I'm Getting an ECCI Wheel!

SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! Nothing like top-notch equipment in the hands of a mediocre driver... :)

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! > >Nothing like top-notch equipment in the hands of a mediocre driver... :) It won't help - trust me...<g> BTW, how's the wing, John? Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

No, it does help. I picked up abt. 2 sec./lap when I got my ECCI four years ago. No kidding. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons

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> <[email hidden]> writes: > > >SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! > > > >Nothing like top-notch equipment in the hands of a mediocre driver... :) > > It won't help - trust me...<g> > BTW, how's the wing, John? > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

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> In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! > > > >Nothing like top-notch equipment in the hands of a mediocre driver... :) > > It won't help - trust me...<g> > BTW, how's the wing, John? > > Eldred >

I know, but I'll be driving poorly with style. :) It's about 85% back, and about as good as it's gonna get.

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> No, it does help. I picked up abt. 2 sec./lap when I got my ECCI four years > ago. No kidding. > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, John > Simmons > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! > > > > > >Nothing like top-notch equipment in the hands of a mediocre driver... :) > > > > It won't help - trust me...<g> > > BTW, how's the wing, John? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Screamers League > > IICC League > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > > US East > > >

2 seconds per lap would put me up there with the above average drivers. :)

>SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! > >Nothing like top-notch equipment in the hands of a mediocre driver... :) > Congrats John. Any tips on gettin my wife to let me get one :) Which rig are you getting? Dan

Same here. Ordered it about 3 weeks ago. Should be on it's way soon. Greg Avella Gavel "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! > > Nothing like top-notch equipment in the hands of a mediocre driver... :)

On 14 Apr 2004 02:32:40 GMT, [email hidden] (Bamadano) wrote: >>Nothing like top-notch equipment in the hands of a mediocre driver... :) >> > >Congrats John. Any tips on gettin my wife to let me get one :) Which rig are >you getting? ooooh... Now I want one too. http://ecci6000.com/6000_combo_01.htm I'd love that one over to the right. Bloody expensive though, I wonder what freight to Down Under would be! j -- Jørgen Sundvor Smith mail: jorgen%smith.net

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> >SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! > > > >Nothing like top-notch equipment in the hands of a mediocre driver... :) > > > > Congrats John. Any tips on gettin my wife to let me get one :) Which rig are > you getting? > Dan >

I'm gonna cheap-out and get the 6000GT with the PBM2 brake module.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: > >It's about 85% back, and about as good as it's gonna get. Ooh, that sucks... :-( Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

In article <[email hidden]>, J�rgen Sundvor Smith <[email hidden]> writes: >Now I want one too. > >http://ecci6000.com/6000_combo_01.htm > >I'd love that one over to the right. Wow - that's more than I paid for my first CAR... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

In article <P%0fc.16195$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: >No, it does help. I picked up abt. 2 sec./lap when I got my ECCI four years >ago. No kidding. Maybe, but I'd wager you're a better driver than I am, and therefore better able to take advantage of the better quality equipment. Although I've never driven an ECCI(and probably never will have the opportunity), so it may be apples-to-oranges. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

> >It's about 85% back, and about as good as it's gonna get. >Ooh, that sucks... :-( >Eldred------------------------------------------- While that sucks, I'm sure it's better then the alternative. When's STARS gonna start up? ;-) -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO MARA TransAm GPL Rank + 17.410 MoGPL Rank + 318.294 N2003 Rank -12.4850 ---------------- Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward -----------------

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> > > > >It's about 85% back, and about as good as it's gonna get. > > >Ooh, that sucks... :-( > > >Eldred > ------------------------------------------- > While that sucks, I'm sure it's better then the alternative. > > When's STARS gonna start up? ;-) > > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch >

"Two people over at that "other" forum are nuts. The egotistical/ eliteist type." That league hasn't started yet?? Us nutty, egotistical/elitist types are having a good time on Saturdays. David G Fisher

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> > > > >It's about 85% back, and about as good as it's gonna get. > > >Ooh, that sucks... :-( > > >Eldred > ------------------------------------------- > While that sucks, I'm sure it's better then the alternative.

