GPL Demo 4/6

A playable demo of Grand Prix Legends will be available at http://www.ogr.com on Monday, April 6th. The demo will feature one track (Watkins Glen) and practice mode only. There will be no AI or multiplayer support, as the main goal of this demo is to display Papyrus' new physics engine. I will do my best to answer any demo questions posted to this forum. We have also set up an email address for tech support or compatibility Mike Lescault GPL/N3 Producer Papyrus/Sierra Sports

Will there be a Rendition version of the demo? Jim

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> A playable demo of Grand Prix Legends will be available at > http://www.ogr.com on Monday, April 6th. > The demo will feature one track (Watkins Glen) and practice mode only. > There will be no AI or multiplayer support, as the main goal of this > demo is to display Papyrus' new physics engine. > I will do my best to answer any demo questions posted to this forum. We > have also set up an email address for tech support or compatibility > Mike Lescault > GPL/N3 Producer > Papyrus/Sierra Sports

Will the demo on 4/6 have support for 3Dfx Voodoo Graphics based video cards? Thanks, Kyle > A playable demo of Grand Prix Legends will be available at > http://www.ogr.com on Monday, April 6th.

>A playable demo of Grand Prix Legends will be available at >http://www.ogr.com on Monday, April 6th. People already asked about Rendition and 3dfx modes. Let me complete this set of questions by asking: Will the demo run on non-3D-accelerated PCs? (no matter how slowly or ungainly) -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. Uni des Saarlands \ and U.S. law. You have been warned.

> People already asked about Rendition and 3dfx modes. Let me complete > this set of questions by asking: > Will the demo run on non-3D-accelerated PCs? (no matter how slowly or > ungainly) The demo will have native support for both Rendition and 3Dfx(including some voodoo II specific enhancements). There will also be a software only mode for folks without 3D accelerators, but the game is not yet optimized for software only. Thanks, -Mike

My understanding is that GPL will not run on anything less than a Pentium II 200 mhz. True or false?

what do u think

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>>My understanding is that GPL will not run on anything less than a >>Pentium II 200 mhz. >>True or false? >Who told you that? It is already well-known that you need a P2-333 and >a Voodoo2 card to run it in 15fps with minimum settings and no cars in >view.

Is everyone trying to take Marc's "Worthless font of misinformation" crown, or is starting ill-informed rumour just fun? ;-) Cheers! John

When is the full release expected. Sid.

> My understanding is that GPL will not run on anything less than a > Pentium II 200 mhz. > True or false? Is a PII200 about as fast as a iP233mmx. We don't get PII200s here in Australia :)

>My understanding is that GPL will not run on anything less than a >Pentium II 200 mhz. >True or false? Who told you that? It is already well-known that you need a P2-333 and a Voodoo2 card to run it in 15fps with minimum settings and no cars in view. *** http://www.netlife.fi/users/ttammi/

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>>My understanding is that GPL will not run on anything less than a >>Pentium II 200 mhz. >>True or false? >Who told you that? It is already well-known that you need a P2-333 and >a Voodoo2 card to run it in 15fps with minimum settings and no cars in >view.

I sure hope you're being sarcastic, because if you're not you must be smoking crack. I know for a fact that a person will get good performance from the soon to be released GPL demo on a p-133 with a normal Voodoo card or any flavor of Rendition board. Chris "I died for you... Now why shouldn't you return the favor?" -Deathdream --Horrornews--Horrorchat--Reviews--General filth-- Mortado's Page of Filth http://www.nwlink.com/~mortado/

>A playable demo of Grand Prix Legends will be available at >http://www.ogr.com on Monday, April 6th. I guess that this URL will be practically unreachable for a week from now on, since everybody will want to download the demo (including me, of course :) Are there any mirror sites (gpl.gamestats.com will have it, I understand), and will the usual suspects (SRN, USpits etc.) be allowed to make the demo available on their sites? -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. Uni des Saarlands \ and U.S. law. You have been warned.

I seem to remember not long ago, the Nascar2 demo being released only at allgames.com I also remember the server receiving about 4 hits a second until the whole thing crumbled. Lets hope this doesn't happen again.

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>>A playable demo of Grand Prix Legends will be available at >>http://www.ogr.com on Monday, April 6th. >I guess that this URL will be practically unreachable for a week from >now on, since everybody will want to download the demo (including me, >of course :) >Are there any mirror sites (gpl.gamestats.com will have it, I >understand), and will the usual suspects (SRN, USpits etc.) be allowed >to make the demo available on their sites? >-- >Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are

welcome. >Uni des Saarlands \ and U.S. law. You have been warned.

