Another Classic Ymenard Screwup....

Quote 1 (11/18/96) >BUT WHY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANNY TIMES I WILL SAY IT TO ALL >YOU. I'M 16 AND TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY. Quote 1 (Around 6/97) > Since my "30 posts per day" week and now I've taking the place of >Eric T. Busch. It's not REALLY leading the r.a.s. but I have now full >control of threads and posts. I will now let this place to Micheal E. >Carver for a period of 1month 'cause it's final exams time (I'm in CEGEP, >Quebec's Collegial) 19years old and enough for NROS. The kid doesn't even know how old he his, unless in his world you age 3 years every 7 months... -- Eric T. Busch http://ebusch.akorn.net

Jeez...are we goin to have to go thru this whole ymenarse thing again? Surely he must realise that he is wasting bandwidth...perhaps he should get out a bit more...you know....meet some girls etc:)

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>Quote 1 (11/18/96) >>BUT WHY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANNY TIMES I WILL SAY IT TO ALL >>YOU. I'M 16 AND TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY. >Quote 1 (Around 6/97) >> Since my "30 posts per day" week and now I've taking the place of >>Eric T. Busch. It's not REALLY leading the r.a.s. but I have now full >>control of threads and posts. I will now let this place to Micheal E. >>Carver for a period of 1month 'cause it's final exams time (I'm in >CEGEP, >>Quebec's Collegial) 19years old and enough for NROS. >The kid doesn't even know how old he his, unless in his world you age 3 >years every 7 months... >-- >Eric T. Busch >http://ebusch.akorn.net

If the average man in Canada lives to be 72 years old and ymenard is 19, by my rough calculations he has about 10.9 years left! :) Later, John

Well he did work at NASA, or something. Perhaps they performed experiments on him. Happy Happy Happy ones. -- Jason L'Hirondelle Remove x to reply. > Quote 1 (11/18/96) > >BUT WHY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANNY TIMES I WILL SAY IT TO ALL > >YOU. I'M 16 AND TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY. > Quote 1 (Around 6/97) > > Since my "30 posts per day" week and now I've taking the place of > >Eric T. Busch. It's not REALLY leading the r.a.s. but I have now full > >control of threads and posts. I will now let this place to Micheal E. > >Carver for a period of 1month 'cause it's final exams time (I'm in > CEGEP, > >Quebec's Collegial) 19years old and enough for NROS. > The kid doesn't even know how old he his, unless in his world you age 3 > years every 7 months... > -- > Eric T. Busch > http://ebusch.akorn.net

Also, have you ever noticed how ymenard's posts are often times seemingly written by a 14yrd old, with all the language confusion from someone living in a different-speaking country, to coherent, well-thought out posts (seen this on the ten-based NROS board)? Seems to me like either out little candian friend is schitzo or is actually a couple people.....

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>Quote 1 (11/18/96) >>BUT WHY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANNY TIMES I WILL SAY IT TO ALL >>YOU. I'M 16 AND TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY. >Quote 1 (Around 6/97) >> Since my "30 posts per day" week and now I've taking the place of >>Eric T. Busch. It's not REALLY leading the r.a.s. but I have now full >>control of threads and posts. I will now let this place to Micheal E. >>Carver for a period of 1month 'cause it's final exams time (I'm in >CEGEP, >>Quebec's Collegial) 19years old and enough for NROS. >The kid doesn't even know how old he his, unless in his world you age 3 >years every 7 months...

I don't suppose you're familiar with cut-n-paste? well-thought out posts (seen this on the ten-based Marc

he had enough fun wrecking the whole field at Dega already

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>Jeez...are we goin to have to go thru this whole ymenarse thing again? >Surely he must realise that he is wasting bandwidth...perhaps he >should get out a bit more...you know....meet some girls etc:) >>Quote 1 (11/18/96) >>>BUT WHY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANNY TIMES I WILL SAY IT TO ALL >>>YOU. I'M 16 AND TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY. >>Quote 1 (Around 6/97) >>> Since my "30 posts per day" week and now I've taking the place of >>>Eric T. Busch. It's not REALLY leading the r.a.s. but I have now full >>>control of threads and posts. I will now let this place to Micheal E. >>>Carver for a period of 1month 'cause it's final exams time (I'm in >>CEGEP, >>>Quebec's Collegial) 19years old and enough for NROS. >>The kid doesn't even know how old he his, unless in his world you age 3 >>years every 7 months... >>-- >>Eric T. Busch >>http://ebusch.akorn.net

