NR2003: missing qualifying times

Hi all, Using the patched version of NR2003, has anyone else here noticed that on some occasions your 2nd qualifying lap isn't recorded for posterity? Just did a Texas run and I noticed that the 2nd lap didn't show up on the F2 screen after I crossed the S/F line, despite it being quicker than the first qualy lap. I had already been slightly suspicious that NR2003 was overlooking some of my qualy laps so I checked once I was back at the main race screen. The 2nd lap DID SHOW as being there when compared against all other drivers, so I was on poll, but when I checked for my own INDIVIDUAL laps it only showed the first lap as being listed. No problem I thought and merrily had the race. Afterwards, however, I then checked my lap records page, only to find that, despite being quicker than anything else I had done previously, there had been no update to my qualy lap record for that track. Now, like I say, I've been a little suspicious that this was happening without having any solid evidence. I have now been able to see that there is indeed a problem. This was done as a 'first attempt'. I had not need to restart qualifying at all. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes

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>Hi all, > > >Now, like I say, I've been a little suspicious that this was happening >without having any solid evidence. I have now been able to see that >there is indeed a problem. This was done as a 'first attempt'. I had >not need to restart qualifying at all.

Sorry to be the first to follow-up on my o/p, but the same thing's just happened at Martinsville. 2nd lap gave me poll, but was not stored as new PB for qualifying. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Peter > Ives <[email hidden]> writes >>Hi all, >> >> >>Now, like I say, I've been a little suspicious that this was happening >>without having any solid evidence. I have now been able to see that >>there is indeed a problem. This was done as a 'first attempt'. I had >>not need to restart qualifying at all. > > Sorry to be the first to follow-up on my o/p, but the same thing's just > happened at Martinsville. 2nd lap gave me poll, but was not stored as > new PB for qualifying.

How are you exiting the qualifying? Do you hit escape and exit that way or wait for the sim to pull you off the track? dh

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes

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>Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> In article <[email hidden]>, >Peter >> Ives <[email hidden]> writes >>>Hi all, >>> >>> >>>Now, like I say, I've been a little suspicious that this was happening >>>without having any solid evidence. I have now been able to see that >>>there is indeed a problem. This was done as a 'first attempt'. I had >>>not need to restart qualifying at all. >> >> Sorry to be the first to follow-up on my o/p, but the same thing's just >> happened at Martinsville. 2nd lap gave me poll, but was not stored as >> new PB for qualifying. > > How are you exiting the qualifying? Do you hit escape and exit that >way or wait for the sim to pull you off the track? > >dh

Wait for sim to pull me off. Normally its only a few seconds after I've crossed the S/F line after qual lap 2. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

Oh well, guess I must be the only one who's having this problem. It's not a major pain, so I'll live with it. In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes

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>Hi all, > >Using the patched version of NR2003, has anyone else here noticed that >on some occasions your 2nd qualifying lap isn't recorded for posterity? >Just did a Texas run and I noticed that the 2nd lap didn't show up on >the F2 screen after I crossed the S/F line, despite it being quicker >than the first qualy lap. > >I had already been slightly suspicious that NR2003 was overlooking some >of my qualy laps so I checked once I was back at the main race screen. >The 2nd lap DID SHOW as being there when compared against all other >drivers, so I was on poll, but when I checked for my own INDIVIDUAL laps >it only showed the first lap as being listed. > >No problem I thought and merrily had the race. Afterwards, however, I >then checked my lap records page, only to find that, despite being >quicker than anything else I had done previously, there had been no >update to my qualy lap record for that track. > >Now, like I say, I've been a little suspicious that this was happening >without having any solid evidence. I have now been able to see that >there is indeed a problem. This was done as a 'first attempt'. I had >not need to restart qualifying at all.

-- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Oh well, guess I must be the only one who's having this problem. It's >not a major pain, so I'll live with it. > >In article <[email hidden]>, Peter >Ives <[email hidden]> writes >>Hi all, >> >>Using the patched version of NR2003, has anyone else here noticed that >>on some occasions your 2nd qualifying lap isn't recorded for posterity? >>Just did a Texas run and I noticed that the 2nd lap didn't show up on >>the F2 screen after I crossed the S/F line, despite it being quicker >>than the first qualy lap.

I wouldn't know - my 2nd lap always seems to be *slower* than my first... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

> Oh well, guess I must be the only one who's having this problem. It's > not a major pain, so I'll live with it. Happens here too. I get placed properly though, so it's not a huge concern. Plus, my top lap times are rarely on a qualifying run, and on NASCAR Rank, I only look at the overall times. Alan

In article <uYpec.50642$[email hidden]>, Alan Le <[email hidden]> writes

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>> Oh well, guess I must be the only one who's having this problem. It's >> not a major pain, so I'll live with it. > >Happens here too. I get placed properly though, so it's not a huge >concern. Plus, my top lap times are rarely on a qualifying run, and on >NASCAR Rank, I only look at the overall times. >

Thought it couldn't JUST be me. :) Doesn't happen all the time either. Just sporadically. Last 2 qualy runs were fine. Wonder if it is only peculiar to certain tracks? -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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> In article <uYpec.50642$[email hidden]>, Alan Le > <[email hidden]> writes >>> Oh well, guess I must be the only one who's having this problem. It's >>> not a major pain, so I'll live with it. >> >>Happens here too. I get placed properly though, so it's not a huge >>concern. Plus, my top lap times are rarely on a qualifying run, and on >>NASCAR Rank, I only look at the overall times. >> > Thought it couldn't JUST be me. :) Doesn't happen all the time either. > Just sporadically. Last 2 qualy runs were fine. Wonder if it is only > peculiar to certain tracks?

I just did some TPTCC laps at Dave Noonan's Road Atlanta...My 2nd Q lap was my faster time, but it did not show on the title screens for my personal best. However, the faster time was recorded properly in the qualifying standings so I started in the correct position in the field. This was a GPL converted track, so I guess we need to verify if this behaivor affects the default Nextel tracks or just 3rd party efforts. dave henrie (can somebody explain the proper use of affect and effect...I have NO CLUE which one to use any more.)<mush in the ol brainpan I guess>

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes

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>Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> In article <uYpec.50642$[email hidden]>, >Alan Le >> <[email hidden]> writes >>>> Oh well, guess I must be the only one who's having this problem. It's >>>> not a major pain, so I'll live with it. >>> >>>Happens here too. I get placed properly though, so it's not a huge >>>concern. Plus, my top lap times are rarely on a qualifying run, and on >>>NASCAR Rank, I only look at the overall times. >>> >> Thought it couldn't JUST be me. :) Doesn't happen all the time either. >> Just sporadically. Last 2 qualy runs were fine. Wonder if it is only >> peculiar to certain tracks? > > > I just did some TPTCC laps at Dave Noonan's Road Atlanta...My 2nd Q >lap >was my faster time, but it did not show on the title screens for my >personal best. However, the faster time was recorded properly in the >qualifying standings so I started in the correct position in the field. >This was a GPL converted track, so I guess we need to verify if this >behaivor affects the default Nextel tracks or just 3rd party efforts. > >dave henrie

Well I only have the original tracks. No add-on tracks as yet. >(can somebody explain the proper use of affect and effect...I have NO >CLUE >which one to use any more.)<mush in the ol brainpan I guess> You look for effects. When you mess with something your affect it. :) -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

I suggest you change the lap callout to mph instead of time. Most people do that anyway, and I have never had "missing" qualifying times with MPH callouts. Maybe it's just some flukey thing related to the type of callout? Just a suggestion... Gil

