GPL PREVIEW WITH 10 AWSOME SCREENSHOTS!!!!

Goto http://www.avault.com/previews/gplp1.asp TOTALLY AWSOME STUFF!!! Now i really need a 3dfx board !! ed_ on NROS Edwin Solheim, Norway http//:home.sol.no/~solhmrek "Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

That site appears to be down. No luck in connecting over a 3-hour period. -- Bruce. "I envy people who drink. At least they have something to blame everything on." (Oscar Levant) > Goto http://www.avault.com/previews/gplp1.asp > TOTALLY AWSOME STUFF!!! > Now i really need a 3dfx board !! > ed_ on NROS > Edwin Solheim, Norway > http//:home.sol.no/~solhmrek > "Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with > good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

>Goto http://www.avault.com/previews/gplp1.asp >TOTALLY AWSOME STUFF!!! I agree that the screenshots are great, but the article is badly written indeed. This is what happens if you let people without a (sim) racing background write about a racing sim... "Something unique about racing in 1967 was that the cars were less technical. Basically they were big engines strapped to a frame that could hold them. Tires were not specially matched like they are today, so every little change could have an effect on how the car feels and reacts to your movements." Oh, is that so? Independent wheel suspension, monococques, up to V16 engines, 6-speed transmissions - yes, that's definitely low tech. ;) And today, when we have "matched tires", little changes in damper settings etc. have no effect on how the car handles? Or what? "There will not be any super hero drivers, but there are plenty of famous racers included in with the game, including Jim Clark, Dan Gruny, Dennis Hulme, and Chris Amon." Oh well, everybody has a different idea of what a "super hero driver" is, I guess... "Jim Clark? Never heard of him, but they tell me he's famous." BTW, the other guy's name is Dan GURNEY, creator and driver of the Eagle cars. There's one interesting bit of new info in that article, though: "On July 8, 1998 racing fans are going to be offered a whole new level of racing with Grand Prix Legends." Wonder if this release date is authorized. Judging from Papyrus' previous policy in these matters, I guess it's not. -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. wopr"at"stud.uni-sb.de \ There is no "2" in my real e-mail address. Uni des Saarlands \ Sorry for the inconvenience. You know why.

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> There's one interesting bit of new info in that article, though: > "On July 8, 1998 racing fans are going to be offered a whole > new level of racing with Grand Prix Legends." > Wonder if this release date is authorized. Judging from Papyrus' > previous policy in these matters, I guess it's not.

It wouldn't surprise me if that release date is as inaccurate as the rest of the article. Trips

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>I agree that the screenshots are great, but the article is badly >written indeed. This is what happens if you let people without a (sim) >racing background write about a racing sim... >quote snipped!> >Oh, is that so? Independent wheel suspension, monococques, up to V16 >engines, 6-speed transmissions - yes, that's definitely low tech. ;) >And today, when we have "matched tires", little changes in damper >settings etc. have no effect on how the car handles? Or what?

Please correct if I'm wrong here... The 16 cylinder engine you refer to was not a V-angle setup but a H-parrter... i.e a H16. ( basiclly it was two flat 8's put on top of each other..) AFAIK, the Hewland box'es used back in the 60's did not have 6 gears but 5... We've got an Hewland FGB-box down at the workshop ( the F1-box that was _the_ box to have in the earlie 80's.) and it still only carried 5 gears.. Not quite sure when Chapman "stunned" the oposistion and set the new standard by introducing the 1st. monococque-designed racecar... Was it the Lotus 48? You gotta be kidding - Right? Jim Clark was F1 world champoin TWICE.. He won the Indy 500 for Lotus ( 1st non-american car/team (and afaik 1st rear-engine car(??)) to do so..) He is also ranked among the TOP TEN F-1 drivers ever. He died tradically during an F2 race at Hockenheim in 68 or 69 (cant remember).... Ever wondered why theres a corner there called Jim Clark corner? ed_ on NROS Edwin Solheim, Norway http//:home.sol.no/~solhmrek "Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

GPL is slated for release in "Spring 98". Isn't July 8 considered "Summer 98"? It sure is where I'm from :) ER

>If there's six plus the offset for reverse then pardon my intrusion! Apologies accepted!! :) ed_ on NROS Edwin Solheim, Norway http//:home.sol.no/~solhmrek "Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

> Please correct if I'm wrong here... > The 16 cylinder engine you refer to was not a V-angle setup but a > H-parrter... i.e a H16. ( basiclly it was two flat 8's put on top of each > other..) Entirely correct. And it was a very complicated, heavy and down-on-power engine. Again, correct. This was the first anomaly that leapt out at me when I saw the "in-cockpit" shots. The gearboxes in use in F1 back then did not incorporate six forward gears. In 1961/62 Chapman developed what the motoring press dubbed a "monocoque". Chapman did not use that term......he referred to this design (the Type 29) as a "bathtub", where the word "tub", used today in F1 construction, originated.The first true "monocoque" produced by Lotus was the Type 38 Indianapolis car, used in 1965. Its torsional stiffness increased by 50% over the "bathtub" design. Correct again.....1965. 1968.