I'm still not sure about that. :) > When's STARS gonna start up? ;-) Well, I put it out there and got six other people. A bunch of folks said they wanted a league like that, but only a handful ever signed up. People kept saying build it and they will come" - well I built it and nobody came.

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> > "ZZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7Vlfc.427271$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > >It's about 85% back, and about as good as it's gonna get. > > > > >Ooh, that sucks... :-( > > > > >Eldred > > ------------------------------------------- > > While that sucks, I'm sure it's better then the alternative. > > > > When's STARS gonna start up? ;-) > > > > > > -- > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > > > "Two people over at that "other" forum are nuts. The egotistical/ eliteist > type." > > That league hasn't started yet?? > > Us nutty, egotistical/elitist types are having a good time on Saturdays. >

It looks like y'all only have a good time when it's a road-course race (cautions off and GPL-style separation of competitors). And since you poked your head out from under your rock, I'll add that your letter to certain competitors to essentially shape up or else was uncalled-for. I've been racing against ZZ for almost seven years in both GPL and Nascar Racing, and his performance and attitude on the track (and off) has never been an issue with me, and you'll probably find dozens of other people that will say the same thing. I don't know who else got your email, but I'm sure they didn't earn that kind of treatment either.

Well, two seconds at the Isle of Man, not Bristol. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <P%0fc.16195$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > No, it does help. I picked up abt. 2 sec./lap when I got my ECCI fouryears

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> > ago. No kidding. > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, John > > Simmons > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! > > > > > > > >Nothing like top-notch equipment in the hands of a mediocre driver...

:)

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> > > > > > It won't help - trust me...<g> > > > BTW, how's the wing, John? > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > Screamers League > > > IICC League > > > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > > > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > > > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > > > N2k3 rank:in progress > > > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > > > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > > > US East > > > > > > > > 2 seconds per lap would put me up there with the above average drivers. > :)

I'm not much above average, and then only because I prolly have 3,000 hours in the game. I only stopped driving it at least an hour a day when all the roadies came out for N2003. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <P%0fc.16195$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >No, it does help. I picked up abt. 2 sec./lap when I got my ECCI fouryears > >ago. No kidding. > > Maybe, but I'd wager you're a better driver than I am, and thereforebetter > able to take advantage of the better quality equipment. Although I'venever

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> driven an ECCI(and probably never will have the opportunity), so it may be > apples-to-oranges. > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

"John Simmons" wrote: > SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! "You guys gotta cowboy up and not get pussy-whipped into giving up your hobby (quite possibly your only one at that). In many, many cases, you'd all be better off with just your computer anyway." Sound familiar, John? :) Tony

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > > > "ZZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:7Vlfc.427271$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > >It's about 85% back, and about as good as it's gonna get. > > > > > > >Ooh, that sucks... :-( > > > > > > >Eldred > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > While that sucks, I'm sure it's better then the alternative. > > > > > > When's STARS gonna start up? ;-) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > > > > > > "Two people over at that "other" forum are nuts. The egotistical/

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> > type." > > > > That league hasn't started yet?? > > > > Us nutty, egotistical/elitist types are having a good time on Saturdays. > > > > It looks like y'all only have a good time when it's a road-course race > (cautions off and GPL-style separation of competitors).

Really? News to me. With regards to yellows, we had one really bad race at the beginning of the new season, but have averaged just 5.8 yellows per race in the others (including an 8 yellow Bristol race which some still thought was a great race). That's pretty damn good considering we are running 50% races now, and have added a significant amount of new drivers. Word of mouth has been bringing new, good drivers into RASCAR from other leagues this season. They wouldn't be joining us if they weren't having a good time in our races. Our road course races have been excellent, and there has been fantastic, very close racing up front and throughout the field. > And since you poked your head out from under your rock, I'll add that > your letter to certain competitors to essentially shape up or else was > uncalled-for. I don't remember anyone from RASCAR describing it that way in our discussions at the forum or in RASCAR committee e-mails. They said things like we "worded it so it wouldn't offend anyone" and that it "was probably the least harsh thing that could have been done". They said that something had to be done after Rockingham, and they'd rather have a private polite letter than a public rude post on ras about their driving. Not one RASCAR member complained about the letter except for ZZ, and one driver who received it. That one driver later said, "I apologize for bringing the whole thing up" (his protest) after reviewing a replay. Another recepient said he "earned his letter", and appreciated the way we handled things (privately and politely, not rudely in public). The third recepient never commented publically or privately, so I don't know how he felt, but he has been driving very well since that letter was sent. Might be a complete coincidence, or maybe it helped a bit. Don't know.

