F1RS - new 3DFX drivers problem

I've just installed the latest 3DFX Glide 2.43 driver set and now F1RS won't recognise my 3DFX card ! I've tried to reinstall the game but it still says that I don't have a 3DFX card installed and will only install the game with Direct X drivers - and the new patch won't work now either ! All my other games work fine - in fact there was a tremendous improvement with the frame rate on TOCA. Any ideas ? Phil

Hi You didn't say whose 3dfx board/drivers you have ? I had the same problem initially, F1RS couldn't see my Diamond Monster 3dfx card at all. The problem was that I was using the latest reference driver I got from the 3dfx website. I re-installed the latest specific Diamond Monster 3DFX drivers, works OK now. Awesome game, hope you get it working Ok. Geoff

Hi It's an Orchid Righteous and I got the drivers from the Orchid site. Strange thing is, I can hear the card clicking in as normal and the game seems to run ok although I have not installed the 3dfx version of the game. Could it be, unlike TOCA for example, this game doesn't differ much in 3dfx or DirectX ? Or does DirectX still use the Orchid borad in some way and that's what I'm hearing ? Whatever, it's still a stunning game - Geoff Crammond must be crying in his beer - how can GP3 beat this ? Better setup diagnostics perhaps, but graphics - I just don't see how. Phil Hi You didn't say whose 3dfx board/drivers you have ? I had the same problem initially, F1RS couldn't see my Diamond Monster 3dfx card at all. The problem was that I was using the latest reference driver I got from the 3dfx website. I re-installed the latest specific Diamond Monster 3DFX drivers, works OK now. Awesome game, hope you get it working Ok. Geoff

Don't confuse DirectX and Direct3d. Direct3d is a subset of the DirectX package of drivers and APIs (someone else could probably explain it better than I). F1RS requires DirectX 5 for both installations (D3D and 3Dfx). Since your R3d supports Direct3d in addition to native Glide and OpenGL, the Direct3d installation of F1RS will run on your R3d, but you won't get the same effects and possibly performance as with the native 3dfx version. One solution I saw for the 3dfx install problem was to reinstall the original drivers that you got with your R3d. Then see if the install program will recognize the 3dfx card. Once the install is done, upgrade to your latest R3d drivers or 3dfx reference drivers. Good luck.

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>Hi >It's an Orchid Righteous and I got the drivers from the Orchid site. >Strange thing is, I can hear the card clicking in as normal and the game >seems to run ok although I have not installed the 3dfx version of the game. >Could it be, unlike TOCA for example, this game doesn't differ much in 3dfx >or DirectX ? Or does DirectX still use the Orchid borad in some way and >that's what I'm hearing ? >Whatever, it's still a stunning game - Geoff Crammond must be crying in his >beer - how can GP3 beat this ? Better setup diagnostics perhaps, but >graphics - I just don't see how. >Phil >Hi >You didn't say whose 3dfx board/drivers you have ? >I had the same problem initially, F1RS couldn't see my Diamond Monster >3dfx card at all. >The problem was that I was using the latest reference driver I got from the >3dfx website. >I re-installed the latest specific Diamond Monster 3DFX drivers, works OK >now. >Awesome game, hope you get it working Ok. > Geoff

On 21 Dec 1997 23:13:47 GMT, "Phil" >Whatever, it's still a stunning game - Geoff Crammond must be crying in his >beer - how can GP3 beat this ? Better setup diagnostics perhaps, but >graphics - I just don't see how. F1RS may be a great game (well, it _is_ a great game!) but it is a looooooong way from perfect. Given two minutes I could list any number of things that could be added, quite apart from extensive improvements that could be made to the driving model. It's another step forward, but we're a long way from "The Ultimate Sim". Cheers! John

Phil, The latest Orchid drivers remove glide.dll from your windows system directory. Simply copy glide.dl_ back from the CD that came with your card and rename it glide.dll When you run the install for F1rs your 3dfx card should then be recognised. Regards DM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply please remove < .nospam > from my e-mail address -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Error, no keyboard - press F1 to continue." - PC Bios Message

