CPR: "best game of its type ever produced"

Enjoy ... http://cgw.gamespot.com/review/324e.html

Is this another review from a patient at the Betty Ford Clinic ???? Notice the con listed as STEEP system requirements: My guess would be: 300mhz Pentium II with 128 megs of RAM and 8mb video card. Of course this doesnt address the bad AI and general gameplay. Scott > Enjoy ... > http://cgw.gamespot.com/review/324e.html

And Dean Lester (curious email name-change, BTW), enjoy my comment to gamespot: Subject: CART: PR review by Scott A. May Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:54:40 -0800 This is the most utterly ridiculous, utterly incompetent, and most grossly over-glossed, false review I have ever had the distaste to read. His complete lack of sim-experience is shown by his complete lack of understanding of a game. I could go on and on by quoting his comments and then proving them incorrect with referral upon referral to R.A.S. I won't bother, however, since from now on I will not ever pay money for or waste my time with Computer *** World due to this completely <words fail me at this time....> review. John Wehman

I noticed that the review had lots of great things to say about the interface, graphics, performance wrt hardware, etc. Then I tried to find any comments about gameplay ... > Enjoy ... > http://cgw.gamespot.com/review/324e.html

I do wonder if the guy who wrote this ***actually played the game, and not just had a peek at some screen shots.

This is a CC of a note I sent to the GCW editors. I do believe this is futile though :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------- I just read your review of Cart Precision Racing. I think it is the most utterly false and completely objectionable reviews I have ever read. It is obvious to me and just about all of the rec.autos.simulators community that this magazine is very much in need of quality auto racing reviewers. If you really need help let me know I may be able to find someone who knows what they are talking about. For starters, your so called review doesn't even call attention to the horrid AI. Why is that? It also does not discuss the lack of yellows. Why? Or the ease of which you can lap the entire filed at the highest level of difficulty on ovals (twice within 10% race distance). How can you properly setup a car without tire temperatures? Between this and your apparent inability to understand the current 3d video card situation (ask Denny what I am talking about), I am seriously considering terminating my subscription -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

Scott pointed out the steep system requirement mentioned as a "Con" in the article's summary... What strikes me as pretty funny, is that at the same time, "excellent frame rate" is listed as a "Pro"!?! WTF? I mean, couldn't you say that about ANY sim? I see the guy's point, though. On a fast system, your car in CPR just "feels" fast. Of course, he was probably using a TRUE D3D accelerator, instead of a 3dfx-compatible facsimile! Just kidding! <ow...OW!> JUST KIDDING! STOP! <running for cover> :) In regards to the "best game" comment, despite its faults, it's still my favorite sim to sit down at and run a few laps. Of course, I still give F1RS a spin every now and then...like, when I'm in the mood for riding lawnmower racing (maneuverable as hell, but slow as Christmas). Sean PS: I still think it's funny that every positive CPR review is greeted with such ridicule and scorn (even if I do occasionally contribute).

Sean, I did miss that framerate comment. Of course if you are running it on a 300mhz with 64-128 megs of ram and a D3D card.. then you damn well better have good framerate ;) BTW - that 3dfx comment can get you sentenced to death row by some on this group =) Scott

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> Scott pointed out the steep system requirement mentioned as a "Con" in > the article's summary... What strikes me as pretty funny, is that at > the same time, "excellent frame rate" is listed as a "Pro"!?! WTF? I > mean, couldn't you say that about ANY sim? I see the guy's point, > though. On a fast system, your car in CPR just "feels" fast. Of > course, he was probably using a TRUE D3D accelerator, instead of a > 3dfx-compatible facsimile! Just kidding! <ow...OW!> JUST KIDDING! > STOP! <running for cover> :) > In regards to the "best game" comment, despite its faults, it's still my > favorite sim to sit down at and run a few laps. Of course, I still give > F1RS a spin every now and then...like, when I'm in the mood for riding > lawnmower racing (maneuverable as hell, but slow as Christmas). > Sean > PS: I still think it's funny that every positive CPR review is greeted > with such ridicule and scorn (even if I do occasionally contribute).

>In regards to the "best game" comment, despite its faults, it's still my >favorite sim to sit down at and run a few laps. Of course, I still give >F1RS a spin every now and then...like, when I'm in the mood for riding >lawnmower racing (maneuverable as hell, but slow as Christmas). Just curious, what type of system (and vid card) do you have? (I forgot if you mentioned) And how much have you actually played F1RS? Should tell you something then. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

<snip> I am seriously considering terminating my subscription >-- >Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. Is that all? What are the good points of this subscription that would result in you keeping it?

