It's a JOKE. Jeez... the page is even called the "Stupid Question of
the Month". I don't condone high-speed chases, either, considering the
lives that are put at risk. It's just a totally hypothetical question.
I mean, you must have *some* sense of adventure and/or fun, don't you?
If the guy making the page is running for public office, for example,
THEN I'd be concerned. The only purpose of the survey, though, is to
see what other people think about something as radical as this.
Kyle
<I'm no lawyer, but I play one on r.a.s.> =P
Eh?..They're the same, *dood*. Use your cabeza...Tell me again that
running from a cop isn't pre-meditated. Do you say "I didn't mean
to run," especially since the question (a stupid one at that) asked
"...if you knew you could get away with it...", which in the eyes
of the law would indicate that you knew you could get away with it,
and thus "had a degree of planning and forethought sufficient to show
intent to commit an act." <I got a good dikshunary> ;)
...and what makes you think a car isn't considered a deady weapon? Why
do you think that evasion is a federal crime...because it's embarrassing
to the cop? Hardly. Part of the reason (not the whole reason) is that
you risk both serious injury and loss of life and property to the
inocent. The only thing we can both agree is that neither is smart.
Now, if I can only find a way outta' this thread...
Cheers!
Marc
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Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com
Pre-meditated generally means that the concious decision to do
something occured substantially before the act.
If I'm driving down the highway, my radar detector hits 9, I see a cop
on the side of the road ready to chase me, and I nail it to try to
beat him to an exit or make him lose visual contact, that's NOT
pre-meditated. (And I'd better be G'damn sure I'm going to
"win", because losing is probably very painful and expensive... :-) )
It clearly is.
Actually, I don't believe "attempting to flee or elude" is a federal
crime in the case that the event occurs entirely within a single
state. (It is generally tied with the most egregious penalties in a
given state, generally resulting in immediate revokation of license.)
Just nail the gas and "go for it"...
---Jim
Hi Jim,
> > Eh?..They're the same, *dood*. Use your cabeza...Tell me again that
> > running from a cop isn't pre-meditated.
> Pre-meditated generally means that the concious decision to do
> something occured substantially before the act.
I was speaking in the context that if *you knew you could get away
with it*...I thought I made that clear as mud, no? =)
True...I'm guilty(!) of confusing federal with severity, instead of
state vs. "da' feds'.
Varroooooooooooooooooooooom!!
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Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com
<remove '_*_' before replying>
> This has to be flame bait. They're the same? I'm staggered that
> someone could make this comparison. If you want to compare them, then
> perhaps intentionally running someone down with the car would be a
> valid comparison. Otherwise this argument is ludicrous.
No flame bait. I never flamed you (that I could tell). I was simply
debating your challenge in posting to me, but never meant disrespect.
I think we've both had a misunderstanding of what we both agree to be a
ludicrous subject.
I think it was when you defined them as you understood them, and then
I replied with my *what I assumed you meant* post.
Speaking of which, where did I say that one was equally serious? I
was referring to the premeditation part, that IMHO both are (assuming
that you knew ahead of time that you could get away with either).
BTW, no guns, but several cars. ;)
Sorry about that.<g>
Cheers!
Marc
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On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:59:50 -0800, Andrew Carroll
>> If you were guaranteed not to get caught, would you take police on a high
>> speed chase? Answer the (completely anonymous) survey here:
>> http://www.concentric.net/~Phvox/q.html
>What kind of stupid survey is that ?
>This guy needs to get out more. I wonder how old this person is ?
>Seems to be a very childish debate IMHO.
I agree. Every time I see a high-speed chase on TV, I seethe. 99% of
the time, it's a guy. I'm sorry, but running from the police doesn't
mean you're a "man." It means you're a spoiled, rotten child.
This has to be flame bait. They're the same? I'm staggered that
someone could make this comparison. If you want to compare them, then
perhaps intentionally running someone down with the car would be a
valid comparison. Otherwise this argument is ludicrous.
I can't even imagine where you got the idea that I claimed that a car
isn't a deadly weapon.
Again, risking damage and injury is a less serious crime than
intentionally shooting someone. If this is beyond your grasp, then
fine, I'll not continue this argument. Have a nice day. I just hope
you don't own any firearms.
No thanks for the "What-a-Drag, Dood" label.
