Sound in GPL

I bought the ?Grand Prix? movie and I was amazed by the quality of that 1967 movie! One thing that struck me was the fact that those Formula 1 engine sounded like the engine found in Winston Cup cars. People have been saying over and over again that the engine should have a high pitch sound. Well, if the engines sound like the one in the film, the sound in the GPL demo seems to be a pretty good approximation! The only exception: the music that comes out of Jean-Paul Sarti's Ferrari. It's in a league of it's own. I've seen new screenshots and the game looks fabulous! Can't wait to play the final version. Philippe Sergerie

I think on the box of the video it says the in car shots were recorded in a Ford GT-40 and a Porsche. So the sounds may not be authentic F1 sounds. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks John

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>I bought the ?Grand Prix? movie and I was amazed by the quality of that >1967 movie! One thing that struck me was the fact that those Formula 1 >engine sounded like the engine found in Winston Cup cars. People have >been saying over and over again that the engine should have a high pitch >sound. Well, if the engines sound like the one in the film, the sound in >the GPL demo seems to be a pretty good approximation! The only >exception: the music that comes out of Jean-Paul Sarti's Ferrari. It's >in a league of it's own. >I've seen new screenshots and the game looks fabulous! Can't wait to >play the final version. >Philippe Sergerie

>I think on the box of the video it says the in car shots were recorded in a >Ford GT-40 and a Porsche. So the sounds may not be authentic F1 sounds. Can >anyone confirm this? Gee, I'm not sure that's right. I seem to recall that at least some of the video was filmed from a car driven in actual races during the season. I rather doubt they'd let a GT-40 run around with the F-1 cars during actual races. Now having said that, I suppose they could have used different sound on the movie soundtrack. But whatever they did, I agree it's glorious. We may forget that the screaming engines of today are a relatively recent phenomenon. I recall that the Matra V-12 in 1971 shocked everyone by revving at something like 11,000 rpm. It's fun to hear the soundtrack on the video of the race they did at the old Ontario Motor Speedway in 1971 (a combination of F-1 and F5000 cars): You hear the ubiquitous Cosworths, the rumbling 5 litre Chevy's and the screaming Matra.

From what I've heard, they used Formula 2's, mocked-up to look like the F1's. The in-car shots were from in-car cameras on these cars, as well as *actual* race action from the F1's. They also used the Ford GT-40 and Porsche (as you stated), which if I heard correctly, were FASTER (straightline) than the F1's!!! doktorB >I think on the box of the video it says the in car shots were recorded in a >Ford GT-40 and a Porsche. So the sounds may not be authentic F1 sounds. Can >anyone confirm this?

Not quite true, Herr Doktor! > From what I've heard, they used Formula 2's, mocked-up to look like the > F1's. The mock-ups were done with a few of the previous F1 chassis...the 1.5 litre formula.....with dummy exhaust systems mounts atop said cars. In fact, the dummy exhaust system on the Ferraris looks terrible and shakes around so much that it gives the impression of being held on with string! :-) Shelby Cobra 427. faster than the 1.5 litre cars, yes!! -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

The in-car shots, certainly at Monaco, were recorded in the "film star" cars......1.5 litre machines dummied up to look as if they had 3.0 litre engines. The bulk of the *exterior* shots at Monaco are of the actual race itself. > I think on the box of the video it says the in car shots were recorded in a > Ford GT-40 and a Porsche. So the sounds may not be authentic F1 -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Anyone else find the engine sounds in the GPL demo _noisy_? As in badly-recorded-sound-samples noisy, not loud-engine noisy? I'm using a SB16 MCD, if it matters. (Yes, I know, Creative's cards are far from audiophile quality -- but other games' engines sound so much better on the same setup.) -- spamgard(tm): To email me, put "geek" in your Subject line.

I thought that was the sound of air rushing by my helmet. DLB

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> >I bought the ?Grand Prix? movie and I was amazed by the quality of that > >1967 movie! One thing that struck me was the fact that those Formula 1 > >engine sounded like the engine found in Winston Cup cars. People have > >been saying over and over again that the engine should have a high pitch > >sound. Well, if the engines sound like the one in the film, the sound in > >the GPL demo seems to be a pretty good approximation! The only > >exception: the music that comes out of Jean-Paul Sarti's Ferrari. It's > >in a league of it's own. > Anyone else find the engine sounds in the GPL demo _noisy_? As > in badly-recorded-sound-samples noisy, not loud-engine noisy? > I'm using a SB16 MCD, if it matters. (Yes, I know, Creative's > cards are far from audiophile quality -- but other games' > engines sound so much better on the same setup.) > -- > spamgard(tm): To email me, put "geek" in your Subject line.

