And go download the Type C mod!
http://www.virtua-lm.com/
1991-1993 Type C
Fun addon tracks including Fuji and Rouen.
I hate pretty much every mod I've tried for F1C, but this one is very
very nice.
Jason
not for those on dail-up nearly 300meg is a bit big for me to worry about
downloading. pity, I'm sure its good.
Steve
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> And go download the Type C mod! > > http://www.virtua-lm.com/ > > 1991-1993 Type C > > Fun addon tracks including Fuji and Rouen. > > I hate pretty much every mod I've tried for F1C, but this one is very > very nice. > > Jason"Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It is very nicely done (kudos to the VLM guys), but I just can't get
terribly excited about it so far. It's not a criticism of their work, but
just my take on how those super-aero cars are to drive. That 10,000lbs of
downforce kind of ruins the fun of hurtling around a scary place like Rouen.
Flat through ALL the medium to fast corners with no drama at all. But that
was in the 905, which has a stupendous level of downforce, so I'll have to
trim the wings back or find a really crap car in there and have another
go... ;-)
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> And go download the Type C mod! > > http://www.virtua-lm.com/ > > 1991-1993 Type C > > Fun addon tracks including Fuji and Rouen. > > I hate pretty much every mod I've tried for F1C, but this one is very > very nice."Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Crap car? Try the BRM - bet you can't keep the engine from grenading
;).
I like the mod alot, but I feel a bit as you do - there's not as much
excitement in a car that sticks like an arcade racer ;). Then again,
I'm not really up to speed - I bet at 10/10ths the cars are plenty
exciting just because you can go so damn fast.
Kendt
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> "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > And go download the Type C mod! > > > > http://www.virtua-lm.com/ > > > > 1991-1993 Type C > > > > Fun addon tracks including Fuji and Rouen. > > > > I hate pretty much every mod I've tried for F1C, but this one is very > > very nice. > > It is very nicely done (kudos to the VLM guys), but I just can't get > terribly excited about it so far. It's not a criticism of their work, but > just my take on how those super-aero cars are to drive. That 10,000lbs of > downforce kind of ruins the fun of hurtling around a scary place like Rouen. > Flat through ALL the medium to fast corners with no drama at all. But that > was in the 905, which has a stupendous level of downforce, so I'll have to > trim the wings back or find a really crap car in there and have another > go... ;-)[email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) wrote in
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I may have been spoilt(Tolkienized spelling) driving the ETCC mod so
much, but I'm spinning all over the place. If this is 10000 foot pounds
of downforce, they must be from pygmies!
I tried the Konrad at LeMans online and couldn't get outta the way of
fast movers quick enough. Man!!! What a slug. The trouble with this mod
is two fold... The big tracks need the lower classes to clog up the
track. I would assume LeMans would be much more of a challenge if you
are dodging Porche 911's all day. And second there, are about 2 dominant
and 2 superdominant cars. All the rest are field fillers. I suspect the
majority of online events will be in Evo2's and Toyotas and Mercs with
Diehard Britophiles running the Purple Jags. Anyone who picks a Braun or
a Lola etc will be way off the pace. Hmmmm maybe I can handicap the
races and force the fast guys into the slowest chassis.
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> Crap car? Try the BRM - bet you can't keep the engine from grenading > ;). > I like the mod alot, but I feel a bit as you do - there's not as much > excitement in a car that sticks like an arcade racer ;). Then again, > I'm not really up to speed - I bet at 10/10ths the cars are plenty > exciting just because you can go so damn fast. > > Kendt > >On 19 Mar 2004 10:49:04 -0800, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund)
wrote:
>Crap car? Try the BRM - bet you can't keep the engine from grenading
http://firebrand11.stargate.net/TYPEC/fucking-brm.jpg
Jason
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:55:15 -0600, Dave Henrie
<[email hidden]> wrote:
> I may have been spoilt(Tolkienized spelling) driving the ETCC mod
Geeze, next thing you know I'll be starting a post with "I may have
been spoiled driving my 87 Plymouth Reliant LE...."
