Pure 3d, where?

where can a sim racer walk in and buy the Canopus Pure 3D card, I want one, and I can't seem to find anyplace who stocks it let alone anyone who has heard of it outside RAS. I'm in aht San Jose, CA area. thanks

I bought mine from their home page at: http://www.pure3d.com/pure3d.htm I ordered on line and had FedX deliver it a day or two. Worked out real well. Great video card! Later, MN

I ordered mine from Canopus. I'm not sure if they are available at the retail level. I've never seen Canopus products at any of my local computer stores. When i ordered mine they were backordered but i did receive it when they said I would. I believe I read on here that they are backordered again until Jan? You might check at their homage at http://www.canopuscorp.com/ It is an excellent card though. I've added it to the STB Vel 128 AGP card and it is as fast in most games as my Riva card! Ken The Game Pad http://gamepad.org/

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> where can a sim racer walk in and buy the Canopus Pure 3D card, I want > one, and I can't seem to find anyplace who stocks it let alone anyone > who has heard of it outside RAS. > I'm in aht San Jose, CA area. > thanks

Ken The Game Pad http://gamepad.org/ wrote : Why do you have to add the pure 3d card to your STB riva based card. Does the riva have problems doing 3d? Thanks Brian Mathe

While its very fast, like all of the Riva128 cards, the image quality isn't nearly as good as the Voodoo or Rendition cards. -- Eric T. Busch http://ebusch.akorn.net >Why do you have to add the pure 3d card to your STB riva based card. >Does the riva have problems doing 3d?

> While its very fast, like all of the Riva128 cards, the image quality > isn't nearly as good as the Voodoo or Rendition cards. Or apparantely as fast ... See the 12/15/97 news item on the subject of "The Biggest Quake2 FPS" at http://o3dfx.allgames.com/news/today.shtml The RIVA 128 card is definitely behind Voodoo 1 and far behind Voodoo 2... And add the lesser image quality ... and I have to ask, why? Here are the numbers: ====================================== Quake 2 FPS Benchmarks: 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo Rush 6MB 640x480 18.2 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo Rush 6MB 512x384 22.9 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 SLI 4/4/4 1024x768 61.4 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 SLI 4/4/4 960x720 61.4 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 SLI 4/4/4 800x600 67.1 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 SLI 4/4/4 640x480 67.5 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 SLI 4/4/4 512x384 67.3 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 4/4/4 800x600 56.6 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 4/4/4 640x480 65.5 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 4/4/4 512x384 67.4 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 SLI 2/2/2 800x600 66.4 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 SLI 2/2/2 640x480 66.8 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 SLI 2/2/2 512x384 67.2 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 2/2/2 640x480 65.4 3Dfx Reference 3Dfx Voodoo2 2/2/2 512x384 67.3 Canopus Pure3D 3Dfx Voodoo 6MB 640x480 27.0 Canopus Pure3D 3Dfx Voodoo 6MB 512x384 39.6 Diamond Monster3D 3Dfx Voodoo 4MB 640x480 26.7 Diamond Monster3D 3Dfx Voodoo 4MB 512x384 39.3 Matrox M3D PowerVR PCX2 800x600 17.3 Matrox M3D PowerVR PCX2 640x480 22.6 Matrox M3D PowerVR PCX2 512x384 27.0 Rendition Reference Rendition V2200 AGP 640x480 22.9 Rendition Reference Rendition V2200 AGP 512x384 31.0 STB Velocity128 NVidia RIVA128 AGP 800x600 STB Velocity128 NVidia RIVA128 AGP 640x480 22.9 STB Velocity128 NVidia RIVA128 AGP 512x384 25.7 STB Velocity128 NVidia RIVA128 PCI 800x600 STB Velocity128 NVidia RIVA128 PCI 640x480 19.4 STB Velocity128 NVidia RIVA128 PCI 512x384 21.8 Note: These benchmarks were performed not by 3dfx, but by Brian Hook of Id Software. Brian has admitted that early on he was not a big fan of 3dfx.... but obviously his opinions have changed. =========================================== Doug

Hmm, the things I got from this: 1) Voodoo1 is still the best untill Voodoo2 comes out. 2) Rendition V2200 is faster than Riva or PowerPR but not as fast as Voodoo1. 3) Voodoo Rush sucks. 4) Voodoo2 rocks!

