RASF1: Imola re-try?

Since Stuart couldn't make the race, D. Johnson couldn't connect, and David and I didn't end up racing, why don't we just re-schedule for this weekend? Where's Larry? Phasor, Spudster, Ian P, etc? Let's race guys! -- Ped Xing

This weekend won't work for me either, got another autocross. Sorry 'bout that :( "Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Since Stuart couldn't make the race, D. Johnson couldn't connect, andDavid > and I didn't end up racing, why don't we just re-schedule for thisweekend? > Where's Larry? Phasor, Spudster, Ian P, etc? Let's race guys! > > -- > Ped Xing

>This weekend won't work for me either, got another autocross. Sorry 'bout >that :( Don't be sorry - you're racing for REAL. The rest of us are just sitting in front of CRTs and pretending...<g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>Since Stuart couldn't make the race, D. Johnson couldn't connect, and David >and I didn't end up racing, why don't we just re-schedule for this weekend? >Where's Larry? Phasor, Spudster, Ian P, etc? Let's race guys! I don't have a problem with hosting again. Maybe I can find some SPEED by then. Probably not... Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >This weekend won't work for me either, got another autocross. Sorry 'bout > >that :( > > Don't be sorry - you're racing for REAL. The rest of us are just sittingin > front of CRTs and pretending...<g> > > Eldred > -- I wouldn't really call autocross "real racing" :-P...in other news, if you're interested in seeing what I did, I've got video's from my three runs online. Go to http://www.beat2k.org/stu/ and right click and save as. The WMV files are 320x200 and have some frame drops...but they're tiny as all hell. The mpeg files are 720x480...much higher quality (almost as good as the base files weighing in at ~400 megs!). Hope to be able to make the next RASF1 race btw. -Stuart Becktell

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>I wouldn't really call autocross "real racing" :-P...in other news, if >you're interested in seeing what I did, I've got video's from my three runs >online. Go to http://www.beat2k.org/stu/ and right click and save as. The >WMV files are 320x200 and have some frame drops...but they're tiny as all >hell. The mpeg files are 720x480...much higher quality (almost as good as >the base files weighing in at ~400 megs!). Hope to be able to make the next >RASF1 race btw.

The object of racing is to complete a certain distance in a shorter time than your competitors. Ok, so you're going a bit slower than Earnhardt and friends on sunday, but what's the diff? A race against the clock is just as valid as a race against other cars on track at the same time. If it wasn't, then Rally races wouldn't be "real racing"...<g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

> The object of racing is to complete a certain distance in a shorter timethan > your competitors. Ok, so you're going a bit slower than Earnhardt andfriends > on sunday, but what's the diff? A race against the clock is just as validas a > race against other cars on track at the same time. If it wasn't, thenRally > races wouldn't be "real racing"...<g> > > Eldred I guess the thing I don't like about autocrossing is that it is such a short competition, and many of the skills used aren't used anywhere else. The one thing I really learned is how to learn a course quickly. I've done a few track days and I've learned more there then in the 2 years of autocross I've competed in. Theres a lot more I could go into...but lets just say I can't wait until I can afford to run in the barber dodge series. (4 years if I'm lucky) -Stuart Becktell

"Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in ..but lets just say I can't wait until I can afford to run in the > barber dodge series. (4 years if I'm lucky) > -Stuart Becktell > Wasn't Barber Dodge a casulty of CART's Bankruptcy? Toyota Atlantic is the only feeder series left in the Champcar ladder. dave henrie

EldredP wrote: > Don't be sorry - you're racing for REAL. The rest of us are just sitting in > front of CRTs and pretending...<g> Except that, of course, if you're trying to pretend faster than the other guy (or girl), it's still a race... ;) Regards, Rudy -------------------- GPLRank: -22

"Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Since Stuart couldn't make the race, D. Johnson couldn't connect, andDavid > and I didn't end up racing, why don't we just re-schedule for thisweekend? > Where's Larry? Phasor, Spudster, Ian P, etc? Let's race guys! > > -- > Ped Xing Time zone problems mean I can't do it. J.R.

