Re: French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG

On Apr 30, 4:37 pm, "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I want to learn more, where can I go? >Go to Hell. You're an alarmist getting your rocks off (if you have any) scaring people with piles of total bullshit.

"Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qM4Sj.232108$pM4.116624@pd7urf1no...

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> French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) > Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG > > French Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) > Old Dying Physicists want to go out with a BIG BANG > > What are we talking about? > > Many helpful Links and Video links at end of post. > > http://lhcconcerns.com/ > > In May of 2008 the largest, most expensive scientific experiment, The > Large > Hadron Collider will be completed. This mechanical behemoth located along > the French and Swiss border with a total estimated circumference of 17 > miles > will be the most powerful particle accelerator in existence. The principal > behind a particle accelerator is that by speeding up the smallest elements > of matter and then colliding them together that they can be broken down > further into even smaller fundamental particles, just as Atoms were once > thought to be the smallest units, so then were Quarks(Up and Down), > Electrons, and Protons discovered. > > The Large Hadron Collide is hoped to discover what is referred to as the > "Higgs Boson". Although a theoretical scalar particle theorized by Peter > Higgs in 1974, it is actually a member of the standard model, and it is > believed that the Higgs Boson is what gives matter "mass". To achieve the > observation of the Higgs Boson, the LHC will be smashing these Hadrons > (specifically Protons) together at speeds almost unimaginable to the > average > person, at near c( .99999999 % the speed of light). > > To quantify the types of collisions, it must be pointed out that two beams > will be set to collide with each other, each beam of protons contains > roughly 2,800 Protons with an energy of 7 TeV (1 Teraelectron Volt = > 1.60217646 x 10-7 joules) so the combined energies will be 14 TeV. > Although > such energies in collisions are certainly occurring every day in space, > this > will be the first time that energies such as these will be observed on > Earth, however what is alarming to us are the myriad of other > possibilities > that could arise. > > Why haven't I heard about this before? > > Honestly, this is a good question, I seem to come accross this response a > lot, it seems that in general most people have never heard of the LHC, or > even particle acclerators in general, I am aware that there has been a lot > more coverage of this in the UK then the America's (probably due to it's > geographical location), but also I suppose the main reason why it is not > covered that often in the states is because of a general lack of interest, > or the belief that the general public is probably incapable of > understanding > something so complex. Still however there are several Documentaries and > other programs/magazines that have covered the LHC, so I'm not fully sure > why some people have not heard about this as from a financial perspective > it's the most expsenive (8.2 Billion Dollars) and most powerful scientific > Expirement of al time. > > Why We're Concerned > > To explain the concern thoroughly and accurately it has to be stated that > the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva is not the first particle accelerator > in > history. In 1929 the Cyclotron, invented and developed by Ernest O. > Lawrence, was the first particle accelerator, and from that initial > invention over several decades we have come into a new breed of Larger and > More Powerful Particle Accelerators. Although we have had particle > accelerators in the past, The luminosity at which these operate has > increased dramatically, in fact it is true that prior to the construction > of > the RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider) such theories as MBH > Production, > Strangelets, and several other theories were placed on the table as > relevant > possibilities. > > So, what's different this time? > > This is the point that has to be emphasized, this time things are quite > different, a study was conducted after initial concerns for the RHIC were > explored, and to their conclusion the amount of energy necessary for these > scenarios was not sufficient. The Large Hadron Collider operates at a > total > combined energy of 14TeV, which is a lot higher than the energies > generated > by the RHIC, as such the possibility of Black Hole creation is a reality, > in > fact on CERN's own web site they admit it could create Black Holes, here > is > an excerpt from Safety at the LHC > > "If the LHC can produce microscopic black holes, cosmic rays of much > higher energies would already have produced many more. Since the Earth is > still here, there is no reason to believe that collisions inside the LHC > are > harmful. Black holes lose matter through the emission of energy via a > process discovered by Stephen Hawking. Any black hole that cannot attract > matter, such as those that might be produced at the LHC, will shrink, > evaporate and disappear. The smaller the black hole, the faster it > vanishes. > If microscopic black holes were to be found at the LHC, they would exist > only for a fleeting moment. They would be so short-lived that the only way > they could be detected would be by detecting the products of their decay." > We'll cover the theoretical problem of this statement in the next section. > > So, what's the problem? > > In theory (according to Hawking Radiation) any Black Hole created would > evaporate in Femtoseconds, not having the chance to accrete any mass, and > being essentially harmless, although this is comforting in theory, It has > never been proven, and in fact has been questioned before. The problem is > that although most people in the physics community believe in Hawkings > Radiation, it has no basis in observation. In 2003 Adam D. Helfer > Published > a paper concerning Hawking's Radiation coming to the conclusion that > Hawking's Radiation may in fact be incorrect, and that a Black Hole would > not lose mass in such a way. (For the full text of this document go here > Paper By Adam D. Helfer on Hawking Radiation.) > > In fact since the LHC has been on the drawing board several studies and > theories which have gained a lot of support in the scientific community > such > as "String Theory" and "Extra-Large Hidden Dimensions" have surfaced, > which > do indeed place the threshold for Black Hole Creation much lower than > previously thought. > > The main problem lies in believing in theory as fact, every argument for > safety made concerning Black Holes and thier creation immediately > references > Hawking Radiation, however, if Hawking Radiation turns out to be incorrect > then the Black Hole would continue to accrete mass at an exponential rate. > > Now Hold on, No one would willingly create a machine that would create > Black > Holes on Purpose? > > Of course not, I highly doubt the thousands of scientists involved wish to > usher in Oblivion any quicker than politicians, however the danger lies in > Theory being accepted as Fact, Adam D. Helfer Published a paper recently > which outlines a very strong possibility that Hawkings Radiation may in > fact > not exist, which would actually fit in better with the Laws of > Thermodynamics, at which Our current explanation and understanding of the > nature of Black Holes has always been somewhat at Odds. > > Alright, so if a Black Hole created doesn't evaporate, what next? > > Here is another place that CERN's safety assessment is incapable of > addressing, although these extremely high energy collisions each Proton > beam > is in fact coming from opposite directions, Over 2 thousand Protons in > each > beam will pretty much collide roughly in the middle, although no collision > would create a particle exactly dead center, or "still", in a relative > sense > any MBH or fundamental particle created in such a manner (even with both > beams at a speed of .99999999 c) would be in a relative sense, at Rest, or > to elaborate the term at rest we mean lower than the necessary escape > velocity to escape the Earth's own gravitational pull. > > At that point two hypothetical scenarios exist. It would either maintain a > rather low orbit within our planet itself, slowly accreting mass at an > exponential rate, or it's possible it may "gravitate" to the direct center > of the planet in which case would accrete mass very quickly > > Wait a second, I've also heard of other dangers like "Strange Matter", > "Bubble Nucleation", and "Magnetic Monopoles", why the focus on Black > Holes? > > It is true that these scenarios are also possible, however the problem > with > representing them accurately is the true danger can never be quantified as > None of these have been observed, however that does not mean the risk is > zero. The very fact that this experiment is called an experiment is the > prove a hypothesis, if the results were truly known then this would not be > occurring in the first place. > > The Large Hadron Collider is going to be forcing Protons together in a > very > unnatural way, not only forcing them into groups of roughly 3,000 protons > for the collisions, but exposing them to temperatures colder than space as > well (1.9 K or -271 C). These types of collisions in a sense are unnatural > because collisions at those speeds and temperature would never happen, > meaning at the point of activation, no one will truly know these results > until they occur, in a matter of Femtoseconds we would be placing the > entire > world in potential Danger. I've seen many websites calculate > possiblity/problem or a percentage of risk, however without many of these > theories as proof, there is no accurate way to calcuate them, So although > the risk potential is unknown, the risk can never be calculated at zero. > > Although the credence given Strange Matter production, and it's subsequent > catalytic behavior by the scientific community is not always mutual. > Certain > types of Strange Matter could be formed that would catalytically convert > all > matter that it touches into strange matter as well, although this is not > as > likely as creating a Black Hole, it's worth mentioning because it is a > possibility. > > I want to learn more, where can I go? > > The internet is a good place, it brought you here, didn't it? Of course > you > could always visit the links on the site, and take part in our discussion > on > the forum, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with all the issues, > and > a basic understanding of Black Holes won't hurt either, of course I can > always recommend reading A Brief History of Time or the Universe in a > Nutshell there is always Google, for as many people as there are > concerned, > there are people who believe the danger is zero, it's important for you, > to > properly evaluate the facts and come to your own conclusion, of course we > would like your support, however, the goal of this web site is > information, > discussion, action, and rationale, we are real people after all, and so > are > you. > > Thinking outside the box can't hurt either, I encourage you to Talk to a > Professor at a local college, write a Letter to CERN, do whatever you need > to do to inform yourself and make an informed decision, any contribution > you > make, even discussing with one other single person in the world, has the > possibility to make all the difference. >

But what does it all mean, Basil? AC

It's actually been misreported. They've simply built a European NASCAR oval and placed it underground so that weather won't be an issue (because NASCAR scheduling only includes one European stop .... so weather poses a real issue wrt costing the event). Grandstand seats will be plentiful .... but a bitch to get to. I've also heard rumours that ventilation could be an issue. "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qM4Sj.232108$pM4.116624@pd7urf1no...

