f1rs is it worth it??

I am tossing up wether to buy f1rs, but fro the comments i have seen i don't think it would be worth it. Please set me straight is it worth buying it?? What are the problems with it??? Will a P133 with 32meg ram and a monster 3D card be enough to run it?? How much space does it take on the hrad drive?? PLease e-mail me your answers THanks

From the comments you have seen?!? Don't know what you are talking about. If you have followed F1RS you will know that it knocks F1GP2 for six!

Quoted text (8 lines)

>I am tossing up wether to buy f1rs, but fro the comments i have seen i >don't think it would be worth it. Please set me straight is it worth >buying it?? What are the problems with it??? Will a P133 with 32meg ram >and a monster 3D card be enough to run it?? How much space does it take >on the hrad drive?? >PLease e-mail me your answers > THanks

I have no idea what you are trying to compare it to. P133? I would think you will get pretty nice performance out of it. Provided your video card isn't a peice of shit. I just got done talking to someone with a Trident video and their system runs like it's got the flu. Got a decent 2D video card? It'll run just fine. If you don't, your money is better spent there. Don't let anyone tell you that the 2D card makes no difference just because you have a M3d either. That's bullshit.

Quoted text (8 lines)

>I am tossing up wether to buy f1rs, but fro the comments i have seen i >don't think it would be worth it. Please set me straight is it worth >buying it?? What are the problems with it??? Will a P133 with 32meg ram >and a monster 3D card be enough to run it?? How much space does it take >on the hrad drive?? >PLease e-mail me your answers > THanks

>I am tossing up wether to buy f1rs, but fro the comments i have seen i >don't think it would be worth it. Please set me straight is it worth >buying it?? What are the problems with it??? Will a P133 with 32meg ram >and a monster 3D card be enough to run it?? How much space does it take >on the hrad drive?? I had a P-133 w/3DFX. The framerate is perfectly smooth while hotlapping with no other cars on the track. This is with every graphical option turned on and under max realism. I used to race with 11 other cars, also max everything, and the framerate was acceptable, but I noticed some slowdown, especially at the start. When I upgraded to a 200 MMX, it runs smooth with a max field, even at the start. I'm not sure what you mean about the comments of this ng and not buying it. This game has received more positive feedback that most others. It's an excellent sim. -- Kevin (Remove the "x-" prefix from my address in order to reply via email)

On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:25:41 -0500, "Phil Bower"

Quoted text (8 lines)

>I have no idea what you are trying to compare it to. >P133? I would think you will get pretty nice performance out of it. >Provided your video card isn't a peice of shit. I just got done talking to >someone with a Trident video and their system runs like it's got the flu. >Got a decent 2D video card? It'll run just fine. If you don't, your money >is better spent there.

His money is best spent on the CPU... Sorry, but its not bullshit. If you understand how a 3dfx card works you'd know that. The best analogy I can think of is like a VCR machine. When recording a TV show, its the VCR's tuner that receives the signal and records it. So even though your VCR is connected to the television you can still record the show with the television turned off. When running a 3dfx app, the 3Dfx card is like the VCR and the 2D card is like the television. The person with the Trident card has some other problem. Regards, David

Quoted text (8 lines)

> I am tossing up wether to buy f1rs, but fro the comments i have seen i > don't think it would be worth it. Please set me straight is it worth > buying it?? What are the problems with it??? Will a P133 with 32meg ram > and a monster 3D card be enough to run it?? How much space does it take > on the hrad drive?? > PLease e-mail me your answers > THanks

John, The P133 with M3D will be good enough, perhaps a little slow at the race starts. The 3D graphics in F1RS are pretty good, certianly far ahead of GP2 and hopefully behind GP3 if that ever appears. I find three main problems with F1RS: 1. Incredibly bad simulation of low speed spins. The car gets into a spin-o-rama mode that is totally unrealistic. 2. The grass is coated with glue. If the car gets a wheel on the grass, it is slowed down dramatically. There is simply way, way too much drag. 3. Unrealistic car movements. If you watch the car from an overhead view, you can see it moving diagonally in some low speed situations. 4 wheel steering? Top that off with a grating car engine sound, with machine gun downshifts, and you have an arcade game rather than a simulation. If the car dynamics of GP2 could be imported into F1RS, now that would be a winner. Keith. -- please remove _spam from e-mail address when replying

No it's not worth it mate. Trust me. It's awful. I've thrown it away - it pissed me off too much. I listened to the group and bought it - WRONG!!! Wait for GP3 at the end of the year. Otherwise stick with GP2. What am I saying?!?!?! Sorry, it's very very very very good - you can buy my CD off me if you like? ;o)# Matt -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Please rename "demonn" to "demon" in email address. >I am tossing up wether to buy f1rs, but fro the comments i have seen i >don't think it would be worth it. Please set me straight is it worth >buying it?? What are the problems with it??? Will a P133 with 32meg ram >and a monster 3D card be enough to run it?? How much space does it take >on the hrad drive?? >PLease e-mail me your answers > THanks

On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:25:41 -0500, "Phil Bower"

Quoted text (8 lines)

>I have no idea what you are trying to compare it to. >P133? I would think you will get pretty nice performance out of it. >Provided your video card isn't a peice of shit. I just got done talking to >someone with a Trident video and their system runs like it's got the flu. >Got a decent 2D video card? It'll run just fine. If you don't, your money >is better spent there.