Ped Xing wrote: > Since Stuart couldn't make the race, D. Johnson couldn't connect, and > David and I didn't end up racing, why don't we just re-schedule for > this weekend? Where's Larry? Phasor, Spudster, Ian P, etc? Let's > race guys! At the moment I'm unable to race, my Wife has decided that my "room" is now to be a bedroom / study so I've been downgraded to a small desk that I can't get my wheel on. As soon as I've built or bought some kind of cockpit I'll be back for as many races as I can make. (Not always possible due to the race clashing with Sunday lunch at my Mum's ;) ) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

"EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > > I don't have a problem with hosting again. Maybe I can find > some SPEED by then. Probably not... At Imola you predominantly need accelleration and stopping power. You want some download, but you don't want to be pushing big wings around like at Hungaroring. In qualifying you can sacrifise some top speed to dowload to get a faster laptime, but otherwise concentrate on your mechanical grap and the ability to trash it over the curbs in the chichanes. Jan. =---

Nope, that was Indy lights. Barber dodge is still kicking, http://www.barberdodge.com/ for info. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in > ..but lets just say I can't wait until I can afford to run in the > > barber dodge series. (4 years if I'm lucky) > > -Stuart Becktell > > > Wasn't Barber Dodge a casulty of CART's Bankruptcy? > > Toyota Atlantic is the only feeder series left in the Champcar ladder. > > dave henrie > >

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Since Stuart couldn't make the race, D. Johnson couldn't connect, andDavid > >and I didn't end up racing, why don't we just re-schedule for thisweekend? > >Where's Larry? Phasor, Spudster, Ian P, etc? Let's race guys! > > I don't have a problem with hosting again. Maybe I can find some SPEED by > then. Probably not... > > Eldred If you'd like a setup, let me know. I worked a bit on one last night, and dropped my time down to 1:21. It feels very stable to me, and can be run as a Q or race setup with a good amount fuel. The fastest lap I know of (that's legit) is a 1:20.4, so it is a pretty quick setup IMO. David G Fisher

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:64qjc.88020$[email hidden]...

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> "EldredP" wrote... > > > <snip> > > > > I don't have a problem with hosting again. Maybe I can find > > some SPEED by then. Probably not... > > At Imola you predominantly need accelleration and stopping power. You want > some download, but you don't want to be pushing big wings around like at > Hungaroring. In qualifying you can sacrifise some top speed to dowload to > get a faster laptime, but otherwise concentrate on your mechanical grap

and > the ability to trash it over the curbs in the chichanes. > > Jan. I worked on a setup last night and wings of 48/46 are fine. Can easily do low 1:22 with those wing settings. Would be best for him to start out high, and then drop them down a bit after some practice if he wants. I am using 46/44 on a setup that enables me to do a 1:21. Still needs to be tweaked a bit, but you can definitely run high wings at this track and still be fast. Some curbs can be used, but others should definitely be avoided. Like all the tracks in this sim, a driver needs to be ultra precise and find the perfect line lap after lap in order to be fast. There isn't a better sim (ever) at helping a sim driver to hone their road course racing skills. Everything else seems very slow and like a Sunday drive compared to these F1 cars. You have to place the wheels of these rockets literally within inches of the perfect line, combined with precise throttle control, or your lap will suffer. *Exactly* like the real F1 drivers. -- David G Fisher

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>I guess the thing I don't like about autocrossing is that it is such a short >competition, and many of the skills used aren't used anywhere else. The one >thing I really learned is how to learn a course quickly. I've done a few >track days and I've learned more there then in the 2 years of autocross I've >competed in. Theres a lot more I could go into...but lets just say I can't >wait until I can afford to run in the barber dodge series. (4 years if I'm >lucky)

I hope you get to the Barber Dodge series and do well. If I hadn't screwed up my finances so badly a few years ago, I'd be doing it. Racing has been a dream that now looks like will go unfulfilled. I'm getting too old to get started, unless I was totally self-financed. I don't see how *that's* gonna happen, unless this lotto ticket I bought tonight pays off...<g> Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>At the moment I'm unable to race, my Wife has decided that my "room" is now >to be a bedroom / study so I've been downgraded to a small desk that I can't >get my wheel on. Oh, how the mighty have fallen... :-) Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

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>Like all the tracks in this sim, a driver needs to be ultra precise and find >the perfect line lap after lap in order to be fast. There isn't a better sim >(ever) at helping a sim driver to hone their road course racing skills. >Everything else seems very slow and like a Sunday drive compared to these F1 >cars. You have to place the wheels of these rockets literally within inches >of the perfect line, combined with precise throttle control, or your lap >will suffer. > >*Exactly* like the real F1 drivers.

