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Any joystick racers?

13 posts by 12 people · 08 Dec 1997 - 12 Dec 1997

Redr 08 Dec 1997#386194
The problem is, it is tough to use y-axis of joystick to accel/brake. I tried using button1 and button2 for accel/brake but digital control means I cannot control the amount of acceleration/braking. The buttons are fine for arcade racing games, since I'm always either on full acceleration or full braking, but they are impossible to use for sims like GP2 and F1RS. Any help will be appreciated. Thanx in advance. P.S. I used to have a T2. But the desk in my new room makes it impossible to use it. So please don't send suggestions like "buy a wheel." I know some of you raced using joystick back in Nascar1 days :)
I used a js for all my racing games until buying a T1 several years ago. I have just retired the T1 and, whilst awaiting a new wheel/pedal combo, have reverted to the trusty old js. Sure...it took a while to relearn it but in all the sims (GP2, ICR2 and N2) I am faster through the corners than with the wheel and have no dramas with acclerating/braking on the 'y' axis. You'll probably find that it's a matter of time before you become used to it. -- Bruce. "I envy people who drink. At least they have something to blame everything on." (Oscar Levant)
Quoted text (12 lines)> The problem is, it is tough to use y-axis of joystick to accel/brake. > I tried using button1 and button2 for accel/brake but digital control > means I cannot control the amount of acceleration/braking. The > buttons are fine for arcade racing games, since I'm always either on > full acceleration or full braking, but they are impossible to use for > sims like GP2 and F1RS. Any help will be appreciated. Thanx in > advance. > P.S. I used to have a T2. But the desk in my new room makes it > impossible to use it. So please don't send suggestions like "buy a > wheel." I know some of you raced using joystick back in Nascar1 days > :)
Are you using a digital joystick? I have no problems with an analog stick - I really like the original Logitech Wingman (not the Light or Extreme models) which you can still find pretty easily for $20-25US. Nice heavy base, sturdily built, good accurate control. No probs braking and accelerating with it using Y axis, with N2, GP2, etc.
Quoted text (12 lines)>The problem is, it is tough to use y-axis of joystick to accel/brake. >I tried using button1 and button2 for accel/brake but digital control >means I cannot control the amount of acceleration/braking. The >buttons are fine for arcade racing games, since I'm always either on >full acceleration or full braking, but they are impossible to use for >sims like GP2 and F1RS. Any help will be appreciated. Thanx in >advance. >P.S. I used to have a T2. But the desk in my new room makes it >impossible to use it. So please don't send suggestions like "buy a >wheel." I know some of you raced using joystick back in Nascar1 days >:)
I always accel/brake with the buttons. Works fine for me. I have a Wingman Extreme Digital. It has a gas lever on the base of the joystick. I use that one as the clutch in GP2. If you do that the wheels won't spin when you start, and if you handle it right you can race withouth throtle help perfectly. The Same thing can be done with a CH Flightstick (pro i think.) or other sticks with gas levers. Remember to use control driven calibration in GP2 (it's a check box in the advanced control method menu). I haven't tried this in F1RS, because I can't play the damn game... I NEED 3DFX!!!!!!
Quoted text (12 lines)>The problem is, it is tough to use y-axis of joystick to accel/brake. >I tried using button1 and button2 for accel/brake but digital control >means I cannot control the amount of acceleration/braking. The >buttons are fine for arcade racing games, since I'm always either on >full acceleration or full braking, but they are impossible to use for >sims like GP2 and F1RS. Any help will be appreciated. Thanx in >advance. >P.S. I used to have a T2. But the desk in my new room makes it >impossible to use it. So please don't send suggestions like "buy a >wheel." I know some of you raced using joystick back in Nascar1 days >:)
Although I've been trying to get the hang of driving with a T2 for the past few months, I am a long-time joystick racer. I didn't like the buttons or keyboard for accel/brake (OK for ICR1, but N1 and later really *want* analog accel/brake). I also didn't like having to control two axes on the same stick. My solution was: two joysticks (duh). I've got a couple of cheap joysticks (CH Mach I's, with the tiny sticks for precise fingertip control, under $20 a piece) and a Y-cable (allows you two plug both into one port). I use the X-axis on my right joystick for steering, the Y-axis on my left joystick for accel/brake. (BTW, Steve Smith's CART Racing book suggests that this is what some of the in-house Papyrus hot-shoes also use.) Before you send me UCE, I know what you're thinking... Did he complain to five or six postmasters last month? Now, you must ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do you, punk?