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> French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) > Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG > > French Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) > Old Dying Physicists want to go out with a BIG BANG > > What are we talking about? > > Many helpful Links and Video links at end of post. > > http://lhcconcerns.com/ > > In May of 2008 the largest, most expensive scientific experiment, The > Large > Hadron Collider will be completed. This mechanical behemoth located along > the French and Swiss border with a total estimated circumference of 17 > miles > will be the most powerful particle accelerator in existence. The principal > behind a particle accelerator is that by speeding up the smallest elements > of matter and then colliding them together that they can be broken down > further into even smaller fundamental particles, just as Atoms were once > thought to be the smallest units, so then were Quarks(Up and Down), > Electrons, and Protons discovered. > > The Large Hadron Collide is hoped to discover what is referred to as the > "Higgs Boson". Although a theoretical scalar particle theorized by Peter > Higgs in 1974, it is actually a member of the standard model, and it is > believed that the Higgs Boson is what gives matter "mass". To achieve the > observation of the Higgs Boson, the LHC will be smashing these Hadrons > (specifically Protons) together at speeds almost unimaginable to the > average > person, at near c( .99999999 % the speed of light). > > To quantify the types of collisions, it must be pointed out that two beams > will be set to collide with each other, each beam of protons contains > roughly 2,800 Protons with an energy of 7 TeV (1 Teraelectron Volt = > 1.60217646 x 10-7 joules) so the combined energies will be 14 TeV. > Although > such energies in collisions are certainly occurring every day in space, > this > will be the first time that energies such as these will be observed on > Earth, however what is alarming to us are the myriad of other > possibilities > that could arise. > > Why haven't I heard about this before? > > Honestly, this is a good question, I seem to come accross this response a > lot, it seems that in general most people have never heard of the LHC, or > even particle acclerators in general, I am aware that there has been a lot > more coverage of this in the UK then the America's (probably due to it's > geographical location), but also I suppose the main reason why it is not > covered that often in the states is because of a general lack of interest, > or the belief that the general public is probably incapable of > understanding > something so complex. Still however there are several Documentaries and > other programs/magazines that have covered the LHC, so I'm not fully sure > why some people have not heard about this as from a financial perspective > it's the most expsenive (8.2 Billion Dollars) and most powerful scientific > Expirement of al time. > > Why We're Concerned > > To explain the concern thoroughly and accurately it has to be stated that > the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva is not the first particle accelerator > in > history. In 1929 the Cyclotron, invented and developed by Ernest O. > Lawrence, was the first particle accelerator, and from that initial > invention over several decades we have come into a new breed of Larger and > More Powerful Particle Accelerators. Although we have had particle > accelerators in the past, The luminosity at which these operate has > increased dramatically, in fact it is true that prior to the construction > of > the RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider) such theories as MBH > Production, > Strangelets, and several other theories were placed on the table as > relevant > possibilities. > > So, what's different this time? > > This is the point that has to be emphasized, this time things are quite > different, a study was conducted after initial concerns for the RHIC were > explored, and to their conclusion the amount of energy necessary for these > scenarios was not sufficient. The Large Hadron Collider operates at a > total > combined energy of 14TeV, which is a lot higher than the energies > generated > by the RHIC, as such the possibility of Black Hole creation is a reality, > in > fact on CERN's own web site they admit it could create Black Holes, here > is > an excerpt from Safety at the LHC > > "If the LHC can produce microscopic black holes, cosmic rays of much > higher energies would already have produced many more. Since the Earth is > still here, there is no reason to believe that collisions inside the LHC > are > harmful. Black holes lose matter through the emission of energy via a > process discovered by Stephen Hawking. Any black hole that cannot attract > matter, such as those that might be produced at the LHC, will shrink, > evaporate and disappear. The smaller the black hole, the faster it > vanishes. > If microscopic black holes were to be found at the LHC, they would exist > only for a fleeting moment. They would be so short-lived that the only way > they could be detected would be by detecting the products of their decay." > We'll cover the theoretical problem of this statement in the next section. > > So, what's the problem? > > In theory (according to Hawking Radiation) any Black Hole created would > evaporate in Femtoseconds, not having the chance to accrete any mass, and > being essentially harmless, although this is comforting in theory, It has > never been proven, and in fact has been questioned before. The problem is > that although most people in the physics community believe in Hawkings > Radiation, it has no basis in observation. In 2003 Adam D. Helfer > Published > a paper concerning Hawking's Radiation coming to the conclusion that > Hawking's Radiation may in fact be incorrect, and that a Black Hole would > not lose mass in such a way. (For the full text of this document go here > Paper By Adam D. Helfer on Hawking Radiation.) > > In fact since the LHC has been on the drawing board several studies and > theories which have gained a lot of support in the scientific community > such > as "String Theory" and "Extra-Large Hidden Dimensions" have surfaced, > which > do indeed place the threshold for Black Hole Creation much lower than > previously thought. > > The main problem lies in believing in theory as fact, every argument for > safety made concerning Black Holes and thier creation immediately > references > Hawking Radiation, however, if Hawking Radiation turns out to be incorrect > then the Black Hole would continue to accrete mass at an exponential rate. > > Now Hold on, No one would willingly create a machine that would create > Black > Holes on Purpose? > > Of course not, I highly doubt the thousands of scientists involved wish to > usher in Oblivion any quicker than politicians, however the danger lies in > Theory being accepted as Fact, Adam D. Helfer Published a paper recently > which outlines a very strong possibility that Hawkings Radiation may in > fact > not exist, which would actually fit in better with the Laws of > Thermodynamics, at which Our current explanation and understanding of the > nature of Black Holes has always been somewhat at Odds. > > Alright, so if a Black Hole created doesn't evaporate, what next? > > Here is another place that CERN's safety assessment is incapable of > addressing, although these extremely high energy collisions each Proton > beam > is in fact coming from opposite directions, Over 2 thousand Protons in > each > beam will pretty much collide roughly in the middle, although no collision > would create a particle exactly dead center, or "still", in a relative > sense > any MBH or fundamental particle created in such a manner (even with both > beams at a speed of .99999999 c) would be in a relative sense, at Rest, or > to elaborate the term at rest we mean lower than the necessary escape > velocity to escape the Earth's own gravitational pull. > > At that point two hypothetical scenarios exist. It would either maintain a > rather low orbit within our planet itself, slowly accreting mass at an > exponential rate, or it's possible it may "gravitate" to the direct center > of the planet in which case would accrete mass very quickly > > Wait a second, I've also heard of other dangers like "Strange Matter", > "Bubble Nucleation", and "Magnetic Monopoles", why the focus on Black > Holes? > > It is true that these scenarios are also possible, however the problem > with > representing them accurately is the true danger can never be quantified as > None of these have been observed, however that does not mean the risk is > zero. The very fact that this experiment is called an experiment is the > prove a hypothesis, if the results were truly known then this would not be > occurring in the first place. > > The Large Hadron Collider is going to be forcing Protons together in a > very > unnatural way, not only forcing them into groups of roughly 3,000 protons > for the collisions, but exposing them to temperatures colder than space as > well (1.9 K or -271 C). These types of collisions in a sense are unnatural > because collisions at those speeds and temperature would never happen, > meaning at the point of activation, no one will truly know these results > until they occur, in a matter of Femtoseconds we would be placing the > entire > world in potential Danger. I've seen many websites calculate > possiblity/problem or a percentage of risk, however without many of these > theories as proof, there is no accurate way to calcuate them, So although > the risk potential is unknown, the risk can never be calculated at zero. > > Although the credence given Strange Matter production, and it's subsequent > catalytic behavior by the scientific community is not always mutual. > Certain > types of Strange Matter could be formed that would catalytically convert > all > matter that it touches into strange matter as well, although this is not > as > likely as creating a Black Hole, it's worth mentioning because it is a > possibility. > > I want to learn more, where can I go? > > The internet is a good place, it brought you here, didn't it? Of course > you > could always visit the links on the site, and take part in our discussion > on > the forum, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with all the issues, > and > a basic understanding of Black Holes won't hurt either, of course I can > always recommend reading A Brief History of Time or the Universe in a > Nutshell there is always Google, for as many people as there are > concerned, > there are people who believe the danger is zero, it's important for you, > to > properly evaluate the facts and come to your own conclusion, of course we > would like your support, however, the goal of this web site is > information, > discussion, action, and rationale, we are real people after all, and so > are > you. > > Thinking outside the box can't hurt either, I encourage you to Talk to a > Professor at a local college, write a Letter to CERN, do whatever you need > to do to inform yourself and make an informed decision, any contribution > you > make, even discussing with one other single person in the world, has the > possibility to make all the difference. > > Links.. > > Large Hadron Collider > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider > > CERN > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN > > LHC Concerns > > http://lhcconcerns.com/ > > National Geograhic - The God Particle > > http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text > > BBC News - Lab Fireball May Have Been Black Hole > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4357613.stm > > An Open Letter To Stephen Hawking > > http://lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72 > > Black Holes On Demand (George Street Journal) > > http://www.brown.edu/Administration/George_Street_Journal/vol26/26GSJ10a.html > > CBC News - LHC > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/science/lhc.html > > New York Times - LHC Dangerous? > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/science/15cern.html?ex=1336881600&en=7c25f6782d7029e7&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss > > LHC Legal Defense Fund > > http://www.lhcdefense.org/ > > MySpace STOP CERN Website > > http://www.myspace.com/stopcern > > LHC Risk Evaluation Forum > > http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/ > > YouTube music Video Of The Atom Smasher (LHC) Black Hole Generator > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOFSrS03wjE#GU5U2spHI_4 > > French Build Doomsday Machine > > http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com/France_Builds_Doomsday_Machine.htm > > U-Tube Videos > > Documentery > > Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [1 of 3] > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fJ6PMfnz2E&feature=related > > Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [2 of 3] > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNPpeVvZ9w&feature=related > > Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [3 of 3] > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XbKZwXK-3c&feature=related > > The Large Hadron Collider: The End Of The Universe? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYdObyJ2A&feature=related > > >

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> On Apr 30, 4:37 pm, "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > I want to learn more, where can I go? > > > Go to Hell. You're an alarmist getting your rocks off (if you have > any) scaring people with piles of total bullshit. >

Who's scared? -- Halmyre That's you that is.