In article <[email hidden]>, Gil Violette <[email hidden]> writes >I suggest you change the lap callout to mph instead of time. Most >people do that anyway, and I have never had "missing" qualifying times >with MPH callouts. Maybe it's just some flukey thing related to the >type of callout? Just a suggestion... > Interesting... Must admit, I do have lap callouts set to time. That's how I like it. May give it a try, just to test. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Gil Violette) writes: >I suggest you change the lap callout to mph instead of time. Most >people do that anyway, and I have never had "missing" qualifying times >with MPH callouts. Maybe it's just some flukey thing related to the >type of callout? Just a suggestion... > I would think that most 'roadies' have it set for time, as that's what they're used to. I know that I have it set that way, as do several others in my leagues. Although like I said earlier my second lap is always slower, so I can't tell if it would work anyway. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

That seems odd. I can't think of a reason (apart from possibly poor driving) that your second lap would be slower - it takes a good 1-1/2 to 2 laps to get the car up to maximum speed. Usually this happens in the straightaway on the second qualifying lap. Most of my qualifying runs, the second lap is at least 1 mph faster than the first lap. Gil

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> That seems odd. I can't think of a reason (apart from possibly poor > driving) that your second lap would be slower - it takes a good 1-1/2 > to 2 laps to get the car up to maximum speed. Usually this happens in > the straightaway on the second qualifying lap. > > Most of my qualifying runs, the second lap is at least 1 mph faster > than the first lap. > > Gil >

Eldred is mainly a road course racer Gil. So the posibility of driver mistakes increase with each lap. :) At least that is the way it is with me, the more laps I make, the more mistakes creep in. I 'think' that cold tires in Nascar 2k3 are not a slipperly as unheated tires in real world series. I've seen CART races where Rabbits are passed by turtles just because the rabbit is fresh out of the pits on cold tires and even the slowest (yes YOU Jeff Boss) can pass some of the fastest. I'm not saying Nr2k3 doesn't portray cold tires, just they don't seem to be as extreme as some real world situations. dave henrie

In article <[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes

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>[email hidden] (Gil Violette) wrote in >news:[email hidden]: > >> That seems odd. I can't think of a reason (apart from possibly poor >> driving) that your second lap would be slower - it takes a good 1-1/2 >> to 2 laps to get the car up to maximum speed. Usually this happens in >> the straightaway on the second qualifying lap. >> >> Most of my qualifying runs, the second lap is at least 1 mph faster >> than the first lap. >> >> Gil >> > > Eldred is mainly a road course racer Gil. So the posibility of driver >mistakes increase with each lap. :) At least that is the way it is with >me, the more laps I make, the more mistakes creep in.

But don't the road courses have just 1 qualy lap anyway? 8-}

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>I 'think' that cold >tires in Nascar 2k3 are not a slipperly as unheated tires in real world >series. I've seen CART races where Rabbits are passed by turtles just >because the rabbit is fresh out of the pits on cold tires and even the >slowest (yes YOU Jeff Boss) can pass some of the fastest. > I'm not saying Nr2k3 doesn't portray cold tires, just they don't seem to >be as extreme as some real world situations. >

But they are slippery enough (apart from at Dega, perhaps), that you are most likely to have your best lap 2nd time around. Those opening practice laps are where you get to test the limits of the car on cold tyres. Make use of them. :) Too be honest, at most tracks, you can drive away from any other car if you're on fresh tyres and they're on well used tyres. Even when just exiting the pits and having just merged, you'll be way faster. Just had this situation at Dover. Wanted to stay ahead of lead pack after having just taken fresh tyres. They closed up on the backstretch as I merged, but I was already pulling away through the corner. How realistic that is I have no idea. Admittedly I hadn't taken any extra fuel on (had half a tank still, which was enough to get me to the finish) which would have helped. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes: >> Eldred is mainly a road course racer Gil. So the posibility of driver >>mistakes increase with each lap. :) At least that is the way it is with >>me, the more laps I make, the more mistakes creep in. > >But don't the road courses have just 1 qualy lap anyway? 8-} Some do, some don't. It depends on the track. But, my second lap is usually slower on ovals as well. As I said before, I don't quite understand that... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East