WIN 98, yes, no?

WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? Larry

>WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. >I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. > Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? > Larry Well as much as I like Win98, in all honesty it screwed up LB2 so that I can no longer use the hat switch on my Thrustmaster Stick. If you have a Stick with a Hat Switch and you like to use it in LB2 then be prepared to loose that feature if you upgrade to Win98. I am hoping that Janes will include a fix for this in the LB2 patch (If ever). Good luck. At least other games are not affected AFAIK. Games that do seem to work ok with Win98 that I own and have tested are as follows: LB Gold, FA18 Korea, Jedi Knight, FS98, MOTS, AWIII, Janes FA, Moto Racer, Red Alert & add on's, Quake 2, MTM2, F15, Descent II, Outlaws, Unreal and a few more. The default drivers that Win98 installed for my Monster3D and Viper 330 seem to work ok but AW3 doesn't want to display map text with the Riva drivers. My 3Dfx has no problem with that. Things just keep getting more and more complicated. Oh well, maybe if I get a new USB Joystick, my LB2/Hat Switch problem will disappear. Who knows.

Haha, that depends on who you ask :-) If you do decide to go to Win98... format that drive and install it fresh and clean. Upgrading to Win98 leaves a lot of garbage*** around. I've not had any problems with it, even on NROS, so I'd say go for it. Just do a backup hehe. bill

On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:29:55 -0700, Laurence Lindstrom Well, I had some real problems when I tried installing it over Win95, but after doing a clean install, everything seems peachy. It runs thing fairly well, as long as you dump the active stuff. However, if your 95 is running well, you might just want to stay put. Zero -------------------------------------------------- http://home.earthlink.net/~zeropoint/ Flight links, The Apollo Program, Saitek Files, and more! Just humor me.

>WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. >I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. > Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? > Larry Rule #1 - If you don't need it, don't buy it. Rule #2 - It will always be there when you do need it.

>Rule #1 - If you don't need it, don't buy it. >Rule #2 - It will always be there when you do need it. Rule #3 - If it ain't broke, don't fix it. -- Nos Delete REMOVE from address to reply via email http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/2671/index.html

It seems to work just fine for me. I formatted the hard drive and did a clean install, and I've been running fine for 2 weeks. I got it 'cause I wanted FAT32. I now have a 4.8 gig hd, all as drive "C", and it seems to run the drive a little faster, too. Joe On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:29:55 -0700, Laurence Lindstrom >WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. >I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. > Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? > Larry

You may just want to wait until Microsoft releases their 1st Service Pack (scheduled "sometime later on in the year") as it seems to be a ***shoot if your system is going to like the upgrade or not. If you are not running the OSR2 version of Win '95, then you might want to consider taking your chances as the FAT32 feature will help you free up alot of disk-space. Otherwise, I would probably say to sit tight and wait for that 1st Service Pack to come out before messing with your operating system. However if you just want to throw caution to the wind. Make sure that motherboard manufacturer says that everything is Win'98 friendly (otherwise you will have to do a BIOS update if available) and that all your drivers are kosher as well :-) F1Filter

You're not *really* going to take much notice of what anyone says here, now are you? :o) > WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. > I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. > Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? > Larry -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

ENCORE!!!! > Rule #3 - If it ain't broke, don't fix it. > -- -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

As with any software, don't go with the first release. I'm already hearing a lot bad about Win98. Wait a year untill the patches and updates come out. After all, remember the premier showing Gates hade of Win98. It crashed the computer! Remember, a lot of the experts whom reviewed Win98 sugested that if you have Win95 it would not be much of an advantage to invest in windows98.

>WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. >I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. > Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? My Win95 installation dated back to the beta of the original version, and I'd never done a clean reinstallation. So I desperately needed a clean new OS, and I couldn't see reinstalling the original OSR1. I did a clean install of Win98, and it took me a weekend to get everything sorted out. I couldn't get my Zoom 56kflex internal modem to work (I solved this by shuffling Com ports between the modem and my mouse). Direct3D games kept crashing on my Righteous3D (I solved this by using Orchid's drivers, not the Win98 drivers). And of course I had to reinstall most of my software. Now everything works, including my Saitek X36/PC-Dash controllers. F-15, Longbow 2, iF-16, M1TP2, SM's Gettysburg, CivII, Battlezone, Descent Freespace, and Links98 are the games I've played (or at least tested since re-installing), and they all run fine, as do all of my productivity applications. Win98 is performing much better than my old Win95 installation did. Converting to Fat32 increased my available disk space by about 25%. The OS starts up and shuts down considerably faster. There are a few minor features that are handy, and one major one -- multiple monitor support -- that I wish I could use (but my system has no more IRQ's to devote to another video card). The improvements are generally minor, though, and the performance benefits are as compared to an old Win95 installation on a jalopy of a P200MMX. My family's system -- also a P200MMX, but in a much newer chassis and with Win95 OSR2 installed -- performs just as well (or better), and has most of the same functionality. I will definitely *not* do a Win98 update on that system unless something forces me to. Win98 is not a major upgrade. If you have Win95 OSR1, though, I think it's worthwhile. If you have OSR2, then probably not. I'd recommend a clean install. And plan to spend some time on it. RichC Remove SPAMTRAP from return address when replying.

> You're not *really* going to take much notice of what anyone says here, > now are you? :o) What do you think this is, a troll? : ) I know you're coming from RAS, in the flight sim group, we KNOW how to start a REAL fight. Larry

> >Rule #1 - If you don't need it, don't buy it. > >Rule #2 - It will always be there when you do need it. > Rule #3 - If it ain't broke, don't fix it. A couple of weeks ago I saw Mr. Bill pushing WIN 98. He was standing in front of a list of the four or five best reasons to get WIN 98. One was that WIN 95 has 3000 bugs. WIN 95 was broken when it hit the CD. I guess the question is, how broken is WIN 98? My programs are running in about 20 Solaris and SCO boxes around the world, I've heard of one or two crashes in four years. And these are critical tasks, I would have heard. How many times has your WIN 95 crashed this week? I've lost count. I have OSR2, the new USB version. This isn't THAT big a deal, it's not like I'm betting my business on WIN95. After a fresh recovery from tape, I can run for a day, then one crash, might be F1RS blue screen, or Netscape freeze, and a hard reboot with Scandisk, then it starts to get more frequent. Each crash/hard reboot/Scandisk seems to weaken the flimsy foundation until I can't get through a race or a flight. Then it's time for a recovery from tape. Larry

