which is better f1rs or gp2 not played as arcade racer

What you will probably find with these people who hate f1rs but like gp2 is that they are keyboard players and in gp2 when you use keyboard you are automatically using the steering help option which makes gp2 very easy and very unrealistic as most of the steering is done by the computer. Now these gp2 keyboard players like to think of themselves as realistic sim lovers which is probably why they hate f1rs since they find it so much harder and this threatens their believe that they are good realistic sim drivers, pretty pathetic really. Gp2 with steering help on(ie keyboard) is almost like driving on rails and makes a great f1 sim more like a complex arcade racer, now as long as those using keyboard realise that, no problem but if they think they can compare sims on a car handling basis based on this experience they are sadly mistaken. No doubt I have hit a sensitive spot here with some of my former comments but I thought it had to be said for those that might be led astray by some gp2 keyboard players. These comments are not an attempt to convince those gp2 players I mentioned as these people have their minds made up and thats fine. Dean

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>What you will probably find with these people who hate f1rs but like gp2 is >that they are keyboard players and in gp2 when you use keyboard you are >automatically using the steering help option which makes gp2 very easy and >very unrealistic as most of the steering is done by the computer. Now these >gp2 keyboard players like to think of themselves as realistic sim lovers >which is probably why they hate f1rs since they find it so much harder and >this threatens their believe that they are good realistic sim drivers, >pretty pathetic really.

You start a statement with "probably" and then end it with a conclusion as "pathetic". Yeah, right. They're both great games, with their pros and cons. It's not a matter which game "is best", it's which game you like most. Matter of taste, actually. <El Snippo> Remco

Dean Shouldn't you be getting ready for school rather than wasting your time in this group? Lawrence

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>What you will probably find with these people who hate f1rs but like gp2 is >that they are keyboard players and in gp2 when you use keyboard you are >automatically using the steering help option which makes gp2 very easy and >very unrealistic as most of the steering is done by the computer. Now these >gp2 keyboard players like to think of themselves as realistic sim lovers >which is probably why they hate f1rs since they find it so much harder and >this threatens their believe that they are good realistic sim drivers, >pretty pathetic really. >Gp2 with steering help on(ie keyboard) is almost like driving on rails and >makes a great f1 sim more like a complex arcade racer, now as long as those >using keyboard realise that, no problem but if they think they can compare >sims on a car handling basis based on this experience they are sadly >mistaken. No doubt I have hit a sensitive spot here with some of my former >comments but I thought it had to be said for those that might be led astray >by some gp2 keyboard players. These comments are not an attempt to convince >those gp2 players I mentioned as these people have their minds made up and >thats fine. >Dean >> What in the hell do any of you punks, putting these sims down, even know >> about driving, i think F1rs is too hard for you guys that hate it, >> you know if any of you had ever driven an open wheeled car , you could >> talk your ***about driving models, >> but since none of you have , then i don't think you have an inclincling >> of knowledge about how these autos would, or should act, and react,

writes The problem is that any driving-sim played on KB is not going to be realistic. I do think that what Crammond has done with steering help on F1GP and GP2 does make playing on KB far more enjoyable though because it allows the car to follow a gentle curve rather than several 'pulses' of sharp steering - as in almost every other sim. If you have to pulse the steering it can lead to 'sudden sharp steering' at an inoppertune moment - making consistent driving almost impossible. My experience of using a wheel is limited - I built my own years ago but it needs fixing. I have little experience of F1RS either but I must say the demo looked good considering it's lack of functionality. I have played GPL Demo with Joystick and I must say it's great to be able to set up the correct steering angle and then use the throttle to steer the car round the corner. If F1RS is like this with a steering wheel I may yet be converted ;-) At present my computer is only a Cx166+ (no 3DFX) so F1RS and GPL are off limits. Roll on Force feedback steering wheels... btw If this doesn't make sense its because I don't have a real driving licence 8-) -- Mike Wallace

Obviously you have spent a lot of time and effort in coming to this conclusion. How silly of us not to have thought of this before? How can we thank you for giving us the benefit of your wonderful powers of observation? What a total Wingnut! Plank! and utter Neanderthal!!!! *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

> You start a statement with "probably" and then end it with a > conclusion as "pathetic". Yeah, right. > They're both great games, with their pros and cons. It's not a matter > which game "is best", it's which game you like most. Matter of taste, > actually. Absolutely, I own both, as well as many other sims, and agree 100%. There is no *best*, it's all subjective. 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)