i suck. i have turned around 20 laps apiece at both of the available
tracks. my best times are in the 1:50s for monza and 1:20s for watkins
glen. i drive with a T2 and my frame rate is adequate. at the slightest
hint of sliding, i am immediately thrown off the course. i completely
let off of the accelerator and try to counter-steer. too late. i'm
already off in the shrubs. i downloaded a hot replay of a 1:06 at
watkins glen. the driver maintained the power slides through the entire
turns. damn! i can't seem to hold it for more than .1 seconds. i've read
the hints on the different web sites and still have no clue. don't get
me wrong, i'll enjoy being lapped repeatedly by all of you pavement
studs out there, but i would just like to not finish dead frickin' last
every single time out. anybody have any clues or words of wisdom? maybe
even a ripe taunt or two? please tell me that you all sucked at watkins
glen for the first 50 laps.
j
I haven't played GPL yet, but for coutersteering, I have a lot of experience.
Normally to break the back end loose, you smash on the brakes (that is if you
have a good handling car) turn into the turn to start the slide then
countersteer, but be careful not to over steer and turn your self in the wrong
direction. To maintain the slide, turn left and sometimes right to keep from
going straight, repeatedly and fast. I don't know if this will work in GPL,
but for other games it does.
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>please tell me that you all sucked at watkins
>glen for the first 50 laps.
I sucked for quite a lot more than 50, as I recall. ;-)
Hang in there, do lots of laps, practice each corner and hit "shift R" a lot.
It does get easier, and it's really worth it.
Kurt
> i suck. i have turned around 20 laps apiece at both of the available
> tracks. my best times are in the 1:50s for monza and 1:20s for watkins
> glen. i drive with a T2 and my frame rate is adequate. at the slightest
> hint of sliding, i am immediately thrown off the course. i completely
> let off of the accelerator and try to counter-steer. too late. i'm
It takes a lot more than 20 laps to even learn to stay
on the track consistently - so don't be discouraged.
Put in 100 laps and you'll get better.
It sounds like the main problem you are having is with
a phenomenon called "trailing throttle oversteer". TTO
happens when you are turning the car and let completely
off the gas. What happens is this - the idling motor
induces a drag on the rear wheels, which causes them
to break loose and start sliding. To compensate for
TTO, you need to keep the throttle opened up a bit
while turning. The trick is to balance the rpms
of the motor with your speed so that there is no
drag on the rear wheels. It's really cool once you
get the hang of it. By adding a little extra throttle
you can tighten up the car and catch a slide, and
effectively steer the car through a turn by modulating
the throttle.
One other thing I've found - if all else fails and
you are sliding badly, sometimes hitting the brakes
will save it. That works better at WG then at Monza
for me though. Monza seems a lot more slick.
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>please tell me that you all sucked at watkins
>glen for the first 50 laps.
We sucked at Watkins Glen for the first 50 laps.
There, feel better?
Maybe you shouldn't release the gas completely when the rear starts to
slide. You certainly shouldn't touch the brake! Do all the braking before
you turn in. When the rear starts to slide, steer into the slide, and
control the car with the accelerator. I.e. lift off a little, then give it a
bit more when it straightens out etc. It subtle and it takes some practice,
but when you get the feel it's great.
It really helps when you try to master the G3 car first, then the G2.
Good luck,
Leo
My girlfriend has THO....how can she compensate for that?
=)
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>> i suck. i have turned around 20 laps apiece at both of the available >> tracks. my best times are in the 1:50s for monza and 1:20s for watkins >> glen. i drive with a T2 and my frame rate is adequate. at the slightest >> hint of sliding, i am immediately thrown off the course. i completely >> let off of the accelerator and try to counter-steer. too late. i'm >It takes a lot more than 20 laps to even learn to stay >on the track consistently - so don't be discouraged. >Put in 100 laps and you'll get better. >It sounds like the main problem you are having is with >a phenomenon called "trailing throttle oversteer". TTO >happens when you are turning the car and let completely >off the gas. What happens is this - the idling motor >induces a drag on the rear wheels, which causes them >to break loose and start sliding. To compensate for >TTO, you need to keep the throttle opened up a bit >while turning. The trick is to balance the rpms >of the motor with your speed so that there is no >drag on the rear wheels. It's really cool once you >get the hang of it. By adding a little extra throttle >you can tighten up the car and catch a slide, and >effectively steer the car through a turn by modulating >the throttle. >One other thing I've found - if all else fails and >you are sliding badly, sometimes hitting the brakes >will save it. That works better at WG then at Monza >for me though. Monza seems a lot more slick. >-- >------------------------------------------------------ >IMPACT Motorsports >http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html >------------------------------------------------------This is easier to do if you keep one foot on the break and one foot on
the gas at the same time. Works great at Gateway with BGN.