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> "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qM4Sj.232108$pM4.116624@pd7urf1no... > >>French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) >>Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG > > But what does it all mean, Basil? > > AC > >

Move along now. This was covered in the FIA inquiry into the 487 stolen pages of A4.

Which sim (66 mod??) u talking about? "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:qM4Sj.232108$pM4.116624@pd7urf1no...

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> French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) > Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG > > French Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) > Old Dying Physicists want to go out with a BIG BANG > > What are we talking about? > > Many helpful Links and Video links at end of post. > > http://lhcconcerns.com/ > > In May of 2008 the largest, most expensive scientific experiment, The > Large > Hadron Collider will be completed. This mechanical behemoth located along > the French and Swiss border with a total estimated circumference of 17 > miles > will be the most powerful particle accelerator in existence. The principal > behind a particle accelerator is that by speeding up the smallest elements > of matter and then colliding them together that they can be broken down > further into even smaller fundamental particles, just as Atoms were once > thought to be the smallest units, so then were Quarks(Up and Down), > Electrons, and Protons discovered. > > The Large Hadron Collide is hoped to discover what is referred to as the > "Higgs Boson". Although a theoretical scalar particle theorized by Peter > Higgs in 1974, it is actually a member of the standard model, and it is > believed that the Higgs Boson is what gives matter "mass". To achieve the > observation of the Higgs Boson, the LHC will be smashing these Hadrons > (specifically Protons) together at speeds almost unimaginable to the > average > person, at near c( .99999999 % the speed of light). > > To quantify the types of collisions, it must be pointed out that two beams > will be set to collide with each other, each beam of protons contains > roughly 2,800 Protons with an energy of 7 TeV (1 Teraelectron Volt = > 1.60217646 x 10-7 joules) so the combined energies will be 14 TeV. > Although > such energies in collisions are certainly occurring every day in space, > this > will be the first time that energies such as these will be observed on > Earth, however what is alarming to us are the myriad of other > possibilities > that could arise. > > Why haven't I heard about this before? > > Honestly, this is a good question, I seem to come accross this response a > lot, it seems that in general most people have never heard of the LHC, or > even particle acclerators in general, I am aware that there has been a lot > more coverage of this in the UK then the America's (probably due to it's > geographical location), but also I suppose the main reason why it is not > covered that often in the states is because of a general lack of interest, > or the belief that the general public is probably incapable of > understanding > something so complex. Still however there are several Documentaries and > other programs/magazines that have covered the LHC, so I'm not fully sure > why some people have not heard about this as from a financial perspective > it's the most expsenive (8.2 Billion Dollars) and most powerful scientific > Expirement of al time. > > Why We're Concerned > > To explain the concern thoroughly and accurately it has to be stated that > the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva is not the first particle accelerator > in > history. In 1929 the Cyclotron, invented and developed by Ernest O. > Lawrence, was the first particle accelerator, and from that initial > invention over several decades we have come into a new breed of Larger and > More Powerful Particle Accelerators. Although we have had particle > accelerators in the past, The luminosity at which these operate has > increased dramatically, in fact it is true that prior to the construction > of > the RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider) such theories as MBH > Production, > Strangelets, and several other theories were placed on the table as > relevant > possibilities. > > So, what's different this time? > > This is the point that has to be emphasized, this time things are quite > different, a study was conducted after initial concerns for the RHIC were > explored, and to their conclusion the amount of energy necessary for these > scenarios was not sufficient. The Large Hadron Collider operates at a > total > combined energy of 14TeV, which is a lot higher than the energies > generated > by the RHIC, as such the possibility of Black Hole creation is a reality, > in > fact on CERN's own web site they admit it could create Black Holes, here > is > an excerpt from Safety at the LHC > > "If the LHC can produce microscopic black holes, cosmic rays of much > higher energies would already have produced many more. Since the Earth is > still here, there is no reason to believe that collisions inside the LHC > are > harmful. Black holes lose matter through the emission of energy via a > process discovered by Stephen Hawking. Any black hole that cannot attract > matter, such as those that might be produced at the LHC, will shrink, > evaporate and disappear. The smaller the black hole, the faster it > vanishes. > If microscopic black holes were to be found at the LHC, they would exist > only for a fleeting moment. They would be so short-lived that the only way > they could be detected would be by detecting the products of their decay." > We'll cover the theoretical problem of this statement in the next section. > > So, what's the problem? > > In theory (according to Hawking Radiation) any Black Hole created would > evaporate in Femtoseconds, not having the chance to accrete any mass, and > being essentially harmless, although this is comforting in theory, It has > never been proven, and in fact has been questioned before. The problem is > that although most people in the physics community believe in Hawkings > Radiation, it has no basis in observation. In 2003 Adam D. Helfer > Published > a paper concerning Hawking's Radiation coming to the conclusion that > Hawking's Radiation may in fact be incorrect, and that a Black Hole would > not lose mass in such a way. (For the full text of this document go here > Paper By Adam D. Helfer on Hawking Radiation.) > > In fact since the LHC has been on the drawing board several studies and > theories which have gained a lot of support in the scientific community > such > as "String Theory" and "Extra-Large Hidden Dimensions" have surfaced, > which > do indeed place the threshold for Black Hole Creation much lower than > previously thought. > > The main problem lies in believing in theory as fact, every argument for > safety made concerning Black Holes and thier creation immediately > references > Hawking Radiation, however, if Hawking Radiation turns out to be incorrect > then the Black Hole would continue to accrete mass at an exponential rate. > > Now Hold on, No one would willingly create a machine that would create > Black > Holes on Purpose? > > Of course not, I highly doubt the thousands of scientists involved wish to > usher in Oblivion any quicker than politicians, however the danger lies in > Theory being accepted as Fact, Adam D. Helfer Published a paper recently > which outlines a very strong possibility that Hawkings Radiation may in > fact > not exist, which would actually fit in better with the Laws of > Thermodynamics, at which Our current explanation and understanding of the > nature of Black Holes has always been somewhat at Odds. > > Alright, so if a Black Hole created doesn't evaporate, what next? > > Here is another place that CERN's safety assessment is incapable of > addressing, although these extremely high energy collisions each Proton > beam > is in fact coming from opposite directions, Over 2 thousand Protons in > each > beam will pretty much collide roughly in the middle, although no collision > would create a particle exactly dead center, or "still", in a relative > sense > any MBH or fundamental particle created in such a manner (even with both > beams at a speed of .99999999 c) would be in a relative sense, at Rest, or > to elaborate the term at rest we mean lower than the necessary escape > velocity to escape the Earth's own gravitational pull. > > At that point two hypothetical scenarios exist. It would either maintain a > rather low orbit within our planet itself, slowly accreting mass at an > exponential rate, or it's possible it may "gravitate" to the direct center > of the planet in which case would accrete mass very quickly > > Wait a second, I've also heard of other dangers like "Strange Matter", > "Bubble Nucleation", and "Magnetic Monopoles", why the focus on Black > Holes? > > It is true that these scenarios are also possible, however the problem > with > representing them accurately is the true danger can never be quantified as > None of these have been observed, however that does not mean the risk is > zero. The very fact that this experiment is called an experiment is the > prove a hypothesis, if the results were truly known then this would not be > occurring in the first place. > > The Large Hadron Collider is going to be forcing Protons together in a > very > unnatural way, not only forcing them into groups of roughly 3,000 protons > for the collisions, but exposing them to temperatures colder than space as > well (1.9 K or -271 C). These types of collisions in a sense are unnatural > because collisions at those speeds and temperature would never happen, > meaning at the point of activation, no one will truly know these results > until they occur, in a matter of Femtoseconds we would be placing the > entire > world in potential Danger. I've seen many websites calculate > possiblity/problem or a percentage of risk, however without many of these > theories as proof, there is no accurate way to calcuate them, So although > the risk potential is unknown, the risk can never be calculated at zero. > > Although the credence given Strange Matter production, and it's subsequent > catalytic behavior by the scientific community is not always mutual. > Certain > types of Strange Matter could be formed that would catalytically convert > all > matter that it touches into strange matter as well, although this is not > as > likely as creating a Black Hole, it's worth mentioning because it is a > possibility. > > I want to learn more, where can I go? > > The internet is a good place, it brought you here, didn't it? Of course > you > could always visit the links on the site, and take part in our discussion > on > the forum, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with all the issues, > and > a basic understanding of Black Holes won't hurt either, of course I can > always recommend reading A Brief History of Time or the Universe in a > Nutshell there is always Google, for as many people as there are > concerned, > there are people who believe the danger is zero, it's important for you, > to > properly evaluate the facts and come to your own conclusion, of course we > would like your support, however, the goal of this web site is > information, > discussion, action, and rationale, we are real people after all, and so > are > you. > > Thinking outside the box can't hurt either, I encourage you to Talk to a > Professor at a local college, write a Letter to CERN, do whatever you need > to do to inform yourself and make an informed decision, any contribution > you > make, even discussing with one other single person in the world, has the > possibility to make all the difference. > > Links.. > > Large Hadron Collider > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider > > CERN > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN > > LHC Concerns > > http://lhcconcerns.com/ > > National Geograhic - The God Particle > > http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text > > BBC News - Lab Fireball May Have Been Black Hole > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4357613.stm > > An Open Letter To Stephen Hawking > > http://lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72 > > Black Holes On Demand (George Street Journal) > > http://www.brown.edu/Administration/George_Street_Journal/vol26/26GSJ10a.html > > CBC News - LHC > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/science/lhc.html > > New York Times - LHC Dangerous? > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/science/15cern.html?ex=1336881600&en=7c25f6782d7029e7&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss > > LHC Legal Defense Fund > > http://www.lhcdefense.org/ > > MySpace STOP CERN Website > > http://www.myspace.com/stopcern > > LHC Risk Evaluation Forum > > http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/ > > YouTube music Video Of The Atom Smasher (LHC) Black Hole Generator > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOFSrS03wjE#GU5U2spHI_4 > > French Build Doomsday Machine > > http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com/France_Builds_Doomsday_Machine.htm > > U-Tube Videos > > Documentery > > Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [1 of 3] > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fJ6PMfnz2E&feature=related > > Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [2 of 3] > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNPpeVvZ9w&feature=related > > Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [3 of 3] > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XbKZwXK-3c&feature=related > > The Large Hadron Collider: The End Of The Universe? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYdObyJ2A&feature=related > > >