Dana Bailes and another wrote : Yes actually. Just check out the F10 view, you don't hear the wind anymore. Btw, (to the other guy), the sounds in GPL are only placeholders, and not accurate at all from the real-life engine sound. It's a remixed N2 sound. You can change it in the Option.cfg file. Just change the sampleRPM line to what you want (higher = lower pitch AFAIK). Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Member of the r.a.s. Ego-maniac club Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

I stand corrected.. thanks Bruce. You ARE the knowledge MASTER!!! (I bow down and worship you!) doktorB

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>Not quite true, Herr Doktor! >The mock-ups were done with a few of the previous F1 chassis...the 1.5 >litre formula.....with dummy exhaust systems mounts atop said cars. In >fact, the dummy exhaust system on the Ferraris looks terrible and shakes >around so much that it gives the impression of being held on with >string! :-) >> The in-car shots were from in-car cameras on these cars, as well as >> *actual* race action from the F1's. They also used ..... >Shelby Cobra 427. > (as you stated), which if I heard correctly, were FASTER > (straightline) than the F1's!!! >faster than the 1.5 litre cars, yes!!

I have sampled the Cooper Maserati and the Ferrari from the Movie Soundtrack (vinyl), they sound a bit better than the demo-sounds....:) you can download them at: http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock/ The Maserati doubles up as the Lotus, and is pretty good. The Ferrari works as the Eagle, if you want some fun before the full version......:)) See you all online?? Matt -- Matthew Knutsen Cheek Racing Cars http://home.sol.no/~kareknut/

No...don't do that, for crying out loud! I am simply fortunate in having a reasonable amount of reference material available......most of it is great for Trivial Pursuit! :-) > I stand corrected.. thanks Bruce. You ARE the knowledge MASTER!!! > (I bow down and worship you!) -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

In addition to the engine sound there is also the sound of the airstream rushing past. It may just be that you are hearing this underlying noise as "hash" rather than what it really is! :-) > Anyone else find the engine sounds in the GPL demo _noisy_? As > in badly-recorded-sound-samples noisy, not loud-engine noisy? -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

I guess I need to go drive an open car at 150 mph before I comment further on whether it's icky bad noise or realistic good noise. Anyone got one I can borrow? :-> -- spamgard(tm): To email me, put "geek" in your Subject line.

Well, I've got an open car but whilst it might get to just over 110 mph, I think it would be having a hard time to get to 150! However, I can assure you that at 100mph the amount of noise that is generated by the slipstream is far, far greater than anything in GPL! :-) > I guess I need to go drive an open car at 150 mph before I comment > further on whether it's icky bad noise or realistic good noise. > Anyone got one I can borrow? :-> -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Actually, Bruce, Herr Doktor is correct on this point. The film-makers used Formula 2 cars, not the old 1.5 liter F1 cars. The bodywork as well as engine covers and exhaust systems were mocked up to look like the 66-67 cars. I recall this very clearly from an article in one of the car magazines of the time. If you think about it, this makes sense. F1 cars, even the obsolete 1.5 liter versions, would have been difficult to come by and difficult to maintain, with expensive, temperamental, and rare pure racing engines, different for each type. On the other hand, the F2 cars had cheap, reliable engines derived from production cars and the chassis were readily available and relatively cheap - exactly what was needed for moviemaking. If you watch the various scenes in the movie closely, you can often tell which were the real 3-liter F1 cars and which were the disguised F2 cars by the tire and wheel widths. For example, all of the footage on the Monza banking is of the F2 cars, since the F1 cars did not run on the banking in 1966. The tires are clearly the narrower F2 tires. Of course, this begs the question: which engine sounds in the movie are authentic to the car being shown in any given sequence, and which sounds were dubbed in after the fact? Alison On Mon, 04 May 1998 22:46:52 +1000, Bruce Kennewell

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>Not quite true, Herr Doktor! >> From what I've heard, they used Formula 2's, mocked-up to look like the >> F1's. >The mock-ups were done with a few of the previous F1 chassis...the 1.5 >litre formula.....with dummy exhaust systems mounts atop said cars. In >fact, the dummy exhaust system on the Ferraris looks terrible and shakes >around so much that it gives the impression of being held on with >string! :-) >> The in-car shots were from in-car cameras on these cars, as well as >> *actual* race action from the F1's. They also used the Ford GT-40 and >> Porsche >Shelby Cobra 427. >> (as you stated), which if I heard correctly, were FASTER >> (straightline) than the F1's!!! >faster than the 1.5 litre cars, yes!!

Alison

Thanks, Alison...you are quite correct. There are quite a lot of anomalies in the movie that would go unnoticed by the average movie-goer, but not necessarily by the racing enthusiast. In shots taken from the real races.....that is, external shots..... not only are there 3.0 litre cars included but there are also 1.5 litre cars from the previous F1. This is where I was mixing it up!! > Actually, Bruce, Herr Doktor is correct on this point. The film-makers -- Regards, Bruce. ---------- The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club is located at:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/