A Taste of Nurburgring GPL Style!

I've stumbled across a great little site that includes a map and a few photos of the old (with new alongside) Nurburgring track a'la 1967 and there abouts. What's more you can zoom in on the track SECTION by SECTION and it includes details as to ideal line, bridges, barriers and the incline of the track!! Check it out here: http://cbsgi1.bu.edu/bmw/nurbcgi.html Looking at the track it will be a real challenge to learn the whole 20.832 k's complete with fast sweepers, 's-bends' tight and flat out, treacherous hairpins and more. The new site 'High Gear, Into the Slipstream' ( [link lost in import] claims that the Nurburgring race will last only :) 15 laps!! To compare our little go-kart track at Watkins Glens will feature a 108 lap race. I hope this infomation is of interest to you as we count down the months (come on we know it will be longer than Aug/Sep/Oct) until GPL is finally released! Matt Wilson The Land Down Under Quote of the Decade: "Please Explain!" - Pauline Hanson

*Only* eight laps, Matt??!! :o) You do understand just how long a lap is and how many corners there are each lap? :o) It will, thank God, take a l-o-o-o-ng time to remember every inch of this circuit!

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> I've stumbled across a great little site that includes a map and a few > photos of the old (with new alongside) Nurburgring track a'la 1967 and > there abouts. > Check it out here: http://cbsgi1.bu.edu/bmw/nurbcgi.html > the Nurburgring > race will last only :) 15 laps!!

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

As I practice at Watkins Glen I wonder about how the great GPL drivers (Sandman, Mansell, Jay, etc) do it. Will they memorize every corner and perfect the lines and brake points for every track? Or do they just *know* when to do what it takes to get through the corners... Devon wrote...

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> *Only* eight laps, Matt??!! :o) > You do understand just how long a lap is and how many corners there are > each lap? :o) > It will, thank God, take a l-o-o-o-ng time to remember every inch of > this circuit! > > I've stumbled across a great little site that includes a map and a few > > photos of the old (with new alongside) Nurburgring track a'la 1967 and > > there abouts. > > Check it out here: http://cbsgi1.bu.edu/bmw/nurbcgi.html > > the Nurburgring > > race will last only :) 15 laps!!

I understood from the "high gear" site ( http://www.racingsims.com/ ) that the Nurburgring race would last 15 laps, I think 8 would be too few. (20kms x 8 is only 160 kms but 20kms x 15 is 300kms) I'm just guessing but 15 laps seems to be more like the length of a Grand Prix Race especially in '67. What do you think? I do know how long the track is (refer to original posting), and I agree with you it will take a long time to learn! Apparently I heard somewhere that one of the games' testers took a half hour to complete their first lap. Of course race times will be alot quicker but by the sounds of it we are in for a lot of 'free-practice'! >*Only* eight laps, Matt??!! :o) >You do understand just how long a lap is and how many corners there are >each lap? :o) >It will, thank God, take a l-o-o-o-ng time to remember every inch of >this circuit!

The person that took half an hour to do a lap actually works for Papyrus :-) Regards Glenn Beaumaris ------------------------------------------ "I believe in God-After All Helen Hunt Exists" =================================== The Quote of 1997: "The first thing you notice is her spirit and her talent, then her beauty hits you, and you're like, 'Well, excuse me, but she's gorgeous!' You don't even notice what she's wearing because her aura dominates. That's true style." I understood from the "high gear" site ( http://www.racingsims.com/ ) that the Nurburgring race would last 15 laps, I think 8 would be too few. (20kms x 8 is only 160 kms but 20kms x 15 is 300kms) I'm just guessing but 15 laps seems to be more like the length of a Grand Prix Race especially in '67. What do you think? I do know how long the track is (refer to original posting), and I agree with you it will take a long time to learn! Apparently I heard somewhere that one of the games' testers took a half hour to complete their first lap. Of course race times will be alot quicker but by the sounds of it we are in for a lot of 'free-practice'! >*Only* eight laps, Matt??!! :o) >You do understand just how long a lap is and how many corners there are >each lap? :o) >It will, thank God, take a l-o-o-o-ng time to remember every inch of >this circuit!

The race at Nurburgring was certainly more than 8 laps. I had a feeling that it was 14 laps but I can't validate that at the moment.

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> I understood from the "high gear" site ( http://www.racingsims.com/ ) > that the Nurburgring race would last 15 laps, I think 8 would be too > few. (20kms x 8 is only 160 kms but 20kms x 15 is 300kms) I'm just > guessing but 15 laps seems to be more like the length of a Grand Prix > Race especially in '67. > What do you think? > I do know how long the track is (refer to original posting), and I > agree with you it will take a long time to learn! Apparently I heard > somewhere that one of the games' testers took a half hour to complete > their first lap. Of course race times will be alot quicker but by the > sounds of it we are in for a lot of 'free-practice'!