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>I've just installed the latest 3DFX Glide 2.43 driver set and now F1RS >won't recognise my 3DFX card ! I've tried to reinstall the game but it >still says that I don't have a 3DFX card installed and will only install >the game with Direct X drivers - and the new patch won't work now either ! >All my other games work fine - in fact there was a tremendous improvement >with the frame rate on TOCA. >Any ideas ? >Phil

Phil, I missed the start of your thread and can't be bothered going back, but... It's good that the card is clicking in DirectX, it means that Direct3d is kicking in. (you may hear the card click in multiple times in some games that is not a problem just the software playing with your card) Direct3d of course works on 3dfx boards, quite well would be an understatement, however I would recommend using the Glide version (ie native 3dfx) immediately cause it's just that much cooler (after trying it I think you'll agree). Hope this helps... In regard to better graphics in a game, well I'm not sure about GP3 (at all) but I think if you close your eyes for 6-12 months and then open them very quickly... don't let this take the shine of F1RS, it seriously sets a very high standard for future games... Merry Christmas All kane

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>Hi >It's an Orchid Righteous and I got the drivers from the Orchid site. >Strange thing is, I can hear the card clicking in as normal and the game >seems to run ok although I have not installed the 3dfx version of the game. >Could it be, unlike TOCA for example, this game doesn't differ much in 3dfx >or DirectX ? Or does DirectX still use the Orchid borad in some way and >that's what I'm hearing ? >Whatever, it's still a stunning game - Geoff Crammond must be crying in his >beer - how can GP3 beat this ? Better setup diagnostics perhaps, but >graphics - I just don't see how. >Phil

I have had the same problem and pinpointed it to the latest 3.0 drivers. The problem dissapears when I go back to the original 2.x drivers. And yes F1RS has been the only program that has done this. :(

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>I've just installed the latest 3DFX Glide 2.43 driver set and now F1RS >won't recognise my 3DFX card ! I've tried to reinstall the game but it >still says that I don't have a 3DFX card installed and will only install >the game with Direct X drivers - and the new patch won't work now either ! >All my other games work fine - in fact there was a tremendous improvement >with the frame rate on TOCA. >Any ideas ? >Phil

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>On 21 Dec 1997 23:13:47 GMT, "Phil" >>Whatever, it's still a stunning game - Geoff Crammond must be crying in his >>beer - how can GP3 beat this ? Better setup diagnostics perhaps, but >>graphics - I just don't see how. >F1RS may be a great game (well, it _is_ a great game!) but it is a >looooooong way from perfect. Given two minutes I could list any number >of things that could be added, quite apart from extensive improvements >that could be made to the driving model. >It's another step forward, but we're a long way from "The Ultimate >Sim". >Cheers! >John

Yep, and AFAIC, GP2 still beats it for that driving feel. There just seems to be something lacking in the "feel" dept in F1RS. Cheers.....Ken Remove "NOSPAM" from address for e-mail _____ _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ ___ ___ !_ _! |_| | | | | \| | _ \| __| \ | | | _ | !_! | .` | !_) | _!| !! / !_! !_! !_!\___/!_!\_!___ /!___!_!\_\

>Yep, and AFAIC, GP2 still beats it for that driving feel. There >just seems to be something lacking in the "feel" dept in F1RS. Now thats what I call a detailed analysis of F1RS's flaws! Just kidding. :) If you cant pinpoint exactly what's wrong with the "driving feel" of F1RS, could it be simply because you are very used to GP2? Just a though, I know Im the same way with other types of games. Ive only seen GP2 played, but by all accounts it sounds like an impressive sim. I just dont understand why MicroProse didnt create a 3D patch for it. A patch would have sold many more copies of the game, especially when for the longest time there was no other Formula 1 racing sim that was as realistic. As it is now, it may be a great sim, but the graphics are dated and the competition has caught up (F1RS). By the time GP3 comes out with 3D support, F1RS will have a good chunk of the market and would have stolen the wind from GP3's sails. Marc.

