IS there a GP3??

Okay... what gives? I've read on the r.a.s. that there is going to be a GP3, I've also read here on r.a.s. that GP3's only a "rumor" and has been refuted, suppossedly with quotes from Microprose saying they were NOT making a GP3. OTOH, Microprose has been quoted that they ARE going to make GP3. (??) I've read that "Geoff Crammond" (with a New Mexico email address?) says he is working on GP3, others say he isn't. Is, isn't, will, won't... does anybody truly know???? I guess time will tell, but it would be nice to know if GP3 is genuinely being developed, or simply "rumorware". Andre

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Hi, well, I don't KNOW whether there will be a GP3 or not but let's just apply some logic here.... - Crammond obviously couldn't finish GP2 the way he would have liked, so there's your first reason for GP3 - since GP2, 3D cards have turned the sim world upside down, Crammond MUST feel tempted to write a sim for such a card. - It's been way too quiet. We haven't heard of any other project that Mr Crammond might be working on.... go figure. - Microprose is denying it all.... What a surprise !!! After the desaster with the release date of GP2. I don't expect to hear anything official until a week before the release this time... :-) conclusion: THERE WILL BE A GP3 ! The only question is WHEN !! Cheers ! Cris

> - Microprose is denying it all.... What a surprise !!! After the > desaster with the release date of GP2. I don't expect to hear anything > official until a week before the release this time... :-) Yup, if someone (especially a politician or a software developer) denies something then it must be true! Look at Codies deying there would be a TOCA 2! Paul

As I said before, "It's been done for quite some time now." Me and Alex and Rebecca play every day. I win all the time. Some times Rebecca wins. Al blows! HA HA! He'll never win. You know why? No nerve. He can't brake late, he can't exit early, and he keeps looking at Rebecca's screen and driving into the sand. Hoo boy... sure is fun. -- Geoff Okay... what gives? I've read on the r.a.s. that there is going to be a GP3, I've also read here on r.a.s. that GP3's only a "rumor" and has been refuted, suppossedly with quotes from Microprose saying they were NOT making a GP3. OTOH, Microprose has been quoted that they ARE going to make GP3. (??) I've read that "Geoff Crammond" (with a New Mexico email address?) says he is working on GP3, others say he isn't. Is, isn't, will, won't... does anybody truly know???? I guess time will tell, but it would be nice to know if GP3 is genuinely being developed, or simply "rumorware". Andre

Geoff Crammond wrote and Rebecca play >every day. I win all the time. Some times Rebecca wins. Al blows! HA HA! He'll never win. >You know why? No nerve. He can't brake late, he can't exit early, and he keeps looking at >Rebecca's screen and driving into the sand. Geoff ?? So you stopped having all those orgies in your Multi-million dollar mansion on your private island. So now it's just a threesome with you, Alex and that Rebecca ? The AI blows ? Hmmm... so now your doing some virtual sex ? As I said before, is it a true rumor that on your Cray supercomputer when you race at Gp2 you need to take off the sky at Monaco to get a <100% Occupancy ? ;-) - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

The only _truely_ reliable info that we have is Geoff Crammond confirming GP3 in an interview with the English magazine PC FORMAT. No dates, no details. JoH Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

A _games magazine_ is "truely (sic) reliable" ?!!!!! Surely you jest! >> The only _truely_ reliable info that we have is Geoff Crammond confirming GP3 in > an interview with the English magazine PC FORMAT. No dates, no details. -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

What does "(sic)" mean? I've seen it before. Don't hate me because I'm stupid.