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>I've been racing against ZZ for almost seven years in both > GPL and Nascar Racing, and his performance and attitude on the track > (and off) has never been an issue with me, and you'll probably find > dozens of other people that will say the same thing. > > I don't know who else got your email, but I'm sure they didn't earn that > kind of treatment either.

ZZ never even received a letter, so you two ought to communicate better in the future. We've made changes that have improved the racing in RASCAR. We added Teamspeak which has helped the drivers become more friendly and respectful of each other. They can also communicate their intentions better on the track, and explain their view of any incidents (or even admit fault) which helps calm tempers during a race. It creates a good atmosphere for racing. The races are for points, which encourages everyone to look at the big picture instead of going for it all in each individual race. Drivers approach these races more seriously and intelligently (using caution is a big part of this) because they are working towards a goal of a good overall finishing position in the standings. We run practice races before the main race. There is a two self spins and park it rule. The whole group has a say in what happens now. Just last week I wanted the off week road course races to count in the points standings (for a number of reasons). Mitch didn't. We had a vote, and my idea was voted down. I wasn't happy about it at all, but that's the way we do things now. The group is doing a great job on and off the track, and your comment that, "It looks like y'all only have a good time when it's a road-course race (cautions off and GPL-style separation of competitors)." is just more bullshit. David G Fisher

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> > "John Simmons" wrote: > > > SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! > > "You guys gotta cowboy up and not get pussy-whipped into giving up your > hobby (quite possibly your only one at that). In many, many cases, > you'd all be better off with just your computer anyway." > > Sound familiar, John? > > :) > Tony >

:) Normally, I can do/buy whatever I want, but with such a big ticket item ($1130 after shipping), it's best to make sure it can be bought without straining the household finances. That's not being pussy-whipped - that's being smart. :)

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> > > SWMBO has given me permission to buy one! > > > > "You guys gotta cowboy up and not get pussy-whipped into giving up your > > hobby (quite possibly your only one at that). In many, many cases, > > you'd all be better off with just your computer anyway." > > > > Sound familiar, John? > :) > > Normally, I can do/buy whatever I want, but with such a big ticket item > ($1130 after shipping), it's best to make sure it can be bought without > straining the household finances. That's not being pussy-whipped - > that's being smart.

Please share with us what SWMBO stands for again? <G>

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BRDfc.256$[email hidden]... > > Please share with us what SWMBO stands for again? She who must be odd ? ( very odd! ? ) ;o) Elrikk

I got jealous...mine should be here any day :) Dan http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1182&item=318831852 8&rd=1

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I got jealous...mine should be here any day :) > Dan > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1182&item=318831852 > 8&rd=1 > And it looks like you got if for a REALLY good price! :)

Steve Smith wrote: > I'm not much above average, and then only because I prolly have 3,000 hours > in the game. I only stopped driving it at least an hour a day when all the > roadies came out for N2003. IMO the most important thing about a wheel under the pure driving aspect is the pot quality and characteristic. ECCI are certainly using some of the best. But I think especially their new USB gadget will help make you faster. I remember how the PDPI card made me faster back then. But the best wheel is nothing without good pedals, and that's where for me ECCI excels particularly. If their E6000 were FF and if my E3000 weren't so good already, I'd probably be tempted :) Achim

I've clung desperately to an outdated mobo for my GPL 'puta simply because it had an ISA slot for the PDPI card I deemed part n' parcel of my ECCI setup. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c5qsr0$4o63b$[email hidden]... > Steve Smith wrote: > > I'm not much above average, and then only because I prolly have 3,000hours > > in the game. I only stopped driving it at least an hour a day when allthe

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> > roadies came out for N2003. > > IMO the most important thing about a wheel under the pure driving aspect > is the pot quality and characteristic. ECCI are certainly using some of > the best. But I think especially their new USB gadget will help make you > faster. I remember how the PDPI card made me faster back then. > > But the best wheel is nothing without good pedals, and that's where for > me ECCI excels particularly. If their E6000 were FF and if my E3000 > weren't so good already, I'd probably be tempted :) > > Achim

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c5qsr0$4o63b$[email hidden]... > > IMO the most important thing about a wheel under the pure driving aspect > is the pot quality and characteristic. ECCI are certainly using some of > the best. But I think especially their new USB gadget will help make you > faster. I remember how the PDPI card made me faster back then. >I bought a PDPI back then when they were the hot trick. I never noticed any performance improvement.

