Cart/IndycarII vs CPR, which one to buy? Help.

Hi all, Your opinions are needed . I have the original Indycar game from Papyrus (I was actually a alpha/beta tester as well.) Although I may have some bias towards Papyrus,. I'm finally looking for a new sim and want to make an informed choice. My choices are narrowed down to CPR and Cart. It looks like there is better graphics in CPR but the game play/physics seem lacking. (Don't even mention Andretti Racing or that ***game from ABC/IRL <G>). Are there any reviews or comparisons on the web? Are there any new sims on the way that are worth waiting for. (I've waited this long, a few more months won't hurt.) Thanks in advance Dean.

CART Racing aka Indycar Racing 2 by Papyrus

I would say and I think the majority of the r.a.s. community agree that Icr2, now renamed CART Racing, is still a great simulator, and does still have a great _active_ community. If I was on an desert island with the choice between C:PR and Icr2 as my only racing simulator, I would choose CART Racing over the C:PR game ;-) It's IMHO the most friendly-oriented piece of software I ever saw, with great graphics (yes IMHO better in non-rendition than C:PR !), good physics... I don't know why but Im always returning to race and race and race over some "other" racing simulator I have. Heck you can find Cart Racing for around 15$ US now with an incredible book that is shipped with. Im not saying the C:PR is crap. Well it's more like "semi-crap". Too many bad points, but still some good points. Great hotlapping product, and the track editor will make it live longer than expected. Same goes for Icr2 (new tracks on the net). Seriously, I would say go for the 2 of them, but if you only want 1 take Cart Racing (a.k. Icr2) - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

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> Hi all, > Your opinions are needed . I have the original Indycar game from > Papyrus (I was actually a alpha/beta tester as well.) Although I may > have some bias towards Papyrus,. I'm finally looking for a new sim and > want to make an informed choice. My choices are narrowed down to CPR > and Cart. It looks like there is better graphics in CPR but the game > play/physics seem lacking. (Don't even mention Andretti Racing or > that ***game from ABC/IRL <G>). > Are there any reviews or comparisons on the web? Are there any new > sims on the way that are worth waiting for. (I've waited this long, a > few more months won't hurt.) > Thanks in advance > Dean.

I don't have CPR so I can't say anything good or bad about it but a good reason to get Cart Racing is that if you have NASCAR 2 you can ge a track converter and use any of the NASCAR tracks your heart desires. This alone would make it my pick. Paul

I bought ICR2 two years ago and still play the hell out of it. I love the sounds, the physics, and the graphics aren't all bad. Can't wait for CART3 from Papyrus though Russ

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>> Hi all, >> Your opinions are needed . I have the original Indycar game from >> Papyrus (I was actually a alpha/beta tester as well.) Although I may >> have some bias towards Papyrus,. I'm finally looking for a new sim and >> want to make an informed choice. My choices are narrowed down to CPR >> and Cart. It looks like there is better graphics in CPR but the game >> play/physics seem lacking. (Don't even mention Andretti Racing or >> that ***game from ABC/IRL <G>). >> Are there any reviews or comparisons on the web? Are there any new >> sims on the way that are worth waiting for. (I've waited this long, a >> few more months won't hurt.) >> Thanks in advance >> Dean. > I don't have CPR so I can't say anything good or bad about it but a >good reason to get Cart Racing is that if you have NASCAR 2 you can ge a >track converter and use any of the NASCAR tracks your heart desires. >This alone would make it my pick. Paul

Yep, it's still the best all round sim on the planet! Shame on the competitiom!

