Can't control car in F1RS!

hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad).....i just can't get the car to stay on the road during turns....it's as if i'm driving on ICE! help! i can see my wheels turning.....but i have to go like 30 mph to stay on the road.......help!!! --

> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad).....i just can't get > the car to stay on the road during turns....it's as if i'm driving on ICE! > help! i can see my wheels turning.....but i have to go like 30 mph to stay on > the road.......help!!! I guess the first thing to do is to make sure you have a problem. There are lots of 30 MPH corners on the Formula One circuit. Name a course, and some corners, so we know exactly what you are talking about. F1RS drives differently than GP2. One of the things some of us like about it is its treatment of "slip angle". F1RS tends to slide before adhesion is lost, GP2 has almost none of this. Tire ware can cause the problem you are talking about. If this is a situation that happens with fresh tires? If it happens after a few laps, go to the garage and look at the tire ware. I'm not familiar with gamepads, is anybody having any luck with one of these? Have you had a chance to try a wheel? If you know someone who owns one, you might ask them to bring it over. You might have a problem, check some simple things. Get the latest drivers for your 3D card, preferably a 3DFX. Get the latest F1RS patch, 1.09. If you are using a Thrustmaster ACM joystick card, make sure you have gone through the "Add New Hardware" stuff to add it. Make sure you have properly calibrated your gamepad for WIN 95. You have come to the right group, we should be able to help. Larry

thanks for the reply! my controller works ok...and i can drive around just fine with it....but for some reason, it appears that the fresh tires on my car just do not grip the road at all.......i slip through every single turn.... someone else posted that F1RS is like racing on banana peels........is this true? is there some setting where i can change that? : I guess the first thing to do is to make sure you have a : problem. There are lots of 30 MPH corners on the Formula One : circuit. Name a course, and some corners, so we know exactly : what you are talking about. : F1RS drives differently than GP2. One of the things some of : us like about it is its treatment of "slip angle". F1RS tends : to slide before adhesion is lost, GP2 has almost none of this. : Tire ware can cause the problem you are talking about. If this : is a situation that happens with fresh tires? If it happens : after a few laps, go to the garage and look at the tire ware. : I'm not familiar with gamepads, is anybody having any luck : with one of these? Have you had a chance to try a wheel? If : you know someone who owns one, you might ask them to bring it : over. : You might have a problem, check some simple things. Get : the latest drivers for your 3D card, preferably a 3DFX. Get : the latest F1RS patch, 1.09. If you are using a Thrustmaster : ACM joystick card, make sure you have gone through the "Add : New Hardware" stuff to add it. Make sure you have properly : calibrated your gamepad for WIN 95. : You have come to the right group, we should be able to : help. : Larry --

Okay, now _read_ his message. -- ICQ # 5905329 >Get rid of the game pad (digital...on/off) anduse an analogue >controller. Even a half-decent joystick will make a great improvement. >> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad)..... snip

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>Okay, now _read_ his message. >>Get rid of the game pad (digital...on/off) anduse an analogue >>controller. Even a half-decent joystick will make a great improvement. >>> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad).....

Hehe ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Bruce... first symptoms of the Alzheimer decease ? You could had done better... ;) - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)

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>>Okay, now _read_ his message. >>>Get rid of the game pad (digital...on/off) anduse an analogue >>>controller. Even a half-decent joystick will make a great improvement. >>>> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad)..... >Hehe >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Bruce... first symptoms of the Alzheimer decease ? >You could had done better...

Why? It was still a gamepad. Analog or not, it probably is the source of the problems. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

The Xterminator has a digital pad and analog pad. He stated he was using the analog pad. -- "Unreal rocks my ass more than any id game, and a few id games put together." -Me "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." -Fargo of PlanetQuake ICQ # 5905329 >I hope you know what Bruce was getting at. A gamepad usually means >that the controls are either full ON or full OFF with no discrete >steps like a joystick or wheel. (This is probably what he meant be >digital.) It is basically the same as using a keyboard...yuck! I >not sure about that particular gamepad but if it's like most gamepads >he's going to have some difficulty making smooth turns to say the >least. >>>Okay, now _read_ his message. >>>>Get rid of the game pad (digital...on/off) anduse an analogue >>>>controller. Even a half-decent joystick will make a great improvement. >>>>> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad)..... >>Hehe >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Bruce... first symptoms of the Alzheimer decease ? >>You could had done better... >>;) >>- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) >>- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) >--Keith (Spatula)

You've never used (or seen) the Xterminator have you? There is an analog AND digital pad, the analog part being like a flat joystick. -- "Unreal rocks my ass more than any id game, and a few id games put together." -Me "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." -Fargo of PlanetQuake ICQ # 5905329 >>>Okay, now _read_ his message. >>>>Get rid of the game pad (digital...on/off) anduse an analogue >>>>controller. Even a half-decent joystick will make a great improvement. >>>>> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad)..... >>Hehe >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Bruce... first symptoms of the Alzheimer decease ? >>You could had done better... >Why? It was still a gamepad. Analog or not, it probably is the >source of the problems. >-- >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >>;) >>- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) >>- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)

Get rid of the game pad (digital...on/off) anduse an analogue controller. Even a half-decent joystick will make a great improvement.

