iRacing = crack in a box

The NDA has been lifted for iRacing. And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. It's the most addicting thing a simracer will get since the end of the NROS. It's that amazing. Sure it's not finished yet, but it will open in less than a month so you guys better start preparing yourself if you ever want to start simracing again. Let me rephrase this : iRacing is so good (physics, track modelling, multi racing experience) that it made me come back from retirement, made me buy a 1500$ PC and a G25 wheel. Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back.

[email hidden] () wrote: > Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given up gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing in it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) Andrew McP

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> [email hidden] () wrote: > >> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. > > I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given up > gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on > for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. > > It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing in > it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) > > Andrew McP > >

Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not good enough to justify the pricing to me.

And off we go.... :) -Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The NDA has been lifted for iRacing. > > > And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. It's the > most > addicting thing a simracer will get since the end of the NROS. It's > that > amazing. Sure it's not finished yet, but it will open in less than a > month > so you guys better start preparing yourself if you ever want to start > simracing again. > > > Let me rephrase this : iRacing is so good (physics, track modelling, > multi > racing experience) that it made me come back from retirement, made me > buy a > 1500$ PC and a G25 wheel. > > > > Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back.

Then it's not for you Jack. No problem. It's not expected to be for everyone. However, your post completely side-steps the community, competition and other aspects of iRacing. There is a lot more to it than comparing the sim itself against sim xxxxxx. -Larry "Jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Andrew MacPherson wrote: >> [email hidden] () wrote: >> >>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >> >> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given up >> gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on >> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. >> >> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing in >> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) >> >> Andrew McP >> >> > Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be > subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much > better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not good > enough to justify the pricing to me.

There is a lot more and lot less to it compared to other sims. How you see the glass will impact who joins. The sim community is traditionally an open varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, with open mods, group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc. iRacing is none of that as I understand it. iRacing is more about regimented organized racing on a grand scale with a central rules board running all aspects, which has both good and bad aspects. Time will tell how it goes, but I personally think the pricing plus strict rules and dictated racing divisions may turn a lot away from it. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:02g2k.3741$[email hidden]...

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> Then it's not for you Jack. No problem. It's not expected to be for > everyone. > > However, your post completely side-steps the community, competition and > other aspects of iRacing. There is a lot more to it than comparing the > sim itself against sim xxxxxx. > > -Larry > > "Jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Andrew MacPherson wrote: >>> [email hidden] () wrote: >>> >>>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >>> >>> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given >>> up >>> gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on >>> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. >>> >>> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing >>> in >>> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) >>> >>> Andrew McP >>> >>> >> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be >> subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much >> better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not >> good enough to justify the pricing to me. >

Valid points. And exactly why I like the idea. If I'm being honest, I... 1. Am tired of online crash fests. 2. Truly, TRULY sick of the whole mod thing. Really, I am. I just wanna race these days without all that nonsense. 3. Love the idea of a centralized scoring system. 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names. 5. People being responsible for their actions. And a bunch more. -Larry "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ktg2k.20$L03.9@edtnps92...

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> There is a lot more and lot less to it compared to other sims. How you > see the glass will impact who joins. The sim community is traditionally > an open varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, > with open mods, group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc. iRacing is > none of that as I understand it. iRacing is more about regimented > organized racing on a grand scale with a central rules board running all > aspects, which has both good and bad aspects. > > Time will tell how it goes, but I personally think the pricing plus strict > rules and dictated racing divisions may turn a lot away from it. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:02g2k.3741$[email hidden]... >> Then it's not for you Jack. No problem. It's not expected to be for >> everyone. >> >> However, your post completely side-steps the community, competition and >> other aspects of iRacing. There is a lot more to it than comparing the >> sim itself against sim xxxxxx. >> >> -Larry >> >> "Jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> Andrew MacPherson wrote: >>>> [email hidden] () wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >>>> >>>> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given >>>> up >>>> gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched >>>> on >>>> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. >>>> >>>> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing >>>> in >>>> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) >>>> >>>> Andrew McP >>>> >>>> >>> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be >>> subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much >>> better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not >>> good enough to justify the pricing to me. >> > >

I agree on a lot of your points as well, I'm just saying many wont as its a big change all round for the sim community. At that price I personally don't think I will bother, with work and personal life I suspect I wouldn't use it enough to justify the time I could spend racing. Plus to do it right I would want a setup on my LCD TV, not at my primary PC and that seems like a lot for one game. For the last while I've basically given up on PC gaming at gone the console route, lot less headaches and much quicker to pop on and play. I'll wait and see how iRacing progresses I guess and then see down the road if it may be a worthwhile investment. I managed a fulltime multi series N2003 league for years and know the pros and cons of all involved, iRacing is a good concept, I'm just not sure how it will fly with their divisional/licensing structure and subscription model. To me it seems to lack the personal close group feel that leagues bring to the racing, and makes it much more sterile and dictated. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XYg2k.3839$[email hidden]...

