GPL Nurburgring

As far as I know the Nurburgring is not one of the confirmed tracks and Papy is still working to get the licensing deal done. I would really miss the ring if it would not be in the game. Am I the only one who feels so?

> As far as I know the Nurburgring is not one of the confirmed > tracks and Papy is still working to get the licensing deal done. > I would really miss the ring if it would not be in the game. > Am I the only one who feels so? I doubt the marjority of people here know what Nurburgring is ... but alas, we have SpeedWorld where I live ! <grin> Doug p.s. I too hope it does have that track for the historic value and for the pure fun of it

>Subject: GPL Nurburgring >Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 20:38:02 퍝 >As far as I know the Nurburgring is not one of the confirmed >tracks and Papy is still working to get the licensing deal done. >I would really miss the ring if it would not be in the game. >Am I the only one who feels so? If it was an accurate Nurburgring I would buy the game even if that was the ONLY track, just like I would buy Manx TT if the only track was an accurate Isle of Man, which it isn't, so I won't ! Don Scurlock Vancouver, B.C.

>As far as I know the Nurburgring is not one of the confirmed >tracks and Papy is still working to get the licensing deal done. >I would really miss the ring if it would not be in the game. >Am I the only one who feels so? Actually, It is Spa-Forcanchamps, and not the Nurburgring, that is presently not confirmed into the game. And they also decided to bring us others tracks that were not in the 1967 F1 Season, with 2tracks in France (Pau and Rouen I think) and also Brand's Hatch (who had a special F1 competition that year). But still, it will be the reference in Simracing titles when it comes out. I have that special feeling that I had when I saw pics of Nascar1 for the first time :-) Fran?ois Mnard, ymenard on NROS Team driver, Zombie Entreprise Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ May the downforce be with you, always... (-o-)

Its actually closer to 180 turns. Still be awesome though :-) -- Regards Glenn Beaumaris ------------------------------------------ "I believe in God-After All Helen Hunt Exists" =================================== The Quote of 1997: "The first thing you notice is her spirit and her talent, then her beauty hits you, and you're like, 'Well, excuse me, but she's gorgeous!' You don't even notice what she's wearing because her aura dominates. That's true style." >>>Subject: GPL Nurburgring >>>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 20:38:02 퍝 >>>As far as I know the Nurburgring is not one of the confirmed >>>tracks and Papy is still working to get the licensing deal done. >>>I would really miss the ring if it would not be in the game. >>>Am I the only one who feels so? >>If it was an accurate Nurburgring I would buy the game even if that was the >>ONLY track, just like I would buy Manx TT if the only track was an accurate >>Isle of Man, which it isn't, so I won't ! >> Don Scurlock >> Vancouver, B.C. >Yep, Norguring would be something. I'd love to race the track that all cars >are judged by.... all 96 turns of it (I might me a couple turns off). >David Mocnay begin 666 Glenn Beaumaris.vcf M0D5'24XZ5D-!4D0-"DXZ0F5A=6UA<FES.T=L96YN.TAE;G)Y#0I&3CI';&5N M2&EL;#M3;W5T:"!!=7-T<F%L:6$[.T%U<W1R86QI80T*3$%"14P[2$]-13M% M3D-/1$E.1SU154]4140M4%))3E1!0DQ%.CTP1#TP03TP1#TP03TP1#TP049L M#0I%34%)3#M04D5&.TE.5$523D54.F=L96YN;VU ;7-NO;0T*14Y$.E9# %05)$#0H` ` end end

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> >>Subject: GPL Nurburgring > >>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 20:38:02 퍝 > >>As far as I know the Nurburgring is not one of the confirmed > >>tracks and Papy is still working to get the licensing deal done. > >>I would really miss the ring if it would not be in the game. > >>Am I the only one who feels so? > >If it was an accurate Nurburgring I would buy the game even if that was the > >ONLY track, just like I would buy Manx TT if the only track was an accurate > >Isle of Man, which it isn't, so I won't ! > > Don Scurlock > > Vancouver, B.C. > Yep, Norguring would be something. I'd love to race the track that all cars > are judged by.... all 96 turns of it (I might me a couple turns off). > David Mocnay

