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Help me add a CLUTCH to my T2!!

9 posts by 7 people · 11 Apr 1998 - 17 Apr 1998

Ok, now that the worlds greatest racing sim (GPL) is coming out I finally have a reason to add a clutch pedal into that VERY vacant slot in my T2 pedal assembly. My problem is two-fold. 1) I once heard someone used a pedal from their T1 and grafted it into the T2. Is that the only sorce for parts or has someone managed to order a third pedal direct from Thrustmaster? I don't have a T1 to salvage parts from. 2) Once I secure the parts, have any of you out there successfully re-wired a T2 to include a third POT for the clutch? I've checked out Wally's World of Driving simulators (he has plans for every type of homebuilt wheel pedal combo you could think of) but unfortunately, he can't help me out with my clutch project. I would expect some of you GP2 guys have tried this seeing as that was the first sim to include clutch support. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Chris
Bill 12 Apr 1998#404381
If it helps at all, I use the rudder control on my saitek combo. I programed the controls in the game to use the right rudder as the clutch, and wow is it nice and smooth. Good luck with that.
Quoted text (7 lines)> Ok, now that the worlds greatest racing sim (GPL) is coming out I >finally have a reason to add a clutch pedal into that VERY vacant slot >in my T2 pedal assembly. My problem is two-fold. > 1) I once heard someone used a pedal from their T1 and grafted it into >the T2. Is that the only sorce for parts or has someone managed to >order a third pedal direct from Thrustmaster? I don't have a T1 to >salvage parts from.
No idea here, but I'd love to hear the results of your query. I believe the wiring will depend on the age of your T2. Mine is pretty new and has steering on the one axis of joy1, brake and throttle on the other joy1 axis. I seem to remember that some of the earlier models had brake/accel. wired to a joy2 axis. Basically, what we need to do is find a figure of the gameport's pins and wire the added pot to an unused joystick axis. I'm sure this can be found at Wally's site. I doubt that Thrustmaster included a lot of surplus leads in their cables, so it will probably be necessary to use a new cable. While I'm at it, I will also rewire gas and brake to use separate axes. After a short session of GPL, I will dissect my pedals and post new findings here. If we stay in touch, I'm sure we'll be able to customize our T2s. [later] Well, now that the parts and pieces of my T2 pedals are scattered on my desk, I can see a few problems: 1) I was right about the spare wires in the cable - there are none. 2) There is a clutch slot in the plastic cover, but no corresponding mounting holes in the metal base. A spare T2 pedal alone won't do, we'll have to some creative metal working, too. Suggestions from anyone who's been there before? -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. Uni des Saarlands \ and U.S. law. You have been warned.
Grant Reeve 15 Apr 1998#404924
Hi :) the other weekend i modified my T2 by adding a nice little switch to split the pedal axiis at will, so i can probably give some useful advice here:) I've got an older T2 though, the one that required an adapter because the pedals were on joystick2-x axis. I've also added two gearshift buttons to teh wheel, and halved the travel of the pedals for a) more realistic travel, and b) to be much kinder on the springs. > Well, now that the parts and pieces of my T2 pedals are scattered on > my desk, I can see a few problems: > 1) I was right about the spare wires in the cable - there are none. yep, a +5V wire, the joystick axis wire, and a shield. I actually did try using the shield for my second axis but that then interfered with the other axis and this was very bad!:) I actually just run an extra wire for the extra axis alongside the current cable, with lots of tape to hold the two together. You ahve to hack'n'slash into the plug at the computer end to actually add thewire though, it's a molded plug and all the wires inside are cast in some kind of soft plastic which you have to spend like hours cutting away to get to the wires you want. yeah:( i was hoping to add a pedal one day but it's way beyond me without any mounting points at all. Since i use left foot braking it would be a pain to have to use a left foot clutch too, so i was thinking of trying to add a hand clutch, ala the paddles on a GP1 wheel. but I don't have a clue how to make a hand paddle or how to mount it. there's some spare wires in the cable for the steering unit though. email me if you want to get down into the gritty technical details, i'd like to help more people get their pedals split:) it's much more realistic and feels much better when driving!:) and you can do really awesome donuts in GPL with the brake and accel down hard:) cheers, Grant.
Quoted text (10 lines)> Well, now that the parts and pieces of my T2 pedals are scattered on > my desk, I can see a few problems: > 1) I was right about the spare wires in the cable - there are none. > 2) There is a clutch slot in the plastic cover, but no corresponding > mounting holes in the metal base. A spare T2 pedal alone won't do, > we'll have to some creative metal working, too. > Suggestions from anyone who's been there before?
Wolfgang, my suggestion would be a TSW 2 which will have a clutch pedal and can even be equipped with genuine Momo pedal pads :). Trev
>> Well, now that the parts and pieces of my T2 pedals are scattered on >> my desk, I can see a few problems: >Wolfgang, my suggestion would be a TSW 2 which will have a clutch pedal >and can even be equipped with genuine Momo pedal pads :). Trev, remember what I said in another thread? "...I won't be able to afford your fine products in the near future..." or something like it. That was two or three days ago, and my financial situation hasn't changed dramatically since then. My actual road car was less expensive than a TSW (and no, it doesn't have Momo parts.) Please try again in one or two years. :) OTOH, if you're looking for an (even unpaid :) beta tester, let me know. -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. Uni des Saarlands \ and U.S. law. You have been warned.
Grant Reeve 16 Apr 1998#405111
> Buy a GP1 wheel, and use it with your T2 pedals, like I did. That way > you'll get 2 clutches! 8-) yeah that's one option i'd love to take, but unfortunately i can't really spare that amount of money :( wheels cost a huge amount more than they should, here in New Zealand. Along with cars, petrol, computers, books, etc. etc. etc. etc. i'm trying to save up to move to north america at some point, where things cost more sensible amounts, and where the internet lag is low enough that i could then race other sim ***s online! (and get a better paying job!) But it does give me the excuse to fiddle with my T2 :) splitting the pedal axiis saved any need to go buy a Nascar/Formula Pro wheel. but i broke one of the wires to my wheel-buttons last night - YET again :) Grant.
Hi Grant, I'm wondering how difficult it was just to split the pedal axis? Did you need to run any new wires into the pedals or just rewire the existing? I have replaced both pedal pots in the past and my guess would be that instead of the two pots being wired in series as they are by default you would just wire them independent +5v to each pot? Please pass on the details to the splitting process, I think splitting the two pots would eliminate much of the jumpiness I see in my pedal axis. Thanks. --John -- *kludger AT zipcon DOT com* | ICQ #7522564 contact me at: Seattle, Washington USA. | http://wwp.mirabilis.com/7522564
Alan Smi 17 Apr 1998#405285
I'll dig up the schematic for the pedal wiring for split axes and then create a file to be emailed if someone would like it. Just let me know Alan

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