I can agree with that, and that's my problem. For some reason(computer, monitor, whatever), what I perceive the car to be doing and what it's actually doing are usually two different things. I'm having difficulty making the car go exactly where I want it to go. You could tell me to go through a turn and put my rf wheel a foot from the curb, and I probably couldn't do it 9 times out of 10. I don't have that problem in my road car, and I didn't have that problem at Laguna Seca. Something about computer games is screwing me up. Depth perception of a 2D image, maybe. I don't get the feedback that I need to be able to drive correctly, and don't yet know how to fix that. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>If you'd like a setup, let me know. I worked a bit on one last night, and >dropped my time down to 1:21. It feels very stable to me, and can be run as >a Q or race setup with a good amount fuel. The fastest lap I know of (that's >legit) is a 1:20.4, so it is a pretty quick setup IMO. Yes, I'd be interested in trying your setup. I'll be back in the Williams Sunday(all cars equal setting), but maybe that will give me an idea of the *potential*... Thanks. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

I'd bet a CPU upgrade would make all the difference Eldred. F1C pushes my 2.6gig to the max so I'd guess your 1.2Athlon is spewing smoke ;) Anything under 20fps is about impossible to drive imo and I'd bet you're in that neighborhood in traffic. Mitch "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Like all the tracks in this sim, a driver needs to be ultra precise andfind > >the perfect line lap after lap in order to be fast. There isn't a bettersim > >(ever) at helping a sim driver to hone their road course racing skills. > >Everything else seems very slow and like a Sunday drive compared to theseF1 > >cars. You have to place the wheels of these rockets literally withininches

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> >of the perfect line, combined with precise throttle control, or your lap > >will suffer. > > > >*Exactly* like the real F1 drivers. > > I can agree with that, and that's my problem. For some reason(computer, > monitor, whatever), what I perceive the car to be doing and what it's

actually > doing are usually two different things. I'm having difficulty making thecar > go exactly where I want it to go. You could tell me to go through a turnand > put my rf wheel a foot from the curb, and I probably couldn't do it 9times out > of 10. I don't have that problem in my road car, and I didn't have that > problem at Laguna Seca. Something about computer games is screwing me up. > Depth perception of a 2D image, maybe. I don't get the feedback that Ineed to

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> be able to drive correctly, and don't yet know how to fix that. > > Eldred > -- > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Screamers League > IICC League > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na > N2k3 rank:in progress > Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro > US East

> I hope you get to the Barber Dodge series and do well. If I hadn'tscrewed up > my finances so badly a few years ago, I'd be doing it. Racing has been adream > that now looks like will go unfulfilled. I'm getting too old to getstarted, > unless I was totally self-financed. I don't see how *that's* gonnahappen, > unless this lotto ticket I bought tonight pays off...<g> > > Eldred Thanks for the encouragement, and just so you know I'm planning to be self financed for the Barber Dodge series unless I can completely 0wn people in the go kart racing I plan to do next year (missed the deadline to do it this year.) I'm hoping I can get a good paying job in IT that will allow me to finance as little as possible of the ~40grand that is required for a regional championship in Barber Dodge. Where do you live? As much as I dislike autocrosses, it is a good launching pad for track racing, if nothing else then that you learn to be self confident simply because you've only got 3 minutes total during the event to run. Car's don't matter at all either, I've got a Subaru Legacy wagon right now, but before this I had a 89 Corolla...at least with that car I learned about momentum. I'd do at least a few autocrosses first, then do a few track days and see how you do there. At the two track days I've done so far I've been outclassed car wise, but at the first one (first turn of Pocono) I was the second fastest car in my group, and at the second one I wasn't fast at all, but I learned how to be consistent, and no one kept up as much momentum through turn 10 as I did. Even if you can't afford Barber Dodge, there are a lot of other series that you can go into at a lower price, although it will be your own car. Minus the replacement cost, rally racing is relatively easy to get into. Buy a VW Rabbit for a few grand that is already built up, and you can run asap. Just because you might be getting older doesn't mean you can't at least have fun in racing. You might love autocrossing, I know a lot of people in my region swear by it. And with other series like NASA starting up, there are other outlets then just the SCCA to run in that might allow cheaper racing. -Stuart Becktell