>Also, have you ever noticed how ymenard's posts are often times seemingly >written by a 14yrd old, with all the language confusion from someone living in >a different-speaking country, to coherent, well-thought out posts (seen this >on the ten-based NROS board)? Seems to me like either out little candian >friend is schitzo or is actually a couple people..... Well... you see the point very well Ken. On the NROS newsgroup, webboards and also on TEN, I am "myself". I am helping people, putting interesting remarks, making funny jokes and having PLENTY of friends. But here on r.a.s. I am not myself, I am the strange psycho guy, who helps people but also do some immature and provocative remarks. I have to admit it. Even if most of my things on r.a.s. were related to my school, I went too far. <Normal r.a.s. citizen> Whoaaa ? ymenard who say that he went too far !! Am I dreaming or not ?? </normal r.a.s. citizen> Well, no. I did some stupid things and like everytime, I am sorry. I will stop after tonigh to be a radical moron, and do like everywhere else than on r.a.s., witch is helping people having a better experience out of their simracing titles. Like you maybe read before, I am making a trip out to Cape Canaveral for 3weeks. This will calm myself and when I will return I will be transformed. I do this for myself, my friends and especially for all of you. Yes I will change for all of you, r.a.s. citizens. I dont like having ennemies, so let me a chance for me. I will be gone from December27th to January 15th (or 16th depending of my new PC who comes that day also). I will not post anymore on r.a.s. from December 15th to January 15th. I will lurk. I will only post to reply some of the funny posts of LeChicken (btw who are you really ?? I know you are making a satire of myself here, like if I didnt understand that) or if people reply to me on this post. I am opened to everybody that would like to help me (if there is anyone here that doesnt have me on his kill file). So I will get 1month out of r.a.s. I took this decision, but some things helped me. Some people e-mailed me to "help me" out of this. They told me to get out of here 1month. I agreed. Also, I re-read all my posts that I wrote since 6-7months, and after reading them I decided that it was enough of my "psycho-guy of r.a.s.". I want to be myself. The real me. The guy who helps people. Not the stupid moron of r.a.s. <Normal r.a.s. citizen> Whoaaa.... In a certain way I have to agree with him. Lets let him a chance and hope he will return here on r.a.s. to help people ONLY, not to make the moron. </normal r.a.s. citizen> Well, I hope you understand. I passed some difficult real-life moment, like the death of a close friend, the seperation of my parents and some problems with my friends also (I dont have a life). At first, I did those things for my school. But that stopped a long time ago. After I though it was cool so I decided to continue presonnating the "fake myself". I was acting but it went far too big. If you ever see the movie called Johnny Hollywood (with JoePesci) you will understand. I developped an entire character with good and bad things (well... only bad things). Shame to myself and <g> to myself. It's my fault and I assume it entirely. I trust I will change. I did too much bad to myself to continue acting the fake myself. It was time for me to change, I was dissing myself to big. Heck It is the real me who is talking so just let me 1chance. Not anymore. Fran?ois Mnard ymenard on NROS Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/

(ymenard tossed this gem our way) a radical moron (and then continued ranting) "A radical moron"?!!!! Just which French-English dictionary are you using?!!! -- Bruce (at work) "An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought." (Simon Cameron)

The one he wrote, of course!! ;) Cheers! Marc

<normal r.a.s. citizen> Shit, I'm sure I kill-filed this guy's ass....ah, only at home. Hold on one second....there, much better..... </normal r.a.s. citizen> Going on experience so far that seems to be a bit like me saying I'm going to stop being Scottish or Dean saying that CPR was released too early, but we live in hope. Seriously though, I'll see you in a month - my kill file entry is set to expire on Jan 16th.... Cheers! John

Oh! Of course....I should have thought of that!! :-) Thanks for clearing it up, Marc! -- Bruce. (At home)

You could never be a normal r.a.s. citizen! -- Dave Bowers

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> >Just which French-English dictionary are you using?!!! > The one he wrote, of course!! ;) > Cheers! > Marc

No no, the french "canadian" dictionary. Very distinct, and don't you forget that!

