What racing sim is "BEST"

Sorry I'll disagree with the other poster...CPS is not the best....not even honorable mention. For best multiplayer : Nascar Racing 2 over the TEN network For best "you are there graphics" ICR2 Rendition version BEST Eye Candy, F1RS Best driving model: SODA Off Road Racing Best sim for those without Rendition chips: GP2 Best sim for those with 3dfx: F1rs Most fun: Monster Truck Madness 2(ok so it's not out yet...sue me!) Best Total Convesion: The Pits Touring Car Patch for N2. Best Demo: Grand Prix Legends Best category not yet covered: Tie: Pikes Peak Unlimited Hill Climb, Unlimited Hydro Planes Dave Henrie "Fly Paper." That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Well as racing sims become even more popular the list seems to be getting smaller. But my vote goes for a World of Outlaws/Sprint car sim. Then again, We'll all get a car that is hard to handle and that flips a lot in GPL! (With GPL/N3 comming it, it looks like it's time for an upgrade! (I think I'll wait for the 100MHZ bus to come out, any ideas when???) Later, John

Dave E Henrie wrote Wow, I think this is the best coverage yet !!!!!!! Hope you don't mind if I use this as a reference is anybody ask witch is the best sim (this means each 1week). Btw, I want a Carrera Panamerica Simulator !!!!! For those who don't know what is this... go locate "Carrera Panamerica, a sound experience by Pink Floyd". I saw many racing movies, but this documentary has the BEST racing shots I ever saw. The BEST be sure !!! And it has some new music by Pink Floyd. And David Gilmour nearly dies in it. And it's a very cool race, 2000kms all over Central America, closed and non-closed tracks !!!. Best AI : The TEN NROS drivers for N2 ;-) Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

"Cart Precision Racing" from Microsoft, defenately. This simulator gives you really an experiance of driving at stunning speeds. The only thing is that you should at least have a nice Pentium 150 or higher and a good 3D-card. A week ago I downloaded the demo from www.asia.microsoft.com and two days later I had to buy it. Believe me I own all the racing simulators like GP2, ICR2, F1RS and there is no such thing like CPR. Sometimes you really get scared while driving it. Your hartbeat will go up to a 160 bpm and you don't have to do your run in the city-park, because you'll lose enough weight if play CPR for only 15 minutes a day (now that's an amaizing discovery isn't it?).

My vote for Catagory Not Yet Covered: Le Mans ... Although Pike's Peak has a certain attraction... Don

It's out now. The new mb's with the Intel BX chipset. Most all of the major PC players have 350Mhz and 400Mhz models running on the 100Mhz bus shipping right now. Dan

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> Sorry I'll disagree with the other poster...CPS is not the best....not >even honorable mention. >For best multiplayer : Nascar Racing 2 over the TEN network >For best "you are there graphics" ICR2 Rendition version >BEST Eye Candy, F1RS >Best driving model: SODA Off Road Racing >Best sim for those without Rendition chips: GP2 >Best sim for those with 3dfx: F1rs >Most fun: Monster Truck Madness 2(ok so it's not out yet...sue me!) >Best Total Convesion: The Pits Touring Car Patch for N2. >Best Demo: Grand Prix Legends >Best category not yet covered: Tie: Pikes Peak Unlimited Hill Climb, >Unlimited Hydro Planes >Dave Henrie >"Fly Paper." That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I agree with this as well... CPR is a fair way down as sim... though as a game there are people who like it a lot. F1RS is probably the best overal sim for the moment. As far as dividing it into categories then I aree with Dave Henrie. David Mocnay

> "Cart Precision Racing" from Microsoft, defenately. This simulator gives you > really an experiance of driving at stunning speeds. <snip> Speaking about "stunning speeds", have you noticed that whilst on Milwaukee, for eg, that no matter what the setup you just can't get over 190 mph. Absolutely stunning! No doubt about it, CPR was a stunning product and the stunned mullets all over the globe are living proof :))

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> > My vote for Catagory Not Yet Covered: Le Mans > > ... Although Pike's Peak has a certain attraction... > > Don > Well as racing sims become even more popular the list seems > to be getting smaller. But my vote goes for a > World of Outlaws/Sprint car sim. Then again, We'll all > get a car that is hard to handle and that flips a lot in > GPL! (With GPL/N3 comming it, it looks like it's time > for an upgrade! (I think I'll wait for the 100MHZ bus > to come out, any ideas when???)