I want to thank everybody who responded. I don't really have two days to dedicate to getting WIN 98 working, WIN 95 OSR2 is close enough. Maybe you can save me from re-building WIN 95 from scratch. This should go to one of the WIN 95 newsgroups, but we're friends here, so I'll run it by you first. My problem is that I have two SCSI drives as C: and D:. My CD is E:. The WIN 95 partitions for these drives, which are shared with Solaris, are 1 and 2 GIG. C: is my "System" drive, and D: is my "Sim" drive. As you know, 2 GIGs ain't what it used to be, and I'm already removing this sim to add that sim. Solaris likes to have multiple drives working at the same time, so I added a third drive. This is one of those 9 GIG monsters, so I have some spare room for sims. When I try to use this, I thought my CD would be bumped to F:, and my new drive would assume the name E:. No such luck. It just doesn't seem to work. So I'm planning to rebuild WIN 95, from scratch, with the new drive all set up. I wouldn't need to do this if I could re-name my CD "F:". Does anybody know how to do this? Thanks Larry

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>I want to thank everybody who responded. I don't really have >two days to dedicate to getting WIN 98 working, WIN 95 OSR2 is >close enough. > Maybe you can save me from re-building WIN 95 from scratch. >This should go to one of the WIN 95 newsgroups, but we're >friends here, so I'll run it by you first. > My problem is that I have two SCSI drives as C: and D:. My >CD is E:. The WIN 95 partitions for these drives, which are >shared with Solaris, are 1 and 2 GIG. C: is my "System" drive, >and D: is my "Sim" drive. As you know, 2 GIGs ain't what it >used to be, and I'm already removing this sim to add that sim. > Solaris likes to have multiple drives working at the same >time, so I added a third drive. This is one of those 9 GIG >monsters, so I have some spare room for sims. When I try to >use this, I thought my CD would be bumped to F:, and my new >drive would assume the name E:. No such luck. It just >doesn't seem to work. > So I'm planning to rebuild WIN 95, from scratch, with the >new drive all set up. I wouldn't need to do this if I could >re-name my CD "F:". > Does anybody know how to do this? > Thanks > Larry

I guess you can either remove the device from Control Panel and then let Windows find it and assign the proper drive letter to it. Or you can force it in your autoexec.bat and config.sys files which has the advantage in that they're then recognisable for DOS software. This is what I have: In my Autoexec.bat file (this line Windows likes to Rem out) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\mscdex.exe /d:mscd001 /l:j Rem The 'j' is my drive letter And in my Config.sys file: device=c:\teac_cdi.sys /d:mscd001 where teac_cdi.sys is the sys file for my CD ROM This will work. Cheers James ------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. James C. Hallows ==================== Homepage: [link lost in import: /~jchall] Fox Two: [link lost in import: /~jchall/fox2.html] "Fox Two - the ultimate Thrustmaster utility" Fox Two review: [link lost in import] Unable to see my homepage or send me e-mail? There may be a problem with my service provider. Check out: [link lost in import] Or send me E-mail at my college address: -------------------------------------------------------------

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>>WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. >>I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. >> Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? >> Larry >Well as much as I like Win98, in all honesty it screwed up LB2 so that I can >no longer use the hat switch on my Thrustmaster Stick. If you have a Stick >with a Hat Switch and you like to use it in LB2 then be prepared to loose >that feature if you upgrade to Win98. I am hoping that Janes will include a >fix for this in the LB2 patch (If ever). Good luck. At least other games >are not affected AFAIK. >Games that do seem to work ok with Win98 that I own and have tested are as >follows: LB Gold, FA18 Korea, Jedi Knight, FS98, MOTS, AWIII, Janes FA, >Moto Racer, Red Alert & add on's, Quake 2, MTM2, F15, Descent II, Outlaws, >Unreal and a few more. >The default drivers that Win98 installed for my Monster3D and Viper 330 seem >to work ok but AW3 doesn't want to display map text with the Riva drivers. >My 3Dfx has no problem with that. Things just keep getting more and more >complicated. Oh well, maybe if I get a new USB Joystick, my LB2/Hat Switch >problem will disappear. Who knows.

Maybe you'll have to buy a MICRO$OFT USB joystick and a MICROSOFT 3D card? ;-)

I still liked the title of an article i read someplace, probably in PC Magazine, entitle "Some times you just have to Nuke Windows". I was having network problems, odd crashes, missing files, corrupt registry, etc. until i fixed it. How? I formatted my boot drive and reinstalled Win95. SUre, i could have installed WinNT (i probably SHOULD have) but i need the PC for games too. :-) Guess when i upgrade i'll have to get a dual-boot (or maybe get a linux partition going too) system with WInNT 5.0/ Win98.

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>> >Rule #1 - If you don't need it, don't buy it. >> >Rule #2 - It will always be there when you do need it. >> Rule #3 - If it ain't broke, don't fix it. > A couple of weeks ago I saw Mr. Bill pushing WIN 98. >He was standing in front of a list of the four or five >best reasons to get WIN 98. One was that WIN 95 has >3000 bugs. > WIN 95 was broken when it hit the CD. I guess the >question is, how broken is WIN 98? > My programs are running in about 20 Solaris and >SCO boxes around the world, I've heard of one or >two crashes in four years. And these are critical >tasks, I would have heard. > How many times has your WIN 95 crashed this week? >I've lost count. I have OSR2, the new USB version. > This isn't THAT big a deal, it's not like I'm >betting my business on WIN95. After a fresh recovery >from tape, I can run for a day, then one crash, might >be F1RS blue screen, or Netscape freeze, and a hard >reboot with Scandisk, then it starts to get more >frequent. Each crash/hard reboot/Scandisk seems to >weaken the flimsy foundation until I can't get through >a race or a flight. Then it's time for a recovery >from tape. > Larry

Try this: 1) Go to Control Panel 2) System 3) Device Manager (make sure you're viewing devices by type) 4) Highlight your CDROM and choose properties 5) Go to settings 6) Choose F; under Reserved drive letters Perry

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> I want to thank everybody who responded. I don't really have > two days to dedicate to getting WIN 98 working, WIN 95 OSR2 is > close enough. > Maybe you can save me from re-building WIN 95 from scratch. > This should go to one of the WIN 95 newsgroups, but we're > friends here, so I'll run it by you first. > My problem is that I have two SCSI drives as C: and D:. My > CD is E:. The WIN 95 partitions for these drives, which are > shared with Solaris, are 1 and 2 GIG. C: is my "System" drive, > and D: is my "Sim" drive. As you know, 2 GIGs ain't what it > used to be, and I'm already removing this sim to add that sim. > Solaris likes to have multiple drives working at the same > time, so I added a third drive. This is one of those 9 GIG > monsters, so I have some spare room for sims. When I try to > use this, I thought my CD would be bumped to F:, and my new > drive would assume the name E:. No such luck. It just > doesn't seem to work. > So I'm planning to rebuild WIN 95, from scratch, with the > new drive all set up. I wouldn't need to do this if I could > re-name my CD "F:". > Does anybody know how to do this? > Thanks > Larry

