GPL Crashing each time I load it

I have downloaded GPL four times today, and each time, when I start to get into the sim, the system crashes, and I am not able to enter. I finally said***THIS and uninstalled the damned thing. I will just wait for the demo to show up on a CD-ROM in a computer magazine or something. Another thing ------ It seems you have to have a FAST CPU for this thing ---------- GEEZ ----- this reminds me of MICROPROSE *** UPGRADE and spend a ton of money so you can be wowed for a while. WHY CAN"T THE BRAINS BEHIND ALL THIS STUFF JUST DESIGN SOMETHING SO EVERYONE CAN ENJOY THE SIMS -------- NOT JUST THE ONES WITHOUT FAMILIES AND A LOT OF DISPOSABLE INCOME???????? THIS ----------- is rediculous!!!!!!!! Why should we have to spend a thousand dollars every year or so to keep up with this when I am sure there is a way to make this work on machines slower than what they are saying it will. I am frustrated and fed up. This BS has to end somewhere. I have two kids and a family to support. I work for a living and hard at that --------- but I certainly don't appreciate the fact that these CHARACTERS that design this stuff keep putting it so far into HYPERSPACE that you almost have to have a leftover NASA computer to run it. There --------- I have said my peace --------- I will buy the sim ---------- but will probably have to shelve it for some time until I can afford to upgrade my system ----------- AFTER I HAVE SUPPORTED MY FAMILY FIRST!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, Ferrari makes great cars, but not every can afford them.... I'd buy one, but don't have the resources... they're not for everyone... doktorB

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>>Another thing ------ >> It seems you have to have a FAST CPU for this thing ---------- >> GEEZ ----- this reminds me of MICROPROSE *** >It reminds me of racing heaven. >> UPGRADE and spend a ton of money so you can be wowed for a while. >I plan to be wowed for years by this. >> WHY CAN"T THE BRAINS BEHIND ALL THIS STUFF JUST DESIGN SOMETHING SO >>EVERYONE CAN ENJOY THE SIMS >Everybody IS enjoying it, apparently, except you? >What's the problem? >>-------- NOT JUST THE ONES WITHOUT >>FAMILIES AND A LOT OF DISPOSABLE INCOME???????? >How much money do you need to play this free demo? >Is your system less than a P166 with a $100 3DFX card? >Why won't it run on your system? >> THIS ----------- is rediculous!!!!!!!! >This is the coolest sim of all time..... >>Why should we have to >>spend a thousand dollars every year or so to keep up with this when I >>am sure there is a way to make this work on machines slower than what >>they are saying it will. >What's the problem playing it on your current (paid-for) system? >> I am frustrated and fed up. This BS has to end somewhere. I have >>two kids and a family to support. I work for a living and hard at >>that --------- but I certainly don't appreciate the fact that these >>CHARACTERS that design this stuff keep putting it so far into >>HYPERSPACE that you almost have to have a leftover NASA computer to >>run it. >The only thing that's in Hyperspace is your *** pressure. >Why won't it run on your system? >> There --------- I have said my peace --------- I will buy the sim >Why? It won't run. >>---------- but will probably have to shelve it for some time until I >>can afford to upgrade my system ----------- >hmm.. you would BUY it, before you had a system that would RUN it? >What's wrong with this picture? BTW, why won't it run on your system? >>AFTER I HAVE SUPPORTED MY >>FAMILY FIRST!!!!!!!!!! >Did I say, WHY won't it run??

I am having same problem. Installs fine but I can't get by the controls screen. It either locks up or goes back to windows Wayne.

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> > I have downloaded GPL four times today, and each time, when I start > to > > get into the sim, the system crashes, and I am not able to enter. > > I finally said***THIS and uninstalled the damned thing. > > I will just wait for the demo to show up on a CD-ROM in a computer > > magazine or something. > > Another thing ------ > > It seems you have to have a FAST CPU for this thing ---------- > > GEEZ ----- this reminds me of MICROPROSE *** > > UPGRADE and spend a ton of money so you can be wowed for a while. > > WHY CAN"T THE BRAINS BEHIND ALL THIS STUFF JUST DESIGN SOMETHING > SO > > EVERYONE CAN ENJOY THE SIMS -------- NOT JUST THE ONES WITHOUT > > FAMILIES AND A LOT OF DISPOSABLE INCOME???????? > > THIS ----------- is rediculous!!!!!!!! Why should we have to > > spend a thousand dollars every year or so to keep up with this when > I > > am sure there is a way to make this work on machines slower than > what > > they are saying it will.