Maybe you didn't have it set up properly. Tricky to set up, but once right (particularly w. the ECCI, which sometimes required hairy Registry edits) resulted in a huge improvement in smoothness. Not only did it calm the typical game-port "jitters" but the PDPI also had a much higher sample rate (making the steering a lot less notchy) while simultaneously decreasing the CPU occupancy, giving you a higher frame rate as well. Or maybe you just weren't old enough to drive. (The PDPI was a looong time ago.) "gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RPkgc.11940$[email hidden]... > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:c5qsr0$4o63b$[email hidden]...

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> > > > IMO the most important thing about a wheel under the pure driving aspect > > is the pot quality and characteristic. ECCI are certainly using some of > > the best. But I think especially their new USB gadget will help make you > > faster. I remember how the PDPI card made me faster back then. > > > I bought a PDPI back then when they were the hot trick. > I never noticed any performance improvement. > > >

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> Maybe you didn't have it set up properly. Tricky to set up, but once right > (particularly w. the ECCI, which sometimes required hairy Registry edits) > resulted in a huge improvement in smoothness. Not only did it calm the > typical game-port "jitters" but the PDPI also had a much higher sample rate > (making the steering a lot less notchy) while simultaneously decreasing the > CPU occupancy, giving you a higher frame rate as well. > > Or maybe you just weren't old enough to drive. (The PDPI was a looong time > ago.) >

I wasn't aware that registry tweaking was required. I guess that's why I didn't notice any difference. I was definitely old enough to drive. Back when I bought it, I was 39 years old...... an old timer by gaming standards.....lol. Maybe too old to drive fast. ;-)

gordo wrote: ... > I was definitely old enough to drive. > Back when I bought it, I was 39 years old...... an old timer by gaming standards.....lol. > Maybe too old to drive fast. ;-) Younger than Steve, and younger than me :) and definitely not too old to be fast :) Achim

Not all ECCI/PDPI combos required Registry tweaking. I only found out 'cuz I was doing a story on IndyCar Racing for my old alma mater, Car and Driver, and at the second Calibration screen (steer left/steer right), I wasn't getting full deflection. Even tho Windows 98 compensated for this at the end of the Calibration routine, it was extrapolating from too small a sample, so even tho the jiggles were gone, the steering was still a bit twitchy. I called PDPI and they gave me some new values to enter into the Registry. Voila, full deflection and smooth steering. Later ECCI wheels had higher-ohm pots, so the resistance was spread over a greater range from TDC to full lock L or R. "gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_9Fgc.162$[email hidden]... > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5Wugc.44940$[email hidden]... > > Maybe you didn't have it set up properly. Tricky to set up, but onceright > > (particularly w. the ECCI, which sometimes required hairy Registryedits) > > resulted in a huge improvement in smoothness. Not only did it calm the > > typical game-port "jitters" but the PDPI also had a much higher samplerate > > (making the steering a lot less notchy) while simultaneously decreasingthe > > CPU occupancy, giving you a higher frame rate as well. > > > > Or maybe you just weren't old enough to drive. (The PDPI was a looongtime > > ago.) > > > I wasn't aware that registry tweaking was required. I guess that's why Ididn't notice any difference. > I was definitely old enough to drive. > Back when I bought it, I was 39 years old...... an old timer by gamingstandards.....lol. > Maybe too old to drive fast. ;-) > >

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>Not all ECCI/PDPI combos required Registry tweaking. I only found out 'cuz >I was doing a story on IndyCar Racing for my old alma mater, Car and Driver, >and at the second Calibration screen (steer left/steer right), I wasn't >getting full deflection. Even tho Windows 98 compensated for this at the >end of the Calibration routine, it was extrapolating from too small a >sample, so even tho the jiggles were gone, the steering was still a bit >twitchy. I called PDPI and they gave me some new values to enter into the >Registry. Voila, full deflection and smooth steering. Later ECCI wheels >had higher-ohm pots, so the resistance was spread over a greater range from >TDC to full lock L or R.