Why would a 2D card make a difference? Provided he has a decent 3D card, then it will run great. Sorry, but thats bullshit. If you're running 3Dfx mode, then it wont make a difference. Its the 3D card at work, not the 2D card.

We have a different version...cause mine doesnt. Of course I do let off the throttle once I spin...umm. Ah thats true but it does keep the creative ones on the road in online play. Havent seen that at all.... Actually the sounds are a matter of opinion...I like the sounds. The machine gun downshifts only happen if your using Auto Shift and even then I intend to listen to a few of my 92/93 tapes of the F1 races to see what they actually sound like....not sure they have gotten it that wrong. EEEEE....the car Dynamics into F1 Racing sim would be a tragic tragic affair as F1 Racing sim does a better job of conveying being in a car. GP2 is not playable at this time on my puter...F1 Racing sim is just that much better...and I spent all that time making a custom helmet for myself....for GP2....oh well I will import it into F1racing sim and not look back. PAPA DOC Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...

Quoted text (8 lines)

> I am tossing up wether to buy f1rs, but fro the comments i have seen i > don't think it would be worth it. Please set me straight is it worth > buying it?? What are the problems with it??? Will a P133 with 32meg ram > and a monster 3D card be enough to run it?? How much space does it take > on the hrad drive?? > PLease e-mail me your answers > THanks

In short, F1RS has it's shortcomings but is the best sim to date or close to it. Graphics are great! Patches may fix other things. -- We are the Hosh! You will be assimilated! Lower your defences and surrender! Your technological and biological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Your culture will be addapted to service us. Resistance is futile. Have a nice &*($ing day!

Try this: With f1rs running disconnect the transfer cable from the 2d car to the 3d card. If it's anything like my system there won't be a s***of difference. It looks to me like when a 3d game is running the 2d card is bypassed completely, so it wouldn't matter a shit what sort of card it was.

Quoted text (34 lines)

> On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:25:41 -0500, "Phil Bower" > >I have no idea what you are trying to compare it to. > >P133? I would think you will get pretty nice performance out of it. > >Provided your video card isn't a peice of shit. I just got done > talking to > >someone with a Trident video and their system runs like it's got the > flu. > >Got a decent 2D video card? It'll run just fine. If you don't, your > money > >is better spent there. > His money is best spent on the CPU... > >Don't let anyone tell you that the 2D card makes no difference just > because > >you have a M3d either. That's bullshit. > Sorry, but its not bullshit. If you understand how a 3dfx card works > you'd > know that. The best analogy I can think of is like a VCR machine. When > recording > a TV show, its the VCR's tuner that receives the signal and records > it. So even > though your VCR is connected to the television you can still record > the show > with the television turned off. > When running a 3dfx app, the 3Dfx card is like the VCR and the 2D card > is like > the television.

When running 3dfx you can pull your 2D card right out of your machine. It is doing NOTHING.

Quoted text (7 lines)

> No it's not worth it mate. Trust me. It's awful. I've thrown it away - it > pissed me off too much. I listened to the group and bought it - WRONG!!! > Wait for GP3 at the end of the year. Otherwise stick with GP2. > What am I saying?!?!?! Sorry, it's very very very very good - you can buy > my CD off me if you like? ;o)# > Matt

Ok Matt, so why exactly did you chuck it? -- We are the Hosh! You will be assimilated! Lower your defences and surrender! Your technological and biological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Your culture will be adapted to service us. Resistance is futile. Have a nice &*($ing day!

He probably didn't have the patience to set the car up correctly. IMHO, if you don't set up the car properly it's very hard to get it round the track at any decent speed. In GP2 you could still go pretty fast even if your setup was all wrong. F1RS needs patience and is much more rewarding to play than GP2 when you've mastered it. Regards Andrew

Quoted text (15 lines)

> > No it's not worth it mate. Trust me. It's awful. I've thrown it away - it > > pissed me off too much. I listened to the group and bought it - WRONG!!! > > Wait for GP3 at the end of the year. Otherwise stick with GP2. > > What am I saying?!?!?! Sorry, it's very very very very good - you can buy > > my CD off me if you like? ;o)# > > Matt > Ok Matt, so why exactly did you chuck it? > -- > We are the Hosh! You will be assimilated! Lower your defences > and surrender! Your technological and biological distinctiveness > will be added to our own. Your culture will be adapted to > service us. Resistance is futile. Have a nice &*($ing day!

-- Andrew Carroll -------------------------------------------- | Please note that all views expressed | | in this message are entirely my own, and| | should not be taken to reflect the views| | of Kodak Ltd or Eastman Kodak Company | --------------------------------------------

Thats it in a nutshell. GP2 was easy to get around the track....even on default settings....this one (F1 RS) will step on your face if you try that unless you like idling around the track....<VBG> But a well done lap in F1 RS is sooooo satisfying as to defy description, especially for me at a place like Monaco...or Estoril...brilliant stuff. PAPA DOC \\\\ Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...