Actually, I think it's 127....:) Matt -- ------------------------------ Matthew Birger Patrick Knutsen (http://sofus.hiof.no/~matthebk) "Racing cars is like dancing with a chainsaw" -Cale Yarborough Cheek Racing Cars (http://home.sn.no/~kareknut/) Please Remove "NoSpam" from my E-mail adress when replying! -------------------------------

178 If I am not mistaken. Mark http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~msumm/gpl/maingpl.htm

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> >>Subject: GPL Nurburgring > >>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 20:38:02 퍝 > >>As far as I know the Nurburgring is not one of the confirmed > >>tracks and Papy is still working to get the licensing deal done. > >>I would really miss the ring if it would not be in the game. > >>Am I the only one who feels so? > >If it was an accurate Nurburgring I would buy the game even if that was the > >ONLY track, just like I would buy Manx TT if the only track was an accurate > >Isle of Man, which it isn't, so I won't ! > > Don Scurlock > > Vancouver, B.C. > Yep, Norguring would be something. I'd love to race the track that all cars > are judged by.... all 96 turns of it (I might me a couple turns off). > David Mocnay

>As far as I know the Nurburgring is not one of the confirmed >tracks and Papy is still working to get the licensing deal done. >I would really miss the ring if it would not be in the game. >Am I the only one who feels so? Certainly not! I would be greatly disappointed if the "Nordschleife" (the *real* Nuerburgring; the 20 kilometers track, not the modern GP track) was missing from the sim. After all, I have to practise the left-hand corner following the "Fuchsroehre", where I destroyed my Toyota Celica twelve years ago... and I'd like to see the remainder of the circuit, too. Didn't have the chance back then... ;) If I think about it, GPL Voodoo2 iP200MMX T2 wheel will still be less expensive than the crash-barrier and car repair I had to pay back then. And I'll have more than one try, too... Papy, please do your best to get the rights to the Ring! -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. wopr"at"stud.uni-sb.de \ There is no "2" in my real e-mail address. Uni des Saarlands \ Sorry for the inconvenience. You know why.

I too would buy the game even if it only had the old, looooong version of Nurburgring. It's a real classic and it would probably take ages just to get good on this one track. Karl

For those you who's interrested, Jim Clark's 1967 pole-posistion time on the 22835 meter long track was 8min 4,1sec. (avg. speed 169,8 km/h) Achived in the 3.0 V8 Ford Cosworth DFV powered Lotus 49. Now... if we compare this to the outright track record by Derek Bell and/or Stefan Bellof during the Nurburigring 1000 km race for Gr. C cars in 1985... They (i.e. one of them) managed to "drag" the turbo powered Porsche 956 around the circuit in 6min. 25,91sec. Thats an average speed of 194,33 km/h !!!! Now when you remember that the track has 178 corners - that's bloddy fast!! Edwin Solheim, Norway http//:home.sol.no/~solhmrek "Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

>Certainly not! I would be greatly disappointed if the "Nordschleife" >(the *real* Nuerburgring; the 20 kilometers track, not the modern GP >track) was missing from the sim. After all, I have to practise the >left-hand corner following the "Fuchsroehre", where I destroyed my >Toyota Celica twelve years ago... and I'd like to see the remainder of >the circuit, too. Didn't have the chance back then... ;) Your post sparked off an idea for me. Is it still possible to drive on the Nordschlieffe in a standard road car. I seem to remember that there was a charge of 20DM per lap? I'm coming over to Europe in August (Spa GP followed by Italy) and inbetween I am going to drive through Germany, Switzerland etc. A stop at the Nurburgring would be cool, and I also have a Celica (what a truly fine car!) Alan Head ************************* Screamer 2 homepages: http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm ----------------------------------------- Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm __________________________________________

Wasn't this in an old porsche commercial. The engineer/driver ran out of money and the only thing they learned was to not give a porsche engineer an atm card.