I'm also one who's stubbornly held onto an old rig with an ISA slot so I could utilize my PDPI with a TSW. After much fiddling with the Registry numbers, I settled on a set of numbers that works quite well with the TSW. However, I've since purchased an ECCI 6000 GT. Unfortunately, I've yet to discover a set of Registry settings that work. My old TSW numbers didn't work at all. I decided to use the default Registry numbers while attempting to utilize the myriad of adjustments available with the ECCI hardware. The steering and the gas pedal are fine. But I cannot lock up the brakes. In fact, I have to *stand* on the brakes to slow down and kicking the tail out with a touch of brake is impossible. My wheel is equipped with the PMB II option and the amount of pressure required to use the brakes is outrageous. I'm sure there's a combination of hardware and Registry settings that work, but finding them has proven to be elusive to me...:-( Before I dump my old PDPI and opt for ECCI's new USB interface, would you (or anyone else) provide the Registry numbers they're using with an ECCI/PDPI combo? FWIW, I'm running Win98SE with DirectX 7.0. TIA

The PMB2 really requires some kind of floor lock system ;) I just moved my chair closer to the wall and used a 2X4 as a block on the opposite side of the pedals. Im still not totally sold on the PMB2 option. I guess it works but as mg says it takes allot of force to get to full lock which IMO reduces brake "feel". This with the PMB2 set at full soft setting. Mitch "mg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:35:33 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote:

I'll look up my old #s and post them. As I remember it, the brake & gas oughtta be the same in the Reg. (You still have the PDPI disc, right?) "mg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:35:33 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Not all ECCI/PDPI combos required Registry tweaking. I only found out'cuz > >I was doing a story on IndyCar Racing for my old alma mater, Car andDriver, > >and at the second Calibration screen (steer left/steer right), I wasn't > >getting full deflection. Even tho Windows 98 compensated for this at the > >end of the Calibration routine, it was extrapolating from too small a > >sample, so even tho the jiggles were gone, the steering was still a bit > >twitchy. I called PDPI and they gave me some new values to enter intothe > >Registry. Voila, full deflection and smooth steering. Later ECCI wheels > >had higher-ohm pots, so the resistance was spread over a greater rangefrom

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> >TDC to full lock L or R. > > I'm also one who's stubbornly held onto an old rig with an ISA slot so > I could utilize my PDPI with a TSW. After much fiddling with the > Registry numbers, I settled on a set of numbers that works quite well > with the TSW. > > However, I've since purchased an ECCI 6000 GT. Unfortunately, I've > yet to discover a set of Registry settings that work. My old TSW > numbers didn't work at all. I decided to use the default Registry > numbers while attempting to utilize the myriad of adjustments > available with the ECCI hardware. > > The steering and the gas pedal are fine. But I cannot lock up the > brakes. In fact, I have to *stand* on the brakes to slow down and > kicking the tail out with a touch of brake is impossible. My wheel is > equipped with the PMB II option and the amount of pressure required to > use the brakes is outrageous. I'm sure there's a combination of > hardware and Registry settings that work, but finding them has proven > to be elusive to me...:-( > > Before I dump my old PDPI and opt for ECCI's new USB interface, would > you (or anyone else) provide the Registry numbers they're using with > an ECCI/PDPI combo? > > FWIW, I'm running Win98SE with DirectX 7.0. > > TIA >

AFAIK, USB works about as well as the PDPI did, even tho the circuitry has no relationship. "mg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:35:33 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Not all ECCI/PDPI combos required Registry tweaking. I only found out'cuz > >I was doing a story on IndyCar Racing for my old alma mater, Car andDriver, > >and at the second Calibration screen (steer left/steer right), I wasn't > >getting full deflection. Even tho Windows 98 compensated for this at the > >end of the Calibration routine, it was extrapolating from too small a > >sample, so even tho the jiggles were gone, the steering was still a bit > >twitchy. I called PDPI and they gave me some new values to enter intothe > >Registry. Voila, full deflection and smooth steering. Later ECCI wheels > >had higher-ohm pots, so the resistance was spread over a greater rangefrom