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> On Apr 30, 4:37 pm, "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > >> > I want to learn more, where can I go? >> > >> Go to Hell. You're an alarmist getting your rocks off (if you have >> any) scaring people with piles of total bullshit. > >Who's scared?

No kidding, I had a full body laugh going. -- "Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"

Awe come on - that was good stuff! The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which they are calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head on collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of light. If the gravity produced was strong enough and enough of these micro black holes occured close enough to each other then they could become a black hole proper. So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on itself in an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a thing! :) "Bob Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Apr 30, 4:37 pm, "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >> I want to learn more, where can I go? >> > Go to Hell. You're an alarmist getting your rocks off (if you have > any) scaring people with piles of total bullshit.

Yeah, if there has never been a micro black hole generated by some of those NASCAR collisions then nothing could ever generate one! "Rod's work news" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fvaopv$eto$[email hidden]...

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> It's actually been misreported. They've simply built a European NASCAR > oval and placed it underground so that weather won't be an issue (because > NASCAR scheduling only includes one European stop .... so weather poses a > real issue wrt costing the event). Grandstand seats will be plentiful .... > but a bitch to get to. I've also heard rumours that ventilation could be > an issue. > > > "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qM4Sj.232108$pM4.116624@pd7urf1no... >> French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) >> Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG >> >> French Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) >> Old Dying Physicists want to go out with a BIG BANG >> >> What are we talking about? >> >> Many helpful Links and Video links at end of post. >> >> http://lhcconcerns.com/ >> >> In May of 2008 the largest, most expensive scientific experiment, The >> Large >> Hadron Collider will be completed. This mechanical behemoth located along >> the French and Swiss border with a total estimated circumference of 17 >> miles >> will be the most powerful particle accelerator in existence. The >> principal >> behind a particle accelerator is that by speeding up the smallest >> elements >> of matter and then colliding them together that they can be broken down >> further into even smaller fundamental particles, just as Atoms were once >> thought to be the smallest units, so then were Quarks(Up and Down), >> Electrons, and Protons discovered. >> >> The Large Hadron Collide is hoped to discover what is referred to as the >> "Higgs Boson". Although a theoretical scalar particle theorized by Peter >> Higgs in 1974, it is actually a member of the standard model, and it is >> believed that the Higgs Boson is what gives matter "mass". To achieve the >> observation of the Higgs Boson, the LHC will be smashing these Hadrons >> (specifically Protons) together at speeds almost unimaginable to the >> average >> person, at near c( .99999999 % the speed of light). >> >> To quantify the types of collisions, it must be pointed out that two >> beams >> will be set to collide with each other, each beam of protons contains >> roughly 2,800 Protons with an energy of 7 TeV (1 Teraelectron Volt = >> 1.60217646 x 10-7 joules) so the combined energies will be 14 TeV. >> Although >> such energies in collisions are certainly occurring every day in space, >> this >> will be the first time that energies such as these will be observed on >> Earth, however what is alarming to us are the myriad of other >> possibilities >> that could arise. >> >> Why haven't I heard about this before? >> >> Honestly, this is a good question, I seem to come accross this response a >> lot, it seems that in general most people have never heard of the LHC, or >> even particle acclerators in general, I am aware that there has been a >> lot >> more coverage of this in the UK then the America's (probably due to it's >> geographical location), but also I suppose the main reason why it is not >> covered that often in the states is because of a general lack of >> interest, >> or the belief that the general public is probably incapable of >> understanding >> something so complex. Still however there are several Documentaries and >> other programs/magazines that have covered the LHC, so I'm not fully sure >> why some people have not heard about this as from a financial perspective >> it's the most expsenive (8.2 Billion Dollars) and most powerful >> scientific >> Expirement of al time. >> >> Why We're Concerned >> >> To explain the concern thoroughly and accurately it has to be stated that >> the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva is not the first particle accelerator >> in >> history. In 1929 the Cyclotron, invented and developed by Ernest O. >> Lawrence, was the first particle accelerator, and from that initial >> invention over several decades we have come into a new breed of Larger >> and >> More Powerful Particle Accelerators. Although we have had particle >> accelerators in the past, The luminosity at which these operate has >> increased dramatically, in fact it is true that prior to the construction >> of >> the RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider) such theories as MBH >> Production, >> Strangelets, and several other theories were placed on the table as >> relevant >> possibilities. >> >> So, what's different this time? >> >> This is the point that has to be emphasized, this time things are quite >> different, a study was conducted after initial concerns for the RHIC were >> explored, and to their conclusion the amount of energy necessary for >> these >> scenarios was not sufficient. The Large Hadron Collider operates at a >> total >> combined energy of 14TeV, which is a lot higher than the energies >> generated >> by the RHIC, as such the possibility of Black Hole creation is a reality, >> in >> fact on CERN's own web site they admit it could create Black Holes, here >> is >> an excerpt from Safety at the LHC >> >> "If the LHC can produce microscopic black holes, cosmic rays of much >> higher energies would already have produced many more. Since the Earth is >> still here, there is no reason to believe that collisions inside the LHC >> are >> harmful. Black holes lose matter through the emission of energy via a >> process discovered by Stephen Hawking. Any black hole that cannot attract >> matter, such as those that might be produced at the LHC, will shrink, >> evaporate and disappear. The smaller the black hole, the faster it >> vanishes. >> If microscopic black holes were to be found at the LHC, they would exist >> only for a fleeting moment. They would be so short-lived that the only >> way >> they could be detected would be by detecting the products of their >> decay." >> We'll cover the theoretical problem of this statement in the next >> section. >> >> So, what's the problem? >> >> In theory (according to Hawking Radiation) any Black Hole created would >> evaporate in Femtoseconds, not having the chance to accrete any mass, and >> being essentially harmless, although this is comforting in theory, It has >> never been proven, and in fact has been questioned before. The problem is >> that although most people in the physics community believe in Hawkings >> Radiation, it has no basis in observation. In 2003 Adam D. Helfer >> Published >> a paper concerning Hawking's Radiation coming to the conclusion that >> Hawking's Radiation may in fact be incorrect, and that a Black Hole would >> not lose mass in such a way. (For the full text of this document go here >> Paper By Adam D. Helfer on Hawking Radiation.) >> >> In fact since the LHC has been on the drawing board several studies and >> theories which have gained a lot of support in the scientific community >> such >> as "String Theory" and "Extra-Large Hidden Dimensions" have surfaced, >> which >> do indeed place the threshold for Black Hole Creation much lower than >> previously thought. >> >> The main problem lies in believing in theory as fact, every argument for >> safety made concerning Black Holes and thier creation immediately >> references >> Hawking Radiation, however, if Hawking Radiation turns out to be >> incorrect >> then the Black Hole would continue to accrete mass at an exponential >> rate. >> >> Now Hold on, No one would willingly create a machine that would create >> Black >> Holes on Purpose? >> >> Of course not, I highly doubt the thousands of scientists involved wish >> to >> usher in Oblivion any quicker than politicians, however the danger lies >> in >> Theory being accepted as Fact, Adam D. Helfer Published a paper recently >> which outlines a very strong possibility that Hawkings Radiation may in >> fact >> not exist, which would actually fit in better with the Laws of >> Thermodynamics, at which Our current explanation and understanding of the >> nature of Black Holes has always been somewhat at Odds. >> >> Alright, so if a Black Hole created doesn't evaporate, what next? >> >> Here is another place that CERN's safety assessment is incapable of >> addressing, although these extremely high energy collisions each Proton >> beam >> is in fact coming from opposite directions, Over 2 thousand Protons in >> each >> beam will pretty much collide roughly in the middle, although no >> collision >> would create a particle exactly dead center, or "still", in a relative >> sense >> any MBH or fundamental particle created in such a manner (even with both >> beams at a speed of .99999999 c) would be in a relative sense, at Rest, >> or >> to elaborate the term at rest we mean lower than the necessary escape >> velocity to escape the Earth's own gravitational pull. >> >> At that point two hypothetical scenarios exist. It would either maintain >> a >> rather low orbit within our planet itself, slowly accreting mass at an >> exponential rate, or it's possible it may "gravitate" to the direct >> center >> of the planet in which case would accrete mass very quickly >> >> Wait a second, I've also heard of other dangers like "Strange Matter", >> "Bubble Nucleation", and "Magnetic Monopoles", why the focus on Black >> Holes? >> >> It is true that these scenarios are also possible, however the problem >> with >> representing them accurately is the true danger can never be quantified >> as >> None of these have been observed, however that does not mean the risk is >> zero. The very fact that this experiment is called an experiment is the >> prove a hypothesis, if the results were truly known then this would not >> be >> occurring in the first place. >> >> The Large Hadron Collider is going to be forcing Protons together in a >> very >> unnatural way, not only forcing them into groups of roughly 3,000 protons >> for the collisions, but exposing them to temperatures colder than space >> as >> well (1.9 K or -271 C). These types of collisions in a sense are >> unnatural >> because collisions at those speeds and temperature would never happen, >> meaning at the point of activation, no one will truly know these results >> until they occur, in a matter of Femtoseconds we would be placing the >> entire >> world in potential Danger. I've seen many websites calculate >> possiblity/problem or a percentage of risk, however without many of these >> theories as proof, there is no accurate way to calcuate them, So although >> the risk potential is unknown, the risk can never be calculated at zero. >> >> Although the credence given Strange Matter production, and it's >> subsequent >> catalytic behavior by the scientific community is not always mutual. >> Certain >> types of Strange Matter could be formed that would catalytically convert >> all >> matter that it touches into strange matter as well, although this is not >> as >> likely as creating a Black Hole, it's worth mentioning because it is a >> possibility. >> >> I want to learn more, where can I go? >> >> The internet is a good place, it brought you here, didn't it? Of course >> you >> could always visit the links on the site, and take part in our discussion >> on >> the forum, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with all the issues, >> and >> a basic understanding of Black Holes won't hurt either, of course I can >> always recommend reading A Brief History of Time or the Universe in a >> Nutshell there is always Google, for as many people as there are >> concerned, >> there are people who believe the danger is zero, it's important for you, >> to >> properly evaluate the facts and come to your own conclusion, of course we >> would like your support, however, the goal of this web site is >> information, >> discussion, action, and rationale, we are real people after all, and so >> are >> you. >> >> Thinking outside the box can't hurt either, I encourage you to Talk to a >> Professor at a local college, write a Letter to CERN, do whatever you >> need >> to do to inform yourself and make an informed decision, any contribution >> you >> make, even discussing with one other single person in the world, has the >> possibility to make all the difference. >> >> Links.. >> >> Large Hadron Collider >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider >> >> CERN >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN >> >> LHC Concerns >> >> http://lhcconcerns.com/ >> >> National Geograhic - The God Particle >> >> http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text >> >> BBC News - Lab Fireball May Have Been Black Hole >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4357613.stm >> >> An Open Letter To Stephen Hawking >> >> http://lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72 >> >> Black Holes On Demand (George Street Journal) >> >> http://www.brown.edu/Administration/George_Street_Journal/vol26/26GSJ10a.html >> >> CBC News - LHC >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/science/lhc.html >> >> New York Times - LHC Dangerous? >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/science/15cern.html?ex=1336881600&en=7c25f6782d7029e7&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss >> >> LHC Legal Defense Fund >> >> http://www.lhcdefense.org/ >> >> MySpace STOP CERN Website >> >> http://www.myspace.com/stopcern >> >> LHC Risk Evaluation Forum >> >> http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/ >> >> YouTube music Video Of The Atom Smasher (LHC) Black Hole Generator >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOFSrS03wjE#GU5U2spHI_4 >> >> French Build Doomsday Machine >> >> http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com/France_Builds_Doomsday_Machine.htm >> >> U-Tube Videos >> >> Documentery >> >> Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [1 of 3] >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fJ6PMfnz2E&feature=related >> >> Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [2 of 3] >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNPpeVvZ9w&feature=related >> >> Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [3 of 3] >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XbKZwXK-3c&feature=related >> >> The Large Hadron Collider: The End Of The Universe? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYdObyJ2A&feature=related >> >> >> > >

