Future (historical) sims with GPL engine?

Beyond GPL, we know there will be N3, and we hope there will be ICR3/CART2 by Papyrus. But what else is to follow? What *I*'d really love to see is: a) a GT of the 60's sim, featuring Ford GT40s, Ferrari GTOs and Shelby Cobras, and, maybe even more fun, b) a touring cars of the 60's sim, where Lotus Cortinas could race Mini Coopers and Ford Galaxies. Just think of that! :) Would anybody else be interested in seing those sims become a reality? Or are there other suggestions? -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. Uni des Saarlands \ and U.S. law. You have been warned.

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>Beyond GPL, we know there will be N3, and we hope there will be >ICR3/CART2 by Papyrus. But what else is to follow? >What *I*'d really love to see is: >a) a GT of the 60's sim, featuring Ford GT40s, Ferrari GTOs and Shelby >Cobras, >and, maybe even more fun, >b) a touring cars of the 60's sim, where Lotus Cortinas could race >Mini Coopers and Ford Galaxies. Just think of that! :) >Would anybody else be interested in seing those sims become a reality? >Or are there other suggestions?

Sure do I would love to see a simulation of the early 70's Australian Touring car Races at Mt. Panarama Bathurst. The fields consisted of 351ci Ford Falcon GTHO V8's verses The 6 cylinder General Motors Holden Torana XU1 , with a few Chrysler Chargers thrown in for good measure. The races lasted over 6 hours and the 2 totally different makes of cars shared the honours over the years. The battle between the Monster Fords and the light nimble XU1 has become folk law among the die-hard Australian race fans, while the cars have become the most sort after precious metal in the country. Todd.

> b) a touring cars of the 60's sim, where Lotus Cortinas could race > Mini Coopers and Ford Galaxies. Just think of that! :) Mini Coopers! Yum, would love to go screaming (literally) round corners on 3 wheels :-) -- Ian Rae, Motorola GSM Products Division, | Tel: +44 1793 565159 16 Euro Way, Blagrove, Swindon, England, SN5 8YQ.| Fax: +44 1793 541228

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>Beyond GPL, we know there will be N3, and we hope there will be >ICR3/CART2 by Papyrus. But what else is to follow? >What *I*'d really love to see is: >a) a GT of the 60's sim, featuring Ford GT40s, Ferrari GTOs and Shelby >Cobras,

Don't forget the Chaparrals!!!!! Since one of the features of GPL is a road car to drive the course and learn it, I wonder how long it will take before we are using the saloon/touring sedans to race offline???

I may be getting ahead of myself here, but when the T/A sim is released later this year(?), perhaps we'll be able to play with the car models and physics. Considering the sim will feature several different bodies (with their own characteristics), we could have a hellava' good time creating "add-ons." Of course, editors based on the new GPL-format 3do's would be mucho cool too! =) Cheers! Marc

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> Beyond GPL, we know there will be N3, and we hope there will be > ICR3/CART2 by Papyrus. But what else is to follow? > What *I*'d really love to see is: > a) a GT of the 60's sim, featuring Ford GT40s, Ferrari GTOs and Shelby > Cobras, > and, maybe even more fun, > b) a touring cars of the 60's sim, where Lotus Cortinas could race > Mini Coopers and Ford Galaxies. Just think of that! :) > Would anybody else be interested in seing those sims become a reality? > Or are there other suggestions? > -- > Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. > Uni des Saarlands \ and U.S. law. You have been warned.

-- Marc J. Nelson Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com <remove '_*_' before replying>

I would sure love to race a 1970 Porsche 917 (with Gulf t***, of course) around Spa or Le Mans. Soren Sarstrup

that would be very interesting flying around a corner three wheeling in a Mini

> Since one of the features of GPL is a road car to drive the course and >learn it, I wonder how long it will take before we are using the >saloon/touring sedans to race offline??? I belive that feature/option has been scrapped and will not be in GPL. I could be wrong tho... -- Best, Edwin Solheim ed_ on NROS The Paddock - a legendary site..: http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock Cheek Junior Team: http://home.sol.no/~solhmrek

>Beyond GPL, we know there will be N3, and we hope there will be >ICR3/CART2 by Papyrus. But what else is to follow? I can only think of 1 thing.... CAN-AM !!!! Now *that* would be awsome!! -- Best, Edwin Solheim ed_ on NROS The Paddock - a legendary site..: http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock Cheek Junior Team: http://home.sol.no/~solhmrek

Finally people who think like I do! No thrill in driving a multi-million italian sportscar, more fun can be found from rather conventional pieces. I've been hoping for a long time that some company would make a new version of California Dreams's ancient "Street Rod". Now there's a game with idea! All it needs is a 3d city where to roam, and more tuning options.

