CART:PR Ready for Prime Time?

In response to those who are critical of Microsoft for releasing CART:PR before it was finished (like we have never heard of that before), and who think that Dean's participation in r.a.s. wasn't up to***(like all the companies have done better), I snip this from a reply post I sent earlier: More importantly, since the Microsoft CART reps. have diligently addressed our queries and concerns here on r.a.s., will Microsoft itself support those of us loyal customers who have already bought version 1.0? By that I mean if all the great new patches and track editors and so forth (which is more than CART:PR's competitors have ever provided) add up to a mammoth and inconvenient download, will Microsoft provide new (or exchange) CD's with the updated version? If they are willing to do that for the loyal early customers (in exchange for our valuable feedback to improve the game), then we should do nothing but congratulate them. They have demonstrated more willingness to listen and improve their product than any other sim. maker so far. Support the loyalists as much as the later buyers and I will be happy. Happy to have a better improved product and happy that finally there is a company making a driving sim. that understands what we want. I wonder if Sierra/Papyrus, EA, Ubisoft, Eidos, and the rest of the laggards are paying any attention? If the patched CART:PR is as improved as we anticipate, combined with the track editor and other goodies, the other sims. will be long forgotten while people still enjoy the "Quake" of driving games. By the way, stop bleating about Microsoft and capitalism. They are less capitalistic and myopically American than 95% of the large U.S. corporations in existence. **************************************************************************** Marc Collins "Change is inevitable...except from a vending machine." ****************************************************************************

>In response to those who are critical of Microsoft for releasing CART:PR >before it was finished (like we have never heard of that before), and who >think that Dean's participation in r.a.s. wasn't up to***(like all the >companies have done better) Can you tell me who we flamed sooo much that they went away ?? I have 2names here. Micro$oft and Adam Levesque. But Adam's case wasn't for the same thing. It was (I am getting wayyyy into my brain/AFAIK) because of the illegal posting of tracks on the Internet (Stupid morons who put illegal tracks on their websites) Nevery tryed SODA Off-road's track editor ?? f you want to consider your point as "from an experienced simracer" you HAVE to have this product. Fact. SODA is presently the most realistic simracing title on the market. Yes, 100% true. I am happy to live in America, but still I am in the "Europeen" part of America (Quebec). Fran?ois Mnard, Creator, rec.autos.simulators With great respect, May the downforce be with you, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) ymenard on NROS, sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ SimRacing director, AWPSS - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

Thanks for the balanced post. Y'know, I think there's been a ton of aburd posturing by others on this board, and it drives me nuts. CPR got released with tons of good features, and has worked and installed on most systems. It also has horrible AI, no yellow flags, and some other substantial bugs. It got released before it was as finished as we'd like. The company claims that it is working on these issues. We'll see how they do. This isn't exactly unusual in the software industry today. Also, the makers have responded better than average in the industry to complaints to date. Let's neither sanctify or demonize CPR's makers. Both are unfair.

It was (I am getting wayyyy into my brain/AFAIK) because of the Hahah, you just called yourself a stupid moron.. But maybe you don't think you are because you just gave away INDIANAPOLIS through e-mail, AFAIK.. -- Dave Otterness

> Can you tell me who we flamed sooo much that they went away ?? I have 2names > here. Micro$oft and Adam Levesque. But Adam's case wasn't for the same > thing. It was (I am getting wayyyy into my brain/AFAIK) because of the > illegal posting of tracks on the Internet (Stupid morons who put illegal > tracks on their websites) What were you getting way into your brain...a pencil? What about stupid moron self appointed leaders of a USENET group who emailed people an illegal copy of a copywritten track? -- Neil Yeatman Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

Hmm... you mean kinda like what you did? Don't be such a hypocrite... -- Eric T. Busch http://ebusch.akorn.net >It was (I am getting wayyyy into my brain/AFAIK) because of the >illegal posting of tracks on the Internet (Stupid morons who put illegal >tracks on their websites)

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> It was (I am getting wayyyy into my brain/AFAIK) because of the >> illegal posting of tracks on the Internet (Stupid morons who put illegal >> tracks on their websites) >Hahah, you just called yourself a stupid moron.. But maybe you don't >think you are because you just gave away INDIANAPOLIS through e-mail, >AFAIK..