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>A _games magazine_ is "truely (sic) reliable" ?!!!!! >Surely you jest! >>> The only _truely_ reliable info that we have is Geoff Crammond

confirming GP3 in

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>> an interview with the English magazine PC FORMAT. No dates, no details. >-- >Regards, >Bruce. >---------- >The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- >http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

> What does "(sic)" mean? I've seen it before. > Don't hate me because I'm stupid. It's Latin. It means "thus", Paul

You've never seen a Cray, have you, Francois? My Cray runs 67,492 instances of GP2 with all graphics on at Monaco, at less than 34% PO each. F1RS is somewhere near infinity. -- mark "You don't actually see the side of the road, you just *know* were it is... and you calmly slide both your outside wheels right to it. Like the bad mamba jamba that you are." F1RS - http://www.nmia.com/~chaser/car/results.htm Remove us here and there to mail me. As I said before, is it a true rumor that on your Cray supercomputer when you race at Gp2 you need to take off the sky at Monaco to get a <100% Occupancy ? ;-) - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

>You've never seen a Cray, have you, Francois? My Cray runs 67,492 instances of GP2 with >all graphics on at Monaco, at less than 34% PO each. >F1RS is somewhere near infinity. As I said before, is it a true rumor that on your Cray supercomputer when you race at Gp2 you need to take off the sky at Monaco to get a <100% Occupancy ? ;-) Aw... C'mon Mark... didn't you see that smiley under it !!!

There seems to be no or little doubt that that Magazine's in the Uk are convinced that it will exist. One has to wonder two other things though: Are Microprose going to publish it? Seems so, the MD referred to it as an upcoming product in CTW's recent profile on Microprose. Are whoever publishes it, going to get an FIA License? Lets hope so. It seems to be getting harder these days to achieve.... :) Z.

>> What does "(sic)" mean? I've seen it before. >> Don't hate me because I'm stupid. >It's Latin. It means "thus", >Paul Well, it does mean "thus" or "so," but that's only part of its use in Bruce's message. When in parens or brackets, it is used to show that a passage is correctly quoted ... even if the passage contains an obvious error (as in the spelling "truely" in the original message) or something questionable. It's a high-tone way of saying the person being quoted either can't spell or can't think. ;-) Right, Bruce? ;-) Regards, y'all Kurt

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> What does "(sic)" mean? I've seen it before. > Don't hate me because I'm stupid. > >A _games magazine_ is "truely (sic) reliable" ?!!!!! if there is a typo (intentional or not) by the original author, a "sic" means "i put exactly what the author put, even though i know that it is incorrect". j

The literal meaning is "so, thus". It is a Latin word and is often used to show that something has been copied exactly from the original. Its intent is to indicate an error, usually spelling. (In the comment I referred to the word "truely". Its correct spelling is "truly".) I don't hate you and you're not stupid in asking. The only stupid question is the one that remains unasked.

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> What does "(sic)" mean? I've seen it before. > Don't hate me because I'm stupid. > >A _games magazine_ is "truely (sic) reliable" ?!!!!! > >Surely you jest! > >>> The only _truely_ reliable info that we have is Geoff Crammond > confirming GP3 in > >> an interview with the English magazine PC FORMAT. No dates, no details. > >-- > >Regards, > >Bruce. > >---------- > >The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- > >http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

When I read, and when I post... smiley's are included in all messages. I guess I take it for granted that everyone else sees them too. :-) -- mark "You don't actually see the side of the road, you just *know* were it is... and you calmly slide both your outside wheels right to it. Like the bad mamba jamba that you are." F1RS - http://www.nmia.com/~chaser/car/results.htm Remove us here and there to mail me. >You've never seen a Cray, have you, Francois? My Cray runs 67,492 instances of GP2 with >all graphics on at Monaco, at less than 34% PO each. >F1RS is somewhere near infinity. As I said before, is it a true rumor that on your Cray supercomputer when you race at Gp2 you need to take off the sky at Monaco to get a <100% Occupancy ? ;-) Aw... C'mon Mark... didn't you see that smiley under it !!!