My biased vote goes to The Australian V8 Touring Cars, especially including the famous Bathurst track, and also the CART track on the Gold Coast and the GP track in Melbourne! Philip Island (used for GP Bikes), etc, etc, etc! To bad there's no Aussie companies good enough or interested enough to do it :((((

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> "Cart Precision Racing" from Microsoft, defenately. This simulator gives you > really an experiance of driving at stunning speeds. The only thing is that > you should at least have a nice Pentium 150 or higher and a good 3D-card. A > week ago I downloaded the demo from www.asia.microsoft.com and two days > later I had to buy it. Believe me I own all the racing simulators like GP2, > ICR2, F1RS and there is no such thing like CPR. Sometimes you really get > scared while driving it. Your hartbeat will go up to a 160 bpm and you don't > have to do your run in the city-park, because you'll lose enough weight if > play CPR for only 15 minutes a day (now that's an amaizing discovery isn't > it?).

Oh, boy! You better "Duck and cover!" ;^) l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

> My biased vote goes to The Australian V8 Touring Cars, especially including the famous Ahh thoose V8's were (well they still are but i cant watch them anymore:((() totally awsome on*the* mountain... If i were to have my wishes in future PAPYRUS sims tho, the list would go something like this... - Can-Am's.... boy were they awsome! - LeMans.... would love a full simulator of the 23hr. race with drivers changes, pitstops, day and nigth etc... all run over the net ofcourse! - IMSA GTP/WSC: Imagine the 24hrs of Daytona, 12hrs. of Sebring, 6 hrs. at The Glen etc... Could be done with modern day cars too.. i.e. R&S, Ferrari 333SP, Mazda Kudzy, Courage, etc.. - Historic LeMans sim.: Imagine driving this race in different ares with different cars on different track-layouts.... Should feature The Bentley of the 30's, D-types of the 50's, Ferraris and Fords of the 60's, Porsches of the 70's and 80's, Group. C's of the 80's and 90's.. Now would'nt that be a blast!? - Oz V8's... (again the Mountain is one of my favorite tracks in the world.) - Super-touring. etc, etc, etc, just my 0.2. tho.. -- Best, Edwin Solheim ed_ on NROS The Paddock - a legendary site..: http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock Cheek Junior Team: http://home.sol.no/~solhmrek

For most fun... TOCA

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> Sorry I'll disagree with the other poster...CPS is not the best....not > even honorable mention. > For best multiplayer : Nascar Racing 2 over the TEN network > For best "you are there graphics" ICR2 Rendition version > BEST Eye Candy, F1RS > Best driving model: SODA Off Road Racing > Best sim for those without Rendition chips: GP2 > Best sim for those with 3dfx: F1rs > Most fun: Monster Truck Madness 2(ok so it's not out yet...sue me!) > Best Total Convesion: The Pits Touring Car Patch for N2. > Best Demo: Grand Prix Legends > Best category not yet covered: Tie: Pikes Peak Unlimited Hill Climb, > Unlimited Hydro Planes > Dave Henrie > "Fly Paper." That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I believe the 100 Mz buses were out on April 15. I had to choose between a P2/333 66 Hz or P2/400 100 Hz :) I heard that the 3Dfx cards weren't guaranteed too work with the 100 Mz machines -- who wants to spend $1500 CAD and not have your cards work? Not me. > (With GPL/N3 comming it, it looks like it's time > for an upgrade! (I think I'll wait for the 100MHZ bus > to come out, any ideas when???) ----------------------- Jason Monds (Remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Nascar Racing 2 wins hands down until GPL releases, unless they at Papy do something really radical that somehow makes it unplayable on all but the top of the line P2 systems. I use a Voodoo card, and the 3dfx patch made N2 even better. Nothing against rendition, just don't have one at this time. -- Regards, Ed Medlin www.edmedlin.netminds.com Columnist, Software Critics Unlimited www.softwarecritic.com