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> Valid points. And exactly why I like the idea. > > If I'm being honest, I... > > 1. Am tired of online crash fests. > 2. Truly, TRULY sick of the whole mod thing. Really, I am. I just wanna > race these days without all that nonsense. > 3. Love the idea of a centralized scoring system. > 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names. > 5. People being responsible for their actions. > > And a bunch more. > > -Larry > > "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ktg2k.20$L03.9@edtnps92... >> There is a lot more and lot less to it compared to other sims. How you >> see the glass will impact who joins. The sim community is traditionally >> an open varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, >> with open mods, group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc. iRacing is >> none of that as I understand it. iRacing is more about regimented >> organized racing on a grand scale with a central rules board running all >> aspects, which has both good and bad aspects. >> >> Time will tell how it goes, but I personally think the pricing plus >> strict rules and dictated racing divisions may turn a lot away from it. >> >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:02g2k.3741$[email hidden]... >>> Then it's not for you Jack. No problem. It's not expected to be for >>> everyone. >>> >>> However, your post completely side-steps the community, competition and >>> other aspects of iRacing. There is a lot more to it than comparing the >>> sim itself against sim xxxxxx. >>> >>> -Larry >>> >>> "Jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>>> Andrew MacPherson wrote: >>>>> [email hidden] () wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >>>>> >>>>> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given >>>>> up >>>>> gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched >>>>> on >>>>> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. >>>>> >>>>> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing >>>>> in >>>>> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Andrew McP >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be >>>> subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much >>>> better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not >>>> good enough to justify the pricing to me. >>> >> >> >

Again, very valid points. I commend you for actually stating what you like, dislike, and your concerns instead of just saying "It will never fly". You would have made a good beta tester :) Here's another thought. You can spend more than $20 for a dinner (hell, for a LUNCH these days!). Twice that for a movie with all the trimmings. You get the point. I think a lot of people would benefit by tossing that one $20 bill at it for the single month to really give them the info they need to make a good, solid decision. I'd hate to see people miss out because they are going by what naysayers say, instead of experiencing it themselves. Just something to think about :) -Larry "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:66h2k.34$L03.10@edtnps92...

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>I agree on a lot of your points as well, I'm just saying many wont as its a >big change all round for the sim community. > > At that price I personally don't think I will bother, with work and > personal life I suspect I wouldn't use it enough to justify the time I > could spend racing. Plus to do it right I would want a setup on my LCD > TV, not at my primary PC and that seems like a lot for one game. For the > last while I've basically given up on PC gaming at gone the console route, > lot less headaches and much quicker to pop on and play. I'll wait and see > how iRacing progresses I guess and then see down the road if it may be a > worthwhile investment. > > I managed a fulltime multi series N2003 league for years and know the pros > and cons of all involved, iRacing is a good concept, I'm just not sure how > it will fly with their divisional/licensing structure and subscription > model. To me it seems to lack the personal close group feel that leagues > bring to the racing, and makes it much more sterile and dictated. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XYg2k.3839$[email hidden]... >> Valid points. And exactly why I like the idea. >> >> If I'm being honest, I... >> >> 1. Am tired of online crash fests. >> 2. Truly, TRULY sick of the whole mod thing. Really, I am. I just >> wanna race these days without all that nonsense. >> 3. Love the idea of a centralized scoring system. >> 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names. >> 5. People being responsible for their actions. >> >> And a bunch more. >> >> -Larry >> >> "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Ktg2k.20$L03.9@edtnps92... >>> There is a lot more and lot less to it compared to other sims. How you >>> see the glass will impact who joins. The sim community is traditionally >>> an open varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, >>> with open mods, group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc. iRacing is >>> none of that as I understand it. iRacing is more about regimented >>> organized racing on a grand scale with a central rules board running all >>> aspects, which has both good and bad aspects. >>> >>> Time will tell how it goes, but I personally think the pricing plus >>> strict rules and dictated racing divisions may turn a lot away from it. >>> >>> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:02g2k.3741$[email hidden]... >>>> Then it's not for you Jack. No problem. It's not expected to be for >>>> everyone. >>>> >>>> However, your post completely side-steps the community, competition and >>>> other aspects of iRacing. There is a lot more to it than comparing the >>>> sim itself against sim xxxxxx. >>>> >>>> -Larry >>>> >>>> "Jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>> news:[email hidden]... >>>>> Andrew MacPherson wrote: >>>>>> [email hidden] () wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost >>>>>> given up >>>>>> gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched >>>>>> on >>>>>> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. >>>>>> >>>>>> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with >>>>>> iRacing in >>>>>> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew McP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be >>>>> subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much >>>>> better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not >>>>> good enough to justify the pricing to me. >>>> >>> >>> >> > >