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> >Certainly not! I would be greatly disappointed if the "Nordschleife" > >(the *real* Nuerburgring; the 20 kilometers track, not the modern GP > >track) was missing from the sim. After all, I have to practise the > >left-hand corner following the "Fuchsroehre", where I destroyed my > >Toyota Celica twelve years ago... and I'd like to see the remainder > of > >the circuit, too. Didn't have the chance back then... ;) > Your post sparked off an idea for me. Is it still possible to drive on > the Nordschlieffe in a standard road car. I seem to remember that > there was a charge of 20DM per lap? I'm coming over to Europe in > August (Spa GP followed by Italy) and inbetween I am going to drive > through Germany, Switzerland etc. A stop at the Nurburgring would be > cool, and I also have a Celica (what a truly fine car!) > Alan Head > ************************* > Screamer 2 homepages: > http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm > ----------------------------------------- > Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page > http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm > __________________________________________

-- Thank you Marc Johnson

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>178 If I am not mistaken. >Mark >http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~msumm/gpl/maingpl.htm >> Yep, Nurburgring would be something. I'd love to race the track that all cars >> are judged by.... all 96 turns of it (I might me a couple turns off). >> David Mocnay

Looks like I was about 80 corners off.... I know it was some stupid numbers of turns :) The way I look at it.... the more the better. I can't wait!! David Mocnay

In 1985 it was a shorter track. They could not use the original start/finish section because of the new track being built at that time. But nevertheless Stefan Bellofs ride was very impressive and can be compared with Jo Sifferts pole with the Porsche 908/3 in 1000 KM sportscar race in 1970. (A 7.43 when Im right which was faster than the Formula 1 in these days!) The Nrburgring is a must for GPL. It was the most well-known track in these as. Im rather curious how Papy will manage to create such a long track! Klaus H?rbrand

>Your post sparked off an idea for me. Is it still possible to drive on >the Nordschlieffe in a standard road car. I seem to remember that >there was a charge of 20DM per lap? I'm coming over to Europe in >August (Spa GP followed by Italy) and in between I am going to drive >through Germany, Switzerland etc. A stop at the Nurburgring would be >cool, and I also have a Celica (what a truly fine car!) Before you go, be sure to study the proper racing lines detailed on the maps of the Nurburgring Nordschleife at: <http://cbsgi1.bu.edu/bmw/nurbcgi.html> I sure hope this track will be part of GP Legends!!! -Ferdinand-

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>>Your post sparked off an idea for me. Is it still possible to drive on >>the Nordschlieffe in a standard road car. I seem to remember that >>there was a charge of 20DM per lap? I'm coming over to Europe in >>August (Spa GP followed by Italy) and in between I am going to drive >>through Germany, Switzerland etc. A stop at the Nurburgring would be >>cool, and I also have a Celica (what a truly fine car!) >Before you go, be sure to study the proper racing lines detailed on >the maps of the Nurburgring Nordschleife at: > <[link lost in import]

And/or you could get a hold of the "In Car 956" video and have Derek Bell take you for a spin. The footage was shot the last year the old layout was used for competition. -Bill -- Bill Mette | "The Latin word for 'Close your eyes and open your MCSNet, Chicago | mouth' is 'Prospectus.'"