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>>Like all the tracks in this sim, a driver needs to be ultra precise and find >>the perfect line lap after lap in order to be fast. There isn't a better sim >>(ever) at helping a sim driver to hone their road course racing skills. >>Everything else seems very slow and like a Sunday drive compared to these F1 >>cars. You have to place the wheels of these rockets literally within inches >>of the perfect line, combined with precise throttle control, or your lap >>will suffer. >> >>*Exactly* like the real F1 drivers. > > > I can agree with that, and that's my problem. For some reason(computer, > monitor, whatever), what I perceive the car to be doing and what it's actually > doing are usually two different things. I'm having difficulty making the car > go exactly where I want it to go. You could tell me to go through a turn and > put my rf wheel a foot from the curb, and I probably couldn't do it 9 times out > of 10. I don't have that problem in my road car, and I didn't have that > problem at Laguna Seca. Something about computer games is screwing me up. > Depth perception of a 2D image, maybe. I don't get the feedback that I need to > be able to drive correctly, and don't yet know how to fix that. > > Eldred

Hi Folks: Sorry I couldn't make it last weekend. I've had no time to practice. It's been a tough couple of weeks at work and it's hard to concentrate on any sim. Next week is also out for me. It is interesting that the two most CPU clock challenged drivers, Eldred and I, are way slower than anyone else. Something I noticed in a Sepang hotlap video Ian P sent was a low frequency "growling" as his tires neared their limits. I almost never hear that sound. So perhaps faster CPUs don't offer some feedback that others get. Are we running the RH mod now? Larry

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> "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>>Since Stuart couldn't make the race, D. Johnson couldn't connect, and > > David > >>>and I didn't end up racing, why don't we just re-schedule for this > > weekend? > >>>Where's Larry? Phasor, Spudster, Ian P, etc? Let's race guys! >> >>I don't have a problem with hosting again. Maybe I can find some SPEED by >>then. Probably not... >> >>Eldred > > > If you'd like a setup, let me know. I worked a bit on one last night, and > dropped my time down to 1:21. It feels very stable to me, and can be run as > a Q or race setup with a good amount fuel. The fastest lap I know of (that's > legit) is a 1:20.4, so it is a pretty quick setup IMO. > > David G Fisher

Hi David: I'd also like a setup. Can you send it to [email hidden]? Thanks Larry

On 28 Apr 2004 02:03:43 GMT, EldredP wrote: >>If you'd like a setup, let me know. I worked a bit on one last night, and >>dropped my time down to 1:21. It feels very stable to me, and can be run as >>a Q or race setup with a good amount fuel. The fastest lap I know of (that's >>legit) is a 1:20.4, so it is a pretty quick setup IMO. > > Yes, I'd be interested in trying your setup. I'll be back in the Williams me too! uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:20:11 GMT, Larry Lindstrom wrote: > Something I noticed in a Sepang hotlap video Ian P sent was a > low frequency "growling" as his tires neared their limits. I > almost never hear that sound. So perhaps faster CPUs don't > offer some feedback that others get. > Try using the GTR2002 tyre sqeal sound. It makes a lot of difference regarding sim feedback while nearing the limit of traction. Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

What files do we need to overwrite Uwe? Ive always felt that was one of F1C's weaknesses. In NR03 I can clearly tell when the tires reach the limit of adhesion which REALLY helps. Mitch "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Try using the GTR2002 tyre sqeal sound. It makes a lot of difference > regarding sim feedback while nearing the limit of traction. > > Cheers, > > uwe

Mitch waves his hand for a copy to DGF ;) "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RRKjc.46836$GR.6803972@attbi_s01... > > If you'd like a setup, let me know. I worked a bit on one last night,and > > dropped my time down to 1:21. It feels very stable to me, and can be runas > > a Q or race setup with a good amount fuel. The fastest lap I know of(that's

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> > legit) is a 1:20.4, so it is a pretty quick setup IMO. > > > > David G Fisher > > Hi David: > > I'd also like a setup. Can you send it to [email hidden]? > > Thanks > Larry

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>Thanks for the encouragement, and just so you know I'm planning to be self >financed for the Barber Dodge series unless I can completely 0wn people in >the go kart racing I plan to do next year (missed the deadline to do it this >year.) I'm hoping I can get a good paying job in IT that will allow me to >finance as little as possible of the ~40grand that is required for a >regional championship in Barber Dodge. >

I mentioned self financed because I'm too old to attract sponsors. They're looking for the next 19-y/o wunderkin... >Where do you live? Oak Park, MI(near Detroit)