Ok <g> you want the answer well here it is.... I send the indianapolis track just to make some shit at Papyrus at this time, I was frustrated and I wanted some action in the newsgroup (like always, and I am VERY enjoying people makijng fun of me). YES I GAVE IT PER E-MAIL. YOU WANT THE DAMN ANSWER, YOU GOT IT. so ? you will kill me ? Now I have changed since 2 years, and I am anti-piracy. I`m like a AA that makes conference on not drinking at excess. Fran?ois Mnard, Creator, rec.autos.simulators With great respect, May the downforce be with you, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) ymenard on NROS, sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ SimRacing director, AWPSS - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

>What were you getting way into your brain...a pencil? What about stupid >moron self appointed leaders of a USENET group who emailed people an >illegal copy of a copywritten track? here is it another time. YES I E-MAILED THE TRACK TO PEOPLE AND IT WAS ILLEGAL. If that`s whats you want, well you have the answer. But I changed since 2years. Fran?ois Mnard, Creator, rec.autos.simulators With great respect, May the downforce be with you, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) ymenard on NROS, sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ SimRacing director, AWPSS - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

>Hmm... you mean kinda like what you did? Don't be such a hypocrite... Heck Eric lets clarify some things. First of all.... I am studying at College in psychology, and I have some future plans about being a psychologist. I am ego-centric yes I am really. I AM EGO-CENTRIC <everybody says> Wow ymenard that disses himself </everybody says> I don`t care about what people reply to me. I laugh at them real hard, I read them another time, I check and visualise the psychologic state of the post, putting notes on a sheet of paper, transcribbing it to my real book, and continuing my theasis. Yes my theasis. In what ?? Well.... Pc-related human relations in the real and virtual world. Yes. That`s a thing that nobody knows. I have fun of starting threads like this, I laugh at them I have a big smile when people flame me. The more they are, the more my theasis is good and the more I am happy. Call me the most ego-centric person on the Usenet, go ahead. Since 4years (with a 1years pause) I made intentionnal ego-centirc postings and had fun of everybody here. Micheal/Eric/newbies/rookie/veterans/etc.. Everybody. Do you remember the Indytrack posting ? The top15simracer list? the big signature file (35lines) ? The "Dave Noonan sucks" ? The God of r.a.s ? The moderation of r.a.s ? etc... (I have a list of over 40ones, and at other places, like also StarWars webboard and chat sessions). Wow now you unvealed the truth. It`s a *** theory that I did all by myself. Prett kewl hey ! So now what will you all say ? that I a really an new-born hitler. That I am more Ego-centric that you though. That I am the worst moron in the history of the Usenet. lol go ahead. I will read it, laugh at it, show it to my firends at school, take notes, and have a plainfull of fun. I enjoy getting flammed, and Ieach time everybody flame me, my smile gets bigger. and bigger and bigger... I did this for the benefit of my theasis. I dont care about what will happend to me after this post. People will get very mad at me, flame me another time. The circle we go around another time. I consider most of you as stupid morons, but I don`t say it loud. I`m an avid simracer, since many many years, I own every simracing title on the market, enjoy them all. I help people with troubles, I did plenty of websites, I am presently working at www.awpss.com I have great relations with plenty of websites. I helped people with troubles on webboards. But on r.a.s. it`s a new "'ME". A new face of myself. The Ego-centric guy, who is leading (in a bad way) r.a.s. I made some errors on purpose, had some good and bad days. I made post that are really "dictaturial". The man witout feeling. The immature guy who dont care about anybody, that try to dominate the world. A Net.God Yes. A celebrity of the USENET. A superstar of r.a.s. The king of the kings. etc... Well, life goes on, and I am avid to check the flames I will receive after this (If I ever will). Same thing as I enjoyed Dean get flamed; and all those other people also. USENET is IMHO the most complicated part of the net, because you find here the elite of the net intelligence. You will always find a person that isnt approving your opinion. Always. Every body wants to be the right guy here. Everybody wants his opinion to be true and good. And tell me who is the ego-centrics here <g> The real myself is a shy (reason why I like to get publicity here), intellectual (geek), mature and intelligent person (I have one of the highest IQ of my College). I manipulated here everybody, some caught in the net, others not. Happy for those who not. Resume of all that. I like people paying attention to myself. I am not a crazy-boy. I am ego-centric yes by moment depending on the situation. I am having real fun here on r.a.s. and I am laughing at everybody who makes fun at me Fran?ois Mnard, Creator, rec.autos.simulators (maybe?maybe not? I take bets) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ With great respect, May the downforce be with you, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) ymenard on NROS, sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ SimRacing director, AWPSS - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

