F1RS - flipped my car!

Running Argentina last night (now that's a ***track if ever I've raced one - I couldn't even get the one decent 5th gear bend right) and coming out of that very corner, I ran into the back of someone and my car back flipped! At least I think it was a back flip - I just clipped the car and saw blue sky for a couple of seconds. I landed on the air box, and with one of the rear wheels touching the tarmac, the car slowly pirouetted around. I'd like to know how hitting someone from behind can make a car flip - I can't think of any was that could happen in real life. I'd have put a replay of it on the web but I've been running with replays disabled. Oh, and why is no-one talking about F1RS, swapping setups, and so on? Are we all too busy playing? Ken -- #include <disclaim>

Ive actually seen that happen once with Riccardo Patrese hitting Bergers car from behind he got airborn and did an back flipp, pretty scary if you asked me. I guess you have to hit the rear tire to make this happen thats what Ricardo did anyway. Have you been to www.ubisoft.fr ? There are some setups to be both up and downloaded pretty nice. Magnus...

>Ive actually seen that happen once with Riccardo Patrese hitting Bergers >car from behind he got airborn and did an back flipp, pretty scary if you >asked me. Oh yes, I remember an incident like that - wasn't it at Estoril and when Berger braked to pit, Patrese (thought it was someone else?) flipped and landed on the pit wall. Thinking about it, the extra mass in the rear of the car may cause the flipping once the car started pointing upwards at a sufficient angle? I'll have a go there and see what's what. At the moment I've not got further than tweaking wing angle, as I've only run the first three tracks in the season, two of them are brand new to me, and Brazil was always a track I could never do well in with GP 1 & 2. Ken -- #include <disclaim>

Hehe, sounds fun If you remember in 93 at the end of the Italian GP one of the cars (was it Christian Fittipaldi)rode up the car in front (Comas?????) and completley back flipped and basically slid across the line - I believe he was credited with his place Also Brundle did a half back flip in Melbourne last year I'm afraid I haven't found too much time to play the game yet, but from what I have seen - I like it - except I wish the steering was a tad more sensitive (when using wheel - although I still have to play with the settings) Anyway - please correct above statement if wrong cya AndyH

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> Running Argentina last night (now that's a ***track if ever I've > raced one - I couldn't even get the one decent 5th gear bend right) > and coming out of that very corner, I ran into the back of someone and > my car back flipped! At least I think it was a back flip - I just > clipped the car and saw blue sky for a couple of seconds. I landed on > the air box, and with one of the rear wheels touching the tarmac, the > car slowly pirouetted around. > I'd like to know how hitting someone from behind can make a car flip - > I can't think of any was that could happen in real life. > I'd have put a replay of it on the web but I've been running with > replays disabled.

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> even get the one decent 5th gear bend right) > and coming out of that very corner, I ran into the back of someone and > my car back flipped! At least I think it was a back flip - I just > clipped the car and saw blue sky for a couple of seconds. I landed on > the air box, and with one of the rear wheels touching the tarmac, the > car slowly pirouetted around. > I can't think of any was that could happen in real life.

I can't remember who it was but I recall someone running up the rear of another car on the front straight and doing a full 360 degree flip

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> I'd have put a replay of it on the web but I've been running with > replays disabled. > Oh, and why is no-one talking about F1RS, swapping setups, and so on? > Are we all too busy playing? > Ken > -- > #include <disclaim>

Fittipaldi hit a rear wheel with one of his front wheels at a very high speed (it was the front straight at Monza...), his car caught air and did a full flip before landing on its wheels. He was definitely lucky on that one. Gilles Villeneuve wasn't so lucky on a similar accident (again, wheel to wheel contact). So, yes, it's possible to flip after hitting the car in front, but you must hit one of the rear wheels of the car preceding you. ======================================================================== Folco Banfi -- Universite de Fribourg -- Institut d'Informatique Chemin du Musee 3 - 1700 Fribourg - Switzerland - Tel. +41.26.300.84.79 ======================================================================== Internet Grand National Winter Heat ------------- #17 Band-Aid Chevrolet Results at http://www-iiuf.unifr.ch/~banfi/PrinceSite/Prince_main.html

: : I'd like to know how hitting someone from behind can make a car flip - : I can't think of any was that could happen in real life. : Like the other response indicated (Patrese and Berger) if you hit the back wheel of the car ahead of you with the front of yours, up you go! Think of the direction that the two wheels are turning relative to each other. The net friction force acts vertically upwards on your front wheel. For a more dramatic example, try to find the MPEG of C. Fitipaldi running his Minardi into the back of teammate Farbazza's car just before the finish of the '93 Italian GP. Up and OVER he went. A hairy 360 degree back flip, landing right side up on the track, minus one wheel I think, and then sliding across the S/F line to be officially classified. See also Katayama barrel rolling over the top of Lamy in Portgal (?) 1994, or Brundle taking a flyer over Coulthard in Melbourne, 1996. This is one thing I enjoyed about GP2. I nearly jumped out of my skin the first time it happened to me. Sounds like F1RS does it even better, but without the opportunity to add 3dfx to mypentium notebook, I will never know :( Be careful out there... Stephen