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:16:42 -0800, "Marc J. Nelson"
Quoted text (32 lines)
><I'm no lawyer, but I play one on r.a.s.> =P >Eh?..They're the same, *dood*. Use your cabeza...Tell me again that >running from a cop isn't pre-meditated. Do you say "I didn't mean >to run," especially since the question (a stupid one at that) asked >"...if you knew you could get away with it...", which in the eyes >of the law would indicate that you knew you could get away with it, >and thus "had a degree of planning and forethought sufficient to show >intent to commit an act." <I got a good dikshunary> ;) >...and what makes you think a car isn't considered a deady weapon? Why >do you think that evasion is a federal crime...because it's embarrassing >to the cop? Hardly. Part of the reason (not the whole reason) is that >you risk both serious injury and loss of life and property to the >inocent. The only thing we can both agree is that neither is smart. >Now, if I can only find a way outta' this thread... >Cheers! >Marc >> Not quite the same, dood. >> One is a pre-meditated serious and potentially lethal injury. >> The other is risking injury and/or property damage. >> Neither is wise.> <I'm no lawyer, but I play one on r.a.s.> =P
> Eh?..They're the same, *dood*. Use your cabeza...Tell me again that
> running from a cop isn't pre-meditated.
Well, I can see a difference... If I went out looking for a speed trap
with the intent to get a cop to chase me, then that's premeditated.
If I was just tooling along and a cop flashed me and I decided on the
spot to bolt instead of stop, then I'd have to say that that's NOT
premeditated.
Trips
> I agree. Every time I see a high-speed chase on TV, I seethe. 99% of
> the time, it's a guy. I'm sorry, but running from the police doesn't
> mean you're a "man." It means you're a spoiled, rotten child.
Not necessarily. Anyone who's ever had a warrant knows that... If you
stop and show your license, you're going straight to jail.
Spoiled, rotten children aren't the only people that want to stay out of
lockup.
Trips
> Not necessarily. Anyone who's ever had a warrant knows that... If you
> stop and show your license, you're going straight to jail.
> Spoiled, rotten children aren't the only people that want to stay out of
> lockup.
Having said that, I don't want to give the impression that I'm
advocating the practice... the chances of evading pursuit are very slim,
and the potential to hurt someone is too great.
Trips
If I had the ability to drive a sim that would allow this [properly]
then yeah I'd do it (in the sim of course!). That's why Grand Theft Auto
is so damn good.
Of course in real life hardly anyone would do it.
--
Dave Bowers
>If I was just tooling along and a cop flashed me and I decided on the
>spot to bolt instead of stop, then I'd have to say that that's NOT
>premeditated.
>Trips
Premediation has no bearing on the matter. It is a wonderful little
thing called "criminal culpability".
In essence the rotating lights of a police vehicle along with a siren
(here in New York State) require the operator of a motor vehicle to
pull over, stop and yield to the emergency vehicle.
If you see/hear the lights/siren and do not yield then you have made a
conscious decision not to obey the law. Ergo, you are now culpable
(responsible) for any penalty that may ensue.
As a police officer I've charged many a person with Reckless
Endangerment (both the felony & misdemeanor versions) that essentially
says the person acted in an reckless manner in such a way as to create
a serious risk of serious physical injury (the misdemeanor version) or
death (the felony version).
Police pursuits can get very hairy and many cops (including myself)
often will call off a pursuit on their own if the offense at hand does
not justify the continuation of the inherent risks at hand. [I'm not
going to risk a high speed accident over something like someone
blowing a stop sign. Armed robbery suspect maybe.] Nowadays, if the
cop doesn't cal it off himself, then one of his bosses will.
Looking for thrills? Get yourself a real good set-up, fire-up N2 at
105 %, and race at C***te with #6, and #99 bearing down hard in
turns 2 and 3. That should keep your adreneline levels high enough.
If that's not enough, play with the damage toggled to "on". [There,
I've now remained on-topic].
To answer the aforementioned question...No I would not. I'd rather
bend over, take it, and know that I just helped some thief steal
personal belongings from ones home by keeping this particular cop
occupied. I do hope there are more police officers out there like you
who will call off the chase...esp. since the advent of this thing called
the photograph, and radio...what a gawddamn concept! Let me just say
that a couple of years ago, (I just moved into this area), I heard of a
15 yr. old w/out a license or permit, go joy riding in his parents
Jaguar. Police found him and he took off, they did the same...Kid lost
an arm, and his poor girlfriend, an innocent passenger, perished.
Wrapped the thing around a tree because the cops around here are e***d
when there's a chase...they don't use what little brain they actually do
have.
Talladega as opposed to C***te would be my choice of track...OR, if
you're really daring, head out my way for a day of wine and roses near
S.F. California (Bay Area baby!) and try your hand at Sears Point
Raceway my friends!
Musclecar enthusiast,
Geoff
