What I would like to see in Nascar3

I would like to see drafting done in a way that you could could actually see a big difference. Like say you were playing someone over the modem and if the two of you drafted eachother you could pull away or gain positions and if you started slugging it out for position, the field would drive you by. I would also like to see a chat setup simular to nascar1, or how about being able to talk to your modem partner(most newer modems support this). I would like to be able to turn off black flags. I'm tired of skidding through the pit enterence sideway due to an accident and getting nailed for speeding down pit lane. How about a couple fantasy super speedways. But most of all I don't want to have to upgrade my computer to have to be able to play nascar 3, heck I just upgraded to a 166mmx, and now my monitor is on the blink. Just my two cents worth. P.S. If they add the hands on wheel and shifter I hope that they alow us to disable it. One last thing how about a view simular to sega rally, were you see the hood of the car and rest is open.

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> I would like to see drafting done in a way that you could could > actually > see a big difference. Like say you were playing someone over the modem > and > if the two of you drafted eachother you could pull away or gain > positions > and if you started slugging it out for position, the field would drive > you > by. I would also like to see a chat setup simular to nascar1, or how > about > being able to talk to your modem partner(most newer modems support > this). I > would like to be able to turn off black flags. I'm tired of skidding > through the pit enterence sideway due to an accident and getting > nailed for > speeding down pit lane. How about a couple fantasy super speedways. > But most of all I don't want to have to upgrade my computer to have to > be > able to play nascar 3, heck I just upgraded to a 166mmx, and now my > monitor > is on the blink. > Just my two cents worth. > P.S. If they add the hands on wheel and shifter I hope that they alow > us to > disable it. > One last thing how about a view simular to sega rally, were > you see > the hood of > the car and rest is open.

How about having the option to put on sticker or scuff tires during a pit stop.

I fully agree with you on this point. Just last March I upgraded my computer to a P166MMX as well as adding a Diamond Monster 3D accelerator card. I'm not really looking foward to having to upgrade again just to be able to race in N3/Cart2. Joel Willstein

Isnt it supposed to be released end of 98? do you expect to be able to run a brand new game well on a 1 year old computer, as nice as it would be. 166mmx is already too slow for a few games, another year and nobody will even consider using them. p.s. I dont mean this to sound ***, its just a point that needed making. Steve.

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>Isnt it supposed to be released end of 98? >do you expect to be able to run a brand new game well on a 1 year old >computer, as nice as it would be. 166mmx is already too slow for a few >games, another year and nobody will even consider using them. >p.s. I dont mean this to sound ***, its just a point that needed making. >Steve.

Steve, While I understand your reason for posting your reply,there are other things more important than every year laying out $200-$1000 to upgrade ones computer system just so that we can "play" the latest racing sims. When I upgraded last year,it was with the intention that this system would have to last at least a few years. After all,family & home comes 1st. There are bills to pay. Right now I can run Nascar2 with all graphics on with still get what seems like really good frame rates. Hopefully with the fx3d patch,it will be even better. So when Nascar3 and Cart2 are released,I will have to carefully weigh just what trade offs will be needed to get these 2 sims to run properly. It may just be that I will have to give up too much and decide for the time being to stick with Nascar2 and ICR2. I find it hard to beleive that Sierra/Papyrus thinks that the vast majority of gamers have the latest and fastest computers. I asked several employees at work who have computers and use them for *** just what they presently own and when they last upgraded. All put one still has the original system that they purchased within the last few years. Asked what they would do if they couldn't get the latest game to run up to their expectations,most said that they would return it. We dedicated sim racers are a minority,and a small one at that. Maybe it is time that the producers of computer games understand that not all of us are willing to constantly upgrade just to play the latest games that they produce. Joel Willstein

Yea I know, but It takes awhile to convince the wife it's time to upgrade again. :)

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>>Isnt it supposed to be released end of 98? >>do you expect to be able to run a brand new game well on a 1 year old >>computer, as nice as it would be. 166mmx is already too slow for a few >>games, another year and nobody will even consider using them. >>p.s. I dont mean this to sound ***, its just a point that needed making. >>Steve. >Steve, > While I understand your reason for posting your reply,there are >other things more important than every year laying out $200-$1000 to >upgrade ones computer system just so that we can "play" the latest >racing sims. > When I upgraded last year,it was with the intention that this >system would have to last at least a few years. After all,family & >home comes 1st. There are bills to pay. > Right now I can run Nascar2 with all graphics on with still get >what seems like really good frame rates. Hopefully with the fx3d >patch,it will be even better. So when Nascar3 and Cart2 are released,I >will have to carefully weigh just what trade offs will be needed to >get these 2 sims to run properly. It may just be that I will have to >give up too much and decide for the time being to stick with Nascar2 >and ICR2. > I find it hard to beleive that Sierra/Papyrus thinks that the >vast majority of gamers have the latest and fastest computers. I >asked several employees at work who have computers and use them for >*** just what they presently own and when they last upgraded. All >put one still has the original system that they purchased within the >last few years. Asked what they would do if they couldn't get the >latest game to run up to their expectations,most said that they would >return it. > We dedicated sim racers are a minority,and a small one at that. >Maybe it is time that the producers of computer games understand that >not all of us are willing to constantly upgrade just to play the >latest games that they produce. > Joel Willstein

