GPL, NO!NO!NO!!!!!

Sorry about reposting this, but I'm desperate :) I'd like to point out that I HAVE already done the weird windows 98 stuff to get GPL to work (it didn't run at all until I tried that), my problem is that the sound is STILL garbled. I know theres at least one other person out there with this problem and surely someone has found a way round it? Now for the original post..... * First, the only differences between my system since when it did work and now are win98 and a Diamond MonsterSound. The sounds are garbled, BUT, before you all hastily reply telling me to reduce the number of sound effects, I know about this, I have it down to 3 (as low as it will go) and the sounds still come out garbled. The game is also running REALLY badly (i.e. very choppy framerates) which I believe is related to the sound issue. Can anybody help me with my problem? * btw since this post I tried disabling my sound card from within windows, and the game runs at its proper speed, however my joystick port is on my soundcard, and as I'm sure you all know, trying to drive with the keyboard is an exercise in futility :) PLEASE HELP ME!!! Steve

Make that 2 ..... I also have the same sound problem after I get into the game (sometimes I can't) the sound is Garbled (sounds like a superhyper-drunk bee)..... I have a sound blaster 32, win98 rendition v1000 and voodoo2.....I have tried all of the sound options that I can think of or have heard of and no luck. ANY GOOD help will be welcomed. Andy

Make that four of us, however it does work OK thru the rendition V1000

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> Sorry about reposting this, but I'm desperate :) > I'd like to point out that I HAVE already done the weird windows 98 stuff to > get GPL to work (it didn't run at all until I tried that), my problem is > that the sound is STILL garbled. I know theres at least one other person out > there with this problem and surely someone has found a way round it? > Now for the original post..... > * > First, the only differences between my system since when it did work and now > are _____win98______ <snipped for brevity>........is an exercise in futility > :) > PLEASE HELP ME!!! > Steve

Steve, Not to sound like a broken record, but Win98 sucks. Most IT departments won't upgrade to it or support people on staff that do it themselves. In network circles it is pretty commonly known as a dog. I would just reinstall Win95 OSR2 and get back to playing sims. Is there really any major reason to run 98? Do you use the mutiple monitor option? If not, then quite beating yourself over the head and reinstall. There's my two cents, all the best, Mike -- Michael S. Davis Creative Media-Works Computer/Audio/Video Convergence "from Creative minds spring Creative solutions." http://www.creativemedia-works.com Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org

I am trying to solve the same sound/frame-rate problem. The only similarity I see is that we both are using V1000 with Voodoo2. I wonder if the others with this problem have the same video cards? Could that be the problem/conflict? >Make that 2 ..... I also have the same sound problem after I get into the game >(sometimes I can't) the sound is Garbled (sounds like a superhyper-drunk >bee)..... I have a sound blaster 32, win98 rendition v1000 and voodoo2.....I >have tried all of the sound options that I can think of or have heard of and no >luck. ANY GOOD help will be welcomed. >Andy

That makes 3 of us with same config and problem On 1 Sep 1998 01:37:48 GMT, "Chris Rogers"

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>I am trying to solve the same sound/frame-rate problem. The only similarity >I see is that we both are using V1000 with Voodoo2. I wonder if the others >with this problem have the same video cards? Could that be the >problem/conflict? >>Make that 2 ..... I also have the same sound problem after I get into the >game >>(sometimes I can't) the sound is Garbled (sounds like a superhyper-drunk >>bee)..... I have a sound blaster 32, win98 rendition v1000 and >voodoo2.....I >>have tried all of the sound options that I can think of or have heard of >and no >>luck. ANY GOOD help will be welcomed. >>Andy

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>That makes 3 of us with same config and problem >On 1 Sep 1998 01:37:48 GMT, "Chris Rogers" >>I am trying to solve the same sound/frame-rate problem. The only similarity >>I see is that we both are using V1000 with Voodoo2. I wonder if the others >>with this problem have the same video cards? Could that be the >>problem/conflict?