[cut] Of course .... you and Joel Putty! [cut] You're not the Creator ....you're a DESTROYER of RAS ! - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm German speaking) * -

Like the happyhappyhappy Indianapolis track? Who are you to call anyone a stupid moron? A bit late nw to get all self-righteous, wouldn't you say? Cheers! John

>ANSWER, YOU GOT IT. so ? you will kill me ? Now I have changed since 2 >years, and I am anti-piracy. So thta make you, like, 3 or 4 years old now? That would explain a lot. ;-) Joe

People can change if you dont belive that then i guess youve never read the Bible.

>here is it another time. YES I E-MAILED THE TRACK TO PEOPLE AND IT WAS >ILLEGAL. If that`s whats you want, well you have the answer. But I changed >since 2years. Well I think I have seen enough to impeach you as the self appointed leader of this NG. We certainly do not need scandals like this. You should add the most important feat you accomplished here in your sig: Fran?ois Mnard, Creator, rec.autos.simulators & illeagle emailer of the Indianapolis track addon. There I think that is much better. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

>But on r.a.s. it`s a new "'ME". A new face of myself. The Ego-centric guy, >who is leading (in a bad way) r.a.s. I made some errors on purpose, had And this from a guy who claimed to not say he was the leader here. After reading this, I believe in addition to study to be a shrink you need to see one. Wow. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

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> > Can you tell me who we flamed sooo much that they went away ?? I have 2names > > here. Micro$oft and Adam Levesque. But Adam's case wasn't for the same > > thing. It was (I am getting wayyyy into my brain/AFAIK) because of the > > illegal posting of tracks on the Internet (Stupid morons who put illegal > > tracks on their websites) > What were you getting way into your brain...a pencil? What about stupid > moron self appointed leaders of a USENET group who emailed people an > illegal copy of a copywritten track? > -- > Neil Yeatman > Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

Neal, well said, I belive when "the god of usenet" said way into his brain he meant about 2mm of the 3 he posseses, makes me feel sorry for the rest of you Canadians ;) Trev

You're ego-centric. Yes. We've noticed several months ago. Your thesis on how to be a self-centered pain-in-the-butt? Now I remember that I was looking for. "Hypocrite". You are also a very big "hypocrite". I've seen a lot of ego-centric people on USENET. I've seen a lot of trolls. I've also seen a lot of screw-ups/morons. You are number one at being all of them. There, is that good enough for your ego? Yeah, copy that in your dumb notes. In your dreams, pal. My neighbor's dog is more mature and intelligent than your are. Yeah, you have two problems. You can't stand it when people don't give you lots of attention, and your are a self-centered, hypocritical, idiot. Yeah, I know I probably fell for your bait (again). ..but I don't care whether you are studying at a college, whether you helped create r.a.s or not, what you or what you *think* you are, but this is the last message from you that I'll respond to. You don't belong in a college, studying psychology. You belong in a mental institute. When I get a reader that has killfiles, you'll have the honour of being the first one in that killfile. -- Please remove nospam from address when replying via e-mail.