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> >TDC to full lock L or R. > > I'm also one who's stubbornly held onto an old rig with an ISA slot so > I could utilize my PDPI with a TSW. After much fiddling with the > Registry numbers, I settled on a set of numbers that works quite well > with the TSW. > > However, I've since purchased an ECCI 6000 GT. Unfortunately, I've > yet to discover a set of Registry settings that work. My old TSW > numbers didn't work at all. I decided to use the default Registry > numbers while attempting to utilize the myriad of adjustments > available with the ECCI hardware. > > The steering and the gas pedal are fine. But I cannot lock up the > brakes. In fact, I have to *stand* on the brakes to slow down and > kicking the tail out with a touch of brake is impossible. My wheel is > equipped with the PMB II option and the amount of pressure required to > use the brakes is outrageous. I'm sure there's a combination of > hardware and Registry settings that work, but finding them has proven > to be elusive to me...:-( > > Before I dump my old PDPI and opt for ECCI's new USB interface, would > you (or anyone else) provide the Registry numbers they're using with > an ECCI/PDPI combo? > > FWIW, I'm running Win98SE with DirectX 7.0. > > TIA >

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:39:31 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The PMB2 really requires some kind of floor lock system ;) I just moved my >chair closer to the wall and used a 2X4 as a block on the opposite side of >the pedals. I've got a stable setup for the pedals, but having to mash the brake with so much force seems all wrong with a sophisticated rig like the ECCI. >Im still not totally sold on the PMB2 option. I guess it works but as mg >says it takes allot of force to get to full lock which IMO reduces brake >"feel". This with the PMB2 set at full soft setting. Well, at least I'm not alone...:-) I'm wondering if the PMB II might be ill-suited for some people. What's odd is that John at ECCI said that GPL was used as a reference for designing it. Yet, I find that trail-braking and/or subtle inputs to the brakes are impossible when one has to stomp on the pedal. I'll give John a call and see what he has to say. Thanx for the reply Mitch.

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>"mg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Before I dump my old PDPI and opt for ECCI's new USB interface, would >> you (or anyone else) provide the Registry numbers they're using with >> an ECCI/PDPI combo? >> FWIW, I'm running Win98SE with DirectX 7.0. >I'll look up my old #s and post them. As I remember it, the brake & gas >oughtta be the same in the Reg. (You still have the PDPI disc, right?)

That'd be great, Steve. I've always used the same numbers for gas and brake, but perhaps the PMB II option requires a unique number for the brakes as my gas pedal is fine. Yes, I still have my PDPI disc. My PDPI is still installed so I'll try your numbers and see what happens. I'm assuming you don't have to use Herculean effort to apply your brakes. Did you opt for the PMB II gadget? Thanx very much for the help.

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:47:54 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >AFAIK, USB works about as well as the PDPI did, even tho the circuitry has >no relationship. Eventually, I'll have to move to a USB interface as a PC upgrade is way past due. But, since GPL doesn't require a state of the art rig to run and an upgrade is going to have to wait, I'm determined to get my old ISA/PDPI combo working. According to ECCI, their new USB HD Ultra is "the absolute best interface available for driving controllers." Perhaps it is. But, I've spent a ton of time fiddling with the brakes on my ECCI and like Mitch, I'm not totally sold on the PMB II option. Makes me leery towards buying anymore "absolute best" gear...:-) Thanx again.

