GPL '65 release date

The 1965 mod for Grand Prix Legends has been given a release date - sort of. It will be released sometime within the next 10 days. Details at: http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=148756 I'm struggling to find seat time in GPL for my league and in F1 Challenge as it is. The '65 mod sounds very intriguing, though, with cars that are supposedly easier to handle and closer racing. -- Ped Xing GPLRank -31.657

Thats pretty cool an all....but *bracing himself*...why...er, '65? Do we all want to go slower? Were the cars more difficult to handle than their '67 versions?? Why not a 1973 mod or something?? Guess we'll all have to wait and see... "Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The 1965 mod for Grand Prix Legends has been given a release date - sort > of. It will be released sometime within the next 10 days. Details at: > > http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=148756 > > I'm struggling to find seat time in GPL for my league and in F1 Challenge > as it is. The '65 mod sounds very intriguing, though, with cars that are > supposedly easier to handle and closer racing. > > -- > Ped Xing > GPLRank -31.657

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Rich wrote: > Thats pretty cool an all....but *bracing himself*...why...er, '65?Cos it was a pretty good season > Do we all want to go slower?slower isn't necessarily worse. The racing is much closer and the cars handle better. And they're not THAT much slower. Typical Glen laps are in the 1.10's and pedal to the metal all the way. > Were the cars more difficult to handle than their '67 versions??Slightly easier to drive actually and you can really hang some good slides through corners. The main thing is that the grids and racing will be really tight. At somewhere like the Glen the difference between an alien driver and a normal one will only be a second or so. > Why not a 1973 mod or something??Cos GPL can't model downforce as such and the cars don't look too dissimilar to the 67's so were relatively easy to make from the '67 3dos as far as I know. > Guess we'll all have to wait and see... It's scheduled for release on the 30th.

>> Do we all want to go slower? >slower isn't necessarily worse. The racing is much closer and the cars >handle better. And they're not THAT much slower. Typical Glen laps are >in the 1.10's and pedal to the metal all the way. Sounds like the F2's and F3's. People who like those will probably like the '65 mod. Same for those that hate those cars. > >> Were the cars more difficult to handle than their '67 versions?? >Slightly easier to drive actually and you can really hang some good >slides through corners. The main thing is that the grids and racing will >be really tight. At somewhere like the Glen the difference between an >alien driver and a normal one will only be a second or so. I find that the difference between the aliens and humans is *magnified* with the slower cars. Because of that, I've never been a big fan of F2 and F3, and likely won't be a fan of the '65 cars. I'll try it, but I'm not holding my breath. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

"EldredP" wrote: > Sounds like the F2's and F3's. People who like those will probably likethe > '65 mod. Same for those that hate those cars. My understanding is they will be more like an FD but with less power and more grip. The main reason people keep discussing close racing is that they are more forgiving allowing the novices to push harder and get a bit closer without falling off every other corner, plus they take less of the track going sideways, so side by side racing is more possible. I always found F2s more than compensated for there loss of power by being even more slippery. The 65 mod will be quite a different experience so I'm told. Personally I always preferred the F1s not because I wanted to drive the fastest but that it felt the best. Those in the know are raving about the 65 mod feeling better as the physics have been tweaked to overcome some of the flaws in the GPL model. We will see, but I'm really looking forward to this one. Cheers Tony

Personally I always preferred the F1s not because I wanted to drive the fastest but that it felt the best. Those in the know are raving about the 65 mod feeling better as the physics have been tweaked to overcome some of the flaws in the GPL model. We will see, but I'm really looking forward to this one. Cheers Tony -------------------------------- After reading this I was wondering, if the GPL model is flawed, can they be tweaked to a more reasonable, realistic level? And can it be released as a new GPL? New and improved GPL'67, with tire wear, etc. Include all the new GPLEA cars and newly modeled tracks. Something stable and not crash prone like some carsets and tracks. ZZ -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO MARA TransAm GPL Rank + 17.410 MoGPL Rank + 318.294 N2003 Rank -12.4850 ---------------- Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward -----------------

