GPL AVI on GameSpot

Papyrus has released a pre-alpha AVI of Grand Prix Legends which is available on GameSpot at http://headline.gamespot.com/news/ There has been a lot of good discussion on r.a.s. recently concerning physics and realism in racing simulations. It is clear that there are folks on the newsgroup who are knowledgable about what makes a sim great. With that in mind, we decided to release the GPL AVI to show people how the development of the project is coming along, and what Papyrus is aiming for. We hope to release further AVIs as the development of the project continues so everyone is kept a*** of where the project stands. In this AVI, Dave Kaemmer (Papyrus' principle engineer) and Matt Sentell (GPL Producer) race each other around one lap of Monza. The AVI should pretty much speak for itself, but one interesting aspect is the two different driving styles of Dave and Matt. Although they both do comparable lap times, Matt (in the second car) is very smooth and steady throughout the couse. Dave, on the other hand, is really tossing the car around, mostly just because he can. Neither style seems to be faster, although Dave's showboating ultimately results in his demise, as you will see at the end of the AVI. If anyone has any questions about GPL after viewing the AVI, I will do my best to answer them. Matt and Dave themselves are pretty busy getting the work done, (when they aren't racing GPL, that is) and they asked that I follow up with the AVI on their behalf. Mike Lescault Online Development Manager Papyrus Design Group

Mike, I just want to say THANKS for keeping us informed and involved and for showing that you and your company are sincerely interested in our opinions on your upcoming products. I for one, REALLY appreciate it!!!! Thanks again, Todd : : : Papyrus has released a pre-alpha AVI of Grand Prix Legends which is : available on GameSpot at [link lost in import] : : There has been a lot of good discussion on r.a.s. recently concerning : physics and realism in racing simulations. It is clear that there are : folks on the newsgroup who are knowledgable about what makes a sim : great. : : With that in mind, we decided to release the GPL AVI to show people : how the development of the project is coming along, and what Papyrus : is aiming for. We hope to release further AVIs as the development of : the project continues so everyone is kept a*** of where the project : stands. : : In this AVI, Dave Kaemmer (Papyrus' principle engineer) and Matt : Sentell (GPL Producer) race each other around one lap of Monza. The : AVI should pretty much speak for itself, but one interesting aspect is : the two different driving styles of Dave and Matt. Although they both : do comparable lap times, Matt (in the second car) is very smooth and : steady throughout the couse. Dave, on the other hand, is really : tossing the car around, mostly just because he can. Neither style : seems to be faster, although Dave's showboating ultimately results in : his demise, as you will see at the end of the AVI. : : If anyone has any questions about GPL after viewing the AVI, I will do : my best to answer them. Matt and Dave themselves are pretty busy : getting the work done, (when they aren't racing GPL, that is) and they : asked that I follow up with the AVI on their behalf. : : Mike Lescault : Online Development Manager : Papyrus Design Group : : :

Oh man, why doesn't GameSpot use FTP? HTTP absolutely blows for downloading files... -- Eric T. Busch http://ebusch.akorn.net >Papyrus has released a pre-alpha AVI of Grand Prix Legends which is >available on GameSpot at http://headline.gamespot.com/news/

Thank you, Mike, for advising us of this and also for providing information on the development of GPL. -- Bruce. "I envy people who drink. At least they have something to blame everything on." (Oscar Levant)

I just saw the AVI and it looks absolutelly amazing. I have never seen "car dynamics" like this. I must say all the other sims fade in comparison to what you see in the AVI. Holding 4-wheel drifts and powerslides through corners. Anyone, who even compares this to anything that is out there at the momennt obviously hasn't seen this AVI or doesn't have a clue about car dynamics. This is a must see for all you sim junkies out there!! David Mocnay

I downloaded the AVI, and all I can say is: GREAT STUFF!!!! Wow, I am sure now everyone will start complaining that the game is still not released, but take your time, and make this the best sim ever! Thanx, Harald