On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:09:54 +0100, "Magnus S?nnergren" >Ive actually seen that happen once with Riccardo Patrese hitting Bergers >car from behind he got airborn and did an back flipp, pretty scary if you >asked me. Luckily he didn't quite flip and came down on the wheels. Also Christian Fittipladi managed to do the same trying to pass his teammate (!) in a sprint for the line in the last lap at Monza same year. Thankfully I don't think a F1 car has actually flipped in such a manner for many years. It could happen though :( I know that crashes can seem great when driving a sim, but it is worth remembering just what happens in real life. In October of this year, Takashi Yokoyama was killed in a Japenese F3 race when he hit the rear wheel of the car in front. His car was launched into the air and hit an overhead gantry, over 5 metres above the track. The force of the impact was so great that debris was found 500m from the scene. Don't forget. Cheers, Richard

De Cesaris did that once in a Ligier, was very scared back then.. Gilles Villeneuve had the same, he was less lucky to get scared RIP Gilles Eric

This page has an avi of the incident. [link lost in import]

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> Hehe, sounds fun > If you remember in 93 at the end of the Italian GP one of the cars > (was > it Christian Fittipaldi)rode up the car in front (Comas?????) and > completley back flipped and basically slid across the line - I believe > he > was credited with his place > Also Brundle did a half back flip in Melbourne last year > I'm afraid I haven't found too much time to play the game yet, but > from > what I have seen - I like it - except I wish the steering was a tad > more > sensitive (when using wheel - although I still have to play with the > settings) > Anyway - please correct above statement if wrong > cya AndyH > > Running Argentina last night (now that's a ***track if ever I've > > raced one - I couldn't even get the one decent 5th gear bend right) > > and coming out of that very corner, I ran into the back of someone > and > > my car back flipped! At least I think it was a back flip - I just > > clipped the car and saw blue sky for a couple of seconds. I landed > on > > the air box, and with one of the rear wheels touching the tarmac, > the > > car slowly pirouetted around. > > I'd like to know how hitting someone from behind can make a car flip > - > > I can't think of any was that could happen in real life. > > I'd have put a replay of it on the web but I've been running with > > replays disabled.

-- Thank you Marc Johnson

But in GP-2, you land NOSE-down. Now THAT is unrealistic. And you don't need to hit a rearwheel to get a flip. I can flip my car by running into the barrier on the length-axis or make a head roll, no problem. Also, doesn't anyone remember Damon Hill in 1994 on Estoril during training or qualifying? Irvine had spun and was rolling slowly back onto the track, Hill couldn't avoid him and flipped over. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flush The Seatbelt! Ekul in Sraw Rats ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sticks and stones CAN break my bones! Anonymous Stormtrooper on Endor. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1/35 Panther Ausf. F under construction ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.herbert.demon.nl http://www.macross.org/trooper -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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>>Ive actually seen that happen once with Riccardo Patrese hitting Bergers >>car from behind he got airborn and did an back flipp, pretty scary if you >>asked me. >Oh yes, I remember an incident like that - wasn't it at Estoril and >when Berger braked to pit, Patrese (thought it was someone else?) >flipped and landed on the pit wall.

It was_definitely_ Patrese in the Williams, and he just _missed_ the pit wall. It went almost unnoticed, but it could have been one of the most serious accidents in F1... Just imagine that he landed on the wrong side of the pit wall..... Makes me recall Michael Andretti's accident at Interlagos (1993?): a 250+ km/h crash into the tirewalls at the end of the main straight. Another one of those accidents that don't get the attention they deserve. JoH Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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>> even get the one decent 5th gear bend right) >> and coming out of that very corner, I ran into the back of someone and >> my car back flipped! At least I think it was a back flip - I just >> clipped the car and saw blue sky for a couple of seconds. I landed on >> the air box, and with one of the rear wheels touching the tarmac, the >> car slowly pirouetted around. >> I can't think of any was that could happen in real life. >I can't remember who it was but I recall someone running up the rear of >another car on the front straight and doing a full 360 degree flip

Christian Fittipaldi in a Minardi. Actually, it is even more amazing: he FINISHED THE RACE upside down!!! It was on the last lap and he crossed the line at the moment of the 360! There must be an avi of this event somewhere on the net. I remember seeing it announced in the F1-group. JoH Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

DO you mean a 360 roll-over? Which game are you playing??? JoH Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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> >I can't remember who it was but I recall someone running up the rear of > >another car on the front straight and doing a full 360 degree flip > Christian Fittipaldi in a Minardi. Actually, it is even more amazing: he > FINISHED THE RACE upside down!!! It was on the last lap and he crossed the line > at the moment of the 360! There must be an avi of this event somewhere on the > net. I remember seeing it announced in the F1-group.