^^^ a "teaching assistant" sim? Seriously, what does T/A stand for? Not to put any pressure on you or the other TSP folks, but the people who managed to morph an Indycar into an 80's GT surely could do wonders with GPL. :) BTW, when will the ICR2 carsets be available again? It says "soon" on the page, but what does that mean exactly? Nice new layout, btw. -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. Uni des Saarlands \ and U.S. law. You have been warned.

>> b) a touring cars of the 60's sim, where Lotus Cortinas could race >> Mini Coopers and Ford Galaxies. Just think of that! :) >Mini Coopers! Yum, would love to go screaming (literally) round >corners on 3 wheels :-) There is a historical documentary series on on DSF (German sports TV channel) where they show a lot of original footage from different racing series of the 50s and 60s. The Coopers are spectacular, but the Cortinas even more so, lifting the inner *front* wheel in corners. Scary. :) -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. Uni des Saarlands \ and U.S. law. You have been warned.

> Seriously, what does T/A stand for? Trans Am...at least I'm assuming it'll be a "sim." TSP (and company) have come along way in developing new shapes, more so than many realize. I've posted the .3do file that the WSC cars will be based on, and you can download it at the following: ftp://ftp.simproject.com/files/wsc.zip Keep in mind that this is a preliminary shape, and that the values for the panels aren't in yet (in other words, if you load it into the sim, it'll be invisible). You can, however, view the body using Marcelo's 3do Editor (available at the TSP site), and if you care to, convert the 3do into 3dv format for viewing in GLView. You can even go so far as converting the 3dv model into raw format, and then reopen it in GLView...the car will have color applied, and it'll be easier to understand where I'm going with the shape. Let me know what you guys think, as no one else has seen it yet. The WSC shape on the FTP site is made up of all-new vertices, rather than simply "moving and adjusting" the vertices from another car (stuff learned from working on the CART set). =) Without giving away the whole ball-o-wax, the cars will be nearly 100% new (except for the tires), and you'll be able to paint every visible part on the car - including the dash! Because of the size of the finished files, those with low-end computers may have a tough time running the sim with the set (if at all)...i.e: 486. Been very busy...You can still access the carsets (for now) using the ftp address above. Between work and family, it's been tough to squeeze any free time, but I hope to have the CART set (beta) ready in a week or so, and a full-painted version released July 4th. ...and thanks for the comments on the new site format. =) Cheers! Marc -- (please remove '_*_' when replying) Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

I think if the TSP-WSC cars are converted over to N2, that a suitable Can Am "feel" could be possible. =) Cheers! Marc

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> >Beyond GPL, we know there will be N3, and we hope there will be > >ICR3/CART2 by Papyrus. But what else is to follow? > I can only think of 1 thing.... CAN-AM !!!! > Now *that* would be awsome!! > -- > Best, > Edwin Solheim > ed_ on NROS > The Paddock - a legendary site..: http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock > Cheek Junior Team: http://home.sol.no/~solhmrek

-- (please remove '_*_' when replying) Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