What is AFAIC ?. AS to F1rs my first impression was like yours but the more I used it the more I liked it. It wouldn't be much of a challenge if it felt like GP2. There are some menu problem to be worked out but I think it is a great sim. Will I delete GP2 from my HD ? No. Will I buy GP3 the first day it is available? Yes. For every great sims (ICR2, GP2, SODA, F1RS, and N2) we get a dozen losers (CPR , NFS2, Test Drive4, etc.) . Thank God for demos. Just my 2 cents. BTW please respond on AFAIC. Am I miss- ing out on a great sim ?

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>>Yep, and AFAIC, GP2 still beats it for that driving feel. There >>just seems to be something lacking in the "feel" dept in F1RS. >Now thats what I call a detailed analysis of F1RS's flaws! Just >kidding. :) >If you cant pinpoint exactly what's wrong with the "driving feel" of >F1RS, could it be simply because you are very used to GP2? Just a >though, I know Im the same way with other types of games. >Ive only seen GP2 played, but by all accounts it sounds like an >impressive sim. >I just dont understand why MicroProse didnt create a 3D patch for it. >A patch would have sold many more copies of the game, especially when >for the longest time there was no other Formula 1 racing sim that was >as realistic. >As it is now, it may be a great sim, but the graphics are dated and >the competition has caught up (F1RS). By the time GP3 comes out with >3D support, F1RS will have a good chunk of the market and would have >stolen the wind from GP3's sails. >Marc.

I think that AFAIC means 'As far as i'm concerned'..this is not a sim :))))) hope that helps, too bad it doesnt support 3dfx... :)

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>What is AFAIC ?. AS to F1rs my first impression was like yours but >the more I used it the more I liked it. It wouldn't be much of a >challenge if it felt like GP2. There are some menu problem to be >worked out but I think it is a great sim. Will I delete GP2 from my >HD ? No. Will I buy GP3 the first day it is available? Yes. For >every great sims (ICR2, GP2, SODA, F1RS, and N2) we get a >dozen losers (CPR , NFS2, Test Drive4, etc.) . Thank God for >demos. Just my 2 cents. BTW please respond on AFAIC. Am I miss- >ing out on a great sim ? >>>Yep, and AFAIC, GP2 still beats it for that driving feel. There >>>just seems to be something lacking in the "feel" dept in F1RS.

>What is AFAIC ?. As Far As I'm Concerned, OK ?? Cheers.....Ken Remove "NOSPAM" from address for e-mail _____ _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ ___ ___ !_ _! |_| | | | | \| | _ \| __| \ | | | _ | !_! | .` | !_) | _!| !! / !_! !_! !_!\___/!_!\_!___ /!___!_!\_\

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>>Yep, and AFAIC, GP2 still beats it for that driving feel. There >>just seems to be something lacking in the "feel" dept in F1RS. >Now thats what I call a detailed analysis of F1RS's flaws! Just >kidding. :) >If you cant pinpoint exactly what's wrong with the "driving feel" of >F1RS, could it be simply because you are very used to GP2? Just a >though, I know Im the same way with other types of games.

I find it difficult to describe, and maybe its because I haven't played it enough, but a lot of these other "sims" feel as if they are floating above the track, some more than others. Yes it is, and you should try playing it. Probably more than a patch would be required and just too much work involved. In my book, graphics aren't everything. I have seen this all too often in the past, and even more recently with the newer racing games. Enhanced graphics, but the game being let down by the poor gameplay. GP2 still has it for me, and I dont think the graphics are that bad, and lets face it, if you're playing with a game like this, who really has the time to look at all that detail. I just hope that there will be a GP3. Cheers.....Ken Remove "NOSPAM" from address for e-mail _____ _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ ___ ___ !_ _! |_| | | | | \| | _ \| __| \ | | | _ | !_! | .` | !_) | _!| !! / !_! !_! !_!\___/!_!\_!___ /!___!_!\_\