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> "EldredP" wrote: > > > Sounds like the F2's and F3's. People who like those will probably like > the > > '65 mod. Same for those that hate those cars. > > My understanding is they will be more like an FD but with less power and > more grip. The main reason people keep discussing close racing is that

they > are more forgiving allowing the novices to push harder and get a bitcloser

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> without falling off every other corner, plus they take less of the track > going sideways, so side by side racing is more possible. > > I always found F2s more than compensated for there loss of power by being > even more slippery. The 65 mod will be quite a different experience so I'm > told. > > Personally I always preferred the F1s not because I wanted to drive the > fastest but that it felt the best. Those in the know are raving about the

65 > mod feeling better as the physics have been tweaked to overcome some ofthe > flaws in the GPL model. We will see, but I'm really looking forward tothis > one. > > Cheers > Tony Novices falling off the corners ? In the leagues I was in over the years, wasn't just the novices; one of the things that caused a lack of interest in gpl for me. Racing wasn't racing; all you had to do was stay on the track, and you were assured of a good finish, since most everyone else was overdriving. > >

ZZ <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CMAhc.63934$[email hidden]... > Personally I always preferred the F1s not because I wanted to drive the > fastest but that it felt the best. Those in the know are raving about the65 > mod feeling better as the physics have been tweaked to overcome some ofthe > flaws in the GPL model. We will see, but I'm really looking forward tothis > one. > > Cheers > Tony > -------------------------------- > After reading this I was wondering, if the GPL model is flawed, can theybe > tweaked to a more reasonable, realistic level? And can it be released as a > new GPL? > New and improved GPL'67, with tire wear, etc. Include all the new GPLEAcars

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> and newly modeled tracks. Something stable and not crash prone like some > carsets and tracks. > > ZZ > > >

Yes, it could. The '67 exe has been fixed. But it won't be released. The ones in the know reason for this, is because they don't want to invalidate the current hotlap records. Lousy excuse imo, but whatever. Typical gpl in many ways; lets worry more about an old one lap wonder time,(probably made by someone who doesn't even use gpl anymore) then doing something that quite possibly would improve the overall product, or gasp, racing. > > > >

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> Yes, it could. The '67 exe has been fixed. But it won't be released. > The ones in the know reason for this, is because they don't want to > invalidate the current hotlap records. > > Lousy excuse imo, but whatever. Typical gpl in many ways; lets worry > more about an old one lap wonder time,(probably made by someone who > doesn't even use gpl anymore) then doing something that quite possibly > would improve the overall product, or gasp, racing.

Though not of interest to me a lot of time & effort has gone into gplrank. An early '68 mod looks the most obvious, modelling the cars before wings and they weren't that much different to the 67 machines. Leaving the originla Papy season intact. Cheers Tony

ZZ wrote: ZZ wrote: > mod feeling better as the physics have been tweaked to overcome some of the > flaws in the GPL model. We will see, but I'm really looking forward to this > -------------------------------- > After reading this I was wondering, if the GPL model is flawed, can they be > tweaked to a more reasonable, realistic level? The 65 Mod basically *is* a more reasonable, realistic level. These guys have tweaked their butts off for nearly two years to get it as close as possible. Of course, that's not to mention the new cars (car graphics), each with it's own new handling characteristics, from the Lotus 33 to the BRM P261 to a superb-looking Ferrari, etc etc. >And can it be released as a > new GPL? New and improved GPL'67, Well, yes and no, kind of. The mod team have long ago decided not to mess with GPL '67 itself, but there ARE serious plans to by and large compensate for this for doing the "Early 68" mod. In other words, to take the 67 cars which were used in the early 68 races (before wings popped up) and then tweak their physics to a higher level. This will basically get you what you'd like, just in another context. The same improved/tweaked model will probably (!) be used for a '66 Mod' as well, and the biggest goal for the longer term I guess will be the 55 Mod - yep, the Fangio era. This should take far less time since the main mod things for GPL have now been just about figured out. But although the tyre handling itself is improved, it won't be modelling tyre wear etc. because that's just not in GPL itself. And this is an add-on to GPL. (And, let's not forget, it's FREE! Gentlemen,... start your downloads, in a week or so.) Regards, Rudy -------------------- GPLRank: -22 >