Granted this is the demo without a bunch of cars ontrack, but I'm getting very decent frame rates with a P133 and 32MB of memory. Turned off everything in the mirrors except cars, also turned off the sky. I think the game will play very well on a P200MMX with either a 3Dfx card or a Rendition, both of which you oughta be able to pick up for $50 for their 1st generation of cards by the time the game ships, or sooner (I've seen Rendition cards for $60 right now). A 200MMX is a lo-end machine these days - they're selling for $600-700. And no, I don't see how it would be possible to make a sim like GPL run on slower machines. There's a heck of a lot of math going on in this one = CPU power needed. But a P200MMX ain't too extravagant for a game's needs, they'll be less than $100 for the CPU in a coupla weeks.

I am having the same sort of problem. The demo installs fine but when I run it I get a Invalid page fault in gpl.exe from gpl. I downloaded twice and installed it 4 times. My system is a Cyrix PR200 49ram Monster3D. I know the cyrix cpu is not that great but it should still run. I also have a family to support so I upgrade mine a little at a time cpu here motherboard there. Any help would be appreciated. Jim

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>I have downloaded GPL four times today, and each time, when I start to >get into the sim, the system crashes, and I am not able to enter. >I finally said***THIS and uninstalled the damned thing. >I will just wait for the demo to show up on a CD-ROM in a computer >magazine or something. >Another thing ------ > It seems you have to have a FAST CPU for this thing ---------- >GEEZ ----- this reminds me of MICROPROSE *** > UPGRADE and spend a ton of money so you can be wowed for a while. > WHY CAN"T THE BRAINS BEHIND ALL THIS STUFF JUST DESIGN SOMETHING SO >EVERYONE CAN ENJOY THE SIMS -------- NOT JUST THE ONES WITHOUT >FAMILIES AND A LOT OF DISPOSABLE INCOME???????? > THIS ----------- is rediculous!!!!!!!! Why should we have to >spend a thousand dollars every year or so to keep up with this when I >am sure there is a way to make this work on machines slower than what >they are saying it will. > I am frustrated and fed up. This BS has to end somewhere. I have >two kids and a family to support. I work for a living and hard at >that --------- but I certainly don't appreciate the fact that these >CHARACTERS that design this stuff keep putting it so far into >HYPERSPACE that you almost have to have a leftover NASA computer to >run it. > There --------- I have said my peace --------- I will buy the sim >---------- but will probably have to shelve it for some time until I >can afford to upgrade my system ----------- AFTER I HAVE SUPPORTED MY >FAMILY FIRST!!!!!!!!!!

same goes for my installation..... I have a Cyrix 6x86 MX PR 166 , 16M , s3 V+ > > I have downloaded GPL four times today, and each time, when I start to > > get into the sim, the system crashes, and I am not able to enter. I tested the archive and it was fine .. I couldn't have said it better... not to mention that if it were for DOS it would have probably run faster .... or even run ... lol

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>I have downloaded GPL four times today, and each time, when I start to >get into the sim, the system crashes, and I am not able to enter. > THIS ----------- is rediculous!!!!!!!! Why should we have to >spend a thousand dollars every year or so to keep up with this when I >am sure there is a way to make this work on machines slower than what >they are saying it will. > I am frustrated and fed up. This BS has to end somewhere. I have >two kids and a family to support. I work for a living and hard at >that --------- but I certainly don't appreciate the fact that these >CHARACTERS that design this stuff keep putting it so far into >HYPERSPACE that you almost have to have a leftover NASA computer to >run it. > There --------- I have said my peace --------- I will buy the sim >---------- but will probably have to shelve it for some time until I >can afford to upgrade my system ----------- AFTER I HAVE SUPPORTED MY >FAMILY FIRST!!!!!!!!!!

Take a breath and calm down. I can understand your fustration at not being able to get the demo to work. Try it again,it's worth it. As for having to update again for a $1000 or so to race this fantastic sim,thats up to you. I have posted on several occasions that I was sick of having to upgrade every year just to play the latest racing sims. But the decision is yours. Right now I'm running a P166 with 48 MB of ram,a Diamond Sealth 3D 3000 graphics card and a Diamond Monster 3d accelerator card. And I can tell you that the demo runs great on my setup. I to have a family,and a house to support. And a job that requires 50-60 each week. So I all too well know about bills and scarcity of available cash for upgrades(not to mention a wife that still thinks that a 486 system is just fine). Just remember,this is susposed to be a relaxing activity to help us wind down from the days fustrations. If you can't or don't want to upgrade some,then run what you have. But you can upgrade one component at a time,and see a big difference. I'm planning on upgrading to a P233MMX cpu for $219,rather than buying a Monster 3d ll right now. I'm sure that the improvement will well be worth it. And if you need more ram,it's dirt cheap. I'll be adding more. And when the Monster 3dll comes down in price,I'll consider buying one then. good luck, Joel Willstein #20 Castrol Ford IVQ2690036