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> >> >Just which French-English dictionary are you using?!!! > >> The one he wrote, of course!! ;) > >> Cheers! > >> Marc > >No no, the french "canadian" dictionary. Very distinct, and don't you > >forget that! > Now that one's funny (although your other post wasn't)! One good > post, one bad, you're not yet in my killfile. Hope you can be as > entertaining in future posts as you've been with this one. > A. Renault

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset some of you people, just the arrogant, pompus individuals from your province. Like the nard (or however you spell it). I did not write that to "gain attention", I just had a spur of the moment beef. I know this isn't the right NG to discus this but, what makes you distinct from everybody else in Canada? Because you only have "french signs and language" only? While the rest of Canada has to spend millions for bilingual language in everything to cater to you? I hardly see any english signs or language on anything in Que. Where is YOUR bilingulism? Try to get lost in Que and see if anyone will speak the "lower" english language to you to help you out. So you want to separate? Good, go for it (again), but stop wasting our time and resources. I judge people by their common sense and not their politics. I don't care where your from, just don't come across saying you should be entitled something your not. You are the same people as me. And I'm not hiding. You ever hear of SPAM? You want my real e-mail? Just ask here in the NG and I'll send it to ya privately. Merry xmas

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>> >Just which French-English dictionary are you using?!!! >> The one he wrote, of course!! ;) >> Cheers! >> Marc >No no, the french "canadian" dictionary. Very distinct, and don't you >forget that!

Now that one's funny (although your other post wasn't)! One good post, one bad, you're not yet in my killfile. Hope you can be as entertaining in future posts as you've been with this one. A. Renault

I appreciate you thinking that at least one of my posts was funny, but I assure you I didn't write the above statements. Cheers! Marc J. Nelson

I know Marc, I was replying to Kel. I should have taken your name out to avoid any confusion... Sorry! A. Renault

I'm confused... Does that include me? Could happen to anyone... That's a good question. Did you ever visit Quebec? I don't mean by that visiting relatives in an anglophone part of Quebec, but have you ever really lived amongst quebeckers for a few days? You'd realize they are indeed different from people in other parts of Canada. And I'm not speaking about language issues here. It's really hard to point out every aspect of what distinguishes us from the rest of Canada, but I'll resume the "feel" I get when we're discussing such issues here: Anglophone canadians are living (more or less)"the american way", and we are living a little more like europeans. That may not be what you feel, but it's the opinion of many of us. That's one of the reasons we feel threatened while we're inside this beautiful country of yours. You're always acting like you're diong us a big favor when you're doing something to help preserve the french culture in america. You should take pride in it, not bashing at us as the sole reason you're doing it. Being a multicultural country is a huge advantage you have and yet you don't seem to realize. This can't go unanswered. Do you realize that probably more than 75% of the people here speak english? Maybe not as good as you do but we see so much english TV, hear so much english music, not to mention the internet wich is 99.9% anglophone content, and we also have mandatory english courses beginning in uh... 3rd grade I think and lasts until we graduate from high school, how could we not speak or at least understand english... You wanna do business? Need to speak english, at least if you want to export... A lot of our universities and hospitals are anglophone, and all services here are available in french or english... Can you really say you're doing the same efforts? Well, I'll agree we don't really have the choice so we cannot take credit for doing it, but anyways, I don't see how getting lost in Quebec could be any harder for an anglophone than for a francophone anywhere in canada... I'm not sure but I think you've misjudged this one... BTW, do you speak french? See my point... Of course there will always be an emotionnal part in this debate. We strongly feel we're not really part of Canada, and that might have to do with the canadian constitution being imposed on us without our consent, but I really think there are some separatists that do have valid points. Are you saying we're all a bunch of uneducated fools who have nothing else to do than criticize erverything we can? I presume you're not really assuming that. The bigger problem is misinformation that is carried in a large part by politicians, on both sides. I don't think you should agree with me, I know you'll never do. But at least you have to recognize that we'reno more stupid than you are, and we all want what's best for our families and friends. Yes but we're not asking for anything! We just want to have enough power to protect our language and culture. You don't have the slightest idea how hard it is to keep those alive when you're surrounded by hundreds of millions of anglophones with a strong culture, wich has assimilated many other cultures in america... I know about spam, I'm not putting my real e-mail too... Shame on me! Sorry for that one, but "I just had a spur of the moment beef", sounds familiar? Eheh... ;o) A. Renault