Byron, > > I bought ICR2 two years ago and still play the hell out of it. I love the > > sounds, the physics, and the graphics aren't all bad. Can't wait for CART3 > > from Papyrus though > Yep, it's still the best all round sim on the planet! Shame on the competitiom! Then you obviously have never driven Grand Prix 2 from Microprose. It is by far the better simulator. Much more realistic AI, physics and the like. Dont get me wrong.. I LOVE CART from Papyrus and have driven it faithfully since the day it was released, but Grand Prix 2 is, technically and aesthetically, a better simulator. CR

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>Byron, >> > I bought ICR2 two years ago and still play the hell out of it. I love >the >> > sounds, the physics, and the graphics aren't all bad. Can't wait for >CART3 >> > from Papyrus though >> Yep, it's still the best all round sim on the planet! Shame on the >competitiom! >Then you obviously have never driven Grand Prix 2 from Microprose. It is >by far the better simulator. Much more realistic AI, physics and the like. > Dont get me wrong.. I LOVE CART from Papyrus and have driven it faithfully >since the day it was released, but Grand Prix 2 is, technically and >aesthetically, a better simulator. >CR

Have a look at the ICR2-3D (the Randition vesrion). It it arguably the best looking racing game "full stop". As far as the handling/car dynamics go ICR2-3D running costantly at 30fps with 40 cars on the track hs much better representation of car dynamics at higher speeds. GP2 is probabbly more accurate at really low speeds though, I spend most of the time in the high speeds :-). The AI is by far better in ICR2... the only sim where I am used to havein the AI cars try and pass me as well as stay next to me while battling for a sequence of 3-5 corners. GP2 offers more detail like wheelspin, locking-up of brakes and curbes which are not to be "spat" on. Though, again (personally) I'm willing to forgo those things for the perefect framerate, most realistic graphics, sense of speed, chalenging AI that actually races you, and very true to life on the limit car dynamics. From a person who's been racing sims sicnce REVS on C64 (how many of you can remember that game :-) Best regards, David Mocnay

As David Mocnay basically says, ICR2 runs (ran) better. I have had GP2 since the day it was released. I could not get to the the computer store quick enough! I had a 486/100 at the time but soon upgraded to a p166 and still found that the Occ would just go too high when I was in traffic (at acceptable fps - 16 say). This relegated it to a hotlapping sim for me. Slow mo does not interest me at all! For some reason it took me till about this time last year to finally get ICR2. My first impression was that it was very easy on the road courses after GP2, but I mainly bought it for the ovals. But whether it be ovals or not, I could race an entire field of cars and maintain 30fps. Once you grow accustomed to this, GP2 is a joke!I have not even thought about GP2 since! ICR2 is easily the most balanced and complete open wheeler sim to date IMO. F1RS would have been except for the off track slowdown and pitiful menu's. And the sound in F1RS is a joke! GP2 is only now FULLY playable now that we have PII400's, 2 years after it's release. Unlike GP2, I will not be rushing out to buy GP3. I will watch here with interest and if Crammond produces a sim like GP2 in the CPU hunger dept then I'll be giving it a big miss! So I say once again, "shame on the competition"!

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> Then you obviously have never driven Grand Prix 2 from Microprose. It is > by far the better simulator. Much more realistic AI, physics and the like. > Dont get me wrong.. I LOVE CART from Papyrus and have driven it faithfully > since the day it was released, but Grand Prix 2 is, technically and > aesthetically, a better simulator. > CR

Cart was made as a result of the split-up of the league (we know that right) but if you like Nascar2 then most (if not all) of the track conversions come from Indy Car 2 (of the indy tracks used anyways) If you want an updated version the Cart is the way to go.

If you want great and accurate physics and good scenery then CPR is the way to go. Of course you need the machine (i have a p2 233 with a voodoo card). It's an excellent hot lap game, but the AI is lacking. Cart by Papyrus is ancient in game history. The graphics (on the enhanced tracks only) are excellent and if you have a Rendition card the sense of speed is awesome. BUT the game was made almost 3 years ago without at least 6 of the current tracks in Champ car racing (California, Motegi, Rio, St. Louis, Houston, new Detroit, new Toronto, new Vancouver) or the new chassis such as Swift and Toyota engines. All in all, CPR is good for setting records on accurate tracks while Cart is a good racer. Hope this helps!! Scott

Thanks to everyone who offered their opinion. I purchased ICR2 for $15. Luckily I have access to an external zip drive at the office so I download all kinds of stuff and loaded up my machine. Awesome. Thank again.