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>As much as I dislike autocrosses, it is a good launching >pad for track racing, if nothing else then that you learn to be self >confident simply because you've only got 3 minutes total during the event to >run. Car's don't matter at all either, I've got a Subaru Legacy wagon right >now, but before this I had a 89 Corolla...at least with that car I learned >about momentum. I'd do at least a few autocrosses first, then do a few track >days and see how you do there. At the two track days I've done so far I've >been outclassed car wise, but at the first one (first turn of Pocono) I was >the second fastest car in my group, and at the second one I wasn't fast at >all, but I learned how to be consistent, and no one kept up as much momentum >through turn 10 as I did. > >Even if you can't afford Barber Dodge, there are a lot of other series that >you can go into at a lower price, although it will be your own car. Minus >the replacement cost, rally racing is relatively easy to get into. Buy a VW >Rabbit for a few grand that is already built up, and you can run asap. >

There was a series in Canada that I looked at a few years ago. The Barber Dodge series was something like $1999 for a race weekend. The one in Canada was something like $8000 for a 12-race season. It was four seperate 3-race weekends. It was also 'arrive and drive'. I don't know where I could do rally racing in Michigan.<g> >Just because you might be getting older doesn't mean you can't at least have >fun in racing. You might love autocrossing, I know a lot of people in my >region swear by it. And with other series like NASA starting up, there are >other outlets then just the SCCA to run in that might allow cheaper racing. >-Stuart Becktell Maybe in the next year or so I'll look further into it. Right now, it's impossible for me to try to field a car. I never checked the numbers on the lotto ticket, though. :-) Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

>I'd bet a CPU upgrade would make all the difference Eldred. F1C pushes my >2.6gig to the max so I'd guess your 1.2Athlon is spewing smoke ;) Anything >under 20fps is about impossible to drive imo and I'd bet you're in that >neighborhood in traffic. I only get 30 fps on a CLEAR track... I'm sure that it's a factor, but I know of many people who can lap faster with a slower system than mine. In other words, it's not the arrow, it's the Indian. :-) Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

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> It is interesting that the two most CPU clock challenged >drivers, Eldred and I, are way slower than anyone else. >Something I noticed in a Sepang hotlap video Ian P sent was a >low frequency "growling" as his tires neared their limits. I >almost never hear that sound. So perhaps faster CPUs don't >offer some feedback that others get. >

By the time I hear any feedback from the tires, I'm sliding sidways towards some immovable object... > Are we running the RH mod now? Not yet. I haven't loaded it. How does that affect tracks, cars, etc.? Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:27:57 GMT, Mitch_A wrote:

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> What files do we need to overwrite Uwe? Ive always felt that was one of > F1C's weaknesses. In NR03 I can clearly tell when the tires reach the limit > of adhesion which REALLY helps. > > Mitch > > "Uwe Schï¿œrkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Try using the > GTR2002 tyre sqeal sound. It makes a lot of difference >> regarding sim feedback while nearing the limit of traction. >> >> Cheers, >> >> uwe > >

I *think* it's the "skid_road_dry.wav" file in the audio/vehicle directory, but I'm not sure. Maybe a google search for that file name will bring better results. You can also drop the sounds from etcc and other mods in there if you like them better. Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

scratch that, it's "internal_skid_road_dry.wav". I found the backup file a second after posting the previous article 8-P uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Tks m8. Where ya been? We've missed ya the past few races. Mitch "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> scratch that, it's "internal_skid_road_dry.wav". I found the backup > file a second after posting the previous article 8-P > > uwe > > > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Ped Xing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Since Stuart couldn't make the race, D. Johnson couldn't connect, andDavid > and I didn't end up racing, why don't we just re-schedule for thisweekend? > Where's Larry? Phasor, Spudster, Ian P, etc? Let's race guys! > > -- > Ped Xing I take it you guys are playing F1C 99-02 or whatever it's called? From looking thru this thread the multiplayer aspect does sound fairly interesting. Is it generally considered a better sim than GP4? Can it be played proficiently using keys? I'll get around to a wheel one day :) Also, how important is a fast connection to the multiplayer game? I'm on broadband, but all the way from Australia :/

It's somewhat difficult to find a copy nowadays. Don't bother without a wheel. Imagine driving your car with on/off buttons :) We have an Aussie (Steve Whitty) that runs with us occasionally in NR2003 (although F1C is still behind) and he seems to have a great connection from down under. Mitch "PigDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c6p8fk$endu6$[email hidden]...