Paul
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Q: What happens when you let of the accelerator?
A: You loose grip on the rear wheels, as weight is transferred towards
the front. Letting of the gas in a corner at high speed is a *big*
mistake, even (especially :) in your grandmother's Volvo.
The trick is to finish the braking/deceleration *before* turning into the
corner, and applying throttle *as soon as possible*. This way, weight is
transferred to the rear wheels (ideally 40% front, 60% rear) and the car
will be perfectly balanced through the corner. If the car starts to
understeer because of the light frontend, you "simply" apply more hrottle
to make the rear slide out a bit.
I think this makes sense. As the rear end has limited/no downforce on
these cars, you don't want to make it even worse by braking and thereby
reducing the traction on the rear wheels.
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> i suck. i have turned around 20 laps apiece at both of the available
> tracks. my best times are in the 1:50s for monza and 1:20s for > watkins
> glen. i drive with a T2 and my frame rate is adequate.
20 laps is just a mere taste, try 200 laps and you will just be
starting to get a feel for GPL? it took me about 20 laps just to keep
the car on the track for one whole lap, and the time? forget it!
I also use a T2, (and sometimes an F1 Sim) and can now manage 1:10 at
the Glen and have managed 1:34 at Monza (both in the lotus GP) which is
not that quick? but fast enough.....
A couple of points, for *all* racing sims, but especially for GPL,
smoothness = speed. You really must try to be as smooth as possible on
the controls, it takes a lot of practice, but will be rewarding
eventually.
When you feel the car start to slide, do *not* immediately lift off the
throttle, as this can actually make the spin worse, the front end drops
as you suddenly slow, the rear wheels become light, and the back end
swap around! Try to lift off the throttle *slightly*, say keep between
25% and 50% throttle, and steer *into* the slide.
When you approach a corner try to be travelling in a *straight* line
while you are braking, brake down to the correct speed, then press the
throttle as (or just before) you steer into the corner, this gives some
grip to the wheels, (which may otherwise have been locked up under
braking, or light as the car is slowing).
When you are actually turning a corner, if the car starts to slide try
to steer with the throttle rather than the wheel, if you increase
throttle the car edges out to the edge of the track, decrease throttle
and the car turns in tighter, try it and see.... (But I cannot
emphasise too much that you must be *SMOOTH*)
You could also try one of the slower cars to learn these techniques
(The GP3 Lotus can *really* be thrown around!) then once you are
reasonably happy, step up to the faster cars, but apply the same
technique, (you just have to be a bit *quicker* with your reflexes with
the faster cars?)
Also try to gradually increase your speeds, on each lap, do *NOT* try
hell for leather for a really quick time, and fly off the track on
every lap. Instead just concentrate on staying on the track for a whole
lap, when you can do that consistently, then try to go just a *bit*
faster.
Say you are lapping consistenly (and keeping the car on the track with
relative ease) at around 1:50, the next lap do *not* try for a 1:34,
instead try for a 1:49, then a 1:48, so you are *gradually* increasing
your times, and gradually improving your skill. Before you know it you
will be in the GPL HQ website top ten at 1:30?
Above all practice, practice, oh? and practice (but be *smooth*....)
8-)
*Peter* 8-)
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Yes. I was once in these shoes and it can be frustrating. You will have to
remember that the demo setups are not that good. Even with them, after
practice, I started to be able to make laps around the track and then some
good power slides into turns started to happen. It just really takes awhile
for you to get the feel of the sim but once you do, you will love it.
Once released, I'm sure there will be good setups out. The beta team has
put out setups for all of us to use which I need help on and they make a
huge differance. I'm now getting down in the low 1:09 range and this is
from a guy that could not make a lap early on. Stick with it.
I'm even getting good at some of the harder tracks now too and find it very
hard to quit playing now.
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Jay. One other trick to get you started which I did.
Always get slowed down with the brake before turning the wheel. Don't go
into a turn, turning the wheel and trying to brake at the same time. Do
this for awhile and before you know it, you will start picking up time,
staying on the track and get the feel of where that edge is.
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> This is easier to do if you keep one foot on the break and one foot on
> the gas at the same time. Works great at Gateway with BGN.
Oh yea! I switched to left foot braking so long ago
I forgot there is another way :) It might be
fun to try driving GPL with one foot - though
probably not very effective. Left foot braking
is probably a requirement to be competitive in
GPL.