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>>WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. >>I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. >> Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? >My Win95 installation dated back to the beta of the original version, >and I'd never done a clean reinstallation. So I desperately needed a >clean new OS, and I couldn't see reinstalling the original OSR1. >I did a clean install of Win98, and it took me a weekend to get >everything sorted out. I couldn't get my Zoom 56kflex internal modem >to work (I solved this by shuffling Com ports between the modem and my >mouse). Direct3D games kept crashing on my Righteous3D (I solved this >by using Orchid's drivers, not the Win98 drivers). And of course I >had to reinstall most of my software. >Now everything works, including my Saitek X36/PC-Dash controllers. >F-15, Longbow 2, iF-16, M1TP2, SM's Gettysburg, CivII, Battlezone, >Descent Freespace, and Links98 are the games I've played (or at least >tested since re-installing), and they all run fine, as do all of my >productivity applications. >Win98 is performing much better than my old Win95 installation did. >Converting to Fat32 increased my available disk space by about 25%. >The OS starts up and shuts down considerably faster. There are a few >minor features that are handy, and one major one -- multiple monitor >support -- that I wish I could use (but my system has no more IRQ's to >devote to another video card). >The improvements are generally minor, though, and the performance >benefits are as compared to an old Win95 installation on a jalopy of a >P200MMX. My family's system -- also a P200MMX, but in a much newer >chassis and with Win95 OSR2 installed -- performs just as well (or >better), and has most of the same functionality. I will definitely >*not* do a Win98 update on that system unless something forces me to. >Win98 is not a major upgrade. If you have Win95 OSR1, though, I think >it's worthwhile. If you have OSR2, then probably not. >I'd recommend a clean install. And plan to spend some time on it. >RichC >Remove SPAMTRAP from return address when replying.

win98,,running fine,,but I would opt to do w/o the FAT32 conversion,,really slows your system down -- ? Michael P. Williams ? <{???}> EMPER..FIDELI ?? "All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us... they can't get away this time." ?? Gen.Lewis B.(Chesty)Puller, USMC -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 5.0 Comment: PGP Key Server 0.9.2 mQBtAzQ5Z/kAAAEDAKf/NxH+Cmjf41XDVL+nMS6SRRJrfW2HGeVeqC5JZRzvRwu8 yTxSgfDT/A1UQ4h4yg6ZUENm7Xybxgb1DJaCchA2//7SBpKC3yw5aakwC3qW2iQF 3Uv9g3jVhhOPJmUnaQAFEbQrTWljaGFlbCBQLiBXaWxsaWFtcyA8bWlrZXB3QG1p bmRzcHJpbmcuY29tPokAdQMFEDQ5g03VhhOPJmUnaQEBp2MC/jLBKRDrDxuhCIDu cNZaINSpe2J7CUTvlsI+S8xtsKU/OKByc6oU7NOc7b2K6Lp0ADUNO5geLHJoqVT4 LQeDHBumFu4jfV0rJJGmY+cDiW1xDPPDnabPeDsT/ND6VsyO2Q== =JnrN -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

Device Manager, Properties for your CDROM, Reserve letter for your CDROM. May have to do it with the new drive disconnected, then reconnect new HD. Works for me. <<SNIP>>

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> >WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. > >I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. > > Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? > > Larry > Well as much as I like Win98, in all honesty it screwed up LB2 so that I can > no longer use the hat switch on my Thrustmaster Stick. If you have a Stick > with a Hat Switch and you like to use it in LB2 then be prepared to loose > that feature if you upgrade to Win98.

< Snip > What stick do you have? My stick's hats are keystrokes, as far as WIN9x knows. Larry

> No.....sorry, I didn't mean to imply any type of fishing at all! > What I meant was that you've most likely made your mind up which way you > are going to move, irregardless of the feedback. Honest Bruce, I'm enough of a propeller head to lean toward WIN 98, after all, I was expecting to rebuild my OS, why not go with the new stuff. Now, probably not. Larry

I went to Win98 (clean install) and my TM F-22 hat works great in LB2 and others. I prefer Win98 over 95.

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>>WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. >>I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. >> Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? >> Larry >Well as much as I like Win98, in all honesty it screwed up LB2 so that I

can >no longer use the hat switch on my Thrustmaster Stick. If you have a Stick >with a Hat Switch and you like to use it in LB2 then be prepared to loose >that feature if you upgrade to Win98. I am hoping that Janes will include a

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>fix for this in the LB2 patch (If ever). Good luck. At least other games >are not affected AFAIK. >Games that do seem to work ok with Win98 that I own and have tested are as >follows: LB Gold, FA18 Korea, Jedi Knight, FS98, MOTS, AWIII, Janes FA, >Moto Racer, Red Alert & add on's, Quake 2, MTM2, F15, Descent II, Outlaws, >Unreal and a few more. >The default drivers that Win98 installed for my Monster3D and Viper 330

seem >to work ok but AW3 doesn't want to display map text with the Riva drivers. >My 3Dfx has no problem with that. Things just keep getting more and more >complicated. Oh well, maybe if I get a new USB Joystick, my LB2/Hat Switch >problem will disappear. Who knows.

I got the win98 upgrade last weekend, and love it! Everything seems to run a bit faster, and one cool feature is that it moves the most used programs to the outer portion of the HD so those programs load faster. hehe i am also about to unistall all Netscape products.... oooooohhh billy boy has a monopoly on my system :) --------------------------- Udie XO -900th- ***y Jaguars ---------------------------

Personally I would wait about 2 or so months until they work all the bugs that haven't been found yet. Also I've been playing with it on the computers at work and find that with 64mb of ram it is a little slow so I'd suggest doubling that so that it won't slow down your games any. At work we are running a 200mhz system. I also don't subscribe to the internet (make you wonder how I'm here, explian it in a bit.), so I won't be able to download any patches that come out and figure that it MS is anything like the canadian Government when it comes to doing things their way, I would have to wait about a month for them to mail me the patch. This is just my opinion, not an attack at MicroSoft or the Canadian government. There are those people who make things happen. There are those people who make things happen. There are those people who wonder what happened? Unknown Tiberius. http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wl770 > WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. > I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. > Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? > Larry

No.....sorry, I didn't mean to imply any type of fishing at all! What I meant was that you've most likely made your mind up which way you are going to move, irregardless of the feedback. > What do you think this is, a troll? : ) > I know you're coming from RAS, in the flight sim group, > we KNOW how to start a REAL fight. > Larry -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

I would suggest you stick with with Win95 simply because I don't believe that there are enough advances to make it worthwhile (just an opinion). Unless you have been having great difficulties with Win95, you probably won't get much benefit. BTW, how do you like F1RS. I haven't heard of Ubisoft and it looks increadible. Can you just give me a quick rundown via email? I'd appreciate it very much (you'll have to take out the spam-prevention text on my return email line). Thank you very much in advance, > WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. > I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. > Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? > Larry -- Corsair The "Jolly Rogers" Past & Present www.interlog.com/~vf84

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>>>Rule #1 - If you don't need it, don't buy it. >>>Rule #2 - It will always be there when you do need it. >>Rule #3 - If it ain't broke, don't fix it. >>-- >Rule #3 subsection (i) : - unless you're an engineer......