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> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad).....i just can't get > the car to stay on the road during turns....it's as if i'm driving on ICE! > help! i can see my wheels turning.....but i have to go like 30 mph to stay on > the road.......help!!! > --

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

I hope you know what Bruce was getting at. A gamepad usually means that the controls are either full ON or full OFF with no discrete steps like a joystick or wheel. (This is probably what he meant be digital.) It is basically the same as using a keyboard...yuck! I not sure about that particular gamepad but if it's like most gamepads he's going to have some difficulty making smooth turns to say the least.

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>>Okay, now _read_ his message. >>>Get rid of the game pad (digital...on/off) anduse an analogue >>>controller. Even a half-decent joystick will make a great improvement. >>>> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad)..... >Hehe >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Bruce... first symptoms of the Alzheimer decease ? >You could had done better... >;) >- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) >- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)

--Keith (Spatula)

Okay...I used the words "digital" when he stated that he was using an analogue pad. My error. What I should have expanded on was the term "game-pad". Compared even to a joystick the amount of "analogue" motion is far less. I still think that he needs to start with at least a joystick and work from there.

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> Okay, now _read_ his message. > -- > ICQ # 5905329 > >Get rid of the game pad (digital...on/off) anduse an analogue > >controller. Even a half-decent joystick will make a great improvement. > >> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad)..... > snip

-- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Thanks keith....that's what I was alluding to. I was in a hurry when I saw the note and didn't have time to expound any further! > I hope you know what Bruce was getting at. -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

>You've never used (or seen) the Xterminator have you? There is an analog AND >digital pad, the analog part being like a flat joystick. Great! Do you use one with F1RS? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

ALRIGHT!!!! ahem. sorry. yes, i am using an analog controller.....(the gravis has one built in, as has been mentioned). i remember playing indycar racing for countless hours...this is my first re-venture into F1....and the graphics are gorgeous. but i'm concerned that i just can't keep the car on the road....the best way to describe it is.....my car keeps hydroplaning through turns.....help! i REALLY want to start enjoying this game...but right now....oh no! here comes a turn! CRASH! : You've never used (or seen) the Xterminator have you? There is an analog AND : digital pad, the analog part being like a flat joystick. : -- : "Unreal rocks my ass more than any id game, and a few id games put : together." : -Me : "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." : -Fargo of PlanetQuake : ICQ # 5905329 : >>>Okay, now _read_ his message. : >> : >>>>Get rid of the game pad (digital...on/off) anduse an analogue : >>>>controller. Even a half-decent joystick will make a great improvement. : >>>> : >>>>> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad)..... : >> : >> : >>Hehe : >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : >> : >>Bruce... first symptoms of the Alzheimer decease ? : >> : >>You could had done better... : > : >Why? It was still a gamepad. Analog or not, it probably is the : >source of the problems. : > : > : >-- : >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. : > : > : >> : >>;) : >> : >> : >>- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) : >>- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) : >> : >> : >> : > : > --

% ALRIGHT!!!! % ahem. sorry. yes, i am using an analog controller.....(the gravis has one % built in, as has been mentioned). % i remember playing indycar racing for countless hours...this is my first % re-venture into F1....and the graphics are gorgeous. % but i'm concerned that i just can't keep the car on the road....the best way % to describe it is.....my car keeps hydroplaning through turns.....help! % i REALLY want to start enjoying this game...but right now....oh no! here % comes a turn! CRASH! F1RS does seem to have alot of oversteer built into the default setups. If you haven't already done so, go to http://www.f1racingsim.com and try some of the setups there and see if they help. If they do, work on modifying the setups to your driving style. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

W> hm....using a gravis xterminator (analog control gamepad).....i just W> can't get the car to stay on the road during turns....it's as if i'm W> driving on ICE! Try to get rid of those gamepads. IMHO a gamepad is the worst solution for driving a F1-car !! Exchange it with a joystick or - even better - a wheel such as the F1 or T2 from Thrustmaster and feel REALLY great ;-) Also, man mailt sich... .\\atze [ FmMW2109 - FmMB2139 ] *home* : http://www.home4u.de/buesing/

I hate sims. I'm saying that having the Xtermniator is as good as a joystick, which you said he should try. You don't press the analog part, you push it around. -- "Unreal rocks my ass more than any id game, and a few id games put together." -Me "The enemy AI in Quake II fights the way old people have sex." -Fargo of PlanetQuake ICQ # 5905329 >Great! Do you use one with F1RS? >-- >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

> I hate sims. I'm saying that having the Xtermniator is as good as a > joystick, which you said he should try. You don't press the analog part, you > push it around. An opinion on control devices coming from a self professed hater of sims is meaningless. Perhaps you might actually like sims if you tried them with proper controls. Trips