Dean leaving RAS..... my view

Three things: 1. The game is very playable. Draw-ahead and frame rate problems are being addressed. How many times can the man say this without people writing "unbiased" reviews pointing out the same things? And as for CPR crashing a system, somebody (not Dean) needs to get a grip. No, he didn't call you a liar, Allison, he just told you that CPR does not corrupt operating systems. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. You're the FIRST PERSON to report this. You had a problem before you installed CPR. Dean had every right to say that he didn't feel this was a major problem, because if it was, they would have heard of it by now. If you have computer experience, you KNOW that when you have a registry problem, you can install Space Cadet Pinball and it will crash your system. 2. To all the critics: can't you just shut the heck up for a couple of weeks, try the patch, and then tell us what you think? You're not saying anything new, and you haven't for weeks. Stop crying. 3. Microsoft made a BIG MISTAKE waving Dean in front of RAS all by himself. Perhaps they underestimated the questions/flames/critiques he'd get, but honestly, if a company is going to put a presence on a newsgroup, they'd better put FIVE guys/gals on that NG answering questions, and then pull a couple off of that when the questions die down. Putting one guy out here to field everything was a stupid mistake. -- Mark

>Why are there so many unhappy users of CPR here? Chew on that and >report back to us. Could it be that the people that do like it either a) don't post here, b) posted here initially but left after getting flamed to a crisp or c) are off doing setups, paintkits, web sites, etc instead of sitting here arguing with people who aren't afraid to sling mud? Randy

>I don't know, Randy, but they aren't driving around in the CART:PR >sim at a smooth rate without having to dodge the AI. Actually I am (driving at a smooth frame rate with a full grid), but then I'm on a P300 with a Riva 128, so I know that's freakishly non-normal right now :). I absolutely destroyed the field in Portland, which was funny because I spun off into the grass several times. I still had fun, though...and whats worse, I don't know why. <G> Seriously, if I could fix the problems in this sim I'd prioritize it this way: 1. Wandering on the straights (Alison's null zone problem, nicely presented) 1. Add some AI (I'm not convinced there is any yet) 2. Yellow flags (probably going to be deferred to next patch, but as long as they get it done right ... *sigh*) There's many more things I want to see happen with this sim. I just hope the MS people are still monitoring the forum so that they can collect this feedback, both pre and post-patch. Randy

criticism! Praise??????? It's bad enough that a company releases garbage. What brings the *** to over boiling point are those that defend such companies. Why do so many supposed males like to be screwed???????????????????

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> >Why are there so many unhappy users of CPR here? Chew on that and > >report back to us. > Could it be that the people that do like it either a) don't post here, > b) posted here initially but left after getting flamed to a crisp or > c) are off doing setups, paintkits, web sites, etc instead of sitting > here arguing with people who aren't afraid to sling mud?

Yeah, one time it's the silent majority, and another time it's the m*** majority... That's what immigrants hear often: If you dont't like it here, get out! ;^) l8er ronny -- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

>>Three things: >>1. The game is very playable. Draw-ahead and frame rate >>problems are being addressed. >Not for Alison, they aren't. She played it on a P-133 and a P-166... of course she's not going to get satisfactory results. Maybe if she read r.a.s. before buying the game, she'd have known this. I only have the demo, but I am getting satisfactory (to me!) frame rates in the 4 car race... (20 fps with the Viper video card, 15 fps pre-Viper... that's with hills being drawn, the***pit on, and the sound on). It's not great performance, but neither is GP2 - a sim that's been out for what? 2 years? He offered to send her one! I did - so what? If she didn't have a rendition card, would her review of ICR2 be so glowing? Her system is optimized for ICR2. If it were optimized for CPR, I'm sure she would sing a slightly different tune. (Though, I realize that no system configuration will fix the AI...) He didn't care? I'm sure he did... he cared enough to see her post, visit her site, and write up a reply with about 2 hours of her first post. So he TOLD her CPR didn't crash o/s's. On it's own, I'm sure it doesn't. He didn't ask her what else she was running when she installed it. He didn't ask her what else she did to the computer that day (before and after the installation - she said she installed it, ran it fine, and then it crashed when she re-booted.). Neither did she explain all this in detail. She just accused CPR of wiping out her registry. That's a strong accusation. So he was a little short with her... she never gave him a chance after that. She could have come back and said politely that she tried this and that, that she didn't know for sure but had narrowed it down to CPR being the problem... She didn't. She jumped right on that opportunity to complain about Dean, MS, and all tech support people everywhere... you think that's fair? There's a handful of vocal critics, me thinks... The reason there aren't a lot of people singing CPR's praise is that they're having TOO MUCH FUN playing, that they don't want to stop and read all the whining here! (just a little tongue-in-cheek comment there to lighten things up....) He changed all right - he started responding to people in the same tone/manner that they responded to him... - Mike. ==================================================== Mike Holthouse - Indianapolis, IN I'm sick of spam!! To e-mail me, remove the "x"... ====================================================