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> Your post sparked off an idea for me. Is it still possible to drive on > the Nordschlieffe in a standard road car. I seem to remember that > there was a charge of 20DM per lap? I'm coming over to Europe in > August (Spa GP followed by Italy) and inbetween I am going to drive > through Germany, Switzerland etc. A stop at the Nurburgring would be > cool, and I also have a Celica (what a truly fine car!) > Alan Head

Yes, you can drive on the Nuerburgring Nordschleife with your normal car, but only on certain days, because: a) there are still races, mostly endurance but in 98 also one race for the STW cup befor the 24h race. b) the track is used for testing of new cars by many car manufacturers. For more information go to http://www.nuerburgring.com (Sorry, only in German) Go to 'Angebote' -> 'Selbsterfahren am Ring-"Bammel statt Bummel" ' and you can find the days; at the moment only for 97, but I think the will have changed it when you come to Germany. You can also take a ride with a real racing driver around the ring in a BMW. Holger Reinhardt

Err... "Hang on, you're gettin' a tow..." yikes. Matt:))) -- ------------------------------ Matthew Birger Patrick Knutsen (http://sofus.hiof.no/~matthebk) "Racing cars is like dancing with a chainsaw" -Cale Yarborough Cheek Racing Cars (http://home.sn.no/~kareknut/) Please Remove "NoSpam" from my E-mail adress when replying! -------------------------------

>Err... >"Hang on, you're gettin' a tow..." >yikes. No-no-no!!! A tow truck in those day was a rare thing - wasn't it? To make it 100% realistic Papy should make you WALK back!! Now thats - yikes !! :))) ed_ on NROS Edwin Solheim, Norway http//:home.sol.no/~solhmrek "Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

>In 1985 it was a shorter track. They could not use the original start/finish >section because of the new track being built at that time. <snip!> I didn't know that... I got the info from Nurburgring's official site. Anyway, if I'm not wrong - in the film "In car 956" Derek Bell lap the long "Ring" in 6,25 min. - bracket during the practice/qualifying for the 1983 1000km race. (that run was according to Bell himself the sixth fastest time ever (well uptil then anyway). The really awsome part about Bell "in car camera" lap is that he's being passed by Jacky Icxx (who is on a qual run) sort of halfway thru the lap, and he is _really_ flying !!! I imagine the time Icxx clocked on the run is _the_ fastest lap around the Ring ever - allthough is't not an "official" record. (whilch btw, has to be set during a race). ed_ on NROS Edwin Solheim, Norway http//:home.sol.no/~solhmrek "Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

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> >Err... > >"Hang on, you're gettin' a tow..." > >yikes. > No-no-no!!! > A tow truck in those day was a rare thing - wasn't it? > To make it 100% realistic Papy should make you WALK back!! > Now thats - yikes !! :)))

Yepp, and for each step you have to hit the Enter key once! ;^) l8er ronny -- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Hi, Who is the publisher of this video? A catalogue number would be useful too. I see an early Christmas present beckoning... Cheers, Alan Head ************************* Screamer 2 homepages: http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm ----------------------------------------- Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm __________________________________________

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> > >Err... > > >"Hang on, you're gettin' a tow..." > > >yikes. > > No-no-no!!! > > A tow truck in those day was a rare thing - wasn't it? > > To make it 100% realistic Papy should make you WALK back!! > > Now thats - yikes !! :))) > Yepp, and for each step you have to hit the Enter key once! ;^)

Hey!! It's summer games 5000m dash all over again!! Now who said something about "bring back the playable games...?" <g> Matt -- ------------------------------ Matthew Birger Patrick Knutsen (http://sofus.hiof.no/~matthebk) "Racing cars is like dancing with a chainsaw" -Cale Yarborough Cheek Racing Cars (http://home.sn.no/~kareknut/) Please Remove "NoSpam" from my E-mail adress when replying! -------------------------------

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> >I, too, have the In Car 956 video and the Nurburgring footage w/Bell is some > >of the most awesome footage I have seen. Exciting stuff! > >-- > Hi, > Who is the publisher of this video? A catalogue number would be useful > too. I see an early Christmas present beckoning... > Cheers, > Alan Head