schooner wrote: > The sim community is traditionally an open > varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, with open > mods, group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc. It depends how old you are what is traditional :) The community you described evolved after the mainstream developers departed (Papyrus) or lost their way (Crammond). For many more years than we have had small studios and enthusiast groups we had a staedy flow of blockbuster releases that the vast majority of sim racers used. The fragmented result of sim racing anarchy without any form of common ground or organisation (FILSCA tried and failed) has led to the concept of pick up racing as being a waste of time. iRacing promises to give us back the de facto sim aligned with an innovative organisational system to make pick up racing (arrive and drive) of the highest quality along with league formats rather than aimless races. Of course a new hobby of modding which people enjoy and provide enjoyment to many has developed and that will be catered for by other products which will continue to flourish as iRacing won't cater for these. Though in my view this isn't the roots of sim racing. Cheers Tony

Ok. So what am I going to need to bring to the dance to get the most out of this sim? I dropped out of the Beta a loooong time ago from cancer, and while things are much better (still alive, obviously) I really haven't kept my computer up to bleeding edge. I have a p4 3Gig Extreme with 2 gigs of Ram, and I will be getting a new video card (maybe) if these bare bones will work. If not, then I am going to wait and build a new system. I really feel this is the type of game/sim I want now. Not just because it is very local for me with Legends, Modifieds, and Late Models. But as someone who beta tested and played Motor City Online, I have always wanted a "serious" type of racing MMO, and this looks to be it. btgoss

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> Ok. > So what am I going to need to bring to the dance to get the most out > of this sim? > > I dropped out of the Beta a loooong time ago from cancer, and while > things are much better (still alive, obviously) I really haven't kept > my computer up to bleeding edge. > I have a p4 3Gig Extreme with 2 gigs of Ram, and I will be getting a > new video card (maybe) if these bare bones will work. If not, then I > am going to wait and build a new system.

That sounds fine, many seem to be running the beta with much lower specs. Obviously the better the video card the better. Is it a PCI-Express card slot? Glad to hear you are better. Cheers Tony

Andrew MacPherson wrote: > I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given up > gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on > for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. Better turn the filter on, not a single "it's no GPL" in the house...

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> Ok. > So what am I going to need to bring to the dance to get the most out > of this sim? > > I dropped out of the Beta a loooong time ago from cancer, and while > things are much better (still alive, obviously) I really haven't kept > my computer up to bleeding edge. > I have a p4 3Gig Extreme with 2 gigs of Ram, and I will be getting a > new video card (maybe) if these bare bones will work. If not, then I > am going to wait and build a new system. > > I really feel this is the type of game/sim I want now. Not just > because it is very local for me with Legends, Modifieds, and Late > Models. But as someone who beta tested and played Motor City Online, I > have always wanted a "serious" type of racing MMO, and this looks to > be it. > > btgoss >

Depending on how recent you were testing,you can probably get by with what you have.I was on it today and the new updates from IRacing increased my fps from 83 to 172. I will say the graphics are outstanding,car feel is excellent,the racing I have done in testing has been fun except it seems to use the old papy net code.Not really sure tho,but the ARCA sim seems much better in it's online code.Thats the only negative I found in testing.If the pricing and structure are something you can live with,then by all means go for it,you won't be disapointed.

I'm really lucky then......... I get points 1 THROUGH 5 -inclusive- completely satisfied in the leagues I am in now (rFactor) And my cost PER month, PER car, PER track - ZERO (or PRICELESS) ;) You're absolutely right Larry, it (iRacing) is not for everyone. It's going to be interesting to see how it develops. ==--== "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XYg2k.3839$[email hidden]...