Rule #3 sub-subsection : -unless you're a M$ engineer...... (reverse double-negative...get it?)

Fair enough. I go by the old edict "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Win95 might have 3000 bugs but as far as I'm concerned my copy "ain't broke".......at the moment! -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Multiple partitions have been known to have saved several instances of accidently-wiped "C" drives, my friend. And for multiple-boot or menu systems they are invaluable. > What do you do if you have a large drive? e.g over 2gig....Multiple partitions > - what a pain in the arse! -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

There are advantages and disadvantages with each way you do it. These new drives are so large that without FAT32 you have to do so many partitions its ridiculous. My biggest problem with that many partitions is the fact that it really messes with network drive mappings. This wouldn't be a problem on most home PC's, but in a networked environment it can cause alot of headaches. Brett

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>Multiple partitions have been known to have saved several instances of >accidently-wiped "C" drives, my friend. >And for multiple-boot or menu systems they are invaluable. >> What do you do if you have a large drive? e.g over 2gig....Multiple

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>> - what a pain in the arse! >-- >Regards, >Bruce. >---------- >The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- >http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

But you can use FAT32 on Windows 95b or even 95a if you get the drivers! PJ

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> There are advantages and disadvantages with each way you do it. These new > drives are so large that without FAT32 you have to do so many partitions its > ridiculous. My biggest problem with that many partitions is the fact that > it really messes with network drive mappings. This wouldn't be a problem on > most home PC's, but in a networked environment it can cause alot of > headaches. > Brett > >Multiple partitions have been known to have saved several instances of > >accidently-wiped "C" drives, my friend. > >And for multiple-boot or menu systems they are invaluable. > >> What do you do if you have a large drive? e.g over 2gig....Multiple > partitions > >> - what a pain in the arse! > >-- > >Regards, > >Bruce. > >---------- > >The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- > >http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Strongly suggest not upgrading to win98 unless you have the ability to make a full disk image of your system. I say this because I would have loved to just dump it and give it back to the store, but it was too late, the problem was already done. What happened was the they took all my drivers, (nearly every single one) and replaced them with 'newer' microsoft version. Result: dead sound card, dead modem, dead printing, DEAD CD (in the middle of the install it started thinking my CD was drive c:\[something] when it has been F: for several months!!!), what else... anyway, I finally got everything installed again. I find that windows doesn't forget my joystick anymore, (it used to say 'not connected' after coming out of sleep mode, but I always play on a fresh reboot anyway) and that's the big advantage. I really think the beta's of win98 worked soooo much better than the full version. I didn't have any problems with the drivers and whatnot. Generally speaking I find the interface of win 98 much more user friendly, powerful and intuitive, but what a price!

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>I went to Win98 (clean install) and my TM F-22 hat works great in LB2 and >others. I prefer Win98 over 95. >>>WIN 98 has been out for a week. I need to re-build my system. >>>I race with F1RS and fly LB2 and others. >>> Is WIN 98 ready for prime time? Or should I stick with WIN 95? >>> Larry >>Well as much as I like Win98, in all honesty it screwed up LB2 so that I >can >>no longer use the hat switch on my Thrustmaster Stick. If you have a

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>>with a Hat Switch and you like to use it in LB2 then be prepared to loose >>that feature if you upgrade to Win98. I am hoping that Janes will include >a >>fix for this in the LB2 patch (If ever). Good luck. At least other games >>are not affected AFAIK. >>Games that do seem to work ok with Win98 that I own and have tested are as >>follows: LB Gold, FA18 Korea, Jedi Knight, FS98, MOTS, AWIII, Janes FA, >>Moto Racer, Red Alert & add on's, Quake 2, MTM2, F15, Descent II, Outlaws, >>Unreal and a few more. >>The default drivers that Win98 installed for my Monster3D and Viper 330 >seem >>to work ok but AW3 doesn't want to display map text with the Riva drivers. >>My 3Dfx has no problem with that. Things just keep getting more and more >>complicated. Oh well, maybe if I get a new USB Joystick, my LB2/Hat >Switch >>problem will disappear. Who knows.

>Personally I would wait about 2 or so months until they work all the bugs >that haven't been found yet. Also I've been playing with it on the >computers at work and find that with 64mb of ram it is a little slow so >I'd suggest doubling that so that it won't slow down your games any. >At work we are running a 200mhz system. I just installed 98 a few hours ago, and after the nightmare I had that was a 95+IE4 combo I have to say that 98 is a welcome relief. I've put it through its paces and it certainly seems to be much more stable than 95. However, If you're running 95 with no probs I wouldn't recommend upgrading just yet, better to wait and see. I have to agree with you about 98 being slower than 95. On my P200 with 64meg SDRAM it is considerably slower than 95 - "works better and plays better" maybe... but at a cost. stu

Converted to FAT32 yet? If not, do it then see if you still think the same. Jerry Morelock

>Converted to FAT32 yet? If not, do it then see if you still think the same. >Jerry Morelock I thought of this, but when I went to convert to FAT32 Win 98 informed me that my drive was already running in FAT32 - 98 did it for me (without asking) upon installation - how nice... So it ain't that, I quess 98 just doesn't want to run fast on my system, which is fine with me, I see it simply as a trade off for better stability. stu

>when I went to convert to FAT32 Win 98 informed me >that my drive was already running in FAT32 - 98 did it for me (without >asking) upon installation - how nice... Win98 wouldn't convert without asking - as you can't uninstall once it does it. You must have had a recent version of Win95 OSR2 which also included FAT32 Tony

>when I went to convert to FAT32 Win 98 informed me >that my drive was already running in FAT32 - 98 did it for me (without >asking) upon installation - how nice... Win98 would not convert it on installation as you could not then uninstall. You must have had a recent version of Win95 OSR2 which also includes FAT32 Tony