Alan, It's a british company called DUKE Marketing. Searching for a number....I'll be back.. Matt -- ------------------------------ Matthew Birger Patrick Knutsen (http://sofus.hiof.no/~matthebk) "Racing cars is like dancing with a chainsaw" -Cale Yarborough Cheek Racing Cars (http://home.sn.no/~kareknut/) Please Remove "NoSpam" from my E-mail adress when replying! -------------------------------

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> >I, too, have the In Car 956 video and the Nurburgring footage w/Bell is some > >of the most awesome footage I have seen. Exciting stuff! > >-- > Hi, > Who is the publisher of this video? A catalogue number would be useful > too. I see an early Christmas present beckoning... > Cheers, > Alan Head

Duke Marketing, http://Duke-video.com 47 1624 62 36 34, 24 hrs... Matt -- ------------------------------ Matthew Birger Patrick Knutsen (http://sofus.hiof.no/~matthebk) "Racing cars is like dancing with a chainsaw" -Cale Yarborough Cheek Racing Cars (http://home.sn.no/~kareknut/) Please Remove "NoSpam" from my E-mail adress when replying! -------------------------------

>> Yepp, and for each step you have to hit the Enter key once! ;^) >Hey!! >It's summer games 5000m dash all over again!! Now who said something >about "bring back the playable games...?" <g> Hee Hee ! This reminds me of two racing titles. 1) E***bike. NES(1984) I still have fun racing it and creating courses. When you crashed you had to run to your bike and if you pressed the "B" button you were running faster :) 2) Road Rash. PC (1994?) If I remember Papyrus went into the creation of this game. And when you crashed, you had to run to your car by pressing a button.... So YES !! Papy could implant the running into GPL ! ! They done it for another racing title before !! Hee Hee With great respect, May the downforce be with you, Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-) Fran?ois Mnard, "ymenard" on NROS Team member, Zombie Entreprise Sponsored by AWPSS, http://www.awpss.com/ SimRacing director, AWPSS Official PR, AWPSS Director, The SimRacing Hall-of-Fame Co-director, Light-Speed - *Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking) * -

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>> Who is the publisher of this video? A catalogue number would be useful >> too. I see an early Christmas present beckoning... >> Cheers, >> Alan Head >Duke Marketing, >http://Duke-video.com >47 1624 62 36 34, 24 hrs...

Thanks Matt! Alan Head ************************* Screamer 2 homepages: http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm ----------------------------------------- Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm __________________________________________

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>>Certainly not! I would be greatly disappointed if the "Nordschleife" >>(the *real* Nuerburgring; the 20+ kilometers track, not the modern GP >>track) was missing from the sim. After all, I have to practise the >>left-hand corner following the "Fuchsroehre", where I destroyed my >>Toyota Celica twelve years ago... and I'd like to see the remainder of >>the circuit, too. Didn't have the chance back then... ;) >Your post sparked off an idea for me. Is it still possible to drive on >the Nordschlieffe in a standard road car. I seem to remember that >there was a charge of 20DM per lap?

I think it's still possible, and I also think your idea about the cost is approximately correct. Be aware that no insurance is included in the fee, though... Sometimes, there are still races on the Nordschleife (touring cars, mainly, and vintage cars). On those occasions, the track is not open to the public, obviously. ^^^^^^ truly insular mentality, or is it? :) When going from Spa to Switzerland, you almost have to go by the Nuerburgring. I'd recommend visiting it in any case. They have a nice little museum, too. If you have the chance to drive on the track, be warned - it looks in many places just like a harmless country road, but it isn't. The turn where I wrecked my car, for instance, is slightly banked - in the wrong direction... -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. wopr"at"stud.uni-sb.de \ There is no "2" in my real e-mail address. Uni des Saarlands \ Sorry for the inconvenience. You know why.