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>>>My understanding is that GPL will not run on anything less than a >>>Pentium II 200 mhz. >>>True or false? >>Who told you that? It is already well-known that you need a P2-333 and >>a Voodoo2 card to run it in 15fps with minimum settings and no cars in >>view. >Is everyone trying to take Marc's "Worthless font of misinformation" >crown, or is starting ill-informed rumour just fun? ;-) >Cheers! >John

Nah, it's going to take a PII 400 Mhz Peltier cooled (cooked?) processor, 256 Meg memory, and a 4 Gig HDD. Don't even ask about which video board will be required, but you can forget getting that new car after you see the cost! (The above comment is humorous, for those who are a bit too dense). Robino

Is it true that some company would make a minimum system requirement that woule -require- you to -underclock- your CPU? I don't think so. There is no such thing as a PentiumII 200. The PentiumII line starts at 233. I could see the game requiring a Pentium 200 as the baseline.

Ahhhh, I never knew Microsoft was making GPL. In that case, does anyone know where I can buy a Merced? :) Marc. -------- To replay via e-mail, remove "spam." from the beginning of my e-mail address (Tyring to avoid junk mail)

> >A playable demo of Grand Prix Legends will be available at > >http://www.ogr.com on Monday, April 6th. > I guess that this URL will be practically unreachable for a week from > now on, since everybody will want to download the demo (including me, > of course :) Ogr.com has the exclusive rights to release the demo for all of Monday. (On Tuesday everyone else should have it.) However, in the event that there is a bottleneck and people are unable to download the demo from ogr.com, we will have to release the demo to other sites. I have been trying to contact a few sites to set up a "GPL Demo Emergency Back-up System"; sites that will post the demo in the likely event that ogr.com becomes overwhelmed. If anyone would like to offer their site as an alternative source for the demo, please email me at my aol address. (remove <nospam>) Thanks, -Mike

I have already prepared a download server for the GPL demo at http://gpl.gamestats.com so hopefully it should be pretty easy going! Just keep checking the site because the magic day is coming very soon!!! :-) Thanks John

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> I seem to remember not long ago, the Nascar2 demo being released only at >allgames.com I also remember the server receiving about 4 hits a second >until the whole thing crumbled. Lets hope this doesn't happen again. > > >> >>>A playable demo of Grand Prix Legends will be available at >>>http://www.ogr.com on Monday, April 6th. >> >>I guess that this URL will be practically unreachable for a week from >>now on, since everybody will want to download the demo (including me, >>of course :) >> >>Are there any mirror sites (gpl.gamestats.com will have it, I >>understand), and will the usual suspects (SRN, USpits etc.) be allowed >>to make the demo available on their sites? >> >>-- >>Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are >welcome. >>[email hidden] \ Spam (UCE) is not welcome and prohibited by

German >>Uni des Saarlands \ and U.S. law. You have been warned. > >

Ahhhh, I absolutely despise it when demos are "exclusive" to one site! This is the worst possible thing you can do for the end user when releasing a demo. Kyle

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> Ogr.com has the exclusive rights to release the demo for all of Monday. > (On Tuesday everyone else should have it.) However, in the event that > there is a bottleneck and people are unable to download the demo from > ogr.com, we will have to release the demo to other sites. > I have been trying to contact a few sites to set up a "GPL Demo > Emergency Back-up System"; sites that will post the demo in the likely > event that ogr.com becomes overwhelmed. If anyone would like to offer > their site as an alternative source for the demo, please email me at my > aol address.

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> >My understanding is that GPL will not run on anything less than a > >Pentium II 200 mhz. > >True or false? > Who told you that? It is already well-known that you need a P2-333 and > a Voodoo2 card to run it in 15fps with minimum settings and no cars in > view.

Well that's that. As great as GPL is touted to be I can't afford the $1600.00 price tag to run it at minimum levels ( and FPS ). I guess we dinosaurs running the ancient P5 166mhz with 64 meg ram , Stealth II 220 are just S#%^ out of luck. If I were to by a new top line PC my expectations would be unrealistically high and I'd end up with a huge case of buyers remorse. Even GPL will have it's short comings...( All sims do...NO EXCEPTIONS ). I'm not complaining ( just whining like a pathetic... ;-) )...after all technology marches on and new sims SHOULD be developed with the latest and greatest PC's in mind. It's just a tad frustrating to have an obsolete 3 yr old PC. Well thank goodness for the Sim Project, The Pits and others who keep " Old " sims like ICR2 alive !!! Steve at RXspeed7 racing Visit the RXspeed7 page at... http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/7177/index.html