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> Awe come on - that was good stuff! > > The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which they are >calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head on >collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of light. If the gravity >produced was strong enough and enough of these micro black holes occured >close enough to each other then they could become a black hole proper. > > So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on itself in >an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a thing! :) >

Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to keep clean. ;-) -- Regards, Frank

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> Awe come on - that was good stuff! > > The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which they are > calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head on > collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of light. If the > gravity produced was strong enough and enough of these micro black holes > occured close enough to each other then they could become a black hole > proper. > > So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on itself in > an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a thing! :) >

So the chances of them finding what they are looking for are practially ZERO. But the chances of something bad happening are NOT but zero but darn close. Good investment..

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> On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> Awe come on - that was good stuff! >> >> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which they are >>calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head on >>collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of light. If the >>gravity >>produced was strong enough and enough of these micro black holes occured >>close enough to each other then they could become a black hole proper. >> >> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on itself in >>an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a thing! :) >> > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to keep > clean. ;-)

Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by compressing the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the Higgs Boson.

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> "Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>    Awe come on - that was good stuff! > > >>    The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which they are > >>calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head on > >>collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of light. If the > >>gravity > >>produced was strong enough and enough of these micro black holes occured > >>close enough to each other then they could become a black hole proper. > > >>    So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on itself in > >>an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a thing! :) > > > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to keep > > clean. ;-) > > Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by compressing > the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the Higgs Boson.- Nascondi testo tra virgolette - > > - Mostra testo tra virgolette -

I'll beleave that the CERN large hardon collider poses relevant risks on humanity when I see it go all wrong with my eyes... so eitherway, never :P

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> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:42:10 GMT, Halmyre <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > In article > > <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > >> On Apr 30, 4:37 pm, "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> > wrote: >> > > >> > I want to learn more, where can I go? > >> > > >> Go to Hell. You're an alarmist getting your rocks off (if you have > >> any) scaring people with piles of total bullshit. > > > > Who's scared? > > No kidding, I had a full body laugh going.

Now *that* would scare me if I was within 50 miles. -- Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is entirely free! No sh*t! http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3

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>On 1 Mag, 07:06, "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote: >> "Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> news:[email hidden]... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" >> > <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >> � �Awe come on - that was good stuff! >> >> >> � �The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which they are >> >>calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head on >> >>collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of light. If the >> >>gravity >> >>produced was strong enough and enough of these micro black holes occured >> >>close enough to each other then they could become a black hole proper. >> >> >> � �So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on itself in >> >>an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a thing! :) >> >> > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to keep >> > clean. ;-) >> >> Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by compressing >> the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the Higgs Boson.- Nascondi testo tra virgolette - >> >> - Mostra testo tra virgolette - > >I'll beleave that the CERN large hardon collider poses relevant risks >on humanity when I see it go all wrong with my eyes... > >so eitherway, never :P >

That was the base of my master plan(rejected by the bloody do gooders) when the nukes were a worry to the world's health. I thought, instead of cutting back, why not extend the numbers ? Make many millions of ICBMs and just cover every acre of the major cities on Earth.. We in the city would never know there was even a war. And since when do we actually care about rural areas ? ;-) ps: why is this xposted to drugs.cannabis ? Is that a required substance for this advanced level discussion ? I mean to Rasf1, by all means.. Max's next idea may be a black hole indeed. :-) -- Regards, Frank

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> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:42:10 GMT, Halmyre <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > >[email hidden] says... > >> On Apr 30, 4:37 pm, "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> > I want to learn more, where can I go? > > >> Go to Hell.  You're an alarmist getting your rocks off (if you have > >> any) scaring people with piles of total bullshit. > > >Who's scared? > > No kidding, I had a full body laugh going.

Cheesus. A singularity named Mark in motion!!! No Particle accelerator required.

Byron Forbes wrote: > Yeah, if there has never been a micro black hole generated by some of > those NASCAR collisions then nothing could ever generate one! > There have been numerous black holes created by the collision of 2 or more Nascar vehicles, fortunately the only thing ever lost to one was the cans of beer the drivers were holding at the time.