You've never seen a Cray, have you, Francois? My Cray runs 67,492 instances of GP2 with all graphics on at Monaco, at less than 34% PO each. To which I say:- ......AND helps to provide the complete TAC air defence data for the North American continent at the same time! -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Not in the slightest. After all, that is what imagination is all about, isn't it folks?! Or have you youngsters lost the use of your imagination because your entertainment is spoon-fed to you? As long as the circuits simulated the shape/elevation of the real circuits then they could be called 'A' through 'Z' for all I care. Same goes for the teams and the drivers names. -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

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> I think that if I were Crammond I would try to publish the game > myself. No time restraints, no marketing gimmicks, and no compromise. > I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he has as bad a taste in his > mouth about how GP2 followed up it's premature release as we do. More > so I would suspect. By looking at the product, I believe he is a man > who rates himself by his successes in life. Part of that success might > be to make sure the next sim does not have the same problems as the > last. I would take great pride in GP2. It really is a masterpiece. > Regardless... > I don't know why an FIA license is important. I don't care about > drivers names or liveries. Would the tracks be authentic without one? > The cars? Would everyone here care if there wasn't an FIA license?

I would care, if I couldn't drive at Spa or Hockenheim. I don't think we could without a FIA license... l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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Er.....??????? Are you smoking crack?

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>Not in the slightest. >After all, that is what imagination is all about, isn't it folks?! Or >have you youngsters lost the use of your imagination because your >entertainment is spoon-fed to you? >As long as the circuits simulated the shape/elevation of the real >circuits then they could be called 'A' through 'Z' for all I care. Same >goes for the teams and the drivers names.

That maybe Bruce, but i think you would have a very hard time convincing any Publisher to go with a game referred to as "Geoff Crammond's GP3". Without an FIA License or at very least an endor***t it will be a very tough sell to get into retail units when you have FIA License games competing for the same space. Z.

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> That maybe Bruce, but i think you would have a very hard time convincing any > Publisher to go with a game referred to as "Geoff Crammond's GP3". > Without an FIA License or at very least an endor***t it will be a very tough > sell to get into retail units when you have FIA License games competing for > the same space. > Z.

I disagree here. GP3 is the game that wouldn't need an FIA license. Microprose say they've sold over 850,000 copies of GP2. That's a huge market to sell to, based on GC's reputation alone. Everyone has made a stack of cash out of GP2 (hopefully Geoff included), and the games market, like Hollywood, will back a winner until he fails. Andy

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>A _games magazine_ is "truely (sic) reliable" ?!!!!! >Surely you jest! >>> The only _truely_ reliable info that we have is Geoff Crammond confirming GP3 in >> an interview with the English magazine PC FORMAT. No dates, no details.

Well Bruce, it would be truely "sick" ;-) to fake an entire _interview_, wouldn't it? Gams press might be unreliable at times, but it's nothing close to the tabloids yet, is it? JoH Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

> but i think you would have a very hard time convincing any > Publisher to go with a game referred to as "Geoff Crammond's GP3". Well, it worked with "Archie McLeans Pool"? 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

In the States, all you'd need to do is call it "Non-Smoking Grand Prix Racing" and every cry baby greenie weenie this side of Durango will buy one whether they know what it is or not. -- mark "You don't actually see the side of the road, you just *know* were it is... and you calmly slide both your outside wheels right to it. Like the bad mamba jamba that you are." F1RS - http://www.nmia.com/~chaser/car/results.htm Remove us here and there to mail me.

The question referred whether *WE* needed the "real" names in order to buy it, not whether it would be commercially viable.

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> That maybe Bruce, but i think you would have a very hard time convincing any > Publisher to go with a game referred to as "Geoff Crammond's GP3". > Without an FIA License or at very least an endor***t it will be a very tough > sell to get into retail units when you have FIA License games competing for > the same space. > Z.