Close but no cigarette... the place was Monza, and the flip occurred at the beginning of the main straight. The finish line is roughly halfway the main straight, and by the time he crossed it he no longer was in the air. He did, however, finish the race with unusually small number of wheels still in place (he had only two wheels left after the flip, if memory serves, as his car slid to a standstill just past the finish line). terv: Risto L. -- Risto Lankinen | THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN MODIFIED FROM ITS | Sr Technical Staff | ORIGINAL FORMAT. IT HAS BEEN FITTED TO | ORACLE Corporation | THIS WINDOW AND EDITED FOR CONTENT. | import std.disclaimer.*;

In Monza, go into the pitstop at full speed but miss it so you hit the wall (?) on the left of the pit. Instant flip.

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>> even get the one decent 5th gear bend right) >> and coming out of that very corner, I ran into the back of someone and >> my car back flipped! At least I think it was a back flip - I just >> clipped the car and saw blue sky for a couple of seconds. I landed on >> the air box, and with one of the rear wheels touching the tarmac, the >> car slowly pirouetted around. >> I can't think of any was that could happen in real life. >I can't remember who it was but I recall someone running up the rear of >another car on the front straight and doing a full 360 degree flip >> I'd have put a replay of it on the web but I've been running with >> replays disabled. >> Oh, and why is no-one talking about F1RS, swapping setups, and so on? >> Are we all too busy playing? >> Ken >> -- >> #include <disclaim>

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>Hi! >> Christian Fittipaldi in a Minardi. Actually, it is even more amazing: he >> FINISHED THE RACE upside down!!! It was on the last lap and he crossed the line >> at the moment of the 360! There must be an avi of this event somewhere on the >> net. I remember seeing it announced in the F1-group. >Close but no cigarette... the place was Monza, and the flip occurred at >the >beginning of the main straight. The finish line is roughly halfway the >main >straight, and by the time he crossed it he no longer was in the air. >He did, however, finish the race with unusually small number of wheels >still >in place (he had only two wheels left after the flip, if memory serves, >as >his car slid to a standstill just past the finish line).

Naaa... Nobody's going to complain about THAT little bit of added drama. The story becomes so much better when you let him cross the finishline upsiode down :-) JoH Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Sorry, I had the impression that you claimed rolling a car in GP2.... Sounds great that you CAN do it in F1RS!! JoH Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= When everything else failed, we can still become im- mortal by making an enormous blunder.... John Kenneth Galbraith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Yes, but I have proof to ruin your little story. Try http://homepages.munich.netsurf.de/Thomas.Frank/gp2/gp2.html

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> >Hi! > >> Christian Fittipaldi in a Minardi. Actually, it is even more > amazing: he > >> FINISHED THE RACE upside down!!! It was on the last lap and he > crossed the line > >> at the moment of the 360! There must be an avi of this event > somewhere on the > >> net. I remember seeing it announced in the F1-group. > >Close but no cigarette... the place was Monza, and the flip occurred > at > >the > >beginning of the main straight. The finish line is roughly halfway > the > >main > >straight, and by the time he crossed it he no longer was in the air. > >He did, however, finish the race with unusually small number of > wheels > >still > >in place (he had only two wheels left after the flip, if memory > serves, > >as > >his car slid to a standstill just past the finish line). > Naaa... Nobody's going to complain about THAT little bit of added > drama. The > story becomes so much better when you let him cross the finishline > upsiode down > :-) > JoH > Please remove *anti-spam* from the email when replying. > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > When everything else failed, we can still become im- > mortal by making an enormous blunder.... > John Kenneth Galbraith > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

-- Thank you Marc Johnson

> ... > Close but no cigarette... the place was Monza, and the flip occurred at > the beginning of the main straight. The finish line is roughly halfway the > main straight, and by the time he crossed it he no longer was in the air. > He did, however, finish the race with unusually small number of wheels > still in place (he had only two wheels left after the flip, if memory serves, > as his car slid to a standstill just past the finish line). A F1 weight must be more than 595 Kilos when finishes the race, was Fittipaldi disqualified ? :) .Kafre CientoKince Drove Here.