F1RS: Braking/Throttle, Hmmm!

Hello, Well, after a few more hours of F1RS (ver 1.07), A.B.S. and Anti-Spin aids were turned off. This is what I see, using a Ch-Flightsick. With: A.B.S. "off" It took a bit, but finally noticed I was locking-up the brakes quite a bit. A nice touch, the front tires actually (visually) stop turning when the fronts are locked up! But there is no "audio" sound/noise, etc., letting me know that my tires are locking up. If I could actually hear the tires beginning to lock-up, it'd be much easier to stop/control/handle the car properly. Yup, the tires DO locks up visually, and there is smoke (can see it in the mirrors), but there is simply no time to look in the mirror (or watch the tires) anticipating a tire lockup. Maybe practice will help this problem? (I think GP2 found the best solution, to know what condition tires are in; the screeching sounds of the tire(s). When tires are entering a lockup (or spin) situation, or very "stressed" in a turn, tire-noises occur). *** With: Anti-Spin "Off" Unless I missed something in the manual or settings, Anti-Spin "off" is simply absurd!! <g>. I'm using a CH-Flightstick (Stick forward) for throttle. With "Acceleration" sensitivity set to 0, or 100, no matter, the car is basically "FLOORED" when applying amount of throttle. I put a car to a complete stop, was in 1st gear, and slowly applied thottle. At the very tip-top of the joystick handle, there is appoximately 1/8" of travel, between idle, and full-throttle. Then I tried 2nd gear, and 3rd gear, and had absolutely no control of the throttle, or the car. Result; rear tires are "frying" when Anti-Spin setting is "off". The car is out of control when applying thottle. F1RS seems to be a neat sim, hope I'm mearly missing some obvious "settings gone heywire". I don't want to run this sim with any driving-aids. But steering control is a bit twitchy/loose, braking/tire-stress is very hard to detect as it occurs, and the throttle control is unbelievably sensitive. Someone -please- tell me my settings are all messed up.

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> With: Anti-Spin "Off" > Unless I missed something in the manual or settings, Anti-Spin "off" >is simply absurd!! <g>. I'm using a CH-Flightstick (Stick forward) for >throttle. > With "Acceleration" sensitivity set to 0, or 100, no matter, the car >is basically "FLOORED" when applying amount of throttle. > Someone -please- tell me my settings are all messed up.

They are - you need to adjust the sensitivity of the joystick. With my steering wheel, I find that 95% steering, 80% brake and acceleration sensitivity provide the most realistic settings. Low or high sensitivity for the acceleration will produce the exact problems that you mentioned. Rob

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> > With: Anti-Spin "Off" > > Unless I missed something in the manual or settings, Anti-Spin "off" > >is simply absurd!! <g>. I'm using a CH-Flightstick (Stick forward) > for > >throttle. > > With "Acceleration" sensitivity set to 0, or 100, no matter, the car > >is basically "FLOORED" when applying amount of throttle. > > Someone -please- tell me my settings are all messed up. > They are - you need to adjust the sensitivity of the joystick. With my > steering wheel, I find that 95% steering, 80% brake and acceleration > sensitivity provide the most realistic settings. Low or high > sensitivity for > the acceleration will produce the exact problems that you mentioned. > Rob

you may also want to raise the gears throught someone sent me a racing setup for spa 1:47 I think and the 1st gear was way up there, about 33 if I remember correctly

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> Hello, > Well, after a few more hours of F1RS (ver 1.07), A.B.S. and Anti-Spin > aids were turned off. This is what I see, using a Ch-Flightsick. > With: A.B.S. "off" > It took a bit, but finally noticed I was locking-up the brakes quite > a bit. A nice touch, the front tires actually (visually) stop turning > when the fronts are locked up! > But there is no "audio" sound/noise, etc., letting me know that my > tires are locking up. If I could actually hear the tires beginning to > lock-up, it'd be much easier to stop/control/handle the car properly.

Look at your sound settings and make sure the 'other sounds' (err, not speech and not engine) is set to and audible level. I turned this off at some point to get rid of the annoying garage sounds and then wondered why there was no tyre noises. Yes, practice. [s] [s] Sorry, apart from to suggest you buy a set of pedals. I've never found using a stick for steering and throttle/brakes to be to much like hard work. before I invested in my pedals I would use the keyboard for pedals rather than my trusty old flightstick. -- Suck The Goat

Re: Sensitive throttle, Yeah, finally started playing with gears, ride-height, gears, etc., it's pretty much the same stuff as GP2. Dang trottle is still quite sensitive though, even with maxxed-out throttle sensitivity. In nuetral, I checked the travel of the joystick, and max-throttle is achived when the stick is pushed about 2/3rds forward. If only that extra 33% of stick was being used. Dang I bet this is a W95 problem (dx5!..<g>). Oh well, it's time to write Ubisoft, or think about some foot-pedals (if they help any). Teehole

On Sun, 08 Mar 98 23:53:22 GMT, "Piers C. Structures" >Look at your sound settings and make sure the 'other sounds' (err, not >speech and not engine) is set to and audible level. I turned this off at >some point to get rid of the annoying garage sounds and then wondered >why there was no tyre noises. Hehehe, that's the -first- thing i turned off after installing F1RS. Geez now I got noisy tires...<g>. Thanks. Btw, I found a simple patch (nomnusnd.zip), it's called "No Sound In Menus Patch". Thank goodness! ( WAPP-WAPP-WAPP-WAPP!!! ). I think GP2 worked wonderfully this way, especially with the 1-button shift-up/down config button #1, (also not found on any other racing sim). Oh well, maybe time for a set of pedals. Would pedals give any more control over throttle, verses a joystick? I know the benefits of pedals, but wonder if throttle/brake sensitivity would provide more "throttle play", vs. a joystick? Teehole

> On Sun, 08 Mar 98 23:53:22 GMT, "Piers C. Structures" ?

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> >Sorry, apart from to suggest you buy a set of pedals. I've never found > >using a stick for steering and throttle/brakes to be to much like hard > >work. > I think GP2 worked wonderfully this way, especially with the 1-button > shift-up/down config button #1, (also not found on any other racing > sim).

I found GP2 much the same as F1RS in this respect. I just find that with having to move my arm forward and back all the time I quickly get oxygen starvation in my lower arm. With just the steering on the stick, I can achieve some degree of comfort over race distances. Well for a start you get the twice the resolution (two pot's feeding the sim where before there was only one). I shelled out for the CH pro pedals (about 70 ukp) and they have been worth every penny - but then I get a lot of use out of them with flight sims too). -- Suck The Goat