> Best AI : The TEN NROS drivers for N2 That's debateable. :) DLB

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> - Can-Am's.... boy were they awsome! > - LeMans.... would love a full simulator of the 23hr. race with drivers > changes, pitstops, day and nigth etc... all run over the net ofcourse! > - IMSA GTP/WSC: Imagine the 24hrs of Daytona, 12hrs. of Sebring, 6 hrs. at > The Glen etc... Could be done with modern day cars too.. i.e. R&S, Ferrari > 333SP, Mazda Kudzy, Courage, etc.. > - Historic LeMans sim.: Imagine driving this race in different ares with > different cars on different track-layouts.... Should feature The Bentley of > the 30's, D-types of the 50's, Ferraris and Fords of the 60's, Porsches of > the 70's and 80's, Group. C's of the 80's and 90's.. Now would'nt that be a > blast!? > - Oz V8's... (again the Mountain is one of my favorite tracks in the world.) > - Super-touring.

How about the Mille Miglia? Trips

>> Best AI : The TEN NROS drivers for N2 >That's debateable. :) No no no !!! Remember it's "Artificial" intelligence !!!! Nothing to debate here ;-) Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)

Hmmm, interesting, but I would say...... Best Multiplayer : Only ever played GP2 & F1RS so I'm not really qualified to answer this one? (But f1rs was great in a 2 person modem link via MS DUN) Best Graphics (past): I would say GP2 (the graphics are, even by todays standards, stunning in svga on a top pc, and bear in mind they are *not* 3D enhanced?) Best Graphics (present) : F1RS Best Graphics (future) : I reserve judgement until a final release, but GPL looks good for this one? (or GP3) Best Driving Model: Has to be GPL (even though it's *only* a demo) Best Sim for those without Rendition chips: GP2 Best Sim for those with 3dfx: F1rs Most fun: TOCA or even Motoracer (though they are not strictly sims?) Best Demo: Grand Prix Legends Worst sim: hmmm, tough one this? Most tracks: RAC Rally (27) Least tracks: GPL demo (1) Most processor hungry: GP2 (without a doubt, PII 350's & 400's would *still* struggle in svga, with *all* graphics options on, and at 25fps, at the start of a race at Monaco, to keep below 100%) 8?) *Peter* 8-) (NB: remove asterix to e-mail)

I'm sorry to disagree here. Anybody who raced on the NROS knows what is the best multiplayer service available. It's 2 years in front of any other multiplayer racing type. 2 FULL years. Sorry. Naw, Nascar2 are better than Gp2 IMHO(Nascar2 is a past and present title, since it's directly between Gp2 and F1RS in age (2/1/0years old). Best eye-candy yes, but still GPL has the best IMHO Universal "I agree" here. Best Sim for those with a Rendition : Icr2. TOCA is here, but I had better fun with Daytona USA than Motoracer. MTM is here in the top for me. Naw, Cart:PR. Wait it's not a sim ! well... <g> I have to say RAC. Didn't impressed me. For me it's Soda. I have more than 70 on my PC. Lol ! Well at least it was drivable, and the old C:PR demo had 1 track AND was undrivable (hehe). Well, this is an universal "I agree" answer here ;-) Food for fun thoughts. Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

> My biased vote goes to The Australian V8 Touring Cars, especially including the famous > Bathurst track, and also the CART track on the Gold Coast and the GP track in Melbourne! > Philip Island (used for GP Bikes), etc, etc, etc! To bad there's no Aussie companies good > enough or interested enough to do it :(((( What about HRT Touring Car Championship from two years ago? I'm sure any Aussie computer store still has plenty of spare copies to sell you :) I'm sure local developers must think "Oh well, it's been done and it didn't sell" rather than see this game as the well-polished turd it clearly is.