My notes say, "Navigate: HKEY_LOCAL MACHINE/SYSTEM /CURRENT CONTROL SET/CONTROL /MEDIA PROPERTIES/PRIVATE PROPERTIES/JOYSTICK/OEM/PDPI /FINE TUNING/DEFAULT/FINE TINING INFO or some such... ...then edit the lines that read 5b 00 00 00 5b 00 00 5b 00 00 00 5b 00 00 00 so that they read [line 1] 0000 50 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 P... P... [line 2] 0008 50 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 P... P... [line 3] 0010 [blank] Or something like that (this doesn't look right). On another piece of paper, it says the as-installed digits (not hex) are [line 1] 0000 95 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 [line2] 0008 80 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 [line 3] 0010 [blank] and that that this should be edited to 0000 50, etc., and 0008 50, etc. So I'm guessing the key numbers are 5&6 and 13&14 in each line. 5b is obviously hex. So fiddling with non-hex values between 50 and 95 is what changes the range. I wish I still had a copy of the old Registry, but I don't. Hope this helps. --Steve "mg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:47:54 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >AFAIK, USB works about as well as the PDPI did, even tho the circuitryhas

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> >no relationship. > > Eventually, I'll have to move to a USB interface as a PC upgrade is > way past due. But, since GPL doesn't require a state of the art rig > to run and an upgrade is going to have to wait, I'm determined to get > my old ISA/PDPI combo working. > > According to ECCI, their new USB HD Ultra is "the absolute best > interface available for driving controllers." Perhaps it is. But, > I've spent a ton of time fiddling with the brakes on my ECCI and like > Mitch, I'm not totally sold on the PMB II option. Makes me leery > towards buying anymore "absolute best" gear...:-) > > Thanx again. >

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> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:47:54 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >AFAIK, USB works about as well as the PDPI did, even tho the circuitry has > >no relationship. > > Eventually, I'll have to move to a USB interface as a PC upgrade is > way past due. But, since GPL doesn't require a state of the art rig > to run and an upgrade is going to have to wait, I'm determined to get > my old ISA/PDPI combo working. > > According to ECCI, their new USB HD Ultra is "the absolute best > interface available for driving controllers." Perhaps it is. But, > I've spent a ton of time fiddling with the brakes on my ECCI and like > Mitch, I'm not totally sold on the PMB II option. Makes me leery > towards buying anymore "absolute best" gear...:-)

Well, I ordered my ECCI with both PBM/2 and the USB/HD option, so I'll be hapy to comment on the combination in a few weeks.

The PMB is adjustable is it not? "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:47:54 GMT, "Steve Smith" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >AFAIK, USB works about as well as the PDPI did, even tho the circuitryhas

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> > >no relationship. > > > > Eventually, I'll have to move to a USB interface as a PC upgrade is > > way past due. But, since GPL doesn't require a state of the art rig > > to run and an upgrade is going to have to wait, I'm determined to get > > my old ISA/PDPI combo working. > > > > According to ECCI, their new USB HD Ultra is "the absolute best > > interface available for driving controllers." Perhaps it is. But, > > I've spent a ton of time fiddling with the brakes on my ECCI and like > > Mitch, I'm not totally sold on the PMB II option. Makes me leery > > towards buying anymore "absolute best" gear...:-) > > Well, I ordered my ECCI with both PBM/2 and the USB/HD option, so I'll > be hapy to comment on the combination in a few weeks. >

Yes it is adjustable but I cant imagine anyone using anything but the softest setting. Even at the softest it takes tremendous force to get full range of motion. Its like the last few cm's require more leg than I have ;) Mitch "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W6shc.100584$[email hidden]... > The PMB is adjustable is it not? >

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:10:23 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: [...] >So I'm guessing the key numbers are 5&6 and 13&14 in each line. >So fiddling with non-hex values between 50 and 95 is what changes the range. Thanx for those numbers, Steve. I tried them, but didn't see any noticeable difference in the way the brakes react. I eventually ended up with 1b for gas and brake as it gives me the most range in the GPL calibration screen ( 25---226 & 40---206 respectively). I'm convinced that the PMB II brakes on the ECCI are designed to require a *ton* of pressure to activate them. Since the guys at ECCI are very helpful, I'm going to give them a call & see if a hardware tweak ( different spring, removal of PMB II, etc) is in order. Thanx again for the help.

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:15:53 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >says... >> According to ECCI, their new USB HD Ultra is "the absolute best >> interface available for driving controllers." Perhaps it is. But, >> I've spent a ton of time fiddling with the brakes on my ECCI and like >> Mitch, I'm not totally sold on the PMB II option. Makes me leery >> towards buying anymore "absolute best" gear...:-) >Well, I ordered my ECCI with both PBM/2 and the USB/HD option, so I'll >be hapy to comment on the combination in a few weeks.

