Papyrus -- You better put in Monaco in the final version!

No Monaco -- I don't buy this sim. Monaco is the raison d'etre of Grand Prix racing. It is the ultimate test of driving skill. There is no other track in the world like Monaco and there will be no other like it ever again period. Papyrus do not make this mistake. I can live without Indiannapolis in ICR2 but take away Monaco from me and you are not having my money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with the point of monaco needing to be in this sim (its the only track I drive on GP2 anymore) but they can still have my money even if they dont include it :-) I just had a thought, is GPL going to be released in the UK at the same time as in the states? It better be or there'll be hell to pay :) Steve

Its not there chioce. If they can't get the rights for the track, how can they make it?!? Its that simple, they of course, would love to have the track in there, but if its not possible, well, then, just live without having that track. Why is it such a bit deal? Tom Wardell http://www.geocities.com/2171/index.html On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:07:46 -0400, "Charles Mak"

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>No Monaco -- I don't buy this sim. Monaco is the raison d'etre of Grand >Prix racing. It is the ultimate test of driving skill. There is no other >track in the world like Monaco and there will be no other like it ever again >period. >Papyrus do not make this mistake. I can live without Indiannapolis in ICR2 >but take away Monaco from me and you are not having my >money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi, i can live without Monaco, but i cant live without the Nrburgring - Nordschleife :--) I have playd the demo, it looks great! A MUST HAVE!!!!

>Its not there chioce. If they can't get the rights for the track, how >can they make it?!? I don't really understan this. Every F1 sim I've ever seen (even arcaders like the Psygnosis game) have Monaco. Why can't Papyrus? And if they don't have it, will there be a replacement "fantasy" tracks with similarly difficult twists and turns, and great scenery? Or will there just be a big hole in the sim where Monaco should be? Joe

don't think they want it

On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:07:46 -0400, "Charles Mak" >No Monaco -- I don't buy this sim. Monaco is the raison d'etre of Grand >Prix racing. It is the ultimate test of driving skill. There is no other >track in the world like Monaco and there will be no other like it ever again >period. Well, nit until someone makes a race in the streets of Paris, Nice, London or any other city which has a lot of atmosphere but no circuit. You may be exaggerating Monaco's importance just a little. Cheers! John

> No Monaco -- I don't buy this sim. Your loss then, my friend. Crap! To put it politely!Monaco is the ultimate test of a driver staying awake and keeping his concentration going for the length of the race. There is a far greater test of driving skill on circuits such as the Nordschliefe Nurburgring and the original Spa Francorchamps than what Monaco provides. Thank God! If Monaco were to apply for a round of the F1 Championship now they would have a snowballs' chance in Hell of success. Even Graham Hill, who won there so often, hated the ***y place.....as did/do most drivers. Once again.......your loss. -- Bruce. (At home)

>I don't really understan this. Every F1 sim I've ever seen (even >arcaders like the Psygnosis game) have Monaco. Why can't Papyrus? >And if they don't have it, will there be a replacement "fantasy" >tracks with similarly difficult twists and turns, and great scenery? >Or will there just be a big hole in the sim where Monaco should be? If Monaco is held on public streets, why would they have to pay a licence fee to anyone to depict it in a computer game? I'm sure EA didn't pay a fee for depicting the Sydney Harbour Bridge in NFS2 for example...

>I don't really understan this. Every F1 sim I've ever seen (even >arcaders like the Psygnosis game) have Monaco. Why can't Papyrus? The other sims have got their licensing from FIA (or via FOCA) who presumably don't have any rights to many of the tracks being featured in GPL. So Papy will have to negotiate on a track by track basis and, in some cases, may find that existing licenses (those via FIA) make it difficult to obtain them. Unfortunately all this is a 'lose/lose' situation - we lose by not getting the tracks and the track owners / trademark holders lose by looking like mean spirited money grabbers with no understanding of the marketplace (e.g. Indy, Daytona). Hopefully all this will resolve itself before long and we won't find exclusive rights being granted in the future. Cheers, Richard

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> No Monaco -- I don't buy this sim. Monaco is the raison d'etre of Grand > Prix racing. It is the ultimate test of driving skill. There is no other > track in the world like Monaco and there will be no other like it ever again > period. > Papyrus do not make this mistake. I can live without Indiannapolis in ICR2 > but take away Monaco from me and you are not having my > money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here I see 2 great reasons to not include Monaco. You and it are shit and I don't want either of you*** around!

Byron, you really are getting personal with me aren't you? > Here I see 2 great reasons to not include Monaco. You and it are shit >and I don't want either of you*** around!