Tim, Arent psychologists just psychos who havent been institutionalized yet ? If I were him, I would rethink my thesis. He should do a thesis on dillusions of self importance. Of course, he is FRENCH (canadian?) =) Maybe he can write about my quote on my AOL account: If Im a self satisfied narcissist, then im the best damn one there is!!! Im so good, Im my own hero!!! As far as people on RAS being stupid morons... I dont think he has the right to look down on people on this list just because he is in college studying psychology. As far as we know.. he is studying at the Sally Struthers Institute of Psychology. Myself as an example: I have a BS in Economics, a BBA in Finance, and have 8 courses left in my MBA. Does this mean Im above everyone in this newsgroup ??? Hardly. I think of myself as a pretty intelligent guy... but I hardly consider everyone else morons. (Dont worry... There ARE Morons on this list, just no everyone ;) ). In fact... I wouldnt be here if I didnt think I could LEARN something that I didnt already know. Im not here simply to contradict everything that is said..... and I doubt everyone else is. There are a few who evidently do not know what this list is about, but I think the majority do. Scott B. Husted http://home.ptd.net/~sbhusted

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> >Heck Eric lets clarify some things. First of all.... I am studying at > >College in psychology, and I have some future plans about being a > >psychologist. I am ego-centric yes I am really. I AM EGO-CENTRIC > You're ego-centric. Yes. We've noticed several months ago. > >I don`t care about what people reply to me. I laugh at them real hard, I > >read them another time, I check and visualise the psychologic state of the > >post, putting notes on a sheet of paper, transcribbing it to my real book, > >and continuing my theasis. Yes my theasis. In what ?? Well.... > Your thesis on how to be a self-centered pain-in-the-butt? > >I did this for the benefit of my theasis. I dont care about what will > >happend to me after this post. People will get very mad at me, flame me > >another time. The circle we go around another time. I consider most of you > >as stupid morons, but I don`t say it loud. > Now I remember that I was looking for. "Hypocrite". You are also a > very big "hypocrite". > >Well, life goes on, and I am avid to check the flames I will receive after > >this (If I ever will). Same thing as I enjoyed Dean get flamed; and all > >those other people also. USENET is IMHO the most complicated part of the > >net, because you find here the elite of the net intelligence. You will > >always find a person that isnt approving your opinion. Always. Every body > >wants to be the right guy here. Everybody wants his opinion to be true and > >good. And tell me who is the ego-centrics here <g> > I've seen a lot of ego-centric people on USENET. I've seen a lot of > trolls. I've also seen a lot of screw-ups/morons. You are number one > at being all of them. There, is that good enough for your ego? Yeah, > copy that in your dumb notes. > > mature and intelligent person > In your dreams, pal. My neighbor's dog is more mature and intelligent > than your are. > >Resume of all that. I like people paying attention to myself. I am not a > >crazy-boy. I am ego-centric yes by moment depending on the situation. > Yeah, you have two problems. You can't stand it when people don't give > you lots of attention, and your are a self-centered, hypocritical, > idiot. > Yeah, I know I probably fell for your bait (again). ..but I don't care > whether you are studying at a college, whether you helped create r.a.s > or not, what you or what you *think* you are, but this is the last > message from you that I'll respond to. You don't belong in a college, > studying psychology. You belong in a mental institute. When I get a > reader that has killfiles, you'll have the honour of being the first > one in that killfile. > -- > Please remove nospam from address when replying via e-mail.

Let me take that back. Your messages are so dumb and annoying that they can be pretty funny and a good laugh, and I'll have to throw in my occasional comment. -- Please remove nospam from address when replying via e-mail.

>>ANSWER, YOU GOT IT. so ? you will kill me ? Now I have changed since 2 >>years, and I am anti-piracy. >So thta make you, like, 3 or 4 years old now? That would explain a >lot. ;-) LOL.... maybe. Just add 15 to the 3 years <g> And thanks for helping r.a.s. with those dumb replys <g> Fran?ois Mnard, Why I am still in rec.autos.simulators ?? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ With great respect, May the downforce be with you, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) ymenard on NROS, sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ SimRacing director, AWPSS - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