majority... That's what immigrants hear often: If you dont't like it here, get out! >> Here's another point. You have the right to say anything you want on this newsgroup. However, whether you have the right to do something is often different than saying that saying it is the right thing to do. I seriously wonder what % of their CART customer base Microsoft thinks lives in this newsgroup. It may help explain why Dean felt he could walk away without getting in trouble for it. Randy Randy Magruder Staff Writer Digital Sportspage [link lost in import]

You are absolutely right Randy.

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> >Why are there so many unhappy users of CPR here? Chew on that and > >report back to us. > Could it be that the people that do like it either a) don't post here, > b) posted here initially but left after getting flamed to a crisp or > c) are off doing setups, paintkits, web sites, etc instead of sitting > here arguing with people who aren't afraid to sling mud? > Randy

Randy, I made this point in an earlier post.... If the only people purchasing their products are those who are on RAS... they will be out of business very very quickly. Scott B. Husted [link lost in import: /~sbhusted]

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> >> Yeah, one time it's the silent majority, and another time it's the m*** > majority... That's what immigrants hear often: If you dont't like it here, get > out! >> > Here's another point. You have the right to say anything you want on this > newsgroup. However, whether you have the right to do something is often > different than saying that saying it is the right thing to do. > I seriously wonder what % of their CART customer base Microsoft thinks lives in > this newsgroup. It may help explain why Dean felt he could walk away without > getting in trouble for it. > Randy > Randy Magruder > Staff Writer > Digital Sportspage > [link lost in import]

>>Why are there so many unhappy users of CPR here? Chew on that and >>report back to us. >Could it be that the people that do like it either a) don't post here, >b) posted here initially but left after getting flamed to a crisp or >c) are off doing setups, paintkits, web sites, etc instead of sitting >here arguing with people who aren't afraid to sling mud? No, that doesn't sound very likely at all. This forum is the best -place on the net for getting accurate information on driving sims. You have to read for a few weeks of course, and filter out the few flamers and whiners. Joe

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>>>Why are there so many unhappy users of CPR here? Chew on that and >>>report back to us. >>Could it be that the people that do like it either a) don't post here, >>b) posted here initially but left after getting flamed to a crisp or >>c) are off doing setups, paintkits, web sites, etc instead of sitting >>here arguing with people who aren't afraid to sling mud? >No, that doesn't sound very likely at all. This forum is the best >-place on the net for getting accurate information on driving sims. >You have to read for a few weeks of course, and filter out the few >flamers and whiners.

True, but after a certain flame period at the beginning of a product lifecycle, a lot of the enthusiasts who have decided to stick with the product go off and form offline leagues, hotlap tables, paintkit stuff (we know the end is upon is when CPR gets an IRL carset!!!!) Randy

Don't even bring that up. That's the scariest thing I've ever seen on this NG. :) -- ML

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>>Why are there so many unhappy users of CPR here? Chew on that and >>report back to us. >Could it be that the people that do like it either a) don't post here, >b) posted here initially but left after getting flamed to a crisp or >c) are off doing setups, paintkits, web sites, etc instead of sitting >here arguing with people who aren't afraid to sling mud?

Hi Randy, Not to start an argument, but you do realise that you didn't answer his question? He never asked where the happy people where, merely why so many unhappy people (not unhappy people expressed as a ratio of happy people) :-) Frankly this whole thing is very tiring. One of the things you learn very quickly on usenet is that the vast majority of people will _never_ be deflected from their opinion - as the old joke goes "even if you prove it to me I won't believe you". Everyone has their opinion and everyone has expressed their opinion, but now it seems near everyone is getting all fired up trying to bring everyone around to their point of view. I've done it myself, I'll probably do it again, and it's a real waste of time. Why doesn't everyone go and do something useful. Write to Dean and ask if you can help with the testing of the patch (offer an apology in the meantime if you flamed his ass), go and do a carset, make a website, develop some setups that can be posted or whatever. Every minute spent typing flames into a keyboard is a minute wasted, because it's gonna come right back at you, and the opinion of the guy at the other end, if changed at all, will be stronger than ever. Not directed at you Randy, I've just finished reading the guy's message saying he's gonna take a week off, and thinking what a good idea it is. That got me thinking. It's either the week's holiday or put in some heavy kill files that expire in a couple of weeks. Cheers! John