JP wrote: > one of the things that caused a lack of interest in > gpl for me. Racing wasn't racing; all you had to do was stay on the track, > and you were assured of a good finish, since most everyone else was > overdriving. Well, sounds like real racing to me then. What do you think would happen if we'd ACTUALLY all got into formula cars? Besides, that's racing. To finish first you must first finish. And in GPL type of cars, that's just plain difficult. Even the real aces didn't actually always drive flawless races. Regards, Rudy -------------------- GPLRank: -22

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>>>Do we all want to go slower? >> >>slower isn't necessarily worse. The racing is much closer and the cars >>handle better. And they're not THAT much slower. Typical Glen laps are >>in the 1.10's and pedal to the metal all the way. > > > Sounds like the F2's and F3's. People who like those will probably like the > '65 mod. Same for those that hate those cars. > > >>>Were the cars more difficult to handle than their '67 versions?? >> >>Slightly easier to drive actually and you can really hang some good >>slides through corners. The main thing is that the grids and racing will >>be really tight. At somewhere like the Glen the difference between an >>alien driver and a normal one will only be a second or so. > > > I find that the difference between the aliens and humans is *magnified* with > the slower cars. > Because of that, I've never been a big fan of F2 and F3, and likely won't be a > fan of the '65 cars. I'll try it, but I'm not holding my breath.

The 65's are very different to the F2/F3 cars.

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> > > The 65 Mod basically *is* a more reasonable, realistic level. These guys > have tweaked their butts off for nearly two years to get it as close as > possible. > > Of course, that's not to mention the new cars (car graphics), each with > it's own new handling characteristics, from the Lotus 33 to the BRM P261 > to a superb-looking Ferrari, etc etc.

Nice init http://www.gpljunk.nildram.co.uk/~kclark/65mod2.jpg :-) > The same improved/tweaked model will probably (!) be used for a '66 Mod' > as well, and the biggest goal for the longer term I guess will be the 55 > Mod - yep, the Fangio era. This should take far less time since the main > mod things for GPL have now been just about figured out. It's looking more likely that it'll be later in the 50's as the '55 season wasn't terribly exciting. I've already driven early physics from '55 and '37 and it's quite exciting. The cars feel heavier and drift alot too. Certainly interesting future projects from the mod team.

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:06:33 GMT, Tony Rickard wrote: > Though not of interest to me a lot of time & effort has gone into gplrank. > An early '68 mod looks the most obvious, modelling the cars before wings > and they weren't that much different to the 67 machines. Leaving the > originla Papy season intact. While I don't have much in-depth knowledge of the current gplrank internals (Ed, Brian et al. will know more), I think it should not be a big problem setting up a "new" rank for the mods or even an improved version of the original 67 rank, keeping the old rank for posterity. We faced much the same problem when the N200X patches and mods became available, and Christoph, Carl and others have done a wonderful job sorting it all out. Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> "JP" wrote: > > > Yes, it could. The '67 exe has been fixed. But it won't be released. > > The ones in the know reason for this, is because they don't want to > > invalidate the current hotlap records. > > > > Lousy excuse imo, but whatever. Typical gpl in many ways; lets worry > > more about an old one lap wonder time,(probably made by someone who > > doesn't even use gpl anymore) then doing something that quite possibly > > would improve the overall product, or gasp, racing. > > Though not of interest to me a lot of time & effort has gone into gplrank. > An early '68 mod looks the most obvious, modelling the cars before wings > and they weren't that much different to the 67 machines. Leaving the > originla Papy season intact. > > Cheers > Tony