>Nah, it's going to take a PII 400 Mhz Peltier cooled (cooked?) > processor, 256 Meg memory, and a 4 Gig HDD. Don't even ask about > which video board will be required, but you can forget getting that > new car after you see the cost! It may still be a bit jerky even with all graphics and sound turned off... I'd recommend a Daystrom M-5 series with human memory engrams impressed upon the microchips , powered by a quantum singularity ( Warp core from romulan warship should suffice ). At least that will get you up to 15 fps with MOST of the eye candy turned on....Of course the latest certified drivers will be needed. ( available for download at the nearest federation starbase );-) I don't get it !!!.......uhhh......oh yeah......OK.....hey wait I'm being serious.......=-) Steve at RXspeed7 racing Visit the RXspeed7 page at... http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/7177/index.html

I see Papyrus is taking the customer support one step further and you can be sure you'll hear from me, Mike. I have very large expectations on this title and I will do my best to help you make it even better :o). /Christer, watching Papyrus passing Mr Crammond

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> A playable demo of Grand Prix Legends will be available at > http://www.ogr.com on Monday, April 6th. > The demo will feature one track (Watkins Glen) and practice mode only. > There will be no AI or multiplayer support, as the main goal of this > demo is to display Papyrus' new physics engine. > I will do my best to answer any demo questions posted to this forum. We > have also set up an email address for tech support or compatibility > Mike Lescault > GPL/N3 Producer > Papyrus/Sierra Sports

RaiderZone001

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>> >My understanding is that GPL will not run on anything less than a >> >Pentium II 200 mhz. >> >True or false? > Well that's that. As great as GPL is touted to be I can't afford the >$1600.00 price tag to run it at minimum levels ( and FPS ). I guess we >dinosaurs running the ancient P5 166mhz with 64 meg ram , Stealth II 220 >are just S#%^ out of luck. If I were to by a new top line PC my >expectations would be unrealistically high and I'd end up with a huge case >of buyers remorse. Even GPL will have it's short comings...( All sims >do...NO EXCEPTIONS ). I'm not complaining ( just whining like a >pathetic... ;-) )...after all technology marches on and new sims SHOULD be >developed with the latest and greatest PC's in mind. It's just a tad >frustrating to have an obsolete 3 yr old PC. Well thank goodness for the >Sim Project, The Pits and others who keep " Old " sims like ICR2 alive >!!!

` No !!!!! Mark Fahrenkrug said about nothing when he invented that GP-Legends wouldn't run on PC less than a PII 200mhz (doesn't exist). As I recall, you will be able to run it very good on a simple P166 a Rendition board. Well, you will find the answer tomorrow, but I don't know why did the guy invented the sentence! <g> Oh and for the moment, the short comings of GP-L are nothing compared to what other titles have. It's 90% flawless ;-) . Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking) --"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

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> >My understanding is that GPL will not run on anything less than a > >Pentium II 200 mhz. > >True or false? > Who told you that? It is already well-known that you need a P2-333 and > a Voodoo2 card to run it in 15fps with minimum settings and no cars in > view.

Are you lot trying to say that the AVI was recorded at the exact same frame rate as the game was running? Even if it was, it was running with a V1000 card anyway so a Voodoo II should fix it. I hear a 233mmx and Voodoo 1 hit the 36 fps ceiling (assuming this is the ceiling if there is one)

On Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:39:59 -0700, RaiderZone001

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>>Nah, it's going to take a PII 400 Mhz Peltier cooled (cooked?) >> processor, 256 Meg memory, and a 4 Gig HDD. Don't even ask about >> which video board will be required, but you can forget getting that >> new car after you see the cost! > It may still be a bit jerky even with all graphics and sound turned off... >I'd recommend a Daystrom M-5 series with human memory engrams impressed upon >the microchips , powered by a quantum singularity ( Warp core from romulan >warship should suffice ). At least that will get you up to 15 fps with MOST >of the eye candy turned on....Of course the latest certified drivers will be >needed. ( available for download at the nearest federation starbase );-)

Cool!! Can I get that in an AT format motherboard, or is it ATX only? I was being seriously humorous. Robino

You gotta be shittin'!!!!!!!!