>You're ego-centric. Yes. We've noticed several months ago. Thanks for paying attention to myself Maybe... but what do you know about it ? Thank you. I am honored Do I get a prize also for beeing first ?? Wow bring your dog to Star Search. Maybe Mr. McMahon would give you the grand prize. True if you take the "fake" me, the "god of r.a.s." like some people call me <g> :( Well still it's good that you understand you fallen into my bait. And your are cool by saying that you dont care about all this thread (I dont care about it neither, I just laugh at it and take notes). And thanks for avoiding me. (really) Mental institute ? So I`m that good psychologist already ? So your giving me a promotion and putting me already to help those patients ?? Wow I am flattered. Fran?ois Mnard, you all fallen in my bag on rec.autos.simulators ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ With great respect, May the downforce be with you, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) ymenard on NROS, sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ SimRacing director, AWPSS - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

The highest IQ of what college ??? Also.. I know two individuals with very high IQ who could get lost in a broom closet. Scott B. Husted http://home.ptd.net/~sbhusted

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> [cut] > >The real myself is a shy (reason why I like to get publicity here), > >intellectual (geek), mature and intelligent person (I have one of the > >highest IQ of my College). > Of course .... you and Joel Putty! > [cut] > >Fran?ois Mnard, > >Creator, rec.autos.simulators (maybe?maybe not? I take bets) > You're not the Creator ....you're a DESTROYER of RAS ! > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >With great respect, > >May the downforce be with you, > >Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) > >ymenard on NROS, sponsored by > >http://www.awpss.com/ > >SimRacing director, AWPSS > >- *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * - > - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm German speaking) * -

Lets see, he has a "fake, other" self (dual personalities). He is honored to be a hypocrit (Bill Clinton). And he likes Star Search with Ed Mcmahon (is that show still on???). Besides.. I thought the French like Jerry Lewis ???? And he believes only phsychologist are in mental institutes (I guess he is the only patient in his institution.) I guess I too have "fallen into his bait." The great Francois (Franky) - When is your text book gonna be written ?? Scott B. Husted http://home.ptd.net/~sbhusted

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> >You're ego-centric. Yes. We've noticed several months ago. > Thanks for paying attention to myself > >Your thesis on how to be a self-centered pain-in-the-butt? > Maybe... but what do you know about it ? > >Now I remember that I was looking for. "Hypocrite". You are also a > >very big "hypocrite". > Thank you. I am honored > >I've seen a lot of ego-centric people on USENET. I've seen a lot of > >trolls. I've also seen a lot of screw-ups/morons. You are number one > >at being all of them. There, is that good enough for your ego? Yeah, > >copy that in your dumb notes. > Do I get a prize also for beeing first ?? > >In your dreams, pal. My neighbor's dog is more mature and intelligent > >than your are. > Wow bring your dog to Star Search. Maybe Mr. McMahon would give you the > grand prize. > >Yeah, you have two problems. You can't stand it when people don't give > >you lots of attention, and your are a self-centered, hypocritical, > >idiot. > True if you take the "fake" me, the "god of r.a.s." like some people call me > <g> :( > >Yeah, I know I probably fell for your bait (again). ..but I don't care > >whether you are studying at a college, whether you helped create r.a.s > >or not, what you or what you *think* you are, but this is the last > >message from you that I'll respond to. > Well still it's good that you understand you fallen into my bait. And your > are cool by saying that you dont care about all this thread (I dont care > about it neither, I just laugh at it and take notes). And thanks for > avoiding me. (really) > > You don't belong in a college, > >studying psychology. You belong in a mental institute. When I get a > >reader that has killfiles, you'll have the honour of being the first > >one in that killfile. > Mental institute ? So I`m that good psychologist already ? So your giving me > a promotion and putting me already to help those patients ?? Wow I am > flattered. > Fran?ois Mnard, > you all fallen in my bag on rec.autos.simulators > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > With great respect, > May the downforce be with you, > Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) > ymenard on NROS, sponsored by > http://www.awpss.com/ > SimRacing director, AWPSS > - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:41:42 GMT, Ronnie Bigwhip >People can change if you dont belive that then i guess youve never read >the Bible. Of course they can - but does that give them the right to self-righteously preach to everyone else who commits the same crime they were? Cheers! John

It was kind of hard not to, with the "I am the leader of ras" thread... No problem <g>. Uhm....no. Sorry. Is that still on? Thought so... Dr. Menard, as Scott already asked, when is your new book coming out? ;-) -- Please remove nospam from address when replying via e-mail.