I think that problem is due to w98/creative labs problems I ahve that problem and my config is Creative voodoo 2 AWE 32 And w98 of course here too the game runs just fine wihout the sound card

WIndows 98 doesn't suck it's made for real computer users people that know what the hell they are doing if you leave it alone it works fine I have it and nothing has gone wrong I know of about 35 people that have it not one problem but you read this newsgroup and people say it sucks it's because you don't know what you are doing and you mess with things anyway and you know who you are. Blayne PS I installed the GPL on WIndows 98 and it worked fine from the begining >> Sorry about reposting this, but I'm desperate :) >> I'd like to point out that I HAVE already done the weird windows 98 stuff to >> get GPL to work (it didn't run at all until I tried that), my problem is >> that the sound is STILL garbled. I know theres at least one other person out >> there with this problem and surely someone has found a way round it? >> Now for the original post..... >> * >> First, the only differences between my system since when it did work and now >> are _____win98______ <snipped for brevity>........is an exercise in futility

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>> :) >> PLEASE HELP ME!!! >> Steve >Steve, > Not to sound like a broken record, but Win98 sucks. Most IT departments >won't upgrade to it or support people on staff that do it themselves. In

network >circles it is pretty commonly known as a dog. I would just reinstall Win95 OSR2 >and get back to playing sims. Is there really any major reason to run 98? Do you >use the mutiple monitor option? If not, then quite beating yourself over the

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>head and reinstall. There's my two cents, all the best, Mike >-- > Michael S. Davis Creative Media-Works > Computer/Audio/Video Convergence > "from Creative minds spring Creative solutions." > http://www.creativemedia-works.com > Member, International Webmasters Association http://iwanet.org

> WIndows 98 doesn't suck it's made for real computer users people that know > what the hell they are doing if you leave it alone it works fine > I have it and nothing has gone wrong I know of about 35 people that have it > not one problem but you read this newsgroup and people say it sucks it's > because you don't know what you are doing and you mess with things anyway > and you know who you are. Does Win98 support puncuation?

The problem I hear about Win98 is that it places you into a hypnotic trance leading you not to buy Macs and not to puncuate sentences...Is this true? ;) > WIndows 98 doesn't suck it's made for real computer users people that know > what the hell they are doing if you leave it alone it works fine > I have it and nothing has gone wrong I know of about 35 people that have it > not one problem but you read this newsgroup and people say it sucks it's > because you don't know what you are doing and you mess with things anyway > and you know who you are. -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

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>Pity that W98 doesn't insert punctuation into sentences, isn't it? >> WIndows 98 doesn't suck it's made for real computer users people that know >.....and a lot more rubbish.

"real" computer users? as opposed to those of us using OSR2.1 for *** and *nix for work? Win98 is nothing more than a glorified plus pack. anyone who thinks that it is the end all-be all of operating systems is either scared shitless of a command line, a l33t w4r3z d00d, or has used nothing other than win98 preinstalled on the prefabricated boxed system their mommy just bought them from best buy. have a wonderful evening -jch

AHAA! I just disproved this one, cos I am using an ET6000, VOODOO1 and a MONSTERSOUND. Completely different config, same problem. Oh well, back to the drawing board :) Good luck everyone Steve >>>I am trying to solve the same sound/frame-rate problem. The only similarity >>>I see is that we both are using V1000 with Voodoo2. I wonder if the others

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>>>with this problem have the same video cards? Could that be the >>>problem/conflict? >I think that problem is due to w98/creative labs problems >I ahve that problem and my config is > Creative voodoo 2 > AWE 32 >And w98 of course >here too the game runs just fine wihout the sound card

> let me say a real computer user is somone that knows what they are doing > when they do it or a person that doesn't know what they are doing and > doesn't do it Eh?...So which is it? Do they or don't they know?...I'm dying to find out. I see you're into punishment. I've always have been curious of how much it costs to build your own computer...I mean, what about keeping the lab clean while splitting the chips, not to mention all that oxide...Does it bother you that Tiawan can build systems cheaper than the cost of a pair of tennis shoes, or do you have a factory in Tiawan? -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

I have an awe64 and was having the same prob. After editing the options.ini file in the gpl/program folder. line max sounds = Change to 0 first and if that works try going to 8. Hope this helps.