Like Uwe said. Every Nascar sims patches have changed the physics, wouldn't be any different here. <shrug> to keep a hotlap record intact vs. far more benefits just seems like a very lame reason to me. > > >

Ruud Dingemans <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c67rmr$1rg$[email hidden]... > JP wrote: > > > one of the things that caused a lack of interest in > > gpl for me. Racing wasn't racing; all you had to do was stay on thetrack,

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> > and you were assured of a good finish, since most everyone else was > > overdriving. > > > Well, sounds like real racing to me then. > > What do you think would happen if we'd ACTUALLY all got into formula cars? > > Besides, that's racing. To finish first you must first finish. > > And in GPL type of cars, that's just plain difficult. Even the real aces > didn't actually always drive flawless races. > > Regards, Rudy > -------------------- > GPLRank: -22

Um.....not quite sure what a reference to us actually getting into the cars is for, but whatever. We're talking a GAME here, not real cars. And sure, it's difficult. All the more reason to drive within your limits, which isn't what takes place the majority of the time in a gpl race.

"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote here on 21 Apr 2004: > Yes, it could. The '67 exe has been fixed. But it won't be > released. > The ones in the know reason for this, is because they don't want > to invalidate the current hotlap records. > > Lousy excuse imo<snip> I agree - it's a ludicrous reason on the face of it. Call it "67fixed" or something, and there we are. Sure, it would rely on people's honesty to submit their times to the right section... but that's exactly what happens with player.ini times anyway. I could understand if the people in question wanted to do mods like this (very interesting-sounding) '65 one *instead* of fixing '67. But if, as I infer from your wording, that fix *has* been done, then it seems silly to withhold it just for the hotlap time reason. Surely there must be something more than that? -- Above address *is* valid - but snip spamtrap to get me to *read*! Support the world's oldest motorsport venue! http://www.shelsley-walsh.co.uk/future.html

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> "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote here on 21 Apr 2004: > > >> Yes, it could. The '67 exe has been fixed. But it won't be >> released. >>The ones in the know reason for this, is because they don't want >>to invalidate the current hotlap records. >> >> Lousy excuse imo > > <snip> > > I agree - it's a ludicrous reason on the face of it. Call it > "67fixed" or something, and there we are. Sure, it would rely on > people's honesty to submit their times to the right section... but > that's exactly what happens with player.ini times anyway. > > I could understand if the people in question wanted to do mods like > this (very interesting-sounding) '65 one *instead* of fixing '67. But > if, as I infer from your wording, that fix *has* been done, then it > seems silly to withhold it just for the hotlap time reason. Surely > there must be something more than that? >

I think it's partly to do with respecting papyrus. To turn up and 'fix' something they worked hard on is a bit of an insult so it would make more sense to just create an early 68 mod. You can all use the same gfx as '67 (just swap the folder names about). Then people can drive whichever they like.

Are you serious? DMCA maybe, but youre putting a serious spin if you think it's about respect... > I think it's partly to do with respecting papyrus. To turn up and 'fix' > something they worked hard on is a bit of an insult so it would make > more sense to just create an early 68 mod. You can all use the same gfx > as '67 (just swap the folder names about). Then people can drive > whichever they like. >

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> David Buttery wrote: > > "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote here on 21 Apr 2004: > > > > > >> Yes, it could. The '67 exe has been fixed. But it won't be > >> released. > >>The ones in the know reason for this, is because they don't want > >>to invalidate the current hotlap records. > >> > >> Lousy excuse imo > > > > <snip> > > > > I agree - it's a ludicrous reason on the face of it. Call it > > "67fixed" or something, and there we are. Sure, it would rely on > > people's honesty to submit their times to the right section... but > > that's exactly what happens with player.ini times anyway. > > > > I could understand if the people in question wanted to do mods like > > this (very interesting-sounding) '65 one *instead* of fixing '67. But > > if, as I infer from your wording, that fix *has* been done, then it > > seems silly to withhold it just for the hotlap time reason. Surely > > there must be something more than that? > > > > I think it's partly to do with respecting papyrus. To turn up and 'fix' > something they worked hard on is a bit of an insult so it would make > more sense to just create an early 68 mod. You can all use the same gfx > as '67 (just swap the folder names about). Then people can drive > whichever they like.