> Dr. Menard, as Scott already asked, when is your new book coming out? I can see the opening sentence now: "When Sigmund and I invented psychiatry...." -- Neil Yeatman Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

> Heck Eric lets clarify some things. First of all.... I am studying at > College in psychology, and I have some future plans about being a > psychologist. I am ego-centric yes I am really. I AM EGO-CENTRIC "Physician, heal thyself..." ---Jim

Ronnie, No disrespect at all intended... but I think its best to keep religion out of it.. It would get WAY to messy since Im sure we have many, many different ethnic and religious background on this group. But your point is well taken =) Scott B. Husted http://home.ptd.net/~sbhusted > People can change if you dont belive that then i guess youve never read > the Bible.

> >Hmm... you mean kinda like what you did? Don't be such a hypocrite... > Heck Eric lets clarify some things. First of all.... I am studying at > College in psychology, and I have some future plans about being a > psychologist. I am ego-centric yes I am really. I AM EGO-CENTRIC This is what he learned in the last session, btw Francois Menard, 2 years in psychology at college level won't make you a psychologist, rather a psychic... You're not even at that level (theasis), i doubt at Le cegep de Limoilou you'll be doing theasis, you've got to be accepted by any University, before even thinking about this. Micheal/Eric/newbies/rookie/veterans/etc.. So you start all this at 15, on your parents account (internet), shame on you. You've got a problem, you're doing projection to others, including myself: read this: (from another reply) Heck are you a liar ?? You're the biggest Ego-centric guy I ever saw, you fat hypocrite. Who are you for doing this ? A new-born hitler ? A Dark Lord of the Sith (heh StarWars geek reference). (cut) Have you learned something else in the past 4 months ? Oh i forgot, you probably have only 18 hours per week of school. one person, two personality, two faces... you're the MASK of Limoilou Highest IQ? that's the reason why you chose not to have Calcul integral et differentiel...

Anyone care to comment on my proposition that Microsoft replace v. 1.0 CD's for those loyalists who bought the "unfinished" version of the game?

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>In response to those who are critical of Microsoft for releasing CART:PR >before it was finished (like we have never heard of that before), and who >think that Dean's participation in r.a.s. wasn't up to***(like all the >companies have done better), I snip this from a reply post I sent earlier: >More importantly, since the Microsoft CART reps. have diligently addressed >our queries and concerns here on r.a.s., will Microsoft itself support

those >of us loyal customers who have already bought version 1.0? >By that I mean if all the great new patches and track editors and so forth >(which is more than CART:PR's competitors have ever provided) add up to a >mammoth and inconvenient download, will Microsoft provide new (or exchange) >CD's with the updated version? If they are willing to do that for the loyal >early customers (in exchange for our valuable feedback to improve the game),

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>then we should do nothing but congratulate them. They have demonstrated >more willingness to listen and improve their product than any other sim. >maker so far. >Support the loyalists as much as the later buyers and I will be happy. >Happy to have a better improved product and happy that finally there is a >company making a driving sim. that understands what we want. I wonder if >Sierra/Papyrus, EA, Ubisoft, Eidos, and the rest of the laggards are paying >any attention? If the patched CART:PR is as improved as we anticipate, >combined with the track editor and other goodies, the other sims. will be >long forgotten while people still enjoy the "Quake" of driving games. >By the way, stop bleating about Microsoft and capitalism. They are less >capitalistic and myopically American than 95% of the large U.S.

corporations >in existence. >*************************************************************************** * >Marc Collins >"Change is inevitable...except from a vending machine." >*************************************************************************** *