>when I went to convert to FAT32 Win 98 informed me >that my drive was already running in FAT32 - 98 did it for me (without >asking) upon installation - how nice... Win98would not automatically convert on installation, otherwise you could not uninstall and convert back to FAT16. You must have had a recent version of Win95 OSR2 which also includes FAT32. Cheers Tony

>when I went to convert to FAT32 Win 98 informed me >that my drive was already running in FAT32 - 98 did it for me (without >asking) upon installation - how nice... Win98 would not automatically convert from FAT16 to FAT32 - You could not then uninstall Win98 and convert back to FAT 16. You must have a recent version of Win95 OSR2 which also includes FAT32 Cheers Tony

Could you repeat that one more time Tony, I missed your answer the first four times. ;)

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> >when I went to convert to FAT32 Win 98 informed me > >that my drive was already running in FAT32 - 98 did it for me (without > >asking) upon installation - how nice... > Win98 would not automatically convert from FAT16 to FAT32 - You could not > then uninstall Win98 and convert back to FAT 16. > You must have a recent version of Win95 OSR2 which also includes FAT32 > Cheers > Tony

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>Could you repeat that one more time Tony, I missed your answer the >first four times. ;) >> >when I went to convert to FAT32 Win 98 informed me >> >that my drive was already running in FAT32 - 98 did it for me (without >> >asking) upon installation - how nice... >> Win98 would not automatically convert from FAT16 to FAT32 - You could not >> then uninstall Win98 and convert back to FAT 16. >> You must have a recent version of Win95 OSR2 which also includes FAT32 >> Cheers >> Tony

Same here, it only formatted when I told it to. OTOH, personally, Win98 is a resource hog....I had a PII266 w/64MB SDRAM, and Win95 never needed a swap file (it was zero size). Win98 runs a swap, anywhere from 64-128MB. Same system, different (sic) OS. In other words, unless there's something you REALLY need Win98 for, save your $$$. I think MIcro$oft has stock in DRAM fabs or something, I can't believe a simple 'upgrade' to an OS that does the SAME things would need 64MB more memory....pathetic really. I won't even start about the interface changes, this IE-interface is a simple excuse to force the courts into thinking that the OS 'needs' IE in order to run. What a crock of BS. Bill Gates sucks donkey-dick.

>Could you repeat that one more time Tony, I missed your answer the >first four times. ;) Sorry about that - The one problem I have had upgrading to Win 98 was that Outlook Express hung after posting a message. I did't realise the messages has actually got posted until a bit later (after I had re-installed Outlook Express) and there were four messages in a row. Re-installing Outlook Express fixed the problem. Embarassed Tony

My Win 98 experience: 1. It installed nicely on a new machine. The startup floppy will be useful, as it has wonderful generic drivers to run CD-ROMs, etc. 2. Some operations seem a little more intuitive. My T1 installed easily. Ditto my CD-ROM changer and LS-120 floppy. 3. It won't run the GPL demo or ICR2 (sigh). 4. When I tried the instructions to patch GPL I screwed up my system. 5. Win98 had great tools to help me fix 4. I'm sold. Bring on the final version of GPL! I can live without ICR2. bob

Don't numbers 3 and 4 bother you just a little? If those two games won't work, number 1 seems a little suspect as far as nicely goes. I would be more than a little upset.

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> My Win 98 experience: > 1. It installed nicely on a new machine. The startup floppy will be > useful, as it has wonderful generic drivers to run CD-ROMs, etc. > 2. Some operations seem a little more intuitive. My T1 installed > easily. Ditto my CD-ROM changer and LS-120 floppy. > 3. It won't run the GPL demo or ICR2 (sigh). > 4. When I tried the instructions to patch GPL I screwed up my system. > 5. Win98 had great tools to help me fix 4. > I'm sold. Bring on the final version of GPL! I can live > without ICR2. > bob

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> Don't numbers 3 and 4 bother you just a little? If those two games won't > work, number 1 seems a little suspect as far as nicely goes. I would be > more than a little upset. > > My Win 98 experience: > > 1. It installed nicely on a new machine. The startup floppy will be > > useful, as it has wonderful generic drivers to run CD-ROMs, etc. > > 2. Some operations seem a little more intuitive. My T1 installed > > easily. Ditto my CD-ROM changer and LS-120 floppy. > > 3. It won't run the GPL demo or ICR2 (sigh). > > 4. When I tried the instructions to patch GPL I screwed up my system. > > 5. Win98 had great tools to help me fix 4. > > I'm sold. Bring on the final version of GPL! I can live > > without ICR2. > > bob

Win98 has been a minor nightmare for me. However I have finally achieved the same stability that I had with Win95.Had alot of driver problems. Luckily updated drivers were released within days.I have been running my DOS rendition versions of ICR2 , N2 as well as Gp2 without a hitch.Yes GPL is dead but the final version will support Win98. Best of luck

Hi I also had the problem with win98 and gpl not runing, but a mate of mine Sid Chapple helped me with a fix i think he got the info from papyrus page now it runs great so don't despair gpl will run :-))

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>My Win 98 experience: >3. It won't run the GPL demo or ICR2 (sigh). >4. When I tried the instructions to patch GPL I screwed up my system. >5. Win98 had great tools to help me fix 4. > I'm sold. Bring on the final version of GPL! I can live >without ICR2. > bob

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I know that Microsoft have done some stupid things in the past, but it is my honest opinion that 98 is an improvement on 95. Please do not contribute to the public misconception of Bill Gates and Microsoft by untrue claims and personal insults to the above mentioned. Microsoft has the software monopoly (a bad thing) but 98 truly is not the disaster that these clowns claim it to be. I for one now for the first time since DOS 6.22 really enjoy my PC again, because of 98's huge improvement on 95. Please air you views and be objective Bye Albert

Geez, whilst you're at it try looking at a real 32bit OS like NT/Linux/OS2/BeOS and the like. 32bit OS, Win95/98 it ain't. Then you'll understand the real joys of computing. Try running 5 Netscape windows, Photoshop, Word, News browser and the likes at the same time on Win95/98. Your computer will have a hernea. Now try the same on NT or equivelent programs on the other OS's, not the same is it? Piers B. PS I run Quake 2, and ADF with no problems on my system and looking forward to Scream'n Demons and Falcon 4 as well as TAW. With Voodoo 2 F15 also runs on NT.