ymenard 08 Dec 1997#386199
>P.S. I used to have a T2. But the desk in my new room makes it >impossible to use it. So please don't send suggestions like "buy a >wheel." I know some of you raced using joystick back in Nascar1 days Naw... Just buy a new desk ! With great respect, May the downforce be with you, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Fran?ois Mnard, "ymenard" on NROS Team member, Zombie Entreprise Sponsored by AWPSS, http://www.awpss.com/ SimRacing director, AWPSS Official PR, AWPSS Director, The SimRacing Hall-of-Fame Co-director, Light-Speed - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -
Quoted text (22 lines)> >The problem is, it is tough to use y-axis of joystick to accel/brake. > >I tried using button1 and button2 for accel/brake but digital control > >means I cannot control the amount of acceleration/braking. The > >buttons are fine for arcade racing games, since I'm always either on > >full acceleration or full braking, but they are impossible to use for > >sims like GP2 and F1RS. Any help will be appreciated. Thanx in > >advance. > >P.S. I used to have a T2. But the desk in my new room makes it > >impossible to use it. So please don't send suggestions like "buy a > >wheel." I know some of you raced using joystick back in Nascar1 days > >:) > I always accel/brake with the buttons. Works fine for me. I have a > Wingman Extreme Digital. It has a gas lever on the base of the > joystick. I use that one as the clutch in GP2. If you do that the > wheels won't spin when you start, and if you handle it right you can > race withouth throtle help perfectly. The Same thing can be done with > a CH Flightstick (pro i think.) or other sticks with gas levers. > Remember to use control driven calibration in GP2 (it's a check box in > the advanced control method menu). > I haven't tried this in F1RS, because I can't play the damn game... I > NEED 3DFX!!!!!!
Owing to being a poor old student, I am stuck with a joystick for racing sims (I mainly run Nascar 2) I find that the forward/backward axis is much better for accellerate/brake than buttons as I can control how much I accellerate/brake... Quentin. -- -/\_ + -/\ \___ --==> Quentin Christensen ####//_\\___\_ + You must make your enemy your bud -\/ _/ + --==> and all will be well... -\/ http://www.ozramp.net.au/~minx/index.html
<snip> % >P.S. I used to have a T2. But the desk in my new room makes it % >impossible to use it. So please don't send suggestions like "buy a % >wheel." I know some of you raced using joystick back in Nascar1 days % >:) <snip> % My solution was: two joysticks (duh). I've got a couple of cheap % joysticks (CH Mach I's, with the tiny sticks for precise fingertip % control, under $20 a piece) and a Y-cable (allows you two plug both % into one port). I use the X-axis on my right joystick for steering, % the Y-axis on my left joystick for accel/brake. (BTW, Steve Smith's % CART Racing book suggests that this is what some of the in-house % Papyrus hot-shoes also use.) Hey, that's a thought... If you've got room for your pedals under your desk, why not use the joystick for steering and the pedals for gas/brake? Try plugging your joystick into the T2's pedals and then plugging the pedals into your gameport. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Redr 09 Dec 1997#386346
Ah...I never thought about that! I know it'll look odd but I gotta try that. I'll fetch my T2 pedals when I go home for Christmas. In the mean time, I'm learning y-axis joystick acceleration/braking as everyone suggested. I'm getting better at it now. What kind of sensitivity/dead-zone setting do joystick players use? I'm using less sensitive setting than I used for my wheel/pedal combo.