Hello Sim-Fans ! Where's the Avi ? I always get the following Message : File Not Found The requested URL /pub/gsnews/97_11/26_grandprix/gpl320.zip was not found on this server. Any ideas or URL's ?? Greetings Klaus

>Where's the Avi ? Hi Kelbert, the URL is: http://download.news.gamespot.com/pub/gsnews/97_11/25_grandprix/gpl32... Cheers! Remco

Damn! They already removed the AVI (1997.11.27). I was not able to download it yesterday, it was always canceling my download (why didn't they use FTP????). Does anyone know where I can get that AVI? Thank you! Martin Simard

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>Hello Sim-Fans ! >>Papyrus has released a pre-alpha AVI of Grand Prix Legends which is >>available on GameSpot at http://headline.gamespot.com/news/ >Where's the Avi ? >I always get the following Message : >File Not Found >The requested URL /pub/gsnews/97_11/26_grandprix/gpl320.zip was not >found on this server. >Any ideas or URL's ??

I downloaded the .avi w/o any problems from the site mentioned above. Having just bought a state-of-the-art 56K modem, I went for the "bigger version" though... 50 mins at 4.3KB/s. For those of you who have seen the video, doesn't Dave Kaemmer's excursion into the gravel at the end look a bit strange? To me, it appears as if he's almost coming to a stop, and then applies throttle to deliberately turn. Or am I mistaken? The cars (or should I say _the car_? Seems like Jim Clark is racing Jim Clark in his #5 Lotus) look marvelous. The rounded cigar-shape is very accurate, and there are many, many polygons in the rear suspension. Actually, I'm glad this sim won't be out until next summer - more time to save for major hardware upgrades... ;) -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome. wopr"at"stud.uni-sb.de \ There is no "2" in my real e-mail address. Uni des Saarlands \ Sorry for the inconvenience. You know why.

>The cars (or should I say _the car_? Seems like Jim Clark is racing >Jim Clark in his #5 Lotus) look marvelous. The rounded cigar-shape is >very accurate, and there are many, many polygons in the rear >suspension. Actually, I'm glad this sim won't be out until next summer >- more time to save for major hardware upgrades... ;) Remember !! GameCenter.com (I think) said that with a Pentium 90 you could have 30fps in GPL ! ;-) heh yeah it is possible. In VGA and with a 8meg 3D accelerator card ;-) (joking!). Seriously, I am not able to download the video me neither. The link for the videos found here : http://headline.gamespot.com/news/97_11/26_grandprix/index.html show us nothing. We can't access to the zip files of the videos. Why ?? Fran?ois Mnard, "ymenard" on NROS Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/

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>>Where's the Avi ? >Hi Kelbert, >the URL is: >http://download.news.gamespot.com/pub/gsnews/97_11/25_grandprix/gpl32...

Got It !!! :-))) Thanks a lot! Greetings Klaus

Thanks a lot for the AVI Mike, very interesting to see where the project is at the moment. It's incredibly difficult to draw any conclusions from the AVIs, since all they can really show is the graphics and sound, both obviously far from the finished article. The driving looks very nice (perhaps a bit too slidy?), but impossible to evaluate without actually driving the car, since I could do slides like this in GP2 by turning off all help except opposite lock ;) (Okay, the car didn't drift like that, only exit oversteer, but you catch my "drift" - you need to drive it to know). Sound seems a bit wierd, is that the final one? Perhaps it's just the quality of the AVI but it doesn't sound like a 60's F1 car should (unless that sound is just put in from another product to get the game working?). Thanks again for the AVI, and hopefully you can give us some regular snippets on how things are progressing :) Cheers! John

On Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:31:46 -0500, "Martin Simard" >Damn! They already removed the AVI (1997.11.27). I was not able to download >it yesterday, it was always canceling my download (why didn't they use >FTP????). >Does anyone know where I can get that AVI? Hi Martin, I have both, so if you require them I'll stick them onto my FTP site and post the address here for everyone. Let me know if you still require that. Cheers! John