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> > I for one now for the first time since DOS > >6.22 really enjoy my PC again, because of 98's huge improvement on 95. > >Please air you views and be objective > >Bye Albert > Why is that? Could you give some examples of what the huge > improvements in Win98 are over Win95 are and why they enable you to > enjoy your PC for the first time since DOS 6.22? > Please be objective. > Thanks in advance. > -- > * rrevved at mindspring dot com > * s.p.u.t.u.m. (unit.26) - http://www.sputum.com

For me I think I want Win95 back specifically because I was able to control the drivers a bit easier than Win98....Win98 is built for the beginner and so does some really strange things with driver installation....all in all I really miss Win95 (stability wasnt a problem....) and wish I could go back. But alas I converted the drives to FAT32....the only really cool thing about Win98. My poor wife....I installed Win98 on her computer and she HATES it....crashes all the time when she is writing programs for school. I may end up buying and installing Win NT for her as I think thats the only thing that will end up stable enough for her. Win98 is not it. Actually its too bad that BeOS is so expensive as that might fit the bill for her better...umm. PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Pink Flamingo Pilot... http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

Not agree. It is easier to change drivers in Win98. In Win95 it is very difficult to change drivers, you have to "update existing" driver, you can not (easy) change to -say older driver. In Win98 you can (easy). And the Win98 ("Norway version") don't ask twice about the drivers location. Firebird, -Norway

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>For me I think I want Win95 back specifically because I was able to >control the drivers a bit easier than Win98....Win98 is built for the >beginner and so does some really strange things with driver >installation....all in all I really miss Win95 (stability wasnt a >problem....) and wish I could go back. But alas I converted the drives >to FAT32....the only really cool thing about Win98. >My poor wife....I installed Win98 on her computer and she HATES >it....crashes all the time when she is writing programs for school. I >may end up buying and installing Win NT for her as I think thats the >only thing that will end up stable enough for her. Win98 is not it. >Actually its too bad that BeOS is so expensive as that might fit the >bill for her better...umm. >PAPA DOC >>Why is that? Could you give some examples of what the huge >>improvements in Win98 are over Win95 are and why they enable you to >>enjoy your PC for the first time since DOS 6.22? >>Please be objective. >>Thanks in advance. >>-- >>* rrevved at mindspring dot com >>* s.p.u.t.u.m. (unit.26) - http://www.sputum.com >Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand >Pink Flamingo Pilot... >http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

I know for a fact that if I went to Win98 now then I would have major headaches with the drivers for the Viper330. I'll switch when there are stable drivers for the Viper available. -- Nos Delete REMOVE from address to reply via email http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/2671/index.html

>Geez, whilst you're at it try looking at a real 32bit OS like >NT/Linux/OS2/BeOS and the like. 32bit OS, Win95/98 it ain't. Then you'll >understand the real joys of computing. Try running 5 Netscape windows, >Photoshop, Word, News browser and the likes at the same time on Win95/98. >Your computer will have a hernea. Now try the same on NT or equivelent >programs on the other OS's, not the same is it? I use Win95 on a P233MMX/64MB. Right now I'm using three different instances of Forte Agent newsreader (downloading newsgroups from three different news servers), Exceed FTP (a FTP client with graphical user interface) downloading SIN demo for me, and five MSIE 3.02 windows in different URLs, occasionally glansing them through and loading new pages. Works fine here as I'm writing this message. Oh and there's some other stuff too there, like GetRight FTP utility downloading some games from daves classics. At work I use a P200MMX/64MB with NT4.0, and compared to it this runs fine when I do about the same on it. You probably expect everything to be like in molasses now here, but that isn't the case (compared to that NT box). HOWEVER, the real difference IMHO is that my Win95 machine can crash much more easily, especially when banging the limits like now. It doesn't happen that often, but sometimes anyway, while so far I have managed to crash my NT machine only once to a state where I had to press the reset button (even Ctrl-Alt-Del didn't do anything). Oh and it was Netscape which was able to crash my NT box. :)

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>I use Win95 on a P233MMX/64MB. Right now I'm using three different >instances of Forte Agent newsreader (downloading newsgroups from three >different news servers), Exceed FTP (a FTP client with graphical user >interface) downloading SIN demo for me, and five MSIE 3.02 windows in >different URLs, occasionally glansing them through and loading new >pages. Works fine here as I'm writing this message. Oh and there's >some other stuff too there, like GetRight FTP utility downloading some >games from daves classics.

Oh and how could I forget: of course I was also playing some mp3 with WinAmp in the background. :) That's a resource hog, right?

<bad misfortune snipped> You could buy a third party product like Powerquest's Partition Magic. This would allow you to change to partition to FAT16 without destroying the data. You could then uninstall. Hmm... Did you have Win95 OSR2? You may be ok with FAT32. Best of luck. DarkJedi

> For me I think I want Win95 back specifically because I was able to > control the drivers a bit easier than Win98....Win98 is built for the > beginner and so does some really strange things with driver > installation....all in all I really miss Win95 (stability wasnt a > problem....) and wish I could go back. But alas I converted the drives > to FAT32....the only really cool thing about Win98. Papa, Win95 OSR2 works fine with FAT32... I've already uninstalled 98 and reinstalled 95 with no problems at all. Just be sure you have OSR2 and you'll be fine. Trips

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>> >Microsoft must simply love idiots like you. >> Was this really necessary? Geez, this is why so many people stay away >> from newsgroups.....little kids like this... >What I don't understand is why someone would take the time to post something >so petty, whilst adding absolutely nothing constructive to the thread >themselves. It's all a bit sad really. >Also I fail to see how - from what I posted earlier - one could conclude that >I am so obviously an "idiot". I make my living with my computer (digital >graphic artist), for me it's a very important tool as well as being a great >source of entertainment. I state quite proudly that I'm no 'tech-head', all >that matters to me is that my machine runs in a reasonably stable fashion >(and plays my favourite sims :-)), Win '98 provides that stability where '95 >didn't, period. If that makes me an idiot for handing over the cash for '98 >(which BTW I can write off as a business expense) then so be it, I'm an idiot >- and a satisfied one at that. >stu

I certainly don't think you an idiot. Win98 provides many advantages over Win95, FAT32 for one which was only provided with the OEM-only released Win95b. Of course, WinNT is what Win95 was to Win3.1, how did we ever managed with so many crashes? It makes me sick...