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

> The only stupid question is the one that remains unasked. So which one is that then, Bruce (maybe it's this one)? :-)Paul

: : Well Bruce, it would be truely "sick" ;-) to fake an entire _interview_, : wouldn't it? Gams press might be unreliable at times, but it's nothing close to : the tabloids yet, is it? : Except you are all getting very e***d about one closing line in an interview otherwise devoted to past accomplishments. The last answer from Crammond, which loosely alluded to a possible upcoming product, was extremely wishy-washy and non-committal. GP3 is a non-topic for me until I see it on the shelves. Stephen

Well, it *CAN'T* be that one, Paul...you asked it, didn't you? (And it's not this one either, is it?) :o) > So which one is that then, Bruce (maybe it's this one)? :-)Paul -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

> Except you are all getting very e***d about one closing line > in an interview otherwise devoted to past accomplishments. The > last answer from Crammond, which loosely alluded to a possible > upcoming product, was extremely wishy-washy and non-committal. Have you *actually* read the article? From PC Format Gold (special racing games edition) spring 1998.... "Q: What will Grand Prix 3 be doing to push the boundaries back?" "A: After 3 years F1GP development & 3 years F1GP2 development, I am not about to start from scratch. I will continue to add to and refine the code used in GP2......As for the nature of improvements to the game, you'll just have to wait and see." Possible upcoming product? Wishy washy and non committal? which bit? Seems to me the man is saying he *is* developing GP3, he *is* refining the GP2 code, & he *is* improving the game, and there *will* be a GP3. Fine.....AFAICS GP3 *is* coming, it is just a matter of *when*? 8-) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

So is Jesus (for the second time), so is the second Ice Age, so is the comet that will destroy us all, so is my Tax refund. ;o) > Fine.....AFAICS GP3 *is* coming, it is just a matter of *when*? -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

That's exactly the interview I read. Taken in the context of the rest of the interview, it doesn't say much. It's a very vague, and rather coy, statement. It tells me nothing. : : > Except you are all getting very e***d about one closing line : > in an interview otherwise devoted to past accomplishments. The : > last answer from Crammond, which loosely alluded to a possible : > upcoming product, was extremely wishy-washy and non-committal. : : Have you *actually* read the article? : : From PC Format Gold (special racing games edition) spring 1998.... : : "Q: What will Grand Prix 3 be doing to push the boundaries back?" : : "A: After 3 years F1GP development & 3 years F1GP2 development, I am : not about to start from scratch. I will continue to add to and refine : the code used in GP2......As for the nature of improvements to the : game, you'll just have to wait and see." : : Possible upcoming product? Wishy washy and non committal? which bit? : : Seems to me the man is saying he *is* developing GP3, he *is* refining : the GP2 code, & he *is* improving the game, and there *will* be a GP3. : : > GP3 is a non-topic for me until I see it on the shelves. : : Fine.....AFAICS GP3 *is* coming, it is just a matter of *when*? : : 8-) : : *Peter* 8-) : (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

>I agree. After a few weeks someone would come up with a patch to change >the track and driver names anyway, so why bother paying lots of money >for that licence. And then again, Villeneuve wouldn't let anybody use >his name ... Especially since nobody cares anymore to license a backmarker driving a BAR... ;-P <all cheer JV, the new Damon Hill of F1 !!!!> - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

This seems to be Matti Laitinen's home page - I couldn't find any references here - have you got the right URL? Paul > At http://members.xoom.com/gp3/ there is a full copy of Geoff Crammond's > PC Format interview in which he speaks about GP3. > Good racing to one and all, > Graeme Nash

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|> sell to get into retail units when you have FIA License games competing for |> the same space. |> |> Z. | |I disagree here. GP3 is the game that wouldn't need an FIA license. |Microprose say they've sold over 850,000 copies of GP2. That's a huge |market to sell to, based on GC's reputation alone. Everyone has made a |stack of cash out of GP2 (hopefully Geoff included), and the games |market, like Hollywood, will back a winner until he fails. | |Andy

Even though I have had GP2 for about 10 days, I would buy GP3. Russ