That'd be great, John. I'd also be interested in what numbers you see in terms of range when you calibrate your new wheel. Hopefully, you run Papy sims so I can compare my numbers with yours...:-) Thanx for the reply.

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> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:15:53 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > >says... > > >> According to ECCI, their new USB HD Ultra is "the absolute best > >> interface available for driving controllers." Perhaps it is. But, > >> I've spent a ton of time fiddling with the brakes on my ECCI and like > >> Mitch, I'm not totally sold on the PMB II option. Makes me leery > >> towards buying anymore "absolute best" gear...:-) > > >Well, I ordered my ECCI with both PBM/2 and the USB/HD option, so I'll > >be hapy to comment on the combination in a few weeks. > > That'd be great, John. I'd also be interested in what numbers you see > in terms of range when you calibrate your new wheel. Hopefully, you > run Papy sims so I can compare my numbers with yours...:-) > > Thanx for the reply. > >

I sure wouldn't put $1000 into a game controller if I was playng something along the lines of Nascar Thunder... :)

> I sure wouldn't put $1000 into a game controller if I was playng > something along the lines of Nascar Thunder... :) $1000 ? Wow... that's 1/10th of my new race-engine - and that even goes vrooom :o) -- ed_

>> I sure wouldn't put $1000 into a game controller if I was playng >> something along the lines of Nascar Thunder... :) > >$1000 ? > >Wow... that's 1/10th of my new race-engine - and that even goes vrooom :o) That's more than my first CAR...<g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

> I'm convinced that the PMB II brakes on the ECCI are designed to > require a *ton* of pressure to activate them. Since the guys at ECCI > are very helpful, I'm going to give them a call & see if a hardware > tweak ( different spring, removal of PMB II, etc) is in order. Maybe they're -too- real. Anyone see the story on Andy Wallace in Autoweek? He said his Grand Am Daytona Prototype requires 1100 lbs (!) of pressure to fully depress the brake pedal, and (at a standstill?) he's only capable of 800. Alan

Alan Le wrote: ... > Maybe they're -too- real. Anyone see the story on Andy Wallace in Autoweek? > He said his Grand Am Daytona Prototype requires 1100 lbs (!) of pressure to > fully depress the brake pedal, and (at a standstill?) he's only capable of > 800. Maybe there was a little misunderstanding on the part of ECCI when they defined their parameters. Because, you don't need to depress a brake pedal fully, ever, in a real car. All you need is to get to where the brakes lock up, and that is usually a lot earlier than at the fully-depressed position. If you needed to depress the brake pedal fully to get the brakes to lock up, you could be sure you had a brake fluid leake somewhere. Achim

Anecdote. Years ago Citroen decided that since pedal *pressure* was what slowed the car down, why bother with mere*travel*? So they installed a pedal that looked like a hockey puck glued to the firewall. It had zero travel, but the harder you stepped on it, the more the car slowed down. Everybody hated it, so they went back to a conventional pedal, FF half a century to driving sims. With a few notable exceptions (like ECCI), we drive w. brake pedals where travel = deceleration and marvel that it's hard to modulate the braking effort ("threshold lockup"). ECCI is doing the right thing, but they may not have gotten the params right. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c6d14u$a772d$[email hidden]... > Alan Le wrote: > ... > > Maybe they're -too- real. Anyone see the story on Andy Wallace inAutoweek? > > He said his Grand Am Daytona Prototype requires 1100 lbs (!) of pressureto > > fully depress the brake pedal, and (at a standstill?) he's only capableof

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> > 800. > > Maybe there was a little misunderstanding on the part of ECCI when they > defined their parameters. > > Because, you don't need to depress a brake pedal fully, ever, in a real > car. All you need is to get to where the brakes lock up, and that is > usually a lot earlier than at the fully-depressed position. > > If you needed to depress the brake pedal fully to get the brakes to lock > up, you could be sure you had a brake fluid leake somewhere. > > Achim

Steve Smith wrote: ... > ECCI is doing the right thing, > but they may not have gotten the params right. That's what I said <g> Achim