: : >> : >> b) a touring cars of the 60's sim, where Lotus Cortinas could race : >> Mini Coopers and Ford Galaxies. Just think of that! :) : > : >Mini Coopers! Yum, would love to go screaming (literally) round : >corners on 3 wheels :-) : : There is a historical documentary series on on DSF (German sports TV : channel) where they show a lot of original footage from different : racing series of the 50s and 60s. The Coopers are spectacular, but the : Cortinas even more so, lifting the inner *front* wheel in corners. : Scary. :) This is normal. Cars with lots of rear roll stiffness, like a Golf GTI or other sporty FWD, will lift their inside rear wheel. Cars with lots of front roll stiffness, a good example being racing 911s, lift their inside front wheel. playing with the roll stiffness at the ends of the car gives you a lot of play with the handling behaviour of the car. For autocrossing, I dialed in tons of rear stiffness to my old Scirocco. Took away all the FWD understeer, and even gave me lots of traling throttle oversteer to play with. To follow up on the thread, one of the joys of the GT game for the PSX is the run of the mill bargain racers to be found in the used car section. For the first five hours of playing, I ignored all the supercars and progressively dialed in the handling of an old Corolla (a nostalgic flirt with my first autocrosser) Stephen

>I think if the TSP-WSC cars are converted over to N2, that a suitable >Can Am "feel" could be possible. =) Oh no Marc!! <G!> I'm talking about the *real* thing here.... you know.. the Chapparals, McLaren M8B's, the UOP Shadows and last but not least the all conquring Porsche 907's and 917's. You know.... plenty of grunt from roaring V8's and turbo-powered Porsches.... and *almost* no grip at all... like I said.... - the *real* thing!! -- Best, Edwin Solheim ed_ on NROS The Paddock - a legendary site..: http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock Cheek Junior Team: http://home.sol.no/~solhmrek

One suggestion. Can-Am! Alan

> >I think if the TSP-WSC cars are converted over to N2, that a suitable > >Can Am "feel" could be possible. =) > Oh no Marc!! <G!> Why, yes! ;) Sounds like a perfect recepie for Can Am ala N2! BTW, check out a few of the links I placed on TSP, namely some of the ones listed under favorites. You'll find some great historical data on all forms of sportscar racing. =) Cheers! Marc -- (please remove '_*_' when replying) Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

I'd prefer the 2 door Falcons Vs the Torana A9X hatchbacks myself!

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> Sure do I would love to see a simulation of the early 70's Australian > Touring car Races at Mt. Panarama Bathurst. > The fields consisted of 351ci Ford Falcon GTHO V8's verses The 6 cylinder > General Motors Holden Torana XU1 , with a few Chrysler Chargers thrown in > for good measure. The races lasted over 6 hours and the 2 totally different > makes of cars shared the honours over the years. > The battle between the Monster Fords and the light nimble XU1 has become > folk law among the die-hard Australian race fans, while the cars have become > the most sort after precious metal in the country. > Todd.

They would have to program an unreal level of speed into the Fords to be able to keep pace with the GMH machines. Oh for a good A9X or L34.... > I'd prefer the 2 door Falcons Vs the Torana A9X hatchbacks myself! > > Sure do I would love to see a simulation of the early 70's Australian > > Touring car Races at Mt. Panarama Bathurst. > > The fields consisted of 351ci Ford Falcon GTHO V8's verses The 6 cylinder > > General Motors Holden Torana XU1 , with a few Chrysler Chargers thrown in > > for good measure. The races lasted over 6 hours and the 2 totally different > > makes of cars shared the honours over the years. > > The battle between the Monster Fords and the light nimble XU1 has become > > folk law among the die-hard Australian race fans, while the cars have become > > the most sort after precious metal in the country. > > Todd.

On Tue, 26 May 1998 23:46:23 +0200, "S?ren Sarstrup"

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>>a) a GT of the 60's sim, featuring Ford GT40s, Ferrari GTOs and Shelby >>Cobras, >>and, maybe even more fun, >>b) a touring cars of the 60's sim, where Lotus Cortinas could race >>Mini Coopers and Ford Galaxies. Just think of that! :) >>Would anybody else be interested in seing those sims become a reality? >>Or are there other suggestions? >I would sure love to race a 1970 Porsche 917 (with Gulf t***, of course) >around Spa or Le Mans. >Soren Sarstrup

Times are changing. More and more software companies are going to be entering the auto sim market. And in doing so,will have to offer new products ei. different types of racing,different eras,and different cars. Sooner or later,all of our favorite types of racing and eras will be offered. Last year if anyone told me that the golden years of trans am racing;1968-72 would be released in a state of the art sim, I would have thought them crazy. Joel Willstein #20 Castrol Ford ICQ11070911