wolfma 09 Dec 1997#386347
if you can set the top of the y-axis to accelarate and the bottom of the y-axis to brake, the buttons to upshift and down shift. this worked for me in cart precesion racing. Wolfman ICQ: 5324435 http://www.lara.on.ca/~wolfman
Quoted text (12 lines)>The problem is, it is tough to use y-axis of joystick to accel/brake. >I tried using button1 and button2 for accel/brake but digital control >means I cannot control the amount of acceleration/braking. The >buttons are fine for arcade racing games, since I'm always either on >full acceleration or full braking, but they are impossible to use for >sims like GP2 and F1RS. Any help will be appreciated. Thanx in >advance. >P.S. I used to have a T2. But the desk in my new room makes it >impossible to use it. So please don't send suggestions like "buy a >wheel." I know some of you raced using joystick back in Nascar1 days >:)
Krejc 11 Dec 1997#386918
I use a hybrid... I had a T1, which was great, but I also liked flight sims and switching joysticks was a pain and I didn't want to shell out the cash on a Joyswitch. I have a MS sidewinder Pro and, being digital, it has some interesting effects. I Plugged my T1 Pedals in as normal (using the supplied adapter to make the pedals J1 Y instead of J2 Y. I the plug my SIDEWINDER into the plug where the wheel usually goes. With MS newest Sidewinder drivers, I can do the following: 1. For flight sims, I select MS Sidewinder as the joystick in the *** device panel. This has the effect that the pedals are totally ignored, and the SW acts in 100% digital mode (all 8 buttons+hat, all 3 axes) 2. For racing sims, I select CHFlightstick Pro. The pedals become the J1 Y axis, the main Joystick acts as J1 X. This way, I can use the pedals to accelerate and brake but use the joystick to steer!!! (all 4 buttons, hat) the J2 Y is the throttle and J2 X is the main joystick Y movement for some reason. All this without swapping plugs. Joysticks are a pain when both speed and steering are integrated together...Hard to change one without inadvertantly effecting the other. Later, Rick
Quoted text (12 lines)>>The problem is, it is tough to use y-axis of joystick to accel/brake. >>I tried using button1 and button2 for accel/brake but digital control >>means I cannot control the amount of acceleration/braking. The >>buttons are fine for arcade racing games, since I'm always either on >>full acceleration or full braking, but they are impossible to use for >>sims like GP2 and F1RS. Any help will be appreciated. Thanx in >>advance. >>P.S. I used to have a T2. But the desk in my new room makes it >>impossible to use it. So please don't send suggestions like "buy a >>wheel." I know some of you raced using joystick back in Nascar1 days >>:)
Jim Sokolo 12 Dec 1997#387221
Quoted text (13 lines)> <snip> > % My solution was: two joysticks (duh). I've got a couple of cheap > % joysticks (CH Mach I's, with the tiny sticks for precise fingertip > % control, under $20 a piece) and a Y-cable (allows you two plug both > % into one port). I use the X-axis on my right joystick for steering, > % the Y-axis on my left joystick for accel/brake. (BTW, Steve Smith's > % CART Racing book suggests that this is what some of the in-house > % Papyrus hot-shoes also use.) > Hey, that's a thought... If you've got room for your pedals under your > desk, why not use the joystick for steering and the pedals for > gas/brake? Try plugging your joystick into the T2's pedals and then > plugging the pedals into your gameport.
Actually, THAT's (pedals and joystick) the setup most of the Papyrus hotshoes use... ---Jim
Steve 12 Dec 1997#387222
You have a cool setup Rick. i should go out and buy some good pedals cause I cant afford and steering wheel/pedal combo right now. I am doing quite well with just the joystick but as you say "Hard to change one without inadvertantly effecting the other." very true. take care all Steve

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