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> >That makes 3 of us with same config and problem > >On 1 Sep 1998 01:37:48 GMT, "Chris Rogers" > >>I am trying to solve the same sound/frame-rate problem. The only similarity > >>I see is that we both are using V1000 with Voodoo2. I wonder if the others > >>with this problem have the same video cards? Could that be the > >>problem/conflict? > I think that problem is due to w98/creative labs problems > I ahve that problem and my config is > Creative voodoo 2 > AWE 32 > And w98 of course > here too the game runs just fine wihout the sound card

Pity that W98 doesn't insert punctuation into sentences, isn't it? > WIndows 98 doesn't suck it's made for real computer users people that know .....and a lot more rubbish. -- Regards, Bruce. ----------

oh no that cant be true marc surely can it > The problem I hear about Win98 is that it places you into a hypnotic > trance leading you not to buy Macs and not to puncuate sentences...Is > this true? ;) -- Regards, Bruce. ----------

let me say a real computer user is somone that knows what they are doing when they do it or a person that doesn't know what they are doing and doesn't do it and by the way I have used everthing Microsoft has made since dos 3.0 I'm not scared shitless of a command prompt and I build my own computers I don't buy them. >Pity that W98 doesn't insert punctuation into sentences, isn't it? >> WIndows 98 doesn't suck it's made for real computer users people that know >.....and a lot more rubbish. >-- >Regards, >Bruce. >----------

Ah, but these weren't Taiwanese tennis shoes, right? Remco

Well, instead of building them, Blayne, invest in a keyboard that's fitted with punctuation keys, hey?

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> let me say a real computer user is somone that knows what they are doing > when they do it or a person that doesn't know what they are doing and > doesn't do it > and by the way I have used everthing Microsoft has made since > dos 3.0 I'm not scared shitless of a command prompt and I build my own > computers I don't buy them. > >Pity that W98 doesn't insert punctuation into sentences, isn't it? > >> WIndows 98 doesn't suck it's made for real computer users people that > know > >.....and a lot more rubbish. > >-- > >Regards, > >Bruce. > >----------

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

LOL! Good one Pat. :-P -- Brian Tate BTate80 on TEN Zanzibar in Quake2 (The guy running around with the middle finger up) Assist LA for THOMAS ENTERPRISES HAWAII ACE LEAGUE http://dithots.org

> oh no that cant be true marc surely can it Surely! While Win98-users suffer through punctuation problems, we Win95 blokes is stuck with grammer and speeling bugs. ;) -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

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> Sorry about reposting this, but I'm desperate :) > I'd like to point out that I HAVE already done the weird windows 98 > stuff to > get GPL to work (it didn't run at all until I tried that), my problem > is > that the sound is STILL garbled. I know theres at least one other > person out > there with this problem and surely someone has found a way round it? > Now for the original post..... > * > First, the only differences between my system since when it did work > and now > are win98 and a Diamond MonsterSound. > The sounds are garbled, BUT, before you all hastily reply telling me > to > reduce the number of sound effects, I know about this, I have it down > to 3 > (as low as it will go) and the sounds still come out garbled. The game > is > also running REALLY badly (i.e. very choppy framerates) which I > believe is > related to the sound issue. Can anybody help me with my problem? > * > btw since this post I tried disabling my sound card from within > windows, and > the game runs at its proper speed, however my joystick port is on my > soundcard, and as I'm sure you all know, trying to drive with the > keyboard > is an exercise in futility :) > PLEASE HELP ME!!! > Steve

You should first uninstall it completely from your system.Then you should unzip the gpldemo.exe with winzip to x:\gpl (X stand for your HD!!) After that replace wininet.dll from x:\gpl to x:\gpl\program The next thing to do is to create a x:\gpl\program\controls dir Then make x:\gpl\program otions.ini writeable Now the next thin to do is to start te game from x:\gpl\program\gpl.exe and configure you joystick or wheel,and adjust the other options to your personal wishes after that exit the game.......... don't go driving yet!!! After that edit x:\gpl\program\options.ini go to line 35 and change it into lastRasterizerDLL = rast3dfx.dll (You will get No 3DFX textures if you don't!!) Copy the options.ini to x:\gpl\program\controls and make options.ini read only again Now you can start the game,...and everything works fine under Windows 98!!