[email hidden] (Rod's work news) wrote: > It's actually been misreported. They've simply built a European > NASCAR oval and placed it underground so that weather won't be an > issue Very good. :-) But I must admit I find the LHC more exciting than Nascar. Having said that, Nascar vehicles and their chubby drivers are so incredibly heavy we could probably save money by colliding them at low speed instead of atomic particles at very high speeds. We'd call it the Large Hillbilly Collider Andrew McP

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> > "Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>> Awe come on - that was good stuff! >>> >>> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which they >>> are >>>calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head on >>>collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of light. If the >>>gravity >>>produced was strong enough and enough of these micro black holes occured >>>close enough to each other then they could become a black hole proper. >>> >>> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on itself >>> in >>>an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a thing! :) >>> >> Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to keep >> clean. ;-) > > Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by > compressing the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the Higgs > Boson. >

Most planets dont have the Human virus. AC

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> On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:13:45 -0700 (PDT), emuLOAD > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>On 1 Mag, 07:06, "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote: >>> "Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> >>> news:[email hidden]... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" >>> > <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> >>> >> Awe come on - that was good stuff! >>> >>> >> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which they >>> >> are >>> >>calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head on >>> >>collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of light. If the >>> >>gravity >>> >>produced was strong enough and enough of these micro black holes >>> >>occured >>> >>close enough to each other then they could become a black hole proper. >>> >>> >> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on itself >>> >> in >>> >>an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a thing! :) >>> >>> > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to keep >>> > clean. ;-) >>> >>> Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by >>> compressing >>> the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the Higgs Boson.- >>> Nascondi testo tra virgolette - >>> >>> - Mostra testo tra virgolette - >> >>I'll beleave that the CERN large hardon collider poses relevant risks >>on humanity when I see it go all wrong with my eyes... >> >>so eitherway, never :P >> > That was the base of my master plan(rejected by the bloody do gooders) > when the nukes were a worry to the world's health. I thought, instead > of cutting back, why not extend the numbers ? Make many millions of > ICBMs and just cover every acre of the major cities on Earth.. > We in the city would never know there was even a war. And since when > do we actually care about rural areas ? ;-) > > ps: why is this xposted to drugs.cannabis ? Is that a required > substance for this advanced level discussion ?

Its certainly helping me. Is just so beautiful man. One huge yummy doughnut, mmmmmmmmm.yum, yum. AC

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> > "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote in message > news:E6qdnZwDH-II8YTVnZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@plusnet... > > > >"Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" > >><[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >>> Awe come on - that was good stuff! > > > > > >>> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which > they are > > > > calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head > > > > on collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of > > > > light. If the gravity produced was strong enough and enough of > > > > these micro black holes occured close enough to each other then > > > > they could become a black hole proper. > > > > > >>> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on > itself in > > > > an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a > > > > thing! :) > > > > > > > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to > > > keep clean. ;-) > > > > Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by > > compressing the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the > > Higgs Boson. > > > > Most planets dont have the Human virus. > > AC

How do you know? The outcome of an infinite Universe containing an infinite number of stars with planets then by definition there must be an infinite number of planets which have the human virus... ... my head hurts ;-) -- Paul-B

On 1 May 2008 09:41:02 GMT, "Paul-B" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>AC wrote: > >> >> "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote in message >> news:E6qdnZwDH-II8YTVnZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@plusnet... >> > >> >"Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" >> >><[email hidden]> wrote: >> > > >> >>> Awe come on - that was good stuff! >> > > > >> >>> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which >> they are >> > > > calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head >> > > > on collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of >> > > > light. If the gravity produced was strong enough and enough of >> > > > these micro black holes occured close enough to each other then >> > > > they could become a black hole proper. >> > > > >> >>> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on >> itself in >> > > > an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a >> > > > thing! :) >> > > > >> > > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to >> > > keep clean. ;-) >> > >> > Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by >> > compressing the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the >> > Higgs Boson. >> > >> >> Most planets dont have the Human virus. >> >> AC > >How do you know? > >The outcome of an infinite Universe containing an infinite number of >stars with planets then by definition there must be an infinite number >of planets which have the human virus... >

Unless we're just a simulation of course. The possibility of us, as a simulation, being just a subsimulation of one of an infinite number of simulations, themselves running as subs in their respective infinite numbers of parent simulations notwithstanding, it is still only a simulation, and thus not real and so nothing to for us to worry about.. >... my head hurts ;-) >Hope this helped. :) -- Regards, Frank

[email hidden] (Paul-B) wrote: > by definition there must be an infinite number > of planets which have the human virus... I think there will have been many similar species across the universe. However as life is inherently unlikely and unstable (ie ultimately self-destructive), I think the chances of any two planets anywhere containing life at the same time are close enough to zero to make no difference. The infinity thing is fascinating though. There are an infinite number of numbers. There are also an infinite number of just even numbers (or odd numbers). It therefore stands to reason that an infinite number of numbers ought to contain twice as many numbers as an infinite number of even numbers. There are also an infinite number of numbers between each number. Therefore an infinite number of numbers must contain (infinity)^2 numbers. Which all goes to prove that infinity is hard to fit into a box. Even a very big one. It's far simpler to just lie on your back on a clear night, holding onto the planet firmly just in case you fall off while contemplating the triviality of your lowly existence. Andrew McP

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> AC wrote: > >> >> "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote in message >> news:E6qdnZwDH-II8YTVnZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@plusnet... >> > >> >"Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" >> >><[email hidden]> wrote: >> > > >> >>> Awe come on - that was good stuff! >> > > > >> >>> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which >> they are >> > > > calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head >> > > > on collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of >> > > > light. If the gravity produced was strong enough and enough of >> > > > these micro black holes occured close enough to each other then >> > > > they could become a black hole proper. >> > > > >> >>> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on >> itself in >> > > > an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a >> > > > thing! :) >> > > > >> > > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to >> > > keep clean. ;-) >> > >> > Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by >> > compressing the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the >> > Higgs Boson. >> > >> >> Most planets dont have the Human virus. >> >> AC > > How do you know? > > The outcome of an infinite Universe containing an infinite number of > stars with planets then by definition there must be an infinite number > of planets which have the human virus... > > ... my head hurts ;-) > > -- > Paul-B

Allow me to split a hair.... Would intelligent life (assuming we believe that is what we have on Earth) on another planet be human? Would nature repeat the same mistake? Although, that could be a super duper from of evolution. In that only life that learns to protect it's planet survives. If so, I wonder how we are doing? Hmmmmm AC

I wonder whether the aliens visiting/living here would allow that to happen...

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> > > AC wrote: >> "Doomsday Machine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:qM4Sj.232108$pM4.116624@pd7urf1no... >> >>>French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) >>>Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG >> >> But what does it all mean, Basil? >> >> AC > > > Move along now. > > This was covered in the FIA inquiry into the 487 stolen pages of A4.

Yeah and Pervy Max can't wait to slap a huge one on the resulting blackhole which must be McLaren siunce they're the only team that has one.

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> AC wrote: > >> >> "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote in message >> news:E6qdnZwDH-II8YTVnZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@plusnet... >> > >> >"Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" >> >><[email hidden]> wrote: >> > > >> >>> Awe come on - that was good stuff! >> > > > >> >>> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which >> they are >> > > > calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head >> > > > on collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of >> > > > light. If the gravity produced was strong enough and enough of >> > > > these micro black holes occured close enough to each other then >> > > > they could become a black hole proper. >> > > > >> >>> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on >> itself in >> > > > an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a >> > > > thing! :) >> > > > >> > > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to >> > > keep clean. ;-) >> > >> > Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by >> > compressing the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the >> > Higgs Boson. >> > >> >> Most planets dont have the Human virus. >> >> AC > > How do you know? > > The outcome of an infinite Universe containing an infinite number of > stars with planets then by definition there must be an infinite number > of planets which have the human virus... > > ... my head hurts ;-)

No there are only a finite number of living creatures in an infinite space, as any finite number divided by infinity is so close to 0 the chances of ever meeting another living creature are so slim as to be irrelevant. (Probably a far more recognisable reference than the last one).

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>French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) >Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG > >In May of 2008 the largest, most expensive scientific experiment, The Large >Hadron Collider will be completed. This mechanical behemoth located along >the French and Swiss border with a total estimated circumference of 17 miles >will be the most powerful particle accelerator in existence. The principal >behind a particle accelerator is that by speeding up the smallest elements >of matter and then colliding them together that they can be broken down >further into even smaller fundamental particles, just as Atoms were once >thought to be the smallest units, so then were Quarks(Up and Down), >Electrons, and Protons discovered. >Why haven't I heard about this before?

They wanted to build one in Texas or Ann Arbor Michigan a few years ago. It was cancelled because it cost too much IIRC, but I had the feeling big oil didn't like it. As opposed to my stand on going to Mars :-), I fully support this project. If we are to advance out of the petrochemical age as a race, we will need to take the next step forward, into the smallness of things, where the secrets of multi-dimensionality, anti-gravity, anti-matter and time reside. If you think the Atomic Age was the dawning of something powerful, wait until they figure out the quarks. I expect them to eventually gain control over anti-matter out of it. This project represents the future hopes of mankind. zentara -- I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. http://zentara.net/japh.html

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> [email hidden] (Rod's work news) wrote: > >> It's actually been misreported. They've simply built a European >> NASCAR oval and placed it underground so that weather won't be an >> issue > > Very good. :-) But I must admit I find the LHC more exciting than Nascar. > > Having said that, Nascar vehicles and their chubby drivers are so > incredibly heavy we could probably save money by colliding them at low > speed instead of atomic particles at very high speeds. > > We'd call it the Large Hillbilly Collider > > Andrew McP >

Another classic Andy ;-) Duely submitted to a.h.b-o-u, mate. All the best, uwe

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> [email hidden] (Paul-B) wrote: > >> by definition there must be an infinite number >> of planets which have the human virus... > > I think there will have been many similar species across the universe. > However as life is inherently unlikely and unstable (ie ultimately > self-destructive), I think the chances of any two planets anywhere > containing life at the same time are close enough to zero to make no > difference.

don't mistake the actions of one mislead (though admittedly rather dominant) culture for a problem of the entire human race. (<== See, it's not off-topic, it has to do with "racing" ;-) Wether this one culture will take the turn for the better, we'll see, but humans have been roaming the planet for millions of years without bringing its ecosystem to the brink of collapse. These people had (some, in fact, still have) a different vision of man and his / her place on the planet and among the community of life, so there's nothing inherently wrong with humans as a species, whatever your culture tries hard to make you believe. All the best, uwe

You know this has to happen. It's inevitable. Some one was going to say it. It's a R.A.S tradition. v v v v v v v v v It's no GPL ;) But it is a whole lot faster then a Lotus.