One thing that does bother me about the movie is the sound.. Sounds a bit like N2, I hope this won't be the "final" sound in the sim. take care jd ------------------------------------------------------------------ Hungry for NEWSGROUPS??? USE feedME.ORG Read and Post to 30,000 groups through feedME.ORG FREE FREE FREE http://www.feedME.ORG FREE FREE FREE ------------------------------------------------------------------

>On Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:31:46 -0500, "Martin Simard" >>Damn! They already removed the AVI (1997.11.27). I was not able to download

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>>it yesterday, it was always canceling my download (why didn't they use >>FTP????). >>Does anyone know where I can get that AVI? >Hi Martin, >I have both, so if you require them I'll stick them onto my FTP site >and post the address here for everyone. Let me know if you still >require that.

No, thanks a lot, I've been able to continue the download (I didn't know IE4 would do that with HTTP download?????), anyway I have it and it looks promising. It will be great to try that big Nurburgring. Thanks again! Martin Simard

>>I have both, so if you require them I'll stick them onto my FTP site >and post the address here for everyone. Let me know if you still >require that. John, Is the other video (i.e small version) any different apart from a smaller d/l and/or resolution (size) ?? ed_ on NROS Edwin Solheim, Norway http//:home.sol.no/~solhmrek "Early on, the cars were getting faster and faster. And with good reason: everybody was cheating." - Richard Petty

Hi John, yes ,if possible ,I'd like to know the url where i can DL. from your site.I'm getting a estimated download time of 3h+ from gamespot Thanks in advance Rafael > On Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:31:46 -0500, "Martin Simard" > >Damn! They already removed the AVI (1997.11.27). I was not able to download

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> >it yesterday, it was always canceling my download (why didn't they use > >FTP????). > >Does anyone know where I can get that AVI? > Hi Martin, > I have both, so if you require them I'll stick them onto my FTP site > and post the address here for everyone. Let me know if you still > require that. > Cheers! > John

I thought the same thing about the sound. I guess Nascar's technology today is equal to Grand Prix technology in 1967 :-) I did like the view of the drivers hands moving in the***pit from the overhead view. I did see a post of a screen shot of the in***pit view. I truly hope that they give the option to have the "traditional" up until now view of the dash and front wheels only. The screen shot showed the drivers arms on the wheel and the view seemed very far back. The car, the arms, and the dash blocked allot of the view of the track from this far back position. I also don't want to see these two cartoon stick arms moving on the wheel while my cartoon stick arms are driving a real wheel :-) Thanks John like N2, I hope this won't be the "final" sound in the sim.

On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:25:01 +0100, "Edwin Solheim" >Is the other video (i.e small version) any different apart from a smaller >d/l and/or resolution (size) ?? Both are the same, just a different resolution (and hence size). Bigger just looks nicer and more detail. Cheers! John

On 28 Nov 1997 22:51:17 GMT, "rafael medeiros" >Hi John, >yes ,if possible ,I'd like to know the url where i can DL. from your >site.I'm getting a estimated download time of 3h+ from gamespot >Thanks in advance >Rafael Okay, I'll put it into the public directory of my FTP site later tonight. I'll post the IP address and directory later. Cheers! John

FYI, I saw it running in native Rendition mode on a V1000 equipped P200 and the framerate was VERY smooth. Considering it was pre-alpha and there is a lot of optimization to go, I wouldn't worry too much about the framerate (especially if you have a good 3D card). -- Eric T. Busch http://ebusch.akorn.net >Remember !! GameCenter.com (I think) said that with a Pentium 90 you could >have 30fps in GPL ! ;-) >heh yeah it is possible. In VGA and with a 8meg 3D accelerator card ;-) >(joking!).