I agree with you, Joel. I have a Pentium 100 without a rendition card and I have to turn alot of the graphics off to get a decient frame rate. Someone out there must be buying these new games or else the game companies would go out of business. I guess it`s just too bad for us poor folks :} Richard Woodliff

I disagree I want to see the best games possible as time moves forward. If you can't afford to keep up fine, stick with what you have. I don't want to see software developers held back because of the finacial constraints of those of you that think they need to extend the length of their old hardware. You say you just upgraded to 166??? How can you call that an upgrade? What did you have before 386sx33? A 166 is not even a mid-range computer nowadays, that is a low-end computer. If developers are constrained to develop for the lowest common denominator we will all be stuck with low-end/mid-range games... JAU

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>>But most of all I don't want to have to upgrade my computer to have to be >>able to play nascar 3, heck I just upgraded to a 166mmx, and now my monitor >>is on the blink. > I fully agree with you on this point. Just last March I upgraded >my computer to a P166MMX as well as adding a Diamond Monster >3D accelerator card. I'm not really looking foward to having to >upgrade again just to be able to race in N3/Cart2. >Joel Willstein

Well, I politely have to disagree with you. I just bought a MIcron 300 PII. While your comments may for the most part be correct we as gamers have been conditioned by Intel and the software *** companies to constantly upgrade. While software *** companies maybe creative in the products they put out, they probably are not utilizing the power of a Pentium 90. For the most part these software companies are under pressure to turn out games within 1.5 - 2 years of its development cycle. It appears that most programmers cover over their program inefficencies and coding with more cpu power and faster video cards. Just look at the Sony Playstation (which I also own). I've read it has the CPU power of a 486 33mhz system. I find that most of the new games are running faster and smoother with each new release. Why? because the programmers are forced to think and be even more creative to squeeze out more from the system. Imagine if that happened with our PC's. We wouldn't have to spend $500-$2500 a year just to keep up with current technology.

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>I disagree >I want to see the best games possible as time moves forward. If you >can't afford to keep up fine, stick with what you have. I don't want >to see software developers held back because of the finacial >constraints of those of you that think they need to extend the length >of their old hardware. You say you just upgraded to 166??? How can >you call that an upgrade? What did you have before 386sx33? A 166 is >not even a mid-range computer nowadays, that is a low-end computer. >If developers are constrained to develop for the lowest common >denominator we will all be stuck with low-end/mid-range games... >JAU >>>But most of all I don't want to have to upgrade my computer to have to be >>>able to play nascar 3, heck I just upgraded to a 166mmx, and now my

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>>>is on the blink. >> I fully agree with you on this point. Just last March I upgraded >>my computer to a P166MMX as well as adding a Diamond Monster >>3D accelerator card. I'm not really looking foward to having to >>upgrade again just to be able to race in N3/Cart2. >>Joel Willstein

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> Just look at the Sony Playstation (which I also own). I've read it > has the CPU power of a 486 33mhz system. I find that most of the new > games are running faster and smoother with each new release. Why? > because the programmers are forced to think and be even more > creative to squeeze out more from the system. Imagine if that > happened with our PC's. We wouldn't have to spend $500-$2500 a year > just to keep up with current technology.

In raw CPU, I don't think it's even a 486-33SX. But, it has dedicated hardware that does a lot, including a kick-ass dedicated sound system (a real killer on the PC, where a lot of games spend some 20% of CPU mixing sound), CD interface, MPEG-like engine, DMACs, joystick interfaces and a pretty kick-ass geometry co-processor and 2D graphics engine. Sure, it's a wimpy CPU and has abysmally slow memory access, but it has a swiss army knife of hardware helping unburden the CPU. But I disagree with your essential premise is that if developers would wring every last ounce out of existing hardware that you wouldn't have to upgrade. You still would because they'd wring every last ounce of whatever the highest end hardware available was. (Speaking of CPU-intensive real-time 3D games, not the Solitaires of the world.) Game developers aren't extravagant with wasting resources. Sure, they don't squeeze every last ounce out of every last function, because it doesn't make solid business sense to do that... ---Jim