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> remember).... Ever wondered why theres a corner there called Jim Clark > corner? > ed_ on NROS > Edwin Solheim, Norway > http//:home.sol.no/~solhmrek > "Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with > good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

-- Bruce. (At home)

> Again, correct. This was the first anomaly that leapt out at me when I saw the > "in-cockpit" shots. The other odd thing that struck me was the angle of upper 'A' arms on the front suspension.The angle at which they have been depicted is more like that experienced when a car is either under very heavy braking or landing after being airborne at Nurburgring. It is certainly not consistent with the angle normally seen when the car is travelling at speed, where the 'A' arms are either almost horizontal or just slightly above the horizontal. Bruce. (At home)

Hi Edwin! You're correct. I disremembered the details of the BRM engine. My point was, though, that F1 cars of that era were hardly as simple as the writer of the article at avault.com makes them appear. I assume you are correct. I couldn't find any information about gearboxes in my slim reference library, so I guess my idea of six forward gears stems from the screenshots. My mistake. OTOH, I can imagine some companies (Ferrari? Honda?) experimenting with 6-speed transmissions at that time. Does anybody know something about this? According to my books, it was the Lotus 25 (1962). Yes. I have to be careful with my irony. :) Please read the quote again. As I interpret it, the author says: "There will not be any super hero drivers, but famous drivers like Jim Clark." A 'famous driver' apparently ranks lower than a 'super hero driver'. What I wanted to express (but obviously didn't manage to express) was this: If Jim Clark isn't a 'super hero driver', then, who is? The sentence you snipped half was one I put into the mouth of the avault author - it seems to me as if *he* doesn't know who Jim Clark was. IIRC, Clark had lapped the entire field (including his team mate) at the end of the race. Must have been a devastating experience for the Indycar community back then. ;) -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. wopr"at"stud.uni-sb.de \ There is no "2" in my real e-mail address. Uni des Saarlands \ Sorry for the inconvenience. You know why.

>I assume you are correct. I couldn't find any information about >gearboxes in my slim reference library, so I guess my idea of six >forward gears stems from the screenshots. My mistake. OTOH, I can >imagine some companies (Ferrari? Honda?) experimenting with 6-speed >transmissions at that time. Does anybody know something about this? I can't remember the actual screenshots, but if it is simply a six-slot gate that is there in the***pit, remember one of those slots will be for reverse. If there's six plus the offset for reverse then pardon my intrusion! Cheers! John

It's six plus one. -- Bruce. "I envy people who drink. At least they have something to blame everything on." (Oscar Levant) > >I assume you are correct. I couldn't find any information about > >gearboxes in my slim reference library, so I guess my idea of six > >forward gears stems from the screenshots. My mistake. OTOH, I can > >imagine some companies (Ferrari? Honda?) experimenting with 6-speed > >transmissions at that time. Does anybody know something about this? > I can't remember the actual screenshots, but if it is simply a > six-slot gate that is there in the***pit, remember one of those > slots will be for reverse. > If there's six plus the offset for reverse then pardon my intrusion! > Cheers! > John

Lotus 38 was the first true monocoque (1965 Indy winner) Lotus 29 was the fore-runner, using a "bathtub" (Chapmans' expression) construction in which the driver sat. It was not a true monocoque, however, still using a ladder frame. -- Bruce. "I envy people who drink. At least they have something to blame everything on." (Oscar Levant)

On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:28:41 +0100, "Edwin Solheim" >>If there's six plus the offset for reverse then pardon my intrusion! >Apologies accepted!! :) Hey, don't push your luck - I said you could have a pardon, not an apology. ;-) Cheers! John

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>>I assume you are correct. I couldn't find any information about >>gearboxes in my slim reference library, so I guess my idea of six >>forward gears stems from the screenshots. My mistake. OTOH, I can >>imagine some companies (Ferrari? Honda?) experimenting with 6-speed >>transmissions at that time. Does anybody know something about this? >I can't remember the actual screenshots, but if it is simply a >six-slot gate that is there in the***pit, remember one of those >slots will be for reverse. >If there's six plus the offset for reverse then pardon my intrusion!

Pardon granted. :) The grate looks like this: |_|_|_| | | | In all screenshots, the shifter is placed in what I would assume to be first gear (second slot in the top row.) But John, didn't I gather from a recent posting of yours that you are beta testing the sim? If it doesn't collide with the NDA, could you tell us what the thing looks like in the current state? -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. wopr"at"stud.uni-sb.de \ There is no "2" in my real e-mail address. Uni des Saarlands \ Sorry for the inconvenience. You know why.

>Pardon granted. :) >The grate looks like this: Okay, thanks - I wasn't sure what was in the screenshots that were released since I was in the office at the time I responded. Checking with Papy whether something collides with the NDA or not is time-consuming for testers and for Papy - the best thing is to post a messge on the GPL forum ([link lost in import] and look for a response there. Mike Lescault reads this forum (and possibly others from Papy), so if there is a legitimate concern about the accuracy of gearing (5 or 6) then that will bring it to the attention of the appropriate people at Papyrus. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Cheers! John