> Geez, whilst you're at it try looking at a real 32bit OS like > NT/Linux/OS2/BeOS and the like. 32bit OS, Win95/98 it ain't. Then you'll > understand the real joys of computing. Try running 5 Netscape windows, > Photoshop, Word, News browser and the likes at the same time on Win95/98. > Your computer will have a hernea. Now try the same on NT or equivelent > programs on the other OS's, not the same is it? Try playing a DirectX game on your "real 32bit OS like NT/Linux/OS2/BeOS and the like" Trips

My brother has WinNT 4.0 and i'm still with Win95. I can't believe how fast 32-bit programs run under NT 4.0 with a 32-bit optimized CPU like the Pentium Pro and Pentium II. Shesh, i can run Quake2 at 800x600 with no 3D acceleration and it runs around 15-20fps. Even with my overclocked P233 to P292 i can't manage more than 6-7fps at that resolution. I will thank the stars when i upgrade in two years...WinNT 5.0 (DX6!!!), Dual CPU support. When you want to increase the performance, just pop in another CPU. No more ripping out motherboards every 12 months. :-)

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>Geez, whilst you're at it try looking at a real 32bit OS like >NT/Linux/OS2/BeOS and the like. 32bit OS, Win95/98 it ain't. Then you'll >understand the real joys of computing. Try running 5 Netscape windows, >Photoshop, Word, News browser and the likes at the same time on Win95/98. >Your computer will have a hernea. Now try the same on NT or equivelent >programs on the other OS's, not the same is it? >Piers B. >PS I run Quake 2, and ADF with no problems on my system and looking forward >to Scream'n Demons and Falcon 4 as well as TAW. With Voodoo 2 F15 also runs >on NT. >> > I for one now for the first time since DOS >> >6.22 really enjoy my PC again, because of 98's huge improvement on 95. >> >Please air you views and be objective >> >Bye Albert >> Why is that? Could you give some examples of what the huge >> improvements in Win98 are over Win95 are and why they enable you to >> enjoy your PC for the first time since DOS 6.22? >> Please be objective. >> Thanks in advance. >> -- >> * rrevved at mindspring dot com >> * s.p.u.t.u.m. (unit.26) - http://www.sputum.com

98 gave me fits when I tried to overrule its driver choices, too. Had much better luck when I decided to just let it go ahead and install whatever the h-- it wanted to, then changed them later. More time consuming that way, but less bothersome. My first attempt at trying to force 98 to take the latest V2 drivers ended up with me having parts of two V2 driver versions and no access to my computer "properties" window. Doncha just love these attempts at "idiot proofing"? 98 has lots of "little things" that make it better than 95, but I wish that MS had just skipped 98 and went directly to the next NT. More money this way, I guess. Jerry Morelock

> >Microsoft must simply love idiots like you. > Was this really necessary? Geez, this is why so many people stay away > from newsgroups.....little kids like this... What I don't understand is why someone would take the time to post something so petty, whilst adding absolutely nothing constructive to the thread themselves. It's all a bit sad really. Also I fail to see how - from what I posted earlier - one could conclude that I am so obviously an "idiot". I make my living with my computer (digital graphic artist), for me it's a very important tool as well as being a great source of entertainment. I state quite proudly that I'm no 'tech-head', all that matters to me is that my machine runs in a reasonably stable fashion (and plays my favourite sims :-)), Win '98 provides that stability where '95 didn't, period. If that makes me an idiot for handing over the cash for '98 (which BTW I can write off as a business expense) then so be it, I'm an idiot - and a satisfied one at that. stu

What I don't understand is why you felt the need to call someone else an idiot. Prozac run out? Why take it to that level? Why does everyone have to agree with you? Remove "DIESPAM" before replying by email

I do, Admitted I use games with native Glide support but I use DirectX5 Beta for NT and I get sound with F22 ADF. I also get to run Quake 2 in normal mode compared to the compatablity mode required normally by NT. There have been other games I have used but these two remain on my harddrive, the rest just come and go. Piers B. PS until NT 5 arrives Direct 3D will not be properly implemented but you can use software Direct 3D if your desperate or maintain a dual boot rig like I do. Any native Glide game goes on NT though cause it dumps all over Win95/98.

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> > Geez, whilst you're at it try looking at a real 32bit OS like > > NT/Linux/OS2/BeOS and the like. 32bit OS, Win95/98 it ain't. Then you'll > > understand the real joys of computing. Try running 5 Netscape windows, > > Photoshop, Word, News browser and the likes at the same time on Win95/98. > > Your computer will have a hernea. Now try the same on NT or equivelent > > programs on the other OS's, not the same is it? > Try playing a DirectX game on your "real 32bit OS like NT/Linux/OS2/BeOS > and the like" > Trips

The OSR2 version of Win95 supported FAT32 as well, go 'back' to that if you don't like Win98. What other improvements have been made since OSR2?? My system almost never crashes, I guess those who have stability problems on theis computers have installed like fifty different mpeg codecs and 5.000 plug-ins for Netscape.. --- Tuffe Wahlstrom installation....all in all I really miss Win95 (stability wasnt a

Well thats a great idea....now if Microsoft will sell me the OSR2 version I will be happy to oblige. I only have the very first wonderful attempt at madness from Microsoft...OSr1 Also my computer routinely has 98% resources free...its not the crashing that bothers me...hell Im used to that with win95....its that dumb idiots way to install drivers that bothers me. Ive even sat in my chair dumbfounded as Windows 98 decided on its own after being shown by me the folder to scoop the newest drivers to switch folders and scoop the older set...then it is so kindly in informing me that it has a better set in folder three.....oooh me....oh my...or worse yet installing a combination of both. The more they make it idiot proof the more difficult it becomes in setting up beyond the average config that Microsoft believes we should have....now of course I and all of the others will find ways around this new way...but its a real pain in the ass. In closing if Win95 OSr1 or 2 is NOT broken on your computer DO NOT INSTALL 98. Oh have I mentioned its significantly slower in some games....just a little sideshow from Uncle Winky. PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Pink Flamingo Pilot... http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

Man, I was starting to think it was me. I've had the same thing happen several times. Hell, I thought I had clicked on something unintentionally. I was beginning to think there was something wrong with me and I was pretty sure it had nothing to do with the *** and crack. :o) Perry

Since this is rec.autos.simulators, I really don't care how many browsers and dweeb-a-thons I can run. Oh, yeah. What racing sims are coming out for Linux? MW running 2 browsers lets me get flamed twice as fast.