> Just curious, what type of system (and vid card) do you have? (I forgot > if you mentioned) And how much have you actually played F1RS? I'm running a GW2000 P2/300 w/64MB. Video is an STB Velocity 128 + Monster 3D. I've actually spent quite a few hours with F1, typically at Monza or Monoco. If you're interested in my criticisms of F1, the following things irk me a bit: The Super Mario***pit! I'm surprised no one's mentioned how lame the ***pit looks (cf. the configurable dual display in CPR). The graphics on the whole often strike me as very cartoonish. Sometimes, like when I'm watching the external views of a rainy race at Monoco I'm just amazed; other times the game just looks cheesy. CPR isn't always as "pretty", but looks more realistic. The real killer, as I've said before, is the complete absence of any sensation of speed (framerate IS awesome, though). When I come out of the last turn at Monza, for example, and start creeping over 200mph on the front straight, it feels like I'm not even moving. It sort of feels like I'm sitting motionless and the scenery is being dragged by me. On occasions where I set up a pass here, or end up racing wheel-to-wheel, there's just no e***ment! Also as I weave through turns, sometimes upwards of 100mph, it's about as thrilling as pulling out of my driveway! In CPR, you KNOW you're hauling ass! I think it's a combo of the chassis vibration, the sound effects, and the road and wall texturing...who knows? It just feels faster! That said, I think F1 is a great game. In fact, my major complaint about N2, CPR, and F1RS collectively, is that I can never decide which one to play! For several reasons, I usually decide on CPR. I think the problem a lot of people have is that they're not so open-minded... I think a few nits with a game, an irrepressible need to feel superior to something, and the fact that it's much easier to say something mean than to say something nice, allows a pretty cool game like CPR to become everyone's favorite chewtoy and MS/TRI becomes the anti-christ! It's one of the mysteries of the net why some people seem to so actively pursue the things they purport to hate! I'll never forget visiting (very briefly) the Papyrus boards on Genie shortly after the original ICR was released. Papyrus had already abandoned the board and all that remained were vehement, downright hateful World Circuit fans. If anyone showed up saying anything remotely positive about ICR or Papyrus, they were ripped to shreds. Why? Why were those people there EVERY day if they hated the game so much? Unfortunately, I see that to varying degrees all over usenet, whether the topic is television, movies, music, or games. Yep... Continuing my rant above, it tells me that r.a.s., like every other newsgroup, is ofttimes dominated by some of the most anal, elitist, hyper-critical people in the world; and, if my opinion sometimes deviates from this "group collective", so much the better. Besides, I've never had a problem being a lone voice in a crowd...unless it's a crowd of Narns with baseball bats! :-o Sean

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>I'm running a GW2000 P2/300 w/64MB. Video is an STB Velocity 128 + Monster >3D. I've actually spent quite a few hours with F1, typically at Monza or >Monoco. If you're interested in my criticisms of F1, the following things >irk me a bit: >The Super Mario***pit! I'm surprised no one's mentioned how lame the >cockpit looks (cf. the configurable dual display in CPR).

Lame***pit huh? In UBIsoft F1RS? Wow. Cartoonish? Not the game I'm playing. I'm starting to wonder if your 3dfx card is working, because this just doesn't sound right. It does seem that you and Randy are playing the same game thought. Which could mean you are playing the D3D version of the game not the Glide version. I simply do not know how anyone playing hte Glide version of the game can come to that conclusion. faster! Well F1RS has chassis vibration & all that stuff too. So I just don't understand. I have driven and raced at 10 of the F1RS tracks (probably 5-6 hours per track) and what you describe is not what I have been playing. I don't see how you can think F1RS is a great game. Your negative points would kill the game for me if I was seeing it. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

It's one of the mysteries of the net why some Hi Sean, Man you sure hit this nail right on the head! I frequent the CPR sites on the web mainly the Apex. Its message board is full of supposed CPR haters who hate it so much seems they always check in daily hehe. Seems like the jilted boys who couldn't handle the #1 babe so now they have to make fun of her or do the sour grapes routine i.e.: Ah she was a dog I didn't really want her anyway. But as a side note I always wondered why more posters didn't like CPR now I know. They are all out racing it in H2H on the web the majority I have met at the Zone have never been here. Aloha, Mike

snip > Hi Sean, > Man you sure hit this nail right on the head! I frequent the > CPR sites on the web mainly the Apex. Its message board is full of supposed > CPR haters who hate it so much seems they always check in daily hehe. Seems > like the jilted boys who couldn't handle the #1 babe so now they have to Eeeh, #1 babe, as in: has to grow up to become a sim...? ;&^) BTW, I'm still interested in the patched version. That's maybe the reason a lot of people are still checking the sites. There's always some hope left. Don't take it personal, it's just my opinion! I hope you can take it like a man. l8er ronny -- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> Man you sure hit this nail right on the head! I frequent the > CPR sites on the web mainly the Apex. Its message board is full of supposed > CPR haters who hate it so much seems they always check in daily hehe. Seems > like the jilted boys who couldn't handle the #1 babe so now they have to > make fun of her or do the sour grapes routine i.e.: Ah she was a dog I > didn't really want her anyway. But as a side note I always wondered why > more posters didn't like CPR now I know. They are all out racing it in H2H > on the web the majority I have met at the Zone have never been here. Aloha, > Mike