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

At least we get as much free practice as we want! I wonder how much practice the actual GP drivers got before a race on the 'Ring! And even longer to develope a perfect setup for it! Later, John

Bruce Kennewell wrote You don't remember Bruce ? hmmm.... ;-) The Nurburgring in GPL is 14.2 miles or 22.8 kilometers in lenght. The track has 174 corner. In 1967, the race was held on 15laps around the circuit. - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

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> > Of course race times will be alot quicker but by the = > > sounds of it we are in for a lot of 'free-practice'! > At least we get as much free practice as we want! I wonder how much > practice the actual GP drivers got before a race on the 'Ring! > > >It will, thank God, take a l-o-o-o-ng time to remember every inch = > > of > > >this circuit! > And even longer to develope a perfect setup for it! > Later, > John

In the meantime you can always have a look here: http://cbsgi1.bu.edu/bmw/nurbcgi.html It has a pretty detailed description of the circuit, with the racing line marked, and driving instructions. Whether it's exactly the same now as it was in the 60's, I don't know. Regards, Les

15 laps. See here ; http://www.erinet.com/dclayton/formel1/67d.html

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> The race at Nurburgring was certainly more than 8 laps. > I had a feeling that it was 14 laps but I can't validate that at the > moment. > > I understood from the "high gear" site ( http://www.racingsims.com/ ) > > that the Nurburgring race would last 15 laps, I think 8 would be too > > few. (20kms x 8 is only 160 kms but 20kms x 15 is 300kms) I'm just > > guessing but 15 laps seems to be more like the length of a Grand Prix > > Race especially in '67. > > What do you think? > > I do know how long the track is (refer to original posting), and I > > agree with you it will take a long time to learn! Apparently I heard > > somewhere that one of the games' testers took a half hour to complete > > their first lap. Of course race times will be alot quicker but by the > > sounds of it we are in for a lot of 'free-practice'! > -- > Regards, > Bruce. > ---------- > The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- > http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

No, I don't ***y remember, you silly Canuck!! As we get older we *DO* start to forget things...such as......why am I not wearing any trousers?!! > You don't remember Bruce ? -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Thanks, Byron. Inidentally....you don't live at Byron Bay, do you? If not, you should! :o) (or at Forbes!) > 15 laps. See here ; > http://www.erinet.com/dclayton/formel1/67d.html -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Usually it was practice/qualify on Saturday only. Back then the practice sessions could be timed too, so any time that a car was on the circuit they could effectively be "qualifying". > At least we get as much free practice as we want! I wonder how much > practice the actual GP drivers got before a race on the 'Ring! -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

> No, I don't ***y remember, you silly Canuck!! > As we get older we *DO* start to forget things...such as......why am I > not wearing any trousers?!! Hehe, I can imagine you being asked for directions to the bus terminal, and just beating up the guy... ;^) l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Only joking, Ronnie! ;o) > Hehe, I can imagine you being asked for directions to the bus terminal, > and just beating up the guy... ;^) -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Too many ***y dole bludgers! Maybe I'll go reclaim Byron Bay and Cape Byron one of these days. And Forbes too! Just a std Sydney bloke here! > Thanks, Byron. > Inidentally....you don't live at Byron Bay, do you? > If not, you should! :o) > (or at Forbes!)

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> Only joking, Ronnie! ;o) > > Hehe, I can imagine you being asked for directions to the bus terminal, > > and just beating up the guy... ;^)

Uffff, then it was again a case of missing smilies in your post! ;^P l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Forget where you placed them again, Gromit?! ;) Wallace >......why am I not wearing any trousers?!! -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - The Ultimate Sim Resource http://www.simproject.com/

That pesky-penguin must have been paroled... > Damn techno-trousers! > They've taken themselves for a walk!!!! -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - The Ultimate Sim Resource http://www.simproject.com/

> Usually it was practice/qualify on Saturday only. > Back then the practice sessions could be timed too, so any time that a > car was on the circuit they could effectively be "qualifying". No, practice was definetely on Friday, too. I'm not absolutely sure, but I think they also drove on Thursday (at the Ring). Cheers, -Thorsten Rueter

Roger that info, Thor. I thought only Monaco had Thursday practice/qualifying but that may be now, not back then. > No, practice was definetely on Friday, too. I'm not absolutely sure, > but I think they also drove on Thursday (at the Ring). > Cheers, -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Amazing how he could disguise himself as a chook with something so simple as a *** glove! :o) > That pesky-penguin must have been paroled... -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