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> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:37:42 GMT, "Doomsday Machine" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) >>Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG >> >>In May of 2008 the largest, most expensive scientific experiment, The >>Large >>Hadron Collider will be completed. This mechanical behemoth located along >>the French and Swiss border with a total estimated circumference of 17 >>miles >>will be the most powerful particle accelerator in existence. The principal >>behind a particle accelerator is that by speeding up the smallest elements >>of matter and then colliding them together that they can be broken down >>further into even smaller fundamental particles, just as Atoms were once >>thought to be the smallest units, so then were Quarks(Up and Down), >>Electrons, and Protons discovered. > >>Why haven't I heard about this before? > > They wanted to build one in Texas or Ann Arbor Michigan a few years ago. > It was cancelled because it cost too much IIRC, but I had the feeling > big oil didn't like it. > > As opposed to my stand on going to Mars :-), I fully support this > project. > > If we are to advance out of the petrochemical age as a race, we will > need to take the next step forward, into the smallness of things, where > the secrets of multi-dimensionality, anti-gravity, anti-matter and time > reside. > > If you think the Atomic Age was the dawning of something powerful, wait > until they figure out the quarks. I expect them to eventually gain > control over anti-matter out of it. > > This project represents the future hopes of mankind. > > zentara

Links.. Large Hadron Collider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider CERN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN LHC Concerns http://lhcconcerns.com/ National Geograhic - The God Particle http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text BBC News - Lab Fireball May Have Been Black Hole http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4357613.stm An Open Letter To Stephen Hawking http://lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72 Black Holes On Demand (George Street Journal) http://www.brown.edu/Administration/George_Street_Journal/vol26/26GSJ10a.html CBC News - LHC http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/science/lhc.html New York Times - LHC Dangerous? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/science/15cern.html?ex=1336881600&en=7c25f6782d7029e7&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss LHC Legal Defense Fund http://www.lhcdefense.org/ MySpace STOP CERN Website http://www.myspace.com/stopcern LHC Risk Evaluation Forum http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/ YouTube music Video Of The Atom Smasher (LHC) Black Hole Generator http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOFSrS03wjE#GU5U2spHI_4 French Build Doomsday Machine http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com/France_Builds_Doomsday_Machine.htm U-Tube Videos Documentery Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [1 of 3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fJ6PMfnz2E&feature=related Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [2 of 3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNPpeVvZ9w&feature=related Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [3 of 3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XbKZwXK-3c&feature=related The Large Hadron Collider: The End Of The Universe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYdObyJ2A&feature=related I'm all for it as well. If they built it on Mars!

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> On 1 May 2008 09:41:02 GMT, "Paul-B" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>AC wrote: >> >>> >>> "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote in message >>> news:E6qdnZwDH-II8YTVnZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@plusnet... >>> > >>> >"Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>> > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" >>> >><[email hidden]> wrote: >>> > > >>> >>> Awe come on - that was good stuff! >>> > > > >>> >>> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which >>> they are >>> > > > calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head >>> > > > on collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of >>> > > > light. If the gravity produced was strong enough and enough of >>> > > > these micro black holes occured close enough to each other then >>> > > > they could become a black hole proper. >>> > > > >>> >>> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on >>> itself in >>> > > > an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a >>> > > > thing! :) >>> > > > >>> > > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to >>> > > keep clean. ;-) >>> > >>> > Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by >>> > compressing the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the >>> > Higgs Boson. >>> > >>> >>> Most planets dont have the Human virus. >>> >>> AC >> >>How do you know? >> >>The outcome of an infinite Universe containing an infinite number of >>stars with planets then by definition there must be an infinite number >>of planets which have the human virus... >> > Unless we're just a simulation of course. > The possibility of us, as a simulation, being just a subsimulation of > one of an infinite number of simulations, themselves running as subs > in their respective infinite numbers of parent simulations > notwithstanding, it is still only a simulation, and thus not real and > so nothing to for us to worry about.. > >>... my head hurts ;-) >> > Hope this helped. :) > > -- > > Regards, Frank

Yeah, but shift - R is cheating and every lap completed after a shift-R is increasingly meaningless as will our lives be if we allow this micro black hole to suck us all in like a huge whore!

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> [email hidden] (Paul-B) wrote: > >> by definition there must be an infinite number >> of planets which have the human virus... > > I think there will have been many similar species across the universe. > However as life is inherently unlikely and unstable (ie ultimately > self-destructive), I think the chances of any two planets anywhere > containing life at the same time are close enough to zero to make no > difference. > > The infinity thing is fascinating though. There are an infinite number of > numbers. There are also an infinite number of just even numbers (or odd > numbers). It therefore stands to reason that an infinite number of > numbers ought to contain twice as many numbers as an infinite number of > even numbers. > > There are also an infinite number of numbers between each number. > Therefore an infinite number of numbers must contain (infinity)^2 > numbers. > > Which all goes to prove that infinity is hard to fit into a box. Even a > very big one. It's far simpler to just lie on your back on a clear night, > holding onto the planet firmly just in case you fall off while > contemplating the triviality of your lowly existence. > > Andrew McP

Yeah, this entire thing is one of those "in between 6" or even "in the middle of 6" type of things. ie pretty freaky stuff. What does this mean? Well, this is the part of the number line between the numbers 5.9 (repeater) and 6.0 (repeater) with a 1 on the end. Just thought I'd throw that in.

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> > "Paul-B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> AC wrote: >> >>> >>> "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote in message >>> news:E6qdnZwDH-II8YTVnZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@plusnet... >>> > >>> >"Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>> > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" >>> >><[email hidden]> wrote: >>> > > >>> >>> Awe come on - that was good stuff! >>> > > > >>> >>> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which >>> they are >>> > > > calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head >>> > > > on collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of >>> > > > light. If the gravity produced was strong enough and enough of >>> > > > these micro black holes occured close enough to each other then >>> > > > they could become a black hole proper. >>> > > > >>> >>> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on >>> itself in >>> > > > an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a >>> > > > thing! :) >>> > > > >>> > > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to >>> > > keep clean. ;-) >>> > >>> > Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by >>> > compressing the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the >>> > Higgs Boson. >>> > >>> >>> Most planets dont have the Human virus. >>> >>> AC >> >> How do you know? >> >> The outcome of an infinite Universe containing an infinite number of >> stars with planets then by definition there must be an infinite number >> of planets which have the human virus... >> >> ... my head hurts ;-) >> >> -- >> Paul-B > > Allow me to split a hair.... > > Would intelligent life (assuming we believe that is what we have on Earth) > on another planet be human? Would nature repeat the same mistake? > Although, that could be a super duper from of evolution. In that only life > that learns to protect it's planet survives. If so, I wonder how we are > doing? Hmmmmm > > AC >

Put aside the entire theory of evolution - the human organism, as with every other organism, is clearly the design of other beings ie gods. And no, I'm not a silly christian cunt! Nor a silly atheist obviously.

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> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:48190874$[email hidden]... >> Awe come on - that was good stuff! >> >> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which they are >> calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head on >> collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of light. If the >> gravity produced was strong enough and enough of these micro black holes >> occured close enough to each other then they could become a black hole >> proper. >> >> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on itself in >> an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a thing! :) >> > > So the chances of them finding what they are looking for are practially > ZERO. > > But the chances of something bad happening are NOT but zero but darn > close. > > Good investment.. > >

They are attempting to break matter down into sub sub-atomic particles ie beyond protons, electrons, neutrons, etc. How they intend to detect something they have no knowledge of is anyones guess - it seems to me it will be like looking for a "something" in a haystack (at least with a needle you'd actually be aware of it if you happened to find it)! But I'll bet novices like me said the same thing when they were attempting to split the atom.