>That's one of the reasons we feel threatened while we're inside this >beautiful country of yours. You're always acting like you're diong us >a big favor when you're doing something to help preserve the french >culture in america. You should take pride in it, not bashing at us as >the sole reason you're doing it. Being a multicultural country is a >huge advantage you have and yet you don't seem to realize. The problem is that the anglophones do not see where is the advantage for them and, in short, there is none. We have a similar situation here in Scotland with Gaelic language, which is spoken by an ever decreasing number of people, primarily in the remote NW regions. This is now becoming a burden on the economy to a certain extent, because the language doesn't actually benefit the country at all, is supported for a small percentage of the people for reasons of history and nationalism, but is paid for by the populous as a whole. Personally I do not want to pay higher taxes so that a very small percentage of people can go to special schools and be educated in a language that benefits neither them nor the country as a whole. In a democracy I have to respect their right to desire such an education, but for the same reason they also have to respect that if the majority do not want to pay for it then they cannot demand it. I'm not too au fait with the situation in Canada, other than that the Quebecois are "different" from the rest of Canada in outlook, national feeling, or whatever. Certainly as it pertains to Scotland I see little value in it, but it's rather difficult to put common sense in front of political correctness and challenge anyone who has siezed the m***high ground of "protecting nationanl heritage". Not all heritage is worthy of protection. If people really want to learn another language and benefit the country into the bargain, they'd be far better off learning German, French or Japanese - even if they never left the country (as is the case with Gaelic), the tourists would be a lot happier :) Cheers! John

> don't remember our rank exactly but I remember that french sits > amongst the most spoken languages like english, chinese, spanish, > japanese, german and maybe I'm forgetting some... Anyway the more of > these you can understand and/or speak then the more economical power > you have (assuming you have a quality product to offer). So what quality product does french language have to offer? Other than tourism. Have you even researched how much it costs the rest of Canada to simply put "french" on every label on everything we buy, and french on all signs? Yet in Que. I see mostly french only signs and lables and no english. I respect your culture and language, but to demand the rest of us should (by law) have french and english on almost everything we buy or look at is hipocritical, when Que. doesn't follow suit. This costs us taxpayers a whole bunch.

>The problem is that the anglophones do not see where is the advantage >for them and, in short, there is none. I'm not sure what you mean... Are you saying they are right when they say there is no advantage? Our situation is different, as French is a language spoken by a large part of the earth's population... Many european, south-american and african countries have french as one of their official languages. I don't remember our rank exactly but I remember that french sits amongst the most spoken languages like english, chinese, spanish, japanese, german and maybe I'm forgetting some... Anyway the more of these you can understand and/or speak then the more economical power you have (assuming you have a quality product to offer). We're not asking anyone to pay for us, we're just asking them to give us the power to protect our language and culture. That can be done many ways, but it has to be discussed. How can we discuss on the basis of facts that aren't aknowledged by one of the parties? You're gonna have to work hard if you want quebeckers to agree with that... Here culture is everything, and maybe you think it's not worth it but we don't, and that's what matters... French... You said it... We do speak english and french here, tha could be considered a good think in your book? I'm not sure I understand 100% of what you're saying, heck I don't even know if you're on my side... I think I need to rest... ;o) A. Renault

You know what would REALLY make some people happy? If you took this highly interesting but completely off-topic exchange of social commentary into private email or an appropriate newsgroup (being of Scots ancestry myself, I know of several such NGs on the net). Bart Brown