> Hmm, the things I got from this: > 1) Voodoo1 is still the best untill Voodoo2 comes out. At least on Quake2.... remember, different software packages will test out differently. But I think Quake2 is a fairly "heavy" graphics game, so it should be a fair representation of the kind of performance we can expect on the type of games we run (sims...) Amen... Ah yes... All the Pre-hype looks like it might be true. But remember they originally claimed about 100fps.. but 60 is not bad.

I'll do you a deal... you can have my Righteous 3D, and I'll get the Pure 3D. Sound okay?

> > 4) Voodoo2 rocks! > Ah yes... All the Pre-hype looks like it might be true. But remember > they originally claimed about 100fps.. but 60 is not bad. Actually, they claimed 100fps on Quake, not quake II. I get 39fps on quake with my voodoo, where they get 26 on quake II. 60 seems about right for voodoo2 on quake II if they get 100fps on quake. -- Markus

Congratulations. If your aim is to make Riva 128 look especially bad, you've managed to choose _The_One_ benchmark. The Riva OpenGL drivers are currently Alpha2, which means they shouldn't even be publicly available (and they wouldn't be if there hadn't been public demand beyond belief), they aren't even beta yet. As nVidia points out, they are still very much trying to make it work _right_, performance issues will be dealt with later on and no optimizations have been made yet. Actually, even in this benchmark, Riva based card is performing surprisingly well with just alpha drivers. That's why. Of course, if you're _only_ interested in playing games when it comes to 3D graphics, 3Dfx (or possibly some other dedicated 3D game card) is probably the way to go. Personally, I'm also interested in VRMLs and 3D modeling and considering this, Riva cards are simply unbelievable in what they can offer for their price. The ability to accelerate most 3D games today is an added bonus I don't mind having around. Most 3D games I've played recently (F1RS, Jedi Knight, G-Police) have been very enjoyable and I suppose that's the only thing that really counts in the end. --- Antti Markus Peteri "He was a bold man that first ate an oyster." Jonathan Swift (1667-1745) Polite Conversation, Dialogue I

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> > See the 12/15/97 news item on the subject of "The Biggest Quake2 FPS" at > > [link lost in import] > > The RIVA 128 card is definitely behind Voodoo 1 and far behind Voodoo > > 2... And add the lesser image quality ... and I have to ask, why? > Congratulations. If your aim is to make Riva 128 look especially bad, > you've managed to choose _The_One_ benchmark. The Riva OpenGL drivers are > currently Alpha2, which means they shouldn't even be publicly available > (and they wouldn't be if there hadn't been public demand beyond belief), > they aren't even beta yet. As nVidia points out, they are still very much > trying to make it work _right_, performance issues will be dealt with > later on and no optimizations have been made yet. Actually, even in this > benchmark, Riva based card is performing surprisingly well with just > alpha drivers. > That's why. > >Canopus Pure3D 3Dfx Voodoo 6MB 640x480 27.0 > >Diamond Monster3D 3Dfx Voodoo 4MB 640x480 26.7 > >STB Velocity128 NVidia RIVA128 AGP 640x480 22.9 > >STB Velocity128 NVidia RIVA128 PCI 640x480 19.4 > Of course, if you're _only_ interested in playing games when it comes to > 3D graphics, 3Dfx (or possibly some other dedicated 3D game card) is > probably the way to go. Personally, I'm also interested in VRMLs and 3D > modeling and considering this, Riva cards are simply unbelievable in what > they can offer for their price. The ability to accelerate most 3D games > today is an added bonus I don't mind having around. Most 3D games I've > played recently (F1RS, Jedi Knight, G-Police) have been very enjoyable > and I suppose that's the only thing that really counts in the end. > --- > Antti Markus Peteri > "He was a bold man that first ate an oyster." > Jonathan Swift (1667-1745) > Polite Conversation, Dialogue I

Your points about RIVA are well taken... But for many of us, 3d represents *** and that's it. Doug

> I ordered mine from Canopus. I'm not sure if they are available at the > retail level. I've never seen Canopus products at any of my local computer > stores. Well, I saw one the other day at future shop. That's in canada mind you but if it can be bought off the shelf over here, it must also be in the states.

I'm well aware of what chip the Pure3D uses. However, if you had bothered to read the post I was replying to, you would have noted that the author had questioned why someone would want to add a Voodoo card if they already had a Riva128 card. I was simply pointing out that while quite fast, the Riva128's aren't a perfect 3D solution. -- Eric T. Busch http://ebusch.akorn.net