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>I think it's still possible, and I also think your idea about the cost >is approximately correct. Be aware that no insurance is included in >the fee, though... Sometimes, there are still races on the >Nordschleife (touring cars, mainly, and vintage cars). On those >occasions, the track is not open to the public, obviously. >>I'm coming over to Europe in > ^^^^^^ > truly insular mentality, or is it? :)

Guilty! I had a German housemate last year at Uni, and he found it very amusing that we still talk about going to Europe or "the Continent". Its totally inbred, I'm afraid. In my experience we have enough problems thinking of ourselves are British as opposed to English, Scottish, etc... That's the kind of thing I'd expect. I certainly have no intention of driving it really fast (although my opinions might change once I've been driving on autobahns for a couple of days!). I'm also getting the Car 956 video, and hopefully GPL will be out before I go (assuming it has the 'Ring), so I might be a bit prepared... Cheers, Alan Head ************************* Screamer 2 homepages: http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/games.htm ----------------------------------------- Grand Prix Legends (from Papyrus) page http://www.feature.demon.co.uk/gpl/gpl.htm __________________________________________

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>>When going from Spa to Switzerland, you almost have to go by the >>Nuerburgring. I'd recommend visiting it in any case. They have a nice >>little museum, too. If you have the chance to drive on the track, be >>warned - it looks in many places just like a harmless country road, >>but it isn't. The turn where I wrecked my car, for instance, is >>slightly banked - in the wrong direction... >That's the kind of thing I'd expect. I certainly have no intention of >driving it really fast (although my opinions might change once I've >been driving on autobahns for a couple of days!). I'm also getting the >Car 956 video, and hopefully GPL will be out before I go (assuming it >has the 'Ring), so I might be a bit prepared...

I wasn't going really fast either, back then. But I also was a stupid kid, and had had my license for just three months. The official speed limit is 100 km/h, I was going approximately 140 through the "Fuchsroehre" (a straight which goes downhill for a few hundred meters, and steeply uphill afterwards.) I wanted to feel a bit of the famed "compression" at the lowest point. Afterwards, I did everything wrong: lifted in the turn, the car became loose, I was too surprized to even brake, let alone counter-steer. The nose of the car turned towards the inside of the turn, we went rectangular to the track and hit the inside planks with a relative velocity of no more than, say, 20 km/h, while still going 80 in the "right" direction. The car left some components of the front bumper and headlights at the barrier, gently did a 270 degree turn and finally stopped properly parked at the righthand side of the track. I had much luck, though: 50 meters further on, there was a work crew repairing the planks where some bozo had hit the wall... Imagine what could have happened if I had hit them. The Nordschleife is like the Mafia - if you don't show "respect," you'll have to pay for it. :) -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. wopr"at"stud.uni-sb.de \ There is no "2" in my real e-mail address. Uni des Saarlands \ Sorry for the inconvenience. You know why.

>Your post sparked off an idea for me. Is it still possible to drive on >the Nordschlieffe in a standard road car. I seem to remember that >there was a charge of 20DM per lap? I'm coming over to Europe in >August (Spa GP followed by Italy) and inbetween I am going to drive >through Germany, Switzerland etc. A stop at the Nurburgring would be >cool, and I also have a Celica (what a truly fine car!) Yes it is still possible. I drove their with my new Volvo V70 in August this summer. I had only driven about 3000 km with the car when I "raced" at the Nordschlieffe. (Hope my boss doesn't find out cause it is a company car). It was very very entertaining. The price was 17 DM per lap. /Magnus

Why would the Nurburgring be too large? Are you reffering to the sheer length of the circuit as a sim problem or our problems learning such a challenging circuit? I cannot wait to get my teeth into it! There are very long stages in Network Q RAC Rally, not the same thing but close, so the only difficulty is accurately recreating the circuit. The other GPL circuit I really want to try is the full length Spa: just over 8 miles with the fearsome Masta kink. If GPL is any good it will be worth a full system overhaul. Gerhard > I think Nurburgring would be a little too large for a PC game

I think Nurburgring would be a little too large for a PC game