Jason
Seems like a great mod. I'd be driving nothing but it if my computer could
handle more than 3 cars on the track at the same time :(
Driving around the tracks feels great during "test days", but the 15-20fps
during races kinda spoils the fun. I've gone to 800x600x16bit, low detail
everything, only 9 AI cars running... nothing seems to help :/ ETCC runs
quite smoothly at 30-40fps at higher resolutions and details.
"Jussi 'Igor' Koukku" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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According to their forum, Group C does take more computing power. The
reason are the vastly complicated car shapes of Group C. They are planning
on bringing out different carsets, like the Mid 80's LeMans cars, and those
are very much easier to model. The 956/962 Porches and such are much more
of a rectangle so the polygon count will be much lower.
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> Seems like a great mod. I'd be driving nothing but it if my computer > could handle more than 3 cars on the track at the same time :( > > Driving around the tracks feels great during "test days", but the > 15-20fps during races kinda spoils the fun. I've gone to > 800x600x16bit, low detail everything, only 9 AI cars running... > nothing seems to help :/ ETCC runs quite smoothly at 30-40fps at > higher resolutions and details. > > >Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> I may have been spoilt(Tolkienized spelling) driving the ETCC mod so
> much, but I'm spinning all over the place. If this is 10000 foot pounds
> of downforce, they must be from pygmies!
[snip]
OK - you could probably drive (nurburg)rings round me in any given
sim, but I'll give my 2cents on coming to terms with the cars (from a
crappy sim-driver perspective), mainly from running Spa and Suzuka in
the Jag and Pug. As a reference, I can run 1:48 at Suzuka in the Evo2
with the included setup.
The biggest thing to keep in mind is the huge difference between the
mechanical and aero grip, and how stiff the setups are to deal with
the aero. I have to be *really* ginger with the accelerator at low
speeds. For chicanes, esp the bus stop at Spa, you either tiptoe
through on the track, or if you want to ride the curbs you have to
straight-line them, and only touch the wheel/acc when the car has
settled and can take a change in direction. Curb-riding is really
hard, especially on high speed corners where the upset to the chassis
is so severe. I take that back - it is actually alot of fun when you
manage to save it - nipping the curbs at Suzuka can be quite exciting
;).
Of course alot of this may be setup-related, but I normally have
limited time to play sims, and way too many to choose from, so that
limits my setup tinkering.
Kendt
Have you reduced the number of visible cars? You can do this from the (my
;-)) launcher.
--
R.
GPLRank +79.699
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Jussi 'Igor' Koukku" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> news:405ee0a9$0$22715$[email hidden]:
>
> > Seems like a great mod. I'd be driving nothing but it if my computer
> > could handle more than 3 cars on the track at the same time :(
> >
> > Driving around the tracks feels great during "test days", but the
> > 15-20fps during races kinda spoils the fun. I've gone to
> > 800x600x16bit, low detail everything, only 9 AI cars running...
> > nothing seems to help :/ ETCC runs quite smoothly at 30-40fps at
> > higher resolutions and details.
> >
> >
> >
>
> According to their forum, Group C does take more computing power. The
> reason are the vastly complicated car shapes of Group C. They are
planning
> on bringing out different carsets, like the Mid 80's LeMans cars, and
those
> are very much easier to model. The 956/962 Porches and such are much more
> of a rectangle so the polygon count will be much lower.
Yup. Didn't help much.
"Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti
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The
> > reason are the vastly complicated car shapes of Group C. They are
> planning
> > on bringing out different carsets, like the Mid 80's LeMans cars, and
> those
> > are very much easier to model. The 956/962 Porches and such are muchmore
> > of a rectangle so the polygon count will be much lower.