Well, since Papy themselves acknowledge the flaws, don't know why this would be. Plus, the exe is already hacked anyway. >

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:10:40 +0000, Kevin Clark <[email hidden]> wrote: >I think it's partly to do with respecting papyrus. To turn up and 'fix' >something they worked hard on is a bit of an insult so it would make >more sense to just create an early 68 mod. You can all use the same gfx >as '67 (just swap the folder names about). Then people can drive >whichever they like. Considering Kaemmer himself has said GPL is so crude he can't play it anymore, I don't see what the big deal is. Jason

> >> Yes, it could. The '67 exe has been fixed. But it won't be > >> released. > >>The ones in the know reason for this, is because they don't want > >>to invalidate the current hotlap records. > >> Could it be, because they'd like to avoid to fiasco that happened when that infernal engine switcher was dropped on the community? I'd still like to shoot those guys. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO MARA TransAm GPL Rank + 17.410 MoGPL Rank + 318.294 N2003 Rank -12.4850 ---------------- Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward -----------------

"ZZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ETdic.512164$[email hidden]... > Could it be, because they'd like to avoid to fiasco that happened whenthat > infernal engine switcher was dropped on the community? > > I'd still like to shoot those guys. I guess you don't realise that it's the same people making the 65 mod, and the ones that could potentially make a modified 67 season ;-) Still want to shoot them? Malc.

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:24:31 +0000, Kevin Clark <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's looking more likely that it'll be later in the 50's as the '55 >season wasn't terribly exciting. I've already driven early physics from >'55 and '37 and it's quite exciting. The cars feel heavier and drift >alot too. Certainly interesting future projects from the mod team. How are they planning on implementing tire wear and pitstops in the 50's cars? Jason

[email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote here on 23 Apr 2004: > Considering Kaemmer himself has said GPL is so crude he can't play > it anymore, I don't see what the big deal is. *sigh* I do think it's a shame when people feel like that. I still play Revs, you know! -- Above address *is* valid - but snip spamtrap to get me to *read*! Support the world's oldest motorsport venue! http://www.shelsley-walsh.co.uk/future.html

[email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote in news:408989b7.83704750 @news.telerama.com: > How are they planning on implementing tire wear and pitstops in the > 50's cars? I think you know the answer already. They aren't because they can't. -- Ped Xing

>I guess you don't realise that it's the same people making the 65 mod, >and the ones that could potentially make a modified 67 season ;-) >Still want to shoot them? >Malc. In short, Yes -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO MARA TransAm GPL Rank + 17.410 MoGPL Rank + 318.294 N2003 Rank -12.4850 ---------------- Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward -----------------

Ruud Dingemans <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c67reo$gsv$[email hidden]: > ZZ wrote:<snip>

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> > >And can it be released as a > > new GPL? New and improved GPL'67, > > > Well, yes and no, kind of. The mod team have long ago decided not to > mess with GPL '67 itself, but there ARE serious plans to by and large > compensate for this for doing the "Early 68" mod. > > In other words, to take the 67 cars which were used in the early 68 > races (before wings popped up) and then tweak their physics to a higher > level. This will basically get you what you'd like, just in another > context. > > The same improved/tweaked model will probably (!) be used for a '66 > Mod' as well, and the biggest goal for the longer term I guess will be > the 55 Mod - yep, the Fangio era. This should take far less time since > the main mod things for GPL have now been just about figured out.