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>Well, instead of building them, Blayne, invest in a keyboard that's >fitted with punctuation keys, hey? >> let me say a real computer user is somone that knows what they are doing >> when they do it or a person that doesn't know what they are doing and >> doesn't do it >> and by the way I have used everthing Microsoft has made since >> dos 3.0 I'm not scared shitless of a command prompt and I build my own >> computers I don't buy them. >> >Pity that W98 doesn't insert punctuation into sentences, isn't it? >> >> WIndows 98 doesn't suck it's made for real computer users people that >> know >> >.....and a lot more rubbish. >> >-- >> >Regards, >> >Bruce. >> >----------

It's easy to wear them out playing GP2 you know.. Surely you know that full stops were originally designed for version numbers anyway Bruce. btw Does/Will the finished GPL contain anything other than 3DFX / rendition support. Plays great but the graphics engine is on par with GP2 from where i'm sitting. Bfn -- Mike Wallace (OSR2.1)

This might sound like ignorant superstition, but the few times I had sound problems was when Netscape was running in the background. Exiting GPL, killing Netscape, and then restarting GPL solves the problem *every* time. Problem is, I don't know if simply restarting the game helps clean it up, or if it really is a problem with Netscape. I also had some weirdness when I first installed the demo: the engine sound would disappear, leaving only the tire and wind noise. Very eerie. Again, shutting down and restarting it solved the problem. This hasn't happened recently, though. Michael.

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> Sorry about reposting this, but I'm desperate :) > I'd like to point out that I HAVE already done the weird windows 98 stuff to > get GPL to work (it didn't run at all until I tried that), my problem is > that the sound is STILL garbled. I know theres at least one other person out > there with this problem and surely someone has found a way round it? > Now for the original post..... > * > First, the only differences between my system since when it did work and now > are win98 and a Diamond MonsterSound. > The sounds are garbled, BUT, before you all hastily reply telling me to > reduce the number of sound effects, I know about this, I have it down to 3 > (as low as it will go) and the sounds still come out garbled. The game is > also running REALLY badly (i.e. very choppy framerates) which I believe is > related to the sound issue. Can anybody help me with my problem? > * > btw since this post I tried disabling my sound card from within windows, and > the game runs at its proper speed, however my joystick port is on my > soundcard, and as I'm sure you all know, trying to drive with the keyboard > is an exercise in futility :) > PLEASE HELP ME!!! > Steve

> Not to sound like a broken record, but Win98 sucks. Most IT departments > won't upgrade to it or support people on staff that do it themselves. Not to start a flame war, but you'll have to substantiate that one or desist. A single respectable source, or multiple independent lesser sources will suffice. Where did you hear that "MOST" will not support it? What are their reasons. (Most flies eat s***, too.) Michael.

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> > WIndows 98 doesn't suck it's made for real computer users people that know > > what the hell they are doing if you leave it alone it works fine > > I have it and nothing has gone wrong I know of about 35 people that have it > > not one problem but you read this newsgroup and people say it sucks it's > > because you don't know what you are doing and you mess with things anyway > > and you know who you are. > Does Win98 support puncuation?

Duh! Yes. Does Netscape 3 (Win95) support spell-checkers?

AAAAAAGH! (Orr shud thet bee aaaaaaaaaagh?)

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> > oh no that cant be true marc surely can it > Surely! While Win98-users suffer through punctuation problems, we > Win95 blokes is stuck with grammer and speeling bugs. > ;) > -- > Marc J. Nelson > The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com > * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Personally I like Windows 98 a lot more than 95. The GUI is better and it feels much nicer to use day in, day out. The thing is far from being "shitless of a command line" I've used PC's since MsDos 3 and work with UNIX so I wouldn't say I'm unfamilar with command prompts :) At the end of the day, Win98 is a better version of Windows 95 and other than the price there is little reason why it's not a good thing. That said, if you're happy with Win 95 in any of it's flavours then why bother upgrading? It's horses for courses and to be honest, anyone who starts abusing people for use or otherwise of Win98 needs to grow up. M

Back on topic... The problem is with Win98 (which, incidentally, I am not about to bash). I tried all the tricks on the web, reinstalled DirectX 6, made sure all my other drivers were up to date, screwed around with all the file names everyone told me to*** around with. I was prepared to believe the problem lay with my otherwise more than adequate Turtle Beach PCI sound card...until I installed the demo on the same machine under Win95 (I knew there was some reason I'd retained it in a partition for an optional boot)...and...voila...the GPL demo works beautifully. Win98 doesn't suck, but the demo isn't prepared for it and the easiest way to get around that (until the commercial release) is to simply repartition your harddrive, reinstall Win95, boot up under Win95, and reinstall the game.