Hi Mike, I've been on the Zone, and still find CPR lacking as a sim. No full course yellows, missing tire temps (best way to see how your setup will hold up), and poor AI...The list goes on. I'm sure that many of apparent problems with CPR are a matter of taste, but a lack of the above-mentioned features only keeps CPR from being an honest_to_goodness sim IMHO. No witch_hunt, just the facts man. ;) Cheers! Marc -- (please remove '*' when replying) Sim Racing News - http://www.simproject.com/simnews The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

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> Man you sure hit this nail right on the head! I frequent the > CPR sites on the web mainly the Apex. Its message board is full of supposed > CPR haters who hate it so much seems they always check in daily hehe. Seems > like the jilted boys who couldn't handle the #1 babe so now they have to > make fun of her or do the sour grapes routine i.e.: Ah she was a dog I > didn't really want her anyway. But as a side note I always wondered why > more posters didn't like CPR now I know. They are all out racing it in H2H > on the web the majority I have met at the Zone have never been here. Aloha, > Mike

Hi Mike, I've been on the Zone, and still find CPR lacking as a sim. No full course yellows, missing tire temps (best way to see how your setup will hold up), and poor AI...The list goes on. I'm sure that many of apparent problems with CPR are a matter of taste, but a lack of the above-mentioned features only keeps CPR from being an honest_to_goodness sim IMHO. No witch_hunt, just the facts man. ;) Cheers! Marc -- (please remove '*' when replying) Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

Actually, slamming is cool if it is warranted. In CPR's case it is :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. >> BTW, I'm still interested in the patched version. That's maybe the >> reason >> a lot of people are still checking the sites. There's always some hope >> left. >checking in is cool coming to whine and slam is uncool. >> Don't take it personal, it's just my opinion! I hope you can take it >> like a man. >No sweat here I dont take it personal at all. And oh yea I can take it and >give it like a man. Alooooooooooha ronny >> l8er >> ronny >> -- >> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, >> ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. >> |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, >> '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

checking in is cool coming to whine and slam is uncool. No sweat here I dont take it personal at all. And oh yea I can take it and give it like a man. Alooooooooooha ronny

Tisk, Tisk, Replies like this make me wonder if you've ever heard the story of the Little Red Hen? Also do your folks know your on thier compter?;-0 > Actually, slamming is cool if it is warranted. In CPR's case > it is :-) > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

> I'm starting to wonder if your 3dfx card is working, because this just > doesn't sound right. It does seem that you and Randy are playing the > same game thought. Which could mean you are playing the D3D version > of the game not the Glide version. I simply do not know how anyone > playing hte Glide version of the game can come to that conclusion. Oh, SHIT! I just checked my shortcut and it was pointing to "diddykong.exe"! WTF? I switched it to "f1voo.exe", and what can I say? F1RS rocks! Sean - New High Priest of the Church of F1RS

> I just checked my shortcut and it was pointing to "diddykong.exe"! LOL!! -- Marc J. Nelson Sim Racing News - http://www.simproject.com/simnews <remove '*' before replying>

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> > Just curious, what type of system (and vid card) do you have? (I forgot > > if you mentioned) And how much have you actually played F1RS? > I'm running a GW2000 P2/300 w/64MB. Video is an STB Velocity 128 + Monster > 3D. I've actually spent quite a few hours with F1, typically at Monza or > Monoco. If you're interested in my criticisms of F1, the following things > irk me a bit: > The Super Mario***pit! I'm surprised no one's mentioned how lame the >***pit looks (cf. the configurable dual display in CPR).

<snip> Yeah, that's what I thought about the***pits; even though they went to the trouble to make them all different, I thought they looked pretty cheesy- until I found***pit pictures in my '96 Autocourse annual of the Ferrari, Sauber, and Jordan. They are really pretty accurate. Of course they did add in the damage indicator lcd, and each team's logo, and not everybody has the redline leds on the to top of the dash(Schumacher's is on his steering wheel). But everything else in the F1RS***pit is in the actual ***pit, in about the same location - given the limitations imposed by the extra items they added. I do like that the F1RS***pit doesn't take up a lot of the screen. -- "Feel Lucky, Scubaboy?" - Discovery Channel, Shark Week, 1995