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> > "ME" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4819bcd9$0$10647$[email hidden]... >>I wonder whether the aliens visiting/living here would allow that to >>happen... >> > > I wonder whether the aliens visiting/living here are the ones who will > make this happen... >

Dont be silly. This experiment will aparently create small worm holes. The aliens are waiting for these to appear so they can prise them open and invade. Those of us with tinfoil hats will become the chosen ones. Personally I like the irony of the world being invaded via Swizerland. AC

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| AC wrote: | | > | > "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote in message | > news:E6qdnZwDH-II8YTVnZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@plusnet... | > > | > >"Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:[email hidden]... | > > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 10:01:56 +1000, "Byron Forbes" | > >><[email hidden]> wrote: | > > > | > >>> Awe come on - that was good stuff! | > > > > | > >>> The basic point is this - you will get super densities (which | > they are | > > > > calling micro black holes) produced by making protons have head | > > > > on collisions with a relative speed of twice the speed of | > > > > light. If the gravity produced was strong enough and enough of | > > > > these micro black holes occured close enough to each other then | > > > > they could become a black hole proper. | > > > > | > >>> So what you say? Well then the entire planet collapses in on | > itself in | > > > > an instant. Don't worry - you won't see it coming or feel a | > > > > thing! :) | > > > > | > > > Crap, the Greens will be pissed. Black is almost impossible to | > > > keep clean. ;-) | > > | > > Most planets of our class destroy them selves not by war but by | > > compressing the entire planet to the size of a pea looking for the | > > Higgs Boson. | > > | > | > Most planets dont have the Human virus. | > | > AC | | How do you know? | | The outcome of an infinite Universe containing an infinite number of | stars with planets then by definition there must be an infinite number | of planets which have the human virus... | | ... my head hurts ;-) |

Ah, no - just looking at our solar system shows that not all planets are inhabited. A number less than infinity is finite. Any finite number divided by infinity is as close to zero as makes no difference, hence all people are figments of my imagination. Damn, I'm good.... E

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> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > This experiment will aparently create small worm holes. The aliens are > waiting for these to appear so they can prise them open and invade. Those of > us with tinfoil hats will become the chosen ones. > > Personally I like the irony of the world being invaded via Swizerland. > > AC

I also understand that if you sail a ship off the edge of the flat earth, you fall into space. Bob Simpson

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> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > This experiment will aparently create small worm holes. The aliens are > waiting for these to appear so they can prise them open and invade. Those > of > us with tinfoil hats will become the chosen ones. > > Personally I like the irony of the world being invaded via Swizerland. > > AC >I also understand that if you sail a ship off the edge of the flat >earth, you fall into space. > >Bob Simpson

That might explian where your sense of humour went, but not what to do about wormhole stretching aliens invading. AC

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> > "Bob Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > On May 1, 8:53 pm, "AC" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> >> This experiment will aparently create small worm holes. The aliens are >> waiting for these to appear so they can prise them open and invade. Those >> of >> us with tinfoil hats will become the chosen ones. >> >> Personally I like the irony of the world being invaded via Swizerland. >> >> AC > >>I also understand that if you sail a ship off the edge of the flat >>earth, you fall into space. >> >>Bob Simpson > > That might explian where your sense of humour went, but not what to do > about wormhole stretching aliens invading. > > AC

So eventually we know more and more about less and less until we know everything about nothing. Peter R.

"Peter R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:481bb361$0$4043$[email hidden]...

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> > "AC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BbKSj.96300$[email hidden]... >> >> "Bob Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> On May 1, 8:53 pm, "AC" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> >>> >>> This experiment will aparently create small worm holes. The aliens are >>> waiting for these to appear so they can prise them open and invade. >>> Those of >>> us with tinfoil hats will become the chosen ones. >>> >>> Personally I like the irony of the world being invaded via Swizerland. >>> >>> AC >> >>>I also understand that if you sail a ship off the edge of the flat >>>earth, you fall into space. >>> >>>Bob Simpson >> >> That might explian where your sense of humour went, but not what to do >> about wormhole stretching aliens invading. >> >> AC > So eventually we know more and more about less and less until we know > everything about nothing. > > Peter R. >

Exactly !!!!! Or not ??? Doh............... AC

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> French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) > Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG > > French Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) > Old Dying Physicists want to go out with a BIG BANG > > What are we talking about? > > Many helpful Links and Video links at end of post. > > http://lhcconcerns.com/ > >

Anyone know what part of the machine these are? Looks cool. James Bond stuff :) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/science/29collider.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text

Shift-R? What does shift-R do? Which game? --A-- On 02.05.2008 01:50, * Byron Forbes wrote:

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> "Frank Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > Yeah, but shift - R is cheating and every lap completed after a shift-R > is increasingly meaningless as will our lives be if we allow this micro > black hole to suck us all in like a huge whore! > > >

[email hidden] (Asgeir Nesoen) wrote: > Shift-R? What does shift-R do? Which game? You should be ashamed of yourself! Here, take this dunce's cap and go stand in the corner of RAS until we tell you it's all right to come back. <tut!> Andrew McP PS A tale from the RAS archives which you should study while in the corner.... /In a place far away and long ago.../ (well, a place near France and about 20 minutes ago, but who's counting?) "Use the Force Luke." No thanks, I'll use this steering wheel -- it cost a fortune. "Then move the slider, Luke... totally linear input is the Jedi's Way." But Master, my arms tremble with fear under braking. There'll be Force all over the hay bales if I use totally linear input! "Fear not. Trust in yourself. Be fast Luke, be *fast*!" <Luke grits teeth> <moves slider away from the middle of the scale, all the way to the left> <clicks green buttons> <time passes, usually sideways, with smoking tyres and much swearing> Master! "Luke?" Fetch Yoda quickly! I'm upside down. "Upside down? A Jedi must learn to see the world from all angles. Seek not to turn the world when all that needs turning is your perception of what is correct, Luke." <closes eyes> <tries to reposition sensory expectations> <opens eyes> Master? "What now?" I'm still upside down. "Very well then, you may Sh'ftah yourself... but only this one last time, mind." But my mother said... "Sh'ftah, Luke! I made no mention of warts and hairy palms." Oh, sorry master, I can't. "Ah, I have taught you well, my son. The Force is strong in you, you can no longer bear to cheat." Er, sorry Master. My Sh'ftah's been playing up for days. I think I've worn it out. Can you fetch me a spare keyboard? ********************COMMERCIAL BREAK************************* Keyboard problems? Look no further! In conjunction with Papyrus Software and whoever decided Win95 keys were a good idea, we here at Ronco are *proud* to announce the GPL Recovery Keyboard. Seventeen SHIFT keys to choose from! A massive *twenty-nine* R keys! You'll never run out of recovery keys again! And of course, like all Ronco's other products, it dices carrots and mashes potatoes for you! You'll never want to use another keyboard again -- we guarantee it! <two thonged lap dancers jiggle onscreen carrying a sample keyboard and a bowl of steaming potatoes. One tips the potatoes onto the floor (bending gratuitously towards the camera in the process). The other places the keyboard gently on top of the potatoes. Holding each other for support, the girls step carefully onto the keyboard, then jump up and down repeatedly. The potatoes probably get mashed, but who's waTcjiNg?> ************************************************************ "Hah hmmm!" Eh? What? "Luke, if you carry on dribbling like that you'll drown in your helmet. You're still upside down, remember? Here's that new keyboard." <car drops to track right way up> <A bead of dribble forms on Luke's chin. He starts to wipe it away> "No Luke. See how your drool follows the path of least resistance." <Luke goes cross-eyed trying to stare at his chin> "Watch it drip onto your cheap nylon overalls and run down the creases, seeking a final harmonious resting place. Let your car be that drool Luke. Let it seek the creases in the track as surely as... what's wrong now?" <Luke pouts> My leg's wet Master. "Stop whining. Next you'll be starting a thread about how unfair it is you're a cr*p driver!" Sorry Master. I promise I'll... Master? <His bearded tutor struggles in the grip of a predictable tall black figure whose gloved hand is clamped over the old Jedi's mouth> <insert sound effects> HEAR ME LUKE. DO NOT LISTEN TO THE OLD FOOL! HE WOULD HAVE YOU WALK BAREFOOT IN A LAND OF SHOE SHOPS AND JANUARY SALES! Father, are you being cryptic again? I thought the suppositories and bran supplements were supposed to sort that out. LUKE, LISTEN TO ME! NON-LINEAR INPUT IS THE TRUE PATH. IT IS FOOLHARDY TO IGNORE HELP WHEN IT IS THERE TO BE TAKEN. But father, he says it leads me into bad habits. How shall I know which is the true path? And none of that drool cr*p, all right? FOLLOW YOUR HEART, LUKE. LET YOUR BASE, ANIMAL SELF FLOOD YOUR CONSCIENCE WITH HORMONAL INSTINCT, AND... <the young Jedi closes his eyes, envisages the slider moving slightly away from its linear extreme, lets slip the clutch, and...> BL**DY FOOL! YOU COULD'VE RUN US BOTH OVER! YOU OK OBI? "Nothing broken." <the old Jedi brushes dust from his cloak> <Darth sighs as he notices his armour's got scuffed> WELL OBI, YOU THINK HE'LL BE OK NOW? "B*gger him Vader, where did those lap dancers go?" <cue theme tune> <cue sunset> <cue hero driving into distance... then a ditch> <cue credits> Key Grip: Andrew McP SUBTITLES: Moved slider from middle to full linear... spent an hour sliding off the track but *nearly* holding it together. Put slider a little over to the right, tried again and within five laps I *finally* manages a 1:09.80, my first sub-1:10 after a load of 1:10.19/23/64/83 steps over the last few days. God knows where I'll get another three seconds from, but by heck it's fun trying!

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>[email hidden] (Asgeir Nesoen) wrote: > >> Shift-R? What does shift-R do? Which game? > >You should be ashamed of yourself! Here, take this dunce's cap and go >stand in the corner of RAS until we tell you it's all right to come back. > > ><tut!> > >Andrew McP > >PS A tale from the RAS archives which you should study while in the >corner....

<Snip> Ah, yes! I lost that story a while ago, and I'm glad to have it back! It was the first thing I thought about after reading Asgeir's post. Thanks, Andrew! Cheers! Remco