>I believe the 100 Mz buses were out on April 15. >I had to choose between a P2/333 66 Hz or P2/400 100 Hz :) >I heard that the 3Dfx cards weren't guaranteed too work >with the 100 Mz machines -- who wants to spend $1500 CAD >and not have your cards work? Not me. Jason, where did you hear that a 3DFX card might not work with a P2/400 w/100MHZ bus? No one else but you has ever said that, AFAIK... Please tell us.. -- * rrevved at mindspring dot com * unit.26 s.p.u.t.u.m. * http://www.sputum.com

> I believe the 100 Mz buses were out on April 15. > I had to choose between a P2/333 66 Hz or P2/400 100 Hz :) > I heard that the 3Dfx cards weren't guaranteed too work > with the 100 Mz machines -- who wants to spend $1500 CAD > and not have your cards work? Not me. The 3Dfx cards, esp. the new Voodoo2, work great in the PII 100MHz bus systems. In these systems, the PCI bus runs at 1/3 of the 100Mhz speed, or 33Mhz, which is the spec for PCI. On the 66Mhz systems, the PCI bus runs at 1/2, or 33MHz also.

I believe it was an answer Diamond support provided to someone that was trying to overclock their system. If I ever locate the statement again, I'll post it. I'm glad some is enjoying a P2/400 with a Voodoo2 board :) I still would have purchased the P2/333 regardless. I don't like shelling out for the top-of-the-line-for-NOW products. Jason. > Jason, where did you hear that a 3DFX card might not work with a > P2/400 w/100MHZ bus? No one else but you has ever said that, > AFAIK... > Please tell us..

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> I believe it was an answer Diamond support provided to someone > that was trying to overclock their system. If I ever locate > the statement again, I'll post it. > I'm glad some is enjoying a P2/400 with a Voodoo2 board :) > I still would have purchased the P2/333 regardless. I don't > like shelling out for the top-of-the-line-for-NOW products.

I thik the confusion might be coming from the fact that the "genuine" 100MHZ BX boards run the PCI at 1/3, thus a normal 33mhz, but the overclocked LX boards run the PCI at 1/2, so that an LX oc'd to a 100mhz bus would be driving the PCI bus at 50mhz. Trips

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> > I believe the 100 Mz buses were out on April 15. > > I had to choose between a P2/333 66 Hz or P2/400 100 Hz :) > > I heard that the 3Dfx cards weren't guaranteed too work > > with the 100 Mz machines -- who wants to spend $1500 CAD > > and not have your cards work? Not me. > The 3Dfx cards, esp. the new Voodoo2, work great in the PII 100MHz bus > systems. In these systems, the PCI bus runs at 1/3 of the 100Mhz speed, > or 33Mhz, which is the spec for PCI. On the 66Mhz systems, the PCI bus > runs at 1/2, or 33MHz also.

Then what good does the 100Mhz bus do if PCI only runs at 33Mhz? Im looking to buy a new computer too, and the 100Mhz bus is something i was going to make sure to get. --Scott

> Then what good does the 100Mhz bus do if PCI only runs at 33Mhz? > Im looking to buy a new computer too, and the 100Mhz bus is something i > was going to make sure to get. Faster CPU, faster cache, faster RAM. Trips

I did have a problem on my P2-400 getting my Monster 3D to work. When I installed the drivers off the CD it would make my desk.cpl file corrupt until I de-installed the drivers. This problem was fixed when I downloaded the latest drivers from Diamond. Now everything runs fine.

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> >I believe the 100 Mz buses were out on April 15. > >I had to choose between a P2/333 66 Hz or P2/400 100 Hz :) > >I heard that the 3Dfx cards weren't guaranteed too work > >with the 100 Mz machines -- who wants to spend $1500 CAD > >and not have your cards work? Not me. > Jason, where did you hear that a 3DFX card might not work with a > P2/400 w/100MHZ bus? No one else but you has ever said that, > AFAIK... > Please tell us.. > -- > * rrevved at mindspring dot com > * unit.26 s.p.u.t.u.m. > * http://www.sputum.com