I wonder why any mod has to simulate one or another historic season. If the engineers in 196x had 900bhp engine passing regulations they would surely put it into the car :)) Why can't we have just have more power? I'd settle for original 1967 cars with 900 bhp engines :)) Those straights at Monza and Spa are just plain annoying. The car has already reached its top speed day before yesterday and you're still sitting there as an idiot waiting when you finally arrive to the next corner. Almost like driving on the highway :( Alex.

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>I wonder why any mod has to simulate one or another historic season. If the >engineers in 196x had 900bhp engine passing regulations they >would surely put it into the car :)) Why can't we have just have more >power? I'd settle for original 1967 cars with 900 bhp engines :)) >Those straights at Monza and Spa are just plain annoying. The car has >already reached its top speed day before yesterday and you're still sitting >there as an idiot waiting when you finally arrive to the next corner. >Almost like driving on the highway :( >

Perhaps you need to just lengthen the gearing a bit. :) -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

"ZZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rgiic.485988$[email hidden]... > >Still want to shoot them? > > >Malc. > > In short, Yes Is 'free' not good enough value for money for you or something? How can you feel wronged by something offered free that you don't have to use? If someone doesn't want to make a modified 67 season & no one else knows how to, tough luck. I regularly race on vroc & have done for years, only once have I ever come across a Bronda, and the driver was crap anyway. I could understand people's concerns about GEM+ prior to it's being released, but 2-3 years on it has made sod all difference to the pick-up races (ie we are not awash with Brondas) and it has helped create different formulae to appeal to less hardcore drivers. Perhaps you would be good enough to give the long answer to my question, unless it's "Yes, because I'm a gun-toting nut" in which case give it a miss imo. Malc.

"alexti" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I wonder why any mod has to simulate one or another historic season.If the > engineers in 196x had 900bhp engine passing regulations they > would surely put it into the car :)) Why can't we have just have more > power? I'd settle for original 1967 cars with 900 bhp engines :)) > Those straights at Monza and Spa are just plain annoying. The car has > already reached its top speed day before yesterday and you're stillsitting > there as an idiot waiting when you finally arrive to the next corner. > Almost like driving on the highway :( Who was it that said "When you can leave black lines from the end of one corner to the beginning of the next you have enough power" ? ;-) Malc.

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> "ZZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ETdic.512164$[email hidden]... > > > Could it be, because they'd like to avoid to fiasco that happened when > that > > infernal engine switcher was dropped on the community? > > > > I'd still like to shoot those guys. > > I guess you don't realise that it's the same people making the 65 mod, > and the ones that could potentially make a modified 67 season ;-) > > Still want to shoot them? > > Malc.

Not to mention the tons of work they've put into iGOR - which will actually prevent cheating from that "infernal engine switcher". Maybe they've just decided they want to turn thier talents towards something that's significantly different from the original '67 season. I've got exactly 0 complaints about what's to come, and in what order. Kendt

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> > "ZZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ETdic.512164$[email hidden]... > > > > > Could it be, because they'd like to avoid to fiasco that happened when > > that > > > infernal engine switcher was dropped on the community? > > > > > > I'd still like to shoot those guys. > > > > I guess you don't realise that it's the same people making the 65 mod, > > and the ones that could potentially make a modified 67 season ;-) > > > > Still want to shoot them? > > > > Malc. > > Not to mention the tons of work they've put into iGOR - which will > actually prevent cheating from that "infernal engine switcher". Maybe > they've just decided they want to turn thier talents towards something > that's significantly different from the original '67 season. I've got > exactly 0 complaints about what's to come, and in what order. > > Kendt

Um, you make it sound like some kind of work would need to be done for the '67 season. It's already done. Just won't be released.