Its not you....this new operating system just has to be one of the largest steps backwards a company ever made. Matter of fact if I thought that a significant portion of money was tied up in whether MS Win98 was great I would sell the stock short. Of course I think this is just a plot to force us to buy NT5.0...ummm PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Pink Flamingo Pilot... http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

sat in my This behaviour first happened to me with OSR2 - but you can get around it. When changing drivers go to select a driver from database or list? then choose your older driver from the list that you want to use and show the way to where its driver files are extracted. If you hadn't installed the older driver first before the newer driver you might not be able to do this - If you have the DirectX5 SDKit you can force overwrite all drivers and then you'll be able to reinstall all your drivers old to newest. It is a pain in the arse but better than reformatting. I got a 15% better frame rate with timedemo 0.2 in unreal with high detail textures after installing W98- but only a 5% improvement with low detail textures. Win 98 seems to always creates a virtual swap file even if you have free RAM!! I found setting a maximum vcache limit removed occasional pauses in unreal. Why 98 works so much better with detail textures has something to do with the caching it uses. 15% better with high detail textures on a 8Mb V^2- I love W98 for that. Michael Y

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>>Ive even sat in my >>chair dumbfounded as Windows 98 decided on its own after being shown >>by me the folder to scoop the newest drivers to switch folders and >>scoop the older set...then it is so kindly in informing me that it has >>a better set in folder three.....oooh me....oh my...or worse yet >>installing a combination of both. >Man, I was starting to think it was me. I've had the same thing happen >several times. Hell, I thought I had clicked on something unintentionally. I >was beginning to think there was something wrong with me and I was pretty >sure it had nothing to do with the *** and crack. :o)

It looks like MS thinks that if they installed the driver during set up that it is the best one. But what's the big deal just say your sure and install the other.

BP unfortunetely its not that simple....see even if you point it to the right folder it will act like its gonna do it right and then poof when you select next it goes back to the original folder. Neato. Of course there is a way around this crap....thats to delete the original INF for the driver your installing...fun fun fun...wonder how many people know that trick. PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Pink Flamingo Pilot... http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

One more now. ;) Thanks PD! -- elhajj at mindspring dot com Of

Wow MS sure is amazing....1.5 million copies...well hell that means something. Course there was a little saying I picked here that I kinda like... Something along the lines of "We should eat shit everyday....10billion flies cant be wrong"... And yes there is something wrong with my system it began about 10minutes after installation of Win98....coincidence...ummmm Nahhh. PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Pink Flamingo Pilot... http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

I just realized I better explain myself before something bad happens. 1. You have XYZ Wonder Card 3d Original Drivers installed....now Wonder Card announces a new Driver that promises 4,000% improvement for your 286....oooh my I must have that driver...<VBG> Anyways when you originally installed the driver the inf of that particular driver was stored for reference in as far as I know 2 places. Both of these places reside in your Windows folder (my case Win98 but thats another sad long story...) anywho....one is "config folder" the other is called in a spate of brilliance by Microsoft the " INF folder"...(oh my somebody smart got by the personnel department at MS).... Now Ive found that the only realiable way to insure the correct installation of drivers is for me to first delete both inf files regarding the particular driver...(easy to find since it usually goes by the name of the inf found in your set of new drivers....look inside the package containing the drivers ie exe file zip file or the like)....I delete both these inf files then I go to device manager and select the device and do properties. Select update driver and browse to the folder you have your new set of drivers in.....then select next...and hopefully Uncle Winky's brand new broken OS will find them and correctly install them....fun fun fun.... PAPA DOC PS...btw many people are not understanding that the Voodoo2 reference drivers are attempting to outsmart many by putting variables in different area's...then if you use something like tweakit....(not a good idea btw) it also puts more variables in different areas...now you have effectively lost control of your Voodoo2 card...boy is that fun. Actually it pisses me off tremendously....I couldnt figure out why I had all of a sudden lost control of my Gamma Settings...anyways I will post an article about this tonight under an original header. 3dfx Voodoo 2 has disappointed me with those type of shenanigans...

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>BP unfortunetely its not that simple....see even if you point it to >the right folder it will act like its gonna do it right and then poof >when you select next it goes back to the original folder. Neato. Of >course there is a way around this crap....thats to delete the original >INF for the driver your installing...fun fun fun...wonder how many >people know that trick. >PAPA DOC >>It looks like MS thinks that if they installed the driver during set >>up that it is the best one. But what's the big deal just say your sure >>and install the other. >Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand >Pink Flamingo Pilot... >http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...<G> http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

>BP unfortunetely its not that simple....see even if you point it to >the right folder it will act like its gonna do it right and then poof >when you select next it goes back to the original folder. Neato. Of >course there is a way around this crap....thats to delete the original >INF for the driver your installing...fun fun fun...wonder how many >people know that trick. Hmmm I don't seem to have this problem. It just tells me my current might be better and ask if I'm sure. I say yep and away it goes. course mybe I just never notice it going back , I'll have to check. I always do a select form list then browse to the folder. Is this how you do it ?

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>PAPA DOC >>It looks like MS thinks that if they installed the driver during set >>up that it is the best one. But what's the big deal just say your sure >>and install the other. >Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand >Pink Flamingo Pilot... >http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:43:08 -0700, "elhajj"

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>One more now. ;) Thanks PD! >-- >elhajj at mindspring dot com > Of >>course there is a way around this crap....thats to delete the original >>INF for the driver your installing...fun fun fun...wonder how many >>people know that trick.

I learned that one a long time ago. I think another way is to go into safe mode and then device manager. When in safe mode it shows all devices you have had installed (I believe it is listing the inf files it as.) if you delete the ones you don't really have install it rebuilds the data base.

hehehe...thats why its called a bug and not a feature....<VBG> It happens sometimes and not others and on some puters and not others...of course the user can also be a maniac....ummmmm <VBG> PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...<G> http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm

Wow, sorry to hear you guys had so much trouble. WIN98 installed without a hitch. All-in-all, I like the upgrade. If it's worth the $89 is subjective. I wonder what about your setups that caused so much consternation? I guess we will never know. Do you guys have anything *** in your systems (by *** I mean things that outside the norm for sim junkie add-ons)? Personally, I like IE4 and don't mind the integration at all. I do have Netscape 4x and use it as well. I think Outlook express is a great e-mail/news reader suite. The Windows Update function is a nice touch. I don't seem to have the slow down that some have with the active desktop turned on. I do think adding the active channels to your desktop is junk as well as the channels bar - hogs up way to much desktop space as well as covers up your background. I think what is amazing is that MS has sold something like 1.5 million copies so far. Food for thought. :) -Steve

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>Its not you....this new operating system just has to be one of the >largest steps backwards a company ever made. Matter of fact if I >thought that a significant portion of money was tied up in whether MS >Win98 was great I would sell the stock short. Of course I think this >is just a plot to force us to buy NT5.0...ummm >PAPA DOC >>Man, I was starting to think it was me. I've had the same thing happen >>several times. Hell, I thought I had clicked on something unintentionally.

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>>was beginning to think there was something wrong with me and I was pretty >>sure it had nothing to do with the *** and crack. :o) >>Perry >Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand >Pink Flamingo Pilot... >http://home.earthlink.net/~plegrand/PINKFLAMINGO.htm