>I'm not sure what you mean... Are you saying they are right when they >say there is no advantage? Yes. The English speaking people think there is no advantage for them in paying for the continuation of Gaelic, and I suspect the situation is the same in Canada with respect to French language. Doesn't matter IMO. If I want my child to speak Spanish then I myself have to pay for special lessons - I can't expect the rest of the population of the UK to help out. Why should they, the vast majority do not benefit. So too with French in Canada - if a minority are keeping alive a language that gives little or no benefit to the nation, and in fact increases costs and hinders relations and trade between French and English speaking areas, it's difficult to make a case for the majority to pay for that. And assuming that you have or have a target to have a sizable trade with countries speaking that language. I'd guess the majority of Canada's trade is with Japan and USA, so perhaps Japanese would be a better option? How does that protection come about? Through increased teaching, increased use of French language media or whatever. Whichever way is applied it costs money, and that money comes from the government through taxation so everyone pays for it - including the English speaking majority who don't want it. Unless you introduce a special "French tax" to finance this (which in itself would cause howls of protest in any democratic society) then it has to be seen as unfair. Now you're not being democratic. What matters is not what the Quebecois want, but what the majority of Canadians wants. It's their money that will pay for it. No. It's good in Europe because the French and Germans are our neighbours and we have a lot of trade with them. Here all children are taught English as a first language, and French and/or German as a second language. Teaching French or German as a primary language would be wrong, and that is, as far as I understand, how it is done in Quebec. It's a bit like Scotland deciding to teach Chinese in our schools. We would be able to talk to each other fine, but it would cause problems for our neighbours and really be of little use to us in everyday life. I'm not on any side. I can see both sides equally through the similar situation we have in Scotland, and the only "side" I am against is anyone that cannot take into account the views of the person they are arguing with. Cheers! John

>Now you're not being democratic. What matters is not what the >Quebecois want, but what the majority of Canadians wants. It's their >money that will pay for it. I really don't agree on that particular aspect. But I can understand your opinion; you probably don't see us as two peoples living together, so then it's obvious that the voice of the majority rules. I realize that I am biased, mostly because I believe that we (the french canadians) are a people and what matters is what the majority of my people thinks. It can be argued that we've stopped being a people when we were defeated by the english armies, but of course that's not the way I see it. Anyway no one's gonna have to pay for us if (in time) we get our own country. You have to realize that language is a provincial jurisdiction, and in terms of taxes we quebeckers pay more than anyone in any other province. Part of that money is used to promote our culture, but that's our right. When we elect a government in Quebec, that's democracy. And when that _elected_ government uses our money to promote french, that's also democracy. The canadian government doesn't spend that much money on promoting french, the only reason they do is because they've signed an agreement with our people stating that all public services would always be available in both our official languages, and they have to live with that. As for francophones living outside Quebec, I cannot realisticly say that they have the right to ask for french schools or whatever they want, because they've decided to live in provinces that are 99% anglophone and they have to adapt. If someday I wanna live in Japan, then I'll learn japanese. But here in Quebec people massively speak french. Millions of us do. We don't feel like we're "a minority" like you state in your post, because we speak the language of the majority _inside Quebec_. You could again argue that it doesn't matter if you're a majority inside a minority group, but then it all gets back to the fact that in our opinion the population of Quebec are a people, distinct from the people of Canada. I'm not asking you to recognize that, but I just want you to know our side of things. Maybe if my english was a bit better I'd be a little more convincing... Anyway, thanks for keeping an open mind! Sorry for those who think this is off-topic. Of course it is, but hey! We are entitled to some extras since our boy is formula one's world champion! (wether you like it or not!) A. Renault

John..... Merry Christmas over there!!!!; ) Don't get hung over.. hehe.. ; ) take care Julian Data ------------------------------------------------------------------ Hungry for NEWSGROUPS??? USE feedME.ORG Read and Post to 30,000 groups through feedME.ORG FREE FREE FREE http://www.feedME.ORG FREE FREE FREE ------------------------------------------------------------------