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> Valid points. And exactly why I like the idea. > > If I'm being honest, I... > > 1. Am tired of online crash fests. > 2. Truly, TRULY sick of the whole mod thing. Really, I am. I just wanna > race these days without all that nonsense. > 3. Love the idea of a centralized scoring system. > 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names. > 5. People being responsible for their actions. > > And a bunch more. > > -Larry > > "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ktg2k.20$L03.9@edtnps92... >> There is a lot more and lot less to it compared to other sims. How you >> see the glass will impact who joins. The sim community is traditionally >> an open varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, >> with open mods, group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc. iRacing is >> none of that as I understand it. iRacing is more about regimented >> organized racing on a grand scale with a central rules board running all >> aspects, which has both good and bad aspects. >> >> Time will tell how it goes, but I personally think the pricing plus >> strict rules and dictated racing divisions may turn a lot away from it. >> >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:02g2k.3741$[email hidden]... >>> Then it's not for you Jack. No problem. It's not expected to be for >>> everyone. >>> >>> However, your post completely side-steps the community, competition and >>> other aspects of iRacing. There is a lot more to it than comparing the >>> sim itself against sim xxxxxx. >>> >>> -Larry >>> >>> "Jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:[email hidden]... >>>> Andrew MacPherson wrote: >>>>> [email hidden] () wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >>>>> >>>>> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given >>>>> up >>>>> gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched >>>>> on >>>>> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. >>>>> >>>>> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing >>>>> in >>>>> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Andrew McP >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be >>>> subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much >>>> better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not >>>> good enough to justify the pricing to me. >>> >> >> >

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> The NDA has been lifted for iRacing. > > > And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. It's the > most > addicting thing a simracer will get since the end of the NROS. It's > that > amazing. Sure it's not finished yet, but it will open in less than a > month > so you guys better start preparing yourself if you ever want to start > simracing again. > > > Let me rephrase this : iRacing is so good (physics, track modelling, > multi > racing experience) that it made me come back from retirement, made me > buy a > 1500$ PC and a G25 wheel. > > > > Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >

So they made you make this post to get your free copy of iRacing, huh?

Jack <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be > subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much > better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not > good enough to justify the pricing to me. > Thanks for being honest, unlike the other sycphantic beta tester.What you posted is what I suspected all along.

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> > 1. Am tired of online crash fests. > 2. Truly, TRULY sick of the whole mod thing. Really, I am. I just > wanna race these days without all that nonsense. > 3. Love the idea of a centralized scoring system. > 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names. > 5. People being responsible for their actions. > > And a bunch more. > > -Larry

Then why didn't you just buy Live For Speed? It has all that you want (real name is optional) and does't have a monthly subscription fee.

If you can run today's sims without trouble, iRacing will be fine. -Larry "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Ok. > So what am I going to need to bring to the dance to get the most out > of this sim? > > I dropped out of the Beta a loooong time ago from cancer, and while > things are much better (still alive, obviously) I really haven't kept > my computer up to bleeding edge. > I have a p4 3Gig Extreme with 2 gigs of Ram, and I will be getting a > new video card (maybe) if these bare bones will work. If not, then I > am going to wait and build a new system. > > I really feel this is the type of game/sim I want now. Not just > because it is very local for me with Legends, Modifieds, and Late > Models. But as someone who beta tested and played Motor City Online, I > have always wanted a "serious" type of racing MMO, and this looks to > be it. > > btgoss >

I have Live For Speed. Haven't run it in over 2 years. I can tell from your posts that you don't need any input on this, either way. You've made up your mind. That's fine. -Larry "House Of The White Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_ij2k.10657$C12.9732@pd7urf3no...

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:XYg2k.3839$[email hidden]: > >> >> 1. Am tired of online crash fests. >> 2. Truly, TRULY sick of the whole mod thing. Really, I am. I just >> wanna race these days without all that nonsense. >> 3. Love the idea of a centralized scoring system. >> 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names. >> 5. People being responsible for their actions. >> >> And a bunch more. >> >> -Larry > > Then why didn't you just buy Live For Speed? It has all that you want > (real > name is optional) and does't have a monthly subscription fee.

> 1. Am tired of online crash fests.Turn collision mode off. > 2. Truly, TRULY sick of the whole mod thing.Then don't download any. > 3. Love the idea of a centralized scoring system.Aren't the scores for each game kept on a game specific central computer? > 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names.That way the road rage types have plenty of time to amass a proper collection of weapons before paying a retribution visit. > 5. People being responsible for their actions.Would this mean the road rage guys would have to do their own ammo loading?

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> > And a bunch more. > > -Larry > > "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ktg2k.20$L03.9@edtnps92... >> There is a lot more and lot less to it compared to other sims. How you see the glass will impact who joins. The sim >> community is traditionally an open varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, with open mods, >> group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc. iRacing is none of that as I understand it. iRacing is more about >> regimented organized racing on a grand scale with a central rules board running all aspects, which has both good and >> bad aspects. >> >> Time will tell how it goes, but I personally think the pricing plus strict rules and dictated racing divisions may >> turn a lot away from it. >> >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:02g2k.3741$[email hidden]... >>> Then it's not for you Jack. No problem. It's not expected to be for everyone. >>> >>> However, your post completely side-steps the community, competition and other aspects of iRacing. There is a lot >>> more to it than comparing the sim itself against sim xxxxxx. >>> >>> -Larry >>> >>> "