The track editor is not a very large download. Uncompressed it will probably be around 1-2 megs and compressed it might be .5 to 1 mb. I'm not sure how big the patch is. Thanks John +AD4-Anyone care to comment on my proposition that Microsoft replace v. 1.0 CD's +AD4-for those loyalists who bought the +ACI-unfinished+ACI- version of the game? +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg-In response to those who are critical of Microsoft for releasing CART:PR +AD4APg-before it was finished (like we have never heard of that before), and who +AD4APg-think that Dean's participation in r.a.s. wasn't up to***(like all the +AD4APg-companies have done better), I snip this from a reply post I sent earlier: +AD4APg- +AD4APg-More importantly, since the Microsoft CART reps. have diligently addressed +AD4APg-our queries and concerns here on r.a.s., will Microsoft itself support +AD4-those +AD4APg-of us loyal customers who have already bought version 1.0? +AD4APg- +AD4APg-By that I mean if all the great new patches and track editors and so forth +AD4APg-(which is more than CART:PR's competitors have ever provided) add up to a +AD4APg-mammoth and inconvenient download, will Microsoft provide new (or exchange) +AD4APg-CD's with the updated version? If they are willing to do that for the +AD4-loyal +AD4APg-early customers (in exchange for our valuable feedback to improve the +AD4-game), +AD4APg-then we should do nothing but congratulate them. They have demonstrated +AD4APg-more willingness to listen and improve their product than any other sim. +AD4APg-maker so far. +AD4APg- +AD4APg-Support the loyalists as much as the later buyers and I will be happy. +AD4APg-Happy to have a better improved product and happy that finally there is a +AD4APg-company making a driving sim. that understands what we want. I wonder if +AD4APg-Sierra/Papyrus, EA, Ubisoft, Eidos, and the rest of the laggards are paying +AD4APg-any attention? If the patched CART:PR is as improved as we anticipate, +AD4APg-combined with the track editor and other goodies, the other sims. will be +AD4APg-long forgotten while people still enjoy the +ACI-Quake+ACI- of driving games. +AD4APg- +AD4APg-By the way, stop bleating about Microsoft and capitalism. They are less +AD4APg-capitalistic and myopically American than 95+ACU- of the large U.S. +AD4-corporations +AD4APg-in existence. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- +AD4APgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACo- +ACo- +AD4AKg- +AD4APg-Marc Collins +AD4APg-collinsm+AEA-interlog.com +AD4APg- +AD4APgAi-Change is inevitable...except from a vending machine.+ACI- +AD4APgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACoAKgAqACo- +ACo- +AD4AKg- +AD4APg- +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4-

Most people tell, or see, the stories of their life the minute before they die, as you, as a psychologist definately know. Now that you've "unveiled the real answer to yourself" (as if I ever wanted to know), does this mean you're going to shoot yourself tonight? Or at least leave this newsgroup (since this ng seems to be all live you got)? -- Joeri J. Cox >>Hmm... you mean kinda like what you did? Don't be such a hypocrite... >Heck Eric lets clarify some things. First of all.... I am studying at >College in psychology, and I have some future plans about being a >psychologist. I am ego-centric yes I am really. I AM EGO-CENTRIC <SNIP!!>

> Anyone care to comment on my proposition that Microsoft replace v. 1.0 CD's > for those loyalists who bought the "unfinished" version of the game? Personally, I think it's exceedingly unlikely. If you're really mad about it, just return the one you have and buy it later with a newly mastered CD. (This costs manafucturers money, if the store sends the game back, rather than just re-shrink-wrapping it.) Whether you have a valid point or not, I'm not sure I can judge. I don't mind so much downloading and applying patches, but I've just gotten used to it. Is it a hassle when you have to re-install? Sure. Do you have to re-install all that often? I don't. My opinion (as a consumer, as well as a former developer) is: be glad for properly executed patches, and don't worry so much whether they come over your SCSI cable or serial cable. :-) ---Jim

> Let's neither sanctify or demonize CPR's makers. Both are unfair. Rubbish! The product deserves demonising as much as it needs a patch! So does the practice of releasing alphas.

> >Hmm... you mean kinda like what you did? Don't be such a hypocrite... > Heck Eric lets clarify some things. First of all.... I am studying at > College in psychology, and I have some future plans about being a > psychologist. Tell you what. How about we take up a collection for this fella to send him to a psycoligist and put him thru college in English. Please? No! Change from psychology to English!

Here! Here! >> Let's neither sanctify or demonize CPR's makers. Both are unfair. > Rubbish! The product deserves demonising as much as it needs a patch! >So does the practice of releasing alphas.