Cleveland track in CPR

Okay, okay, so it's probably been discussed before. Just got my copy Saturday - still just poking around in this one. But I've got to comment on the extra chicane just beyond start/finish line on the cleveland track . Where did this one come from? Hello? "...GPS accurate to within 10cm..." - my big ol' butt. How could they miss this, or am I the one missing something? Anxiously awaiting the patch to see if this one can pull me away from GP2........ Tim

yeah that drives me crazy too, that is a track configuration that they haven't used for 5 or 6 years...

> But I've got to comment on the extra chicane just beyond > start/finish line on the cleveland track .Where did this one > come from? Hello? I don't have the game yet (please, oh please, Santa!), but a friend of mine said something about that extra chicane being representative of the old Cleveland circuit. Apparently, it was a pretty exciting place to watch when cars were coming out of the pits... (translation: they changed it for safety reasons) My guess is MS/TRI got a hold of some old blueprints... In any case, it is wrong... Hopefully this is fixable (at least by some talented folks here if not MS/TRI) when the track editor comes out... - Mike. ============================================ Mike Holthouse - Indianapolis, IN My new philosophy is to never explain my philosophies. I wish I could tell you why. ============================================

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>> But I've got to comment on the extra chicane just beyond >> start/finish line on the cleveland track .Where did this one >> come from? Hello? >.....extra chicane being >representative of the old Cleveland circuit. Apparently, it was >a pretty exciting place to watch when cars were coming out >of the pits... (translation: they changed it for safety reasons) >My guess is MS/TRI got a hold of some old blueprints...

Glad to know that at least the chicane DID exist at some point in time. Question is, just exactly what were they measuring with their "GPS units accurate to within 10cm..", or is this a bunch of crap? It may be a bit presumptious to say, but I figure these MS/TRI guys are physically at the tracks with their GPS gear, mapping this stuff out....Oh, sorry, that would take too much money, so lets just look at some blueprints of the tracks instead!?!?! I would LOVE to hear their explanation for how that happened. (not holding my breath though!) Tim

I think they used an old layout map and measured what they thought was the track. Since the track is made up of runways and taxiways they measured what they thought was right. i guess none of these guys watch CART races.......

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> Glad to know that at least the chicane DID exist at some point in time. > Question is, just exactly what were they measuring with their "GPS units > accurate to within 10cm..", or is this a bunch of crap? It may be a bit > presumptious to say, but I figure these MS/TRI guys are physically at the > tracks with their GPS gear, mapping this stuff out....Oh, sorry, that would > take too much money, so lets just look at some blueprints of the tracks > instead!?!?! I would LOVE to hear their explanation for how that happened. > (not holding my breath though!) > Tim

Hehe do you have the nuts to go out there with the GPS equipment while there are airplanes flying by you from every direction. Keep in mind that the Cleveland track is a full-time airport and only converted to a race track for 1 weekend a year. -- Dave Otterness

>Glad to know that at least the chicane DID exist at some point in >time. Question is, just exactly what were they measuring with >their "GPS units accurate to within 10cm..", or is this a bunch of >crap? I don't think it's a load of ***as far as the permanent tracks are concerned, but it may be a stretch when they're talking about the temporary ones... Especially in the case of Cleveland, where I doubt the FAA would approve another racing related shut-down of an airport! Especially for a bunch of computer nerds making a racing game! :-) - Mike. ============================================ Mike Holthouse - Indianapolis, IN My new philosophy is to never explain my philosophies. I wish I could tell you why. ============================================

I have only been a CART fan since 1995 so I wondered where the heck this layout came from! I wasn't around when the old layout was used.

If I remember right, I think the CART team said that it had something to do with the way the pits in C:P.R. work. If you remember the "real" Cleveland track, the exit for pit road comes out into the middle of turn 1. For some reason, the C:P.R. pits needed to have the track set up like it is in the game for them to function properly. Hope this helps! -- Mike McCloskey C.P.R. Playground http://www.msu.edu/user/mcclosk6/cart/cart.htm

On Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:03:34 -0600, David Otterness >Hehe do you have the nuts to go out there with the GPS equipment while >there are airplanes flying by you from every direction. Keep in mind >that the Cleveland track is a full-time airport and only converted to a >race track for 1 weekend a year. Of course, and I doubt anyone could argue with that. However what was wrong with popping along to the track while the airport was closed for the race, or getting hold of the race videos and doing it from those? Personally I don't think it's a big deal, but if you read that something is GPS measured for incredible accuracy and then find some aspects that obviously aren't due to whatever compromise, it makes you wonder which other parts of the game were compromised. Not a complaint, not a moan about CPR or MS/TRI, simply an observation on human nature. Cheers! John

a little off the subject but laguna seca is pretty close but the best part "the corkscrew" is not very close at all. I have raced at laguna many times and icr2 is the only one that gets u that close to the real feeling. papy did such a great job on mid-ohio, elkhart (except the kink) and laguna i couldnt believe it when i first played icr2, felt like i was really there. but i still wont give up the real racing though. just my 2 cents. Just wondering if others feel the same way. Doug

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> Okay, okay, so it's probably been discussed before. Just got my copy > Saturday - still just poking around in this one. But I've got to comment on > the extra chicane just beyond start/finish line on the cleveland track . > Where did this one come from? Hello? "...GPS accurate to within 10cm..." - > my big ol' butt. How could they miss this, or am I the one missing > something? Anxiously awaiting the patch to see if this one can pull me away > from GP2........ > Tim

Actually I have raced at Laguna Seca too and it seems real too me. Turn 6 is dead on and produces the same car dynamics that I felt when racing there. The cork***is realistic too. The only thing that I noticed that is different is the small undulation in the hill leading up to the cork*** and in turn 11 the wall is moved back on the inside part of the turn. John >a little off the subject but laguna seca is pretty close but the best part "the >corkscrew" is not very close at all. I have raced at laguna many times and icr2 >is the only one that gets u that close to the real feeling. papy did such a >great job on mid-ohio, elkhart (except the kink) and laguna i couldnt believe it >when i first played icr2, felt like i was really there. but i still wont give >up the real racing though. just my 2 cents. Just wondering if others feel the

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>same way. >Doug >> Okay, okay, so it's probably been discussed before. Just got my copy >> Saturday - still just poking around in this one. But I've got to comment

on >> the extra chicane just beyond start/finish line on the cleveland track . >> Where did this one come from? Hello? "...GPS accurate to within 10cm..." - >> my big ol' butt. How could they miss this, or am I the one missing >> something? Anxiously awaiting the patch to see if this one can pull me away >> from GP2........ >> Tim