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>>My understanding is that GPL will not run on anything less than a >>Pentium II 200 mhz. >>True or false? >Who told you that? It is already well-known that you need a P2-333 and >a Voodoo2 card to run it in 15fps with minimum settings and no cars in >view. >*** >http://www.netlife.fi/users/ttammi/

Got the demo. Very nice! It's a trip getting launched into the air!! On nice touch I noticed is when watching myself nail a hay bail in the instant replay through the "roll bar" cam, the camera went dead (fuzzy off-the-air- snow screen) when the car rolled over on it's top. Cool! This has got to be the most awesome race sim I have had the pleasure to drive. When I was a kid in the 60's I watched a lot of these cars on ABC's Wide World of Sports on saturday afternoons. Those were the days man... I can't tell you how happy I am that somebody made a sim from this era. Thanks Sierra!! Most awesome.

There's a bunch of mirrors.

On Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:16:03 -0700, RaiderZone001 > Well that's that. As great as GPL is touted to be I can't afford the >$1600.00 price tag to run it at minimum levels ( and FPS ). I guess we >dinosaurs running the ancient P5 166mhz with 64 meg ram , Stealth II 220 >are just S#%^ out of luck. Isn't a Stealth II a V2x00 card? If so, make sure you have "Rendition" selected as your graphics option, quit out and restart - framerates should be fine. If not, P200MMX chips are practically given free with each packet of wheatie-flakes, and a 3dFX board is $100 or so. Either or both of these will run GPL very smoothly and give you $1,400 change from your $1,600. Cheers! John

> Isn't a Stealth II a V2x00 card? If so, make sure you have "Rendition" > selected as your graphics option, quit out and restart - framerates > should be fine. If not, P200MMX chips are practically given free with > each packet of wheatie-flakes, and a 3dFX board is $100 or so. Either > or both of these will run GPL very smoothly and give you $1,400 change > from your $1,600. Well silly me . GPL works just fine on my system as it is. Papy has done it again. multiple 3d support. I just select Rendition and away I go. I haven't checked my frame rates yet because I've been too busy trying to get 'round without ending up on my head in turn 3 :-))) Seems to me that this thing runs quite smoothly in Rendition mode. I'd be curious to know what the 3dfx guys think and if one mode is substantially better than the other ? Steve at RXspeed7 racing Visit the RXspeed7 page at... [link lost in import]

I have a P166, Sound Blaster 16, 64 meg of RAM, a Monster 3dfx, and that small demo of a game called GPL (a racing sim, I think) =)))) and everything is ok! My frame rate is decent, as good as Nascar 2. Maybe because I'm running the demo in Win95 and not some pre-alpha version of Win98! Philippe Sergerie

I'm running the game with a P133 and 32MB ram, also Monster 3D...I know the min requirements say P166..but everything seems ok..runs fine. Do you think I'll be able to ryn the full game with my P133?..Is this an indication of what the min requirements for Nascar3 will be?

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>I have a P166, Sound Blaster 16, 64 meg of RAM, a Monster 3dfx, and >that small demo of a game called GPL (a racing sim, I think) =)))) and >everything is ok! My frame rate is decent, as good as Nascar 2. Maybe >because I'm running the demo in Win95 and not some pre-alpha version of >Win98! >Philippe Sergerie

On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 14:03:46 -0700, RaiderZone001

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>> Isn't a Stealth II a V2x00 card? If so, make sure you have "Rendition" >> selected as your graphics option, quit out and restart - framerates >> should be fine. If not, P200MMX chips are practically given free with >> each packet of wheatie-flakes, and a 3dFX board is $100 or so. Either >> or both of these will run GPL very smoothly and give you $1,400 change >> from your $1,600. > Well silly me . GPL works just fine on my system as it is. Papy has done it >again. multiple 3d support. I just select Rendition and away I go. I haven't >checked my frame rates yet because I've been too busy trying to get 'round >without ending up on my head in turn 3 :-))) Seems to me that this thing runs >quite smoothly in Rendition mode. I'd be curious to know what the 3dfx guys >think and if one mode is substantially better than the other ? >Steve at RXspeed7 racing

I have a 4MB Voodoo1, a Stealth 2, and a K6-233. I much prefer Rendition mode at 800x600 w/antialiasing to 3DFX mode. The sim looks better (not so blurry textures, etc) and actually runs smoother. Using the 3DFX, I notice a bit of stutter around the last corner occasionally (though barely perceptible). However I have yet to see the framerate even think about faltering with the Rendition--steady as a rock in or out of the***pit anyplace on the track. Of course the real test will be when there's a full deck of cars in front of me, but we'll have to wait on Papy for a bit longer for that. This is definitely a game I will purchase ASAP (along with Comanche Gold <drool...>)! Darin