3Dfx - Not impressed.

I just bought a Canopus Pure 3D card to help with CPR and F1RS. It's still slow and choppy. I have a Cyrix 166+ with 32Mb of RAM and an origional Matrox Millennium with 2Mb. I downloaded the first CPR patch but it's still slow. I don't think that F1RS will be any better. I don't think it's the card because it's great with NHL98, but I mainly bought for racing sims.Everyone has said that a 3Dfx card is one of the best computer upgrades around. Right now a faster modem sounds much more pleasurable. Am I doing something wrong? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Rod

Your CPU (Cyrix 166+) is the culprit here. They are nortorious for bad FPU performance. Games need all the FPU performance it can get. I had very good speeds with F1RS with my Intel P133. You may want to turn down a few graphic settings to get as much push as possible. Are you overclocking your Canopus card? You should get away with clocking it to 57. Depending on the ventilation in your PC case, you may be able to run it at 60. This will increase the frame rates a few notches. Marc. -------- To replay via e-mail, remove "spam." from the beginning of my e-mail address (Tyring to avoid junk mail)

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> I just bought a Canopus Pure 3D card to help with CPR and F1RS. It's still slow > and choppy. I have a Cyrix 166+ with 32Mb of RAM and an origional Matrox > Millennium with 2Mb. I downloaded the first CPR patch but it's still slow. I > don't think that F1RS will be any better. I don't think it's the card because > it's great with NHL98, but I mainly bought for racing sims.Everyone has said > that a 3Dfx card is one of the best computer upgrades around. Right now a > faster modem sounds much more pleasurable. Am I doing something wrong? Any help > would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Rod

Rod, although the Cyrix chip is not the FPU king of the known world, you should get pretty decent framerates on normal 3dfx sims with the Canopus card. I believe in your case the culprit is CPR. That game (I won't call it a sim) needs a Cray supercomputer to run fast and it still won't run right. F1RS is like night and day, CPR is not even in the same catagory. I would try F1RS, I'd bet you would get pretty decent framerate and of course the sim is an absolute hoot, a real pleasure to drive. All the best, Mike -- Michael S. Davis Creative Media-Works Computer/Audio/Video Convergence "from Creative minds spring Creative solutions." http://www.creativemedia-works.com

> > I just bought a Canopus Pure 3D card to help with CPR and F1RS. It's still slow > > and choppy. I have a Cyrix 166+ with 32Mb of RAM and an origional Matrox > > Millennium with 2Mb. I downloaded the first CPR patch but it's still slow. I > > don't think that F1RS will be any better. I don't think it's the card because > > it's great with NHL98, but I mainly bought for racing sims.Everyone has said > > that a 3Dfx card is one of the best computer upgrades around. Right now a > > faster modem sounds much more pleasurable. Am I doing something wrong? Any help > > would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Rod Hi Rod, I also have a Canopus and get great fps in both sims. Make sure your Canopus is being used by going anywhere on your desktop right clic then properties. Clic on the Pure 3D tab the clic on advanced. Make sure the box with use Pure 3D as primary 3D device is checked. I dont know the fps I am getting in F1rs is as there is no way to check but I would guess 30+ fps. In CPR at a track like Cleveland I am way over 40 fps. In fact if I use my STB AGP D3D for CPR I have even gotten 62 fps and have the BMP to prove it. This though is on my 233 PII with 64 MB Sdram. If you still have trouble you can E-mail me and we can try to sort it out ok? Cya, Mike

>I just bought a Canopus Pure 3D card to help with CPR and F1RS. It's not the card, CPR is just a very slow performer. Joe

CPR runs like a slug anyway And having a Cyrix doesnt help things. Get yourself a genuine Pentium (or AMD) to improve things. F1RS will run much better than CPR even with a Cyrix.... -- Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo - - V8Supercars - CART -

I think your Cyrix chip is your problem! I have heard not one good thing about them. AMD K6's are awesome and very inexpensive. They run everything I have great (LOTS of games, including Janes F-15 with Voodoo1 of course). Mine is a 166 MMX overclocked to 225 and it's fantastic for games... Pete

A couple of obvous things here. CPR is a D3D game, and yes the Canopus can do D3d but it's real strength is in the Glide proprietary format or Open GL. So CPR may not make the best use of your new card. F1rs was coded for the 3dfx so 1st make sure your are choosing the f1rs icon and not the d3d. Other things to consider, make sure you don't have other programs running in the background. cntrl alt del are the keys press and check what is running shut down all but the explorere. Good luck there are several folks here who have your card they might help. dave henrie

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> I just bought a Canopus Pure 3D card to help with CPR and F1RS. It's still slow > and choppy. I have a Cyrix 166+ with 32Mb of RAM and an origional Matrox > Millennium with 2Mb. I downloaded the first CPR patch but it's still slow. I > don't think that F1RS will be any better. I don't think it's the card because > it's great with NHL98, but I mainly bought for racing sims.Everyone has said > that a 3Dfx card is one of the best computer upgrades around. Right now a > faster modem sounds much more pleasurable. Am I doing something wrong? Any help > would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Rod

Well Byron, Thats with everything on except smoke, Sky, shadows ok? Just out of curiousity who drives with no***pit?