>Who was it that said "When you can leave black lines from the end of one >corner to the beginning of the next you have enough power" ? ;-) Carroll Shelby? Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in news:[email hidden]: >>Who was it that said "When you can leave black lines from the end of one >>corner to the beginning of the next you have enough power" ? ;-) > > Carroll Shelby? > > Eldred Somebody here had it on their sig line for a long long time. I'd say it was the Boy Genius ...Mark Donahue. Probably spoken about the time he was destroying Can Am with the 1000+hp twinturbo Porche 917-30. But that is just a guess. dave henrie

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> > >> Yes, it could. The '67 exe has been fixed. But it won't be > > >> released. > > >>The ones in the know reason for this, is because they don't want > > >>to invalidate the current hotlap records. > > >> > > Could it be, because they'd like to avoid to fiasco that happened when

that > infernal engine switcher was dropped on the community? > > I'd still like to shoot those guys. There was a concern at its launch but it really didn't have any impact and it wasn't long before detection mechanisms followed anyway. I would imagine it has paved the way for the more significant mods we are about to see with GPL65 and the development has matured to detect mods before starting online racing rather after analysing replays. Personally I would like to thank these guys, not shoot them! Cheers Tony

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:36:34 +0100, Malc wrote: > > Who was it that said "When you can leave black lines from the end of one > corner to the beginning of the next you have enough power" ? ;-) > Mark Donohue? uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0Oxic.88$[email hidden]... > > >Who was it that said "When you can leave black lines from the endof one > > >corner to the beginning of the next you have enough power" ? ;-) > Mark Donahue http://www.2foolsracing.com/quotes.asp "If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." -Mario Andretti Malc.

Thanks for the link, Malc. I think Roger Penske was quoted as saying: "Luck is where preparation meets opportunity." Jim Malc wrote:

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>"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:0Oxic.88$[email hidden]... > > > >>>>Who was it that said "When you can leave black lines from the end >>>> >>>> >of one > > >>>>corner to the beginning of the next you have enough power" ? ;-) >>>> >>>> > > > >> Mark Donahue >> >> > >http://www.2foolsracing.com/quotes.asp > >"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." >-Mario Andretti > >Malc. > > > >

"The Carvalho Family" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks for the link, Malc. > > I think Roger Penske was quoted as saying: "Luck is where preparation > meets opportunity." IIRC Jim Clark said something along the lines of "If you make a mistake in a corner & don't crash you weren't going fast enough" Malc.

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> Malc wrote: > > >"JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:0Oxic.88$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > >>>>Who was it that said "When you can leave black lines from the end > >of one > >>>>corner to the beginning of the next you have enough power" ? ;-) > > > >> Mark Donahue > >> > >> > > > >http://www.2foolsracing.com/quotes.asp > > > >"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast

enough." > >-Mario Andretti > > > >Malc.

Agree with you and Uwe 100%. This is really silly if it is true. Marc "JP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PCUhc.9$[email hidden]... > > Tony Rickard <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Z9Khc.662$[email hidden]... > > "JP" wrote: > > > > > Yes, it could. The '67 exe has been fixed. But it won't bereleased.

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> > > The ones in the know reason for this, is because they don't want to > > > invalidate the current hotlap records. > > > > > > Lousy excuse imo, but whatever. Typical gpl in many ways; lets worry > > > more about an old one lap wonder time,(probably made by someone who > > > doesn't even use gpl anymore) then doing something that quite possibly > > > would improve the overall product, or gasp, racing. > > > > Though not of interest to me a lot of time & effort has gone into

gplrank.

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> > An early '68 mod looks the most obvious, modelling the cars before wings > > and they weren't that much different to the 67 machines. Leaving the > > originla Papy season intact. > > > > Cheers > > Tony > > Like Uwe said. Every Nascar sims patches have changed the physics, > wouldn't be any different here. <shrug> to keep a hotlap record intact

vs. > far more benefits just seems like a very lame reason to me. > > > > > > > >