>I am having same problem. Installs fine but I can't get by the controls >screen. It either locks up or goes back to windows >Wayne. Wayne, just curious, but how can you tell the difference? ;-) hoover -- http://www.telemedia.de/~hoover ////// Phone: +49-5241-80-10-66 Best of Scottish Folk: http://dim.chemie.uni-bielefeld.de/~nsg >>> Blue Ribbon Campaign: Support Free Speech on the Internet <<<

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> THIS ----------- is rediculous!!!!!!!! Why should we have to >spend a thousand dollars every year or so to keep up with this when I >am sure there is a way to make this work on machines slower than what >they are saying it will. > I am frustrated and fed up. This BS has to end somewhere. I have >two kids and a family to support. I work for a living and hard at >that --------- but I certainly don't appreciate the fact that these >CHARACTERS that design this stuff keep putting it so far into >HYPERSPACE that you almost have to have a leftover NASA computer to >run it.

It really hurts me to read this. Are you a software engineer? How do you know there is a way to make GPL work on slower machines? Can you explain how? I am a software engineer and a former race driver, who took physics in college. In my humble opinion, Dave Kaemmer is one of the great software engineers in the world. GPL's physics engine is a software engineering marvel. It is modeling an incredible number of details, and doing so incredibly efficiently. For example, GPL models the inertia of the drivetrain components. Put the car in nuetral, foot on the brake, and rev the engine (if you don't have separate brake and gas pedal axes, park on a level space on The Long Straight, after the loop). You will see the chassis rock from side to side as you blip the throttle. This is due to the inertia of the engine and drivetrain. Now push in the clutch (keypad Del key). When you blip the throttle, the engine will reach readline a little quicker. That's because the engine now does not have to accelerate the inertia of the transmission input shaft. This kind of attention to detail permeates the physics engine. It is simply incredible. I believe that few software engineers or physicists in the world possess the combination of skills necessary to make this happen correctly. Furthermore, I believe that even fewer possess the skills to make this happen with the performance necessary to run on computers that are widely available today. Dave has worked very hard to make the GPL physics engine efficient enough to work acceptably on the machines of today, and the multitude of posts in this newsgroup show quite clearly that his efforts have been a resounding success. The amount of calculations going on in GPL every second boggles the mind. Dave completely recalculates *everything* going on in the car - drivetrain inertia, suspension movement, tire friction, tire rotating inertia, chassis movement and rotation in all three axis, on and on - two hundred and eighty-eight times a second (compared with around 30 hz for ICR2). Empirical testing showed that this was the minimum frequency necessary to avoid oscillations. Imagine the CPU power necessary to do this, even with extremely efficient code. Now add in the processing power required to construct the visual world, calculating positions of track, landscape, objects, then drawing polygons (in the case of the Voodoo Graphics and software-only implementations) and shooting everything over to the 3D card (on Rendition and Voodoo Graphics machines). Other racing sims, with far less sophisticated physics models, can devote a much greater percentage of their processor time to dealing with graphcs. GPL must belt out all the graphics in the small spaces left between the all-important physics calculations. In my humble opinion, GPL is an engineering masterpiece. GPL is far from being another GP2, which could not run well with full graphics on anything available at the time of its release and for years afterwards. GPL can run very well on an entry-level system available today for roughly $1000, with the addition of an inexpensive (under $100) Rendition 2x00 card. Even many older machines like P-133's (provided they have L2 cache) can be upgraded for a few bucks' worth of memory, a Rendition 2x00 card, and an inexpensive AMD K6-200, and they'll run GPL quite well. I find this simply amazing. How can anyone complain about this?? Instead of berating the folks at Papyrus, I say we applaud them loudly. Eagle Woman Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~alison/

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> > THIS ----------- is rediculous!!!!!!!! Why should we have to > >spend a thousand dollars every year or so to keep up with this when I > >am sure there is a way to make this work on machines slower than what > >they are saying it will. > > I am frustrated and fed up. This BS has to end somewhere. I have > >two kids and a family to support. I work for a living and hard at > >that --------- but I certainly don't appreciate the fact that these > >CHARACTERS that design this stuff keep putting it so far into > >HYPERSPACE that you almost have to have a leftover NASA computer to > >run it. > It really hurts me to read this. Are you a software engineer? How do > you know there is a way to make GPL work on slower machines? Can you > explain how?