>
>
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> Have you reduced the number of visible cars? You can do this from the (my > ;-)) launcher. > -- > R. > GPLRank +79.699 > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Jussi 'Igor' Koukku" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > news:405ee0a9$0$22715$[email hidden]: > > > > > Seems like a great mod. I'd be driving nothing but it if my computer > > > could handle more than 3 cars on the track at the same time :( > > > > > > Driving around the tracks feels great during "test days", but the > > > 15-20fps during races kinda spoils the fun. I've gone to > > > 800x600x16bit, low detail everything, only 9 AI cars running... > > > nothing seems to help :/ ETCC runs quite smoothly at 30-40fps at > > > higher resolutions and details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to their forum, Group C does take more computing power."Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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ROTFL
I don't notice any cars behind you. And the ones in front appear to be long
gone.;-)
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> On 19 Mar 2004 10:49:04 -0800, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) > wrote: > > >Crap car? Try the BRM - bet you can't keep the engine from grenading > > http://firebrand11.stargate.net/TYPEC/fucking-brm.jpg > > Jason<snip>
> And second there, are about 2 dominant
> and 2 superdominant cars. All the rest are field fillers. I suspect the
> majority of online events will be in Evo2's and Toyotas and Mercs with
> Diehard Britophiles running the Purple Jags. Anyone who picks a Braun or
> a Lola etc will be way off the pace. Hmmmm maybe I can handicap the
> races and force the fast guys into the slowest chassis.
Sure look at the greatest and most raced online sim. GPL. How many people
would race BRM's or Honda's unless they wanted to challenge themselves or
were forced to by a handicapping qualy procedure. I don't have a problem
with it. It's much better to be accurate than have Ferrari's and Minardi's
at basically the same speed. And once the 962's come onstream there'll be
bucketloads of fast cars.
"Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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One concept I've floated from time to time in the TPTCC leagues was
weight-sucess penalties to try and balance the fields. MAN did I get
shotdown.
I got very very few positive comments about that. The fast guys were
adamnant against it. They were fast and wanted to stay that way. :)
of course, what they don't realize is that they could take a concrete-
filled blockcar and still circulate around a course faster than some of us.
dave henrie
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> Sure look at the greatest and most raced online sim. GPL. How many > people would race BRM's or Honda's unless they wanted to challenge > themselves or were forced to by a handicapping qualy procedure. I > don't have a problem with it. It's much better to be accurate than > have Ferrari's and Minardi's at basically the same speed. And once the > 962's come onstream there'll be bucketloads of fast cars. >
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> "Rudeboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>
> One concept I've floated from time to time in the TPTCC leagues was
> weight-sucess penalties to try and balance the fields. MAN did I get
> shotdown.
Fascinating idea, but how would you go about doing it within NR2003? Or
does this date back to TPTCC's NH era where we could just whip up a heavier
car to place in the mod?
-jde
"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> Fascinating idea, but how would you go about doing it within NR2003?
> Or does this date back to TPTCC's NH era where we could just whip up a
> heavier car to place in the mod?
>
> -jde
Yup the Heat DTM cars are what first gave me the idea. Or rather the
CART HEAT mod did...when first released, the CART cars were right on the
league rules weight limit. And so the physics engine that worked the jack
for the 3500lb Winston cup Cars would flip the champcar about 20 feet into
the air. If you were lucky, it would spin enough to land back on the
wheels...but many times you'd end up like an upsidedown turtle.
The fix for that was to add 200 pounds more weight...to simulate the
driver's added weight and that was just enough to keep the cars from
bouncing like Mexican Jumping Beans. When I saw how quickly the CART mod
guys changed the weight...I figured it would be a simple thing for league
Admins to issue HEAVY chassis for the podium finishers.
With Nr2k3, I would assume the exe file contains the vehicle weight, and
since I've heard that has indeed been cracked...a good modder should be
able to hand out a sucess penalty.
Maybe we could weight handicap the RASCAR guys...of course somebody
fair and even handed would have to be in charge of determining the weight
penalties...rats...
dave henrie
