F1RS brake on/off type :-(

I'm using Thrustmaster GP1 wheel and CH Pro pedals. My problem with F1RS is that the brake pedal works more or less on an 'on/off' basis. When I'm pressing it 1/3 of the way, my wheels lock. The gas pedal works nicely on the whole range. Any ideas for this one? I've tried the brake sensitivity slider, but it's of no use.. at 100% sensitive I get the largest usable movement and at 0% sensitive it's full brake power with any amount of pedal movement :-( Also there's a calibration problem, since I'm using the GP1's analog 'whiskers' as gear up/down, I have to calibrate the stuff at least two times before it works. The problem is such, that when I fully depress the gas or brake pedal the 'whiskers' axis moves up or down just a tad and causes a gear up or down command. I wish F1RS would have a null zone setting for every analog axis that can be used in the game. -Juha --

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>I'm using Thrustmaster GP1 wheel and CH Pro pedals. My problem >with F1RS is that the brake pedal works more or less on an >'on/off' basis. When I'm pressing it 1/3 of the way, my >wheels lock. The gas pedal works nicely on the whole range. >Any ideas for this one? I've tried the brake sensitivity slider, >but it's of no use.. at 100% sensitive I get the largest usable >movement and at 0% sensitive it's full brake power with any >amount of pedal movement :-( >Also there's a calibration problem, since I'm using the >GP1's analog 'whiskers' as gear up/down, I have to calibrate >the stuff at least two times before it works. The problem >is such, that when I fully depress the gas or brake pedal >the 'whiskers' axis moves up or down just a tad and causes >a gear up or down command. I wish F1RS would have a null zone >setting for every analog axis that can be used in the game. > -Juha >--

Me, I use the buttons for shifting, but otherwise the same setup. Doesn't seem to be quite as sensitive, but still hard to keep from locking up the brakes. Had the same with GP2, but was able to get that one adjusted right, and got used to it. Running the UK version, patched to 1.09, on a Voodoo 2. Can't really get into it that much since it's kinda hard to drive. Played with the sensitivity, and that just seems to make it worse. Adjusted the speed on my gamecard and even tried the soundcard gameport, all a bit differrent but seems that you get brake lockups regardless. Ken

I agree, F1RS's controller setup really screws up what could be a classic racing game. Too much of a on/off feel in steering too. Hopefully Ubisoft can fix this....and make it like a Papyrus setup. Rick Carlson

>Yeah - been noticing it in playing it some trying to get used to the brakes, >the steering sometimes almost feels like GP1 w/ steering help, turning >doesn't seem to do anything then JERK over to the racing line, can't really >describe it. Well that isn't how it works on my machine at all. So it isn't like it is the game, strictly speaking. Otherwise I would have this problem also. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

>I agree, F1RS's controller setup really screws up what could be a >classic racing game. Too much of a on/off feel in steering too. >Hopefully Ubisoft can fix this....and make it like a Papyrus setup. >Rick Carlson <snip> Yeah - been noticing it in playing it some trying to get used to the brakes, the steering sometimes almost feels like GP1 w/ steering help, turning doesn't seem to do anything then JERK over to the racing line, can't really describe it. Ken

It sounds as if you have encountered the dreaded Microsoft 5% Deadzone. Get the Dz2 Zip file from: www.f1racingsim.com It will allow you to set the default deadzone anywhere from 0-5%. I've set mine to 0, and really notice it on turn-in to a corner. I am able to be much more precise on entry. Don

<snip> Nope, already did that - set it to either 1 or 0 I'm not sure. Beginning to think maybe it's the GP1, or the GP1 / CH Pedals combo. Got a friend who's moving, and he's selling his TM NASCAR Pro. Might pick that up and relegate the CH Pedals to flight-sim duty only. Or might just go back to my old setup of CH Flightstick Pro (still going strong) w/ the pedals, always did pretty well in N2 and GP2 with that. Maybe a bit faster with the GP1 setup, but mainly just liked having a wheel for being more natural. Maybe that new P2-400 will solve the problem...yeah, that's the way to rationalize it hehe.

> <snip> > Nope, already did that - set it to either 1 or 0 I'm not sure. Beginning to > think maybe it's the GP1, or the GP1 / CH Pedals combo. Got a friend who's > moving, and he's selling his TM NASCAR Pro. Might pick that up and relegate > the CH Pedals to flight-sim duty only. It's not the combo GP1/CH Pedals. After one of the patches for F1RS the joystick handling improved dramatically. You should use the CH Pedals in car mode (2 axis) and set the sensitivity for gas and brakes to 100%. This works great for me. l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Hi Ken, I have a Smith's Wheel & Pedal Kit <made in South Africa>, and therefore not on "Bill's" list of hardware. This is how I set mine up.... 1) Go to the Windows 95 control panel 2) Add a custom controller 3) Set it up as a 2 button 2 axis Race car controller 4) Give it a name (!) and calibrate it. (Make sure read the instructions that windows gives you while calibrating, and do exactly as Windows instructs.) 5) Load game, and go to configuration page. 7) Set the controls for keyboard first. Use arrow keys for direction and acceleration. To set the controls, push the half-round buttons at the end of the menu bars. To do this, move the mouse icon, which is a chequered flag, onto the half-round button and press. The flag will disappear while it awaits your input. (The message window at the bottom of the screen will also light up and prompt CHOOSE COMMAND) 8) Then set the controls for the wheel. For steering, the top bar will be left and right, while the brake and accelerate are your pedals (!) 9) Gear up and down are usually left button behind the Smith wheel is gear down, right button is gear up. 8) Then slip into your nomex suit, shut the visor and RACE. It certainly is worth a try...give it a go. Chad BTW The Smith's Wheel & Pedal Kit is brilliant, and if you are interested in getting more details drop me an e-mail... just remove NOSPAM from this ***pit.

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><snip> >>It sounds as if you have encountered the dreaded Microsoft 5% Deadzone. >> Get the Dz2 Zip file from: >> www.f1racingsim.com

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<snip> Basically what I did to set mine up, it shows up ok, and works ok, just doesn't "feel" right. Seems it works well for others, just was hoping there was some setting I missed somewhere that made it as jumpy as it seemed, just gonna have to play around with the sensitivity more I guess - and get in more practice :-) Thanx all for the suggestions Ken - go #43 and #44