Who would take a guy serious complaining about rising fees for his GOLF CLUB!? Running sims on PCs was, is and will always be a quite expensive hobby. If you can't afford it, play Tetris, or whatever... l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

I agree with ya all the way Alison!! I am amazed by the physics of the GPL demo, and am very pleased with the detail and good framerates I am getting. I am not and have never been a real race car driver, but I have to think nothing models it as closely and accurately as GPL does. You gotta really work the wheel, gas, and brake together constantly to get any kind of decent laps, and you'll know very quickly when you've screwed up. IMHO, racing sims just reached a new level. -- Don Burnette I-65 Racing Dburn on Ten AOLL Iroc Series Administrator http://pages.southtech.net/palmetto/aoll.htm some great material snipped > In my humble opinion, GPL is an engineering masterpiece. > GPL is far from being another GP2, which could not run well with full > graphics on anything available at the time of its release and for years > afterwards. GPL can run very well on an entry-level system available > today for roughly $1000, with the addition of an inexpensive (under > $100) Rendition 2x00 card. Even many older machines like P-133's > (provided they have L2 cache) can be upgraded for a few bucks' worth of > memory, a Rendition 2x00 card, and an inexpensive AMD K6-200, and > they'll run GPL quite well. > I find this simply amazing. > How can anyone complain about this?? Instead of berating the folks at > Papyrus, I say we applaud them loudly. > Eagle Woman > Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me. > http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~alison/

>GPL is far from being another GP2, which could not run well with full >graphics on anything available at the time of its release and for years >afterwards. GPL can run very well on an entry-level system available >today for roughly $1000, with the addition of an inexpensive (under >$100) Rendition 2x00 card. Even many older machines like P-133's You have a point, EXCEPT THAT YOU ARE DRIVING ALONE IN GPL DEMO! I can't understand how so many people here overlook this "little" detail over and over again, both when judging the game's horse power requirements and how good a driving sim it will be eventually. Even F1RS is fast and smooth on a P133/3Dfx machine if you are driving alone, and I wouldn't be surprised if GP2 was too. It's the 20+ other cars that really can destroy the frame rate for lower end machines, and it still remains to be seen if this will be the case for GPL (the game, NOT the demo).

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>You have a point, EXCEPT THAT YOU ARE DRIVING ALONE IN GPL DEMO! >I can't understand how so many people here overlook this "little" >detail over and over again, both when judging the game's horse power >requirements and how good a driving sim it will be eventually. Even >F1RS is fast and smooth on a P133/3Dfx machine if you are driving >alone, and I wouldn't be surprised if GP2 was too. >It's the 20+ other cars that really can destroy the frame rate for >lower end machines, and it still remains to be seen if this will be >the case for GPL (the game, NOT the demo).

I think many will be dissapointed with the requirements of the game when released. I predict that the MINIMUM machine spec will be a P200 and a 3Dfx or Rendition card. This won't be stated on the box, since the publishers almost always understate the spec requirements. Marc. -------- To replay via e-mail, remove "spam." from the beginning of my e-mail address (Tyring to avoid junk mail)

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> In my humble opinion, GPL is an engineering masterpiece. > GPL is far from being another GP2, which could not run well with full > graphics on anything available at the time of its release and for years > afterwards. GPL can run very well on an entry-level system available > today for roughly $1000, with the addition of an inexpensive (under > $100) Rendition 2x00 card. Even many older machines like P-133's > (provided they have L2 cache) can be upgraded for a few bucks' worth of > memory, a Rendition 2x00 card, and an inexpensive AMD K6-200, and > they'll run GPL quite well. > I find this simply amazing.

Wow! great story. I didn't know anything about this inertia-thing, and I will certainlytest this next time! Btw, I'm still indecisive about upgrading to a GPL worthy machine or buying a race-prep. engine for my roadcar, What would you do? ;-) Cheers! Harald

Unfortunately, Alison, the problem rests with those who really couldn't give a rats arse about the incredible physics that have gone into creating the "engine" for this sim. To these people, if the car cannot be driven fast, imediately, without the player having to undergo a learning process then the sim is "wrong" and Papyrus (or any developer for that matter) haven't the faintest idea of what they are on about. A friend of mine who test drives V8 Touring Cars here in Oz has stated that the "feel" of GPL is "awesome". Now, he should damn well know what he's talking about as far as I'm concerned. > A lot of good stuff that should be sent to every user of the GPL demo. --- Bruce. (At home)