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> > I take it you guys are playing F1C 99-02 or whatever it's called? From > looking thru this thread the multiplayer aspect does sound fairly > interesting. Is it generally considered a better sim than GP4? Can it be > played proficiently using keys? I'll get around to a wheel one day :) > Also, how important is a fast connection to the multiplayer game? I'm on > broadband, but all the way from Australia :/ > >

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> >I take it you guys are playing F1C 99-02 or whatever it's called? From >looking thru this thread the multiplayer aspect does sound fairly >interesting. Is it generally considered a better sim than GP4? Can it be >played proficiently using keys? I'll get around to a wheel one day :) >Also, how important is a fast connection to the multiplayer game? I'm on >broadband, but all the way from Australia :/

It's a decent game, but the cars are a *lot* twitchier than in other games. I'd say you need a wheel to drive it well, though. Eldred -- http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Screamers League IICC League GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80 Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71 Hist. +82.34 MoH:na N2k3 rank:in progress Slayer Spektera lvl 72 assassin Slayer Spectral_K lvl 38 Necro US East

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MiYjc.57618$[email hidden]... > It's somewhat difficult to find a copy nowadays. Don't bother without a > wheel. Imagine driving your car with on/off buttons :) You probably could, after all Zanardi is now racing one with no legs! I might look around for a decent wheel later this month, and maybe a copy of the game might show up on ebay or something. > We have an Aussie (Steve Whitty) that runs with us occasionally in NR2003 > (although F1C is still behind) and he seems to have a great connectionfrom > down under. Sounds good enough :)

I don't know what Zanardi is using but I highly doubt it's an on/off type button. Im sure the paddles Zanardi uses have linear movement that replicates a foot type gas/brake pedal. Mitch "PigDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c6q840$f14p0$1@ID-> You probably could, after all Zanardi is now racing one with no legs!

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nO1kc.2916$[email hidden]... > I don't know what Zanardi is using but I highly doubt it's an on/off type > button. Im sure the paddles Zanardi uses have linear movement that > replicates a foot type gas/brake pedal. Well yes that would be for certain. Altho from my memory of attending the Melbourne GP which was his first race at Williams he couldn't even keep the thing on the track or pointed in the right direction. Perhaps he does indeed use some crazy on/off method. :P

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> > Mitch > > > "PigDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c6q840$f14p0$1@ID-> > You probably could, after all Zanardi is now racing one with no legs! > >

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nO1kc.2916$[email hidden]... > I don't know what Zanardi is using but I highly doubt it's an on/off type > button. Im sure the paddles Zanardi uses have linear movement that > replicates a foot type gas/brake pedal. Zanardi brakes with a pretty much standard brake pedal using his artificial legs, and has a ring mounted around the steering column behind his steering wheel which he uses to accelerate (pulls the ring further up the column towards the wheel to accelerate more). Tim -- ---------------- As we speak, Palestinian terrorists are polluting the United States with genetically modified bagels that make people gay. The Office of Homeland Security has accordingly raised the alert level to fuchsia. Mike-Al - Usenet outtake Currently listening to: 'Tell Her Tonight' - Franz Ferdinand

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nO1kc.2916$[email hidden]... > I don't know what Zanardi is using but I highly doubt it's an on/off type > button. Im sure the paddles Zanardi uses have linear movement that > replicates a foot type gas/brake pedal. Zanardi brakes with a pretty much standard brake pedal using his artificial legs, and has a ring mounted around the steering column behind his steering wheel which he uses to accelerate (pulls the ring further up the column towards the wheel to accelerate more). Tim -- ---------------- As we speak, Palestinian terrorists are polluting the United States with genetically modified bagels that make people gay. The Office of Homeland Security has accordingly raised the alert level to fuchsia. Mike-Al - Usenet outtake Currently listening to: 'Tell Her Tonight' - Franz Ferdinand

Interesting. Thanks Tim. "Helicon_One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c6u5v2> > Zanardi brakes with a pretty much standard brake pedal using hisartificial > legs, and has a ring mounted around the steering column behind hissteering

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> wheel which he uses to accelerate (pulls the ring further up the column > towards the wheel to accelerate more). > > Tim > -- > ---------------- > As we speak, Palestinian terrorists are polluting the United States with > genetically modified bagels that make people gay. The Office of Homeland > Security has accordingly raised the alert level to fuchsia. > Mike-Al - Usenet outtake > > Currently listening to: 'Tell Her Tonight' - Franz Ferdinand > >

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:44:02 GMT, Mitch_A wrote: > Tks m8. Where ya been? We've missed ya the past few races. > Busy with other stuff than simracing, but I might make an effort and show up tonight if that's ok ;-) Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61