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> > > I just bought a Canopus Pure 3D card to help with CPR and F1RS. It's > still slow > > > and choppy. I have a Cyrix 166+ with 32Mb of RAM and an origional > Matrox > > > Millennium with 2Mb. I downloaded the first CPR patch but it's still > slow. I > > > don't think that F1RS will be any better. I don't think it's the card > because > > > it's great with NHL98, but I mainly bought for racing sims.Everyone > has said > > > that a 3Dfx card is one of the best computer upgrades around. Right now > a > > > faster modem sounds much more pleasurable. Am I doing something wrong? > Any help > > > would be appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > > Rod > Hi Rod, > I also have a Canopus and get great fps in both sims. > Make sure your Canopus is being used by going anywhere on your > desktop right clic then properties. Clic on the Pure 3D tab the clic > on advanced. Make sure the box with use Pure 3D as primary 3D > device is checked. I dont know the fps I am getting in F1rs is as there > is no way to check but I would guess 30+ fps. In CPR at a track like > Cleveland I am way over 40 fps. In fact if I use my STB AGP D3D for > CPR I have even gotten 62 fps and have the BMP to prove it. This > though is on my 233 PII with 64 MB Sdram. If you still have trouble > you can E-mail me and we can try to sort it out ok? > Cya, Mike

I asked you this before and I ask again. 40fps with or without ***pit?

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> > > > I just bought a Canopus Pure 3D card to help with CPR and F1RS. It's > > still slow > > > > and choppy. I have a Cyrix 166+ with 32Mb of RAM and an origional > > Matrox > > > > Millennium with 2Mb. I downloaded the first CPR patch but it's still > > slow. I > > > > don't think that F1RS will be any better. I don't think it's the card > > because > > > > it's great with NHL98, but I mainly bought for racing sims.Everyone > > has said > > > > that a 3Dfx card is one of the best computer upgrades around. Right now > > a > > > > faster modem sounds much more pleasurable. Am I doing something wrong? > > Any help > > > > would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rod > > Hi Rod, > > I also have a Canopus and get great fps in both sims. > > Make sure your Canopus is being used by going anywhere on your > > desktop right clic then properties. Clic on the Pure 3D tab the clic > > on advanced. Make sure the box with use Pure 3D as primary 3D > > device is checked. I dont know the fps I am getting in F1rs is as there > > is no way to check but I would guess 30+ fps. In CPR at a track like > > Cleveland I am way over 40 fps. In fact if I use my STB AGP D3D for > > CPR I have even gotten 62 fps and have the BMP to prove it. This > > though is on my 233 PII with 64 MB Sdram. If you still have trouble > > you can E-mail me and we can try to sort it out ok? > > Cya, Mike > I asked you this before and I ask again. 40fps with or without >***pit?

And yet again no reply! I take it the answer is no***pit which is consistant with your habbit of misleading people about CPR. -- We are the Hosh! You will be assimilated! Lower your defences and surrender! Your technological and biological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Your culture will be adapted to service us. Resistance is futile. Have a nice &*($ing day!

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> I just bought a Canopus Pure 3D card to help with CPR and F1RS. It's still slow > and choppy. I have a Cyrix 166+ with 32Mb of RAM and an origional Matrox > Millennium with 2Mb. I downloaded the first CPR patch but it's still slow. I > don't think that F1RS will be any better. I don't think it's the card because > it's great with NHL98, but I mainly bought for racing sims.Everyone has said > that a 3Dfx card is one of the best computer upgrades around. Right now a > faster modem sounds much more pleasurable. Am I doing something wrong? Any help > would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Rod

Well, I've never seen CPR with or without 3DFX, so I cannot comment on that. However, the fact that you had to download a patch indicates that the game wasn't originally designed for the Voodoo Card. NHL98 is designed for 3D accelerators including 3DFX. I have a similar setup to yours, a Pentium 200MMX, Millenium 2, Pure 3D.. All of the games I have played, played well. Frame Rates increased dramatically. What API is the CPR game using? Direct 3D, OpenGL, 3DFX's Glide? -- Please respond by E-mail. This newsgroup is hard to keep up with. - Jeff D. Garant - Ford Motor Credit - Systems Analyst -

Actually the ONLY 3D accelerator NHL'98 runs on is a 3Dfx Voodoo/Voodoo Rush/ Voodoo2. The way you stated it may lead others to believe that it may run on non-Voodoo cards. CPR is using Direct3D. Marc. -------- To replay via e-mail, remove "spam." from the beginning of my e-mail address (Tyring to avoid junk mail)

> I think your Cyrix chip is your problem! I have heard not one good thing > about them. AMD K6's are awesome and very inexpensive. They run everything > I have great (LOTS of games, including Janes F-15 with Voodoo1 of course). > Mine is a 166 MMX overclocked to 225 and it's fantastic for games... > Pete How do you manage to run it that high? I've got mine overclocked to 187.5 (2.5 x 75 MHz bus speed), and it seems a bit warm for comfort. -- Mike Koenecke to reply, change "nowhere" to "***ramp"

> > I asked you this before and I ask again. 40fps with or without > >***pit? > And yet again no reply! I take it the answer is no***pit which is > consistant with your habbit of misleading people about CPR. Actually Byron I did reply you seem to have a newsreader ISP problem. Once again I said I run all details except, sky, smoke & steering wheel. Those are just personal preferences. I get just as good fps either way in D3D I average low 30s with sky 40s without the steering & smoke seem to not make a difference ok? I always use a***pit. Face it Byron why do you even ask? You only want to charge up your flame thrower right? I never mislead anyone about CPR. I have always said I liked it and thats all period. For the record my favorite sim still is GP2 ok? All my problems dealing with you have stemmed from my opinion that it is all right to like CPR thats all. Hope you actually get to see this.