>As I practice at Watkins Glen I wonder about how the great GPL drivers >(Sandman, Mansell, Jay, etc) do it. Will they memorize every corner and >perfect the lines and brake points for every track? Or do they just >*know* when to do what it takes to get through the corners... >Devon Well, obviously I cannot speak for drivers long dead, but in racing you have to know the race track by heart, every corner, every bump, every braking point, in order to be smooth and thus fast. It takes me about 20--30 laps to learn a new track like Watkins Glen, and once you've got all the corners figured out I start etching away the tenth's by braking later, taking a slightly different line and so on. Still my best is only a 1:16 in the lotus, and that time sucks. ;-) Uwe -- Spam-proof e-mail: Uwe Schuerkamp <hoover at telemedia . de> http://www.telemedia.de/~hoover ////// Phone: +49-5241-80-10-66 Best of Scottish Folk: http://home.pages.de/~nsg >>> Blue Ribbon Campaign: Support Free Speech on the Internet <<<

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>Amazing how he could disguise himself as a chook with something so >simple as a *** glove! :o) >> That pesky-penguin must have been paroled...

Hehe... "A little bit of Cheeeeeeeese ?" ;) Any news or additional information about the full-lenght movie the creator of Wallace & Gromit is presently doing ? AFAIK it's not W&G but still in clay animation... - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Hi all, I'm not sure, if the old suedschleife was still open in 1967. Certainly 22,8 km was after shortening the Suedschleife to the Suedkehre. Including the Suedschleife, the old Nuerburgring was about 26,?? km. I'm quite sure about that distances, because I lived near the ring and also found the rests of the Suedschleife in 198? - still drivable with motorbike. Now everything gone by the finishing of the new Nuerburgring - puuuuaaaaahhhh!!! Regards Jens BTW: Just trying to install GPL-Demo with Win98 - any idea? always *** after switch to track with horrible noises. Remove "NOSPAM" from my email-address before use

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> Hi all, > I'm not sure, if the old suedschleife was still open in 1967. > Certainly 22,8 km was after shortening the Suedschleife to the > Suedkehre. > Including the Suedschleife, the old Nuerburgring was about 26,?? km. > I'm quite sure about that distances, because I lived near the ring and > also found the rests of the Suedschleife in 198? - still drivable with > motorbike. Now everything gone by the finishing of the new > Nuerburgring - puuuuaaaaahhhh!!!

In '67 the Sudschleife still existed, but it was never shortened to the Sudkehre! The Sudkehre was always a part of the Nordschleife. In fact the Nordschleife and the Sudschleife were not driven as one racetrack. They were handled as two different tracks, also the Sudschleife hasn't seen extensive use. Ok, the Sudkehre was also part of the Sudschleife. This is where both tracks met. Cheers, -Thorsten Rueter

If you can get your hands on a copy of the video "In-Car 956" you can ride along with Derek Bell in a Porsche 956 in (I think) 1981 or 1982 on the Nurburgring long circuit. That'll give you a good idea of the track layout, as well the challenge of learning the damn place!

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>*Only* eight laps, Matt??!! :o) >You do understand just how long a lap is and how many corners there are >each lap? :o) >It will, thank God, take a l-o-o-o-ng time to remember every inch of >this circuit! >> I've stumbled across a great little site that includes a map and a few >> photos of the old (with new alongside) Nurburgring track a'la 1967 and >> there abouts. >> Check it out here: http://cbsgi1.bu.edu/bmw/nurbcgi.html >> the Nurburgring >> race will last only :) 15 laps!! >-- >Regards, >Bruce. >---------- >The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- >http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Sunday night, I watched Speedvision's "Legends of Motorsports" program. That particular episode was about the 1973 season. They had a wicked bit with Jackie Stewart driving a lap of the Nurburgring with an on-board camera, along with him describing it. Whilst they did not show the entire lap, they showed the most exciting parts... WOW!!! He said that at some points, the G's were so strong, it was physically impossible to lift his foot and apply the brake (if need be). He says that if he were to have actually walked around the track, there would have been no way he would ever have driven it again, as well as this great quote: "The faster you complete a lap, the less time you have to think about what you're actually doing." He said he was terrified of that track: safety barriers (armcos) were on the left side of the track at one section, but as he pointed out, the right side of the track is where you're going to go off.. and there's nothing but trees and rocks on that side! I'd never seen any laps of the Nurburgring before, but I'd heard much about it. Now I've seen it.. I still can't believe it! Unbelievable.. Just can't wait till GPL comes out.. I know I'm going to "die" (or should die) many times. doktorB (P.S.) does anyone in England know if Motorsport Magazine with the video "Nine Days in Summer" is still available on the newstand. I want it badly!! If anyone could email me with an answer, I'd greatly appreciate it! >If you can get your hands on a copy of the video "In-Car 956" you can ride >along with Derek Bell in a Porsche 956 in (I think) 1981 or 1982 on the >Nurburgring long circuit. That'll give you a good idea of the track layout, >as well the challenge of learning the damn place!