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> >It sounds like the main problem you are having is with > >a phenomenon called "trailing throttle oversteer". TTO > >happens when you are turning the car and let completely > >off the gas. What happens is this - the idling motor > >induces a drag on the rear wheels, which causes them > >to break loose and start sliding. To compensate for > >TTO, you need to keep the throttle opened up a bit > >while turning. > -------------------------------------- > To reply by email, please take out the > words REMOVETHIS from my email address>i suck. i have turned around 20 laps apiece at both of the available
>tracks. my best times are in the 1:50s for monza and 1:20s for watkins
>glen. i drive with a T2 and my frame rate is adequate. at the slightest
>hint of sliding, i am immediately thrown off the course. i completely
>let off of the accelerator and try to counter-steer.
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Here's the major mistake. If you were depressing the clutch at the
same moment, it might work. But if you just let go the accelerator,
the engine will brake the rear wheels, which gives an effect identical
to spinning wheels. Try this: ease off the gas pedal just a little bit
and countersteer. The car with its current setup will probably still
spin out, but your chances are slightly better. ;) You can try the
effect of "trailing throttle oversteer" in one of the faster turns on
either track: get off the throttle apruptly, and the car will begin to
oversteer. Apply some more gas, and it will be neutral again. This can
actually be very handy when you're going to wide in one of these
turns.
Do not try to drive like David Mansell (the guy who holds the record
at the Glen). It just doesn't work for us mere mortals. :) Start out
with braking early and downshifting early. I know that isn't a very
cool advice, but it works. It's almost always better to enter a turn
slowly and accelerate afterwards than to careen into it and somehow
manage to keep the car on the tarmac. Even if you don't fly off, the
squealing tires and smoke will eat up all your speed and you will be
slower at the exit of the turn than you would have been, had you
entered the turn in a more modest manner.
I sucked badly for the first 50 laps at Watkins Glen. I'm still far
from being really fast (consistent 1:12s, never came below 1:10), but
I'm getting better. Practice does it.
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i sucked more than 50 laps Im sure ...
I even thought i didnt like that game ... I thought I must buy a wheel to
play this thing
i wasnt able to finish a single lap ...
but now i really love it, i can drive with the keyboard!
1.08.3 at glen and 1.33.2 at monza
guy, keep trying ... its a wonderfull simulator ....
Ayrton McKafre
>You must realise that the people getting 106's at the glen and 130's at monza
>have spent at least 50 hours with this demo. And over 1000 hours in other
>sims, including gp2, nascar2, indycar1 and 2 etc, etc.
>Don't expect to be doing extraordinary times within the first few hours of
>getting a new sim. They require alot of time to become good at, but the road
The above is the best advice that you're going to get.
Dave
DmndDave
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>to that perfect lap or race is well worth it. >Just remmember practice, practice, practice, and then practice some more :) >Ian Lake >/\ 1.06.28 at the glen and 1.30.62 at monza :) /\Quoted text (20 lines)
> >You must realise that the people getting 106's at the glen and 130's at > monza > >have spent at least 50 hours with this demo. And over 1000 hours in other > >sims, including gp2, nascar2, indycar1 and 2 etc, etc. > >Don't expect to be doing extraordinary times within the first few hours of > >getting a new sim. They require alot of time to become good at, but the > road > >to that perfect lap or race is well worth it. > >Just remmember practice, practice, practice, and then practice some more :) > >Ian Lake > >/\ 1.06.28 at the glen and 1.30.62 at monza :) /\ > The above is the best advice that you're going to get. > Dave > DmndDaveI guess it takes a guy with a name like Ayrton to play GPL with a
keyboard...
(I'm neither named Ayrton nor Senna, but my mother's last name is "Silva" as
in "DaSilva," and I guess that must be good for 6 tenths of a second per
lap, what do you think?)
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>i sucked more than 50 laps Im sure ... >I even thought i didnt like that game ... I thought I must buy a wheel to >play this thing >i wasnt able to finish a single lap ... >but now i really love it, i can drive with the keyboard! >1.08.3 at glen and 1.33.2 at monza >guy, keep trying ... its a wonderfull simulator .... >Ayrton McKafre >> i suck. i have turned around 20 laps apiece at both of the available >> tracks. my best times are in the 1:50s for monza and 1:20s for watkins >> glen. i drive with a T2 and my frame rate is adequate. at the slightest >....... >> every single time out. anybody have any clues or words of wisdom? maybe >> even a ripe taunt or two? please tell me that you all sucked at watkins >> glen for the first 50 laps..
Are these beta team setup's useable in the demo and if yes where can
you get these setup's from? I've checked the usual sites but can't
find them. Do you have an address?
Thanks in advance
Steve.P
They are on a beta site and I don't have permission to give that out...or the
setups.
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