GYPSY----------- WELL------ it seems the Cyrix diesn't rank with these guys ..............

If you have a Cyrix chip you are NOT worth anything according to PAPY. It seems that you had to download a 686 fix for N2 ---- now the deo won't work with a Cyrix ------- I don't understand it. Another thing -------- I have always had better luck running the sims in the DOS mode ---------- -------- that goes for N2 -------- ICR2 ------------ and GP2 --------- and they worked beautifully. It seems someone at PAPY would wake up and smell coffee when after the two major disasters that just "hit" the shelves --------- ----------- Road to Indy --------- and MS CART ----------- that in GPL we would at least have an option to run the sim in DOS mode. It makes sense to me --------- but -------- prhaps they are getting a bit of a kickback from the computer manufacturers to make sure that if YOU are going to run the sim -------- you have to UPGRADE to XXXXHYPERSPACE CHIP with a MEDICINEMAN soundboard and SUPERGALACTIC supernova explosion videoboard -------- 14 Karat GOLD PEDALS AND WHEEL CONBO ------------ TWO ---- that is right ------ TWo PAPYRUS rearview mirrors that connect into the BLASTASS port so you can see your front door of the home. FULL NOMEX ------- FULL FACE HELMET ----- and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ............ If this sounds rediculous ------ it is ----------- but consider what is taking place here ----------- It is getting MORE rediculous EVERY DAY ------ THE CONSUMER is being forgotten by the manufacturer -------- they are so busy pumping their egos and producing something that really has no merit, and so sophisticated that you damn near have to get sponsorship from PENSKE to update your system to run the damned things. I am close to saying***THIS ------------ and NOT BUYING ANYTHING ALONG THESE LINES AGAIN----------- IF the manufacturers can't make something I can enjoy without spending a ton of money EVERY YEAR -------- just to keep up -------- it is NOT WORTH IT AS YOU SAY this is just a sim --------------- BUt if enough people say this and say enough is enough ------ you watch how fast these things are more runable and enjoyable to us all in the long run without having to resort to a life of crime to afford the damned computer upgrades Some of us have families to support first

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> If you have a Cyrix chip you are NOT worth anything according to PAPY. > It seems that you had to download a 686 fix for N2 ---- now the deo > won't work with a Cyrix ------- I don't understand it. > Another thing -------- I have always had better luck running the sims > in the DOS mode ---------- > -------- that goes for N2 -------- ICR2 ------------ and GP2 > --------- and they worked beautifully. It seems someone at PAPY would

Could it be, that's because they are DOS programs???? Do you really think, CPR or Road to Indy would be DIFFERENT in DOS??? snip Most people know that PC gameing (sp?) is an expensive hobby! OTOH, I have collegues who spent more dough on their skiing equipment... ;^) And I don't hear them whine about it. There are a ton of older games you can play with really low-end systems. But if you want the latest, you have to pay for it... snip I really hope you do!! I said it before: Who wouldn't laugh about a guy whining about his rising golf club fees? l8er ronny -- Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure, kiddo?" |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

<snip> % Another thing -------- I have always had better luck running the sims % in the DOS mode ---------- % -------- that goes for N2 -------- ICR2 ------------ and GP2 % --------- and they worked beautifully. It seems someone at PAPY would % wake up and smell coffee when after the two major disasters that just % "hit" the shelves --------- % ----------- Road to Indy --------- and MS CART ----------- that in % GPL we would at least have an option to run the sim in DOS mode. Well, besides the issue of DOS going the way of CP/M... I think that Papy's sim engine required Win95. I assume that their Server/Client engine for this sim would be more effecient and easier to program under a multi-tasking environment than DOS. I am sure there are other reasons why they chose Win95, but rest assured, I am happy with the performance of their demo. Especially since I tasted first hand their efforts of a Win95 product with ICR2 (it was frightening to think about GPL being a Win95 product after that). But, once again I think Papy has done an excellent job in their programming. I hardly realize I am running a Win95 program with the GPL demo. It looks and feels like a DOS program, and I had no trouble configuring or setting up the program.... (except for the clean-up after the install...) -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>Another thing -------- I have always had better luck running the sims >in the DOS mode ---------- > -------- that goes for N2 -------- ICR2 ------------ and GP2 >--------- and they worked beautifully. It seems someone at PAPY would >wake up and smell coffee when after the two major disasters that just >"hit" the shelves --------- > ----------- Road to Indy --------- and MS CART ----------- that in >GPL we would at least have an option to run the sim in DOS mode.

Just for the record, I haven't seen any 3d game/sim/whatever yet that run as well in win95 as GPL does. Hats off to the Papyrus team, we know it's not easy to run with an elephant on your back but since there are more and more people who don't know anything about DOS (thanks - or no thanks - to win95) I guess you had no choice. A. Renault

But then N2, ICR2 and GP2 were designed to be run in DOS, so its not surprising that that is where they would work best from. Steve

>nonsense Dos is dead and so are cyrix processors as far as 3D games go! I'm just waiting for someone to come in here and ask Papy why the GPL demo doesn't run on their 286 or MAC. Why would a new game/demo support dos and how would 3D games (ie all new games) run well on a non MXCyrix or even a MX when it's common knowledge that Cyrix has slow Floiting Point performance ie slow 3D performance. Have you been in hybernation for 6 months? Wanting to run todays sims on a non Mx Cyrix or even a Cyrix lesser than the 233 is just ridiculous. It's not Papy that don't care, it's that Cyrix have remained cheaper by taking short cuts and the result is poor performance in 3D ***. Why should they support non Mx Cyrix chips when even with a Voodoo II the GPL demo would run lousy anyway! Time for an upgrade buddy!

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> <snip> > % Another thing -------- I have always had better luck running the sims > % in the DOS mode ---------- > % -------- that goes for N2 -------- ICR2 ------------ and GP2 > % --------- and they worked beautifully. It seems someone at PAPY would > % wake up and smell coffee when after the two major disasters that just > % "hit" the shelves --------- > % ----------- Road to Indy --------- and MS CART ----------- that in > % GPL we would at least have an option to run the sim in DOS mode. > Well, besides the issue of DOS going the way of CP/M... I think that > Papy's sim engine required Win95. I assume that their Server/Client > engine for this sim would be more effecient and easier to program under > a multi-tasking environment than DOS. I am sure there are other reasons > why they chose Win95, but rest assured, I am happy with the performance > of their demo. Especially since I tasted first hand their efforts of a > Win95 product with ICR2 (it was frightening to think about GPL being a > Win95 product after that). But, once again I think Papy has done an > excellent job in their programming. I hardly realize I am running a > Win95 program with the GPL demo. It looks and feels like a DOS program, > and I had no trouble configuring or setting up the program.... (except > for the clean-up after the install...)

Good points Michael. Especially about the way it feels like dos ie stable, once your in. It has all the stuff of ICR2/N2 + more. The replays are looking very impressive with the in car view showing everything on the dash, etc. I just hope the final version has keyboard support in the menus - Gee I hate having to be accurate with mouse pointers!

snip I just hope the final version has keyboard A big YES from me! If they would just go back to ICR2 menus. Who needs fancy menus in a sim, give me something that gets me where I want as quick as possible. This is esp. true for sims, when you think how often you switch from the track to the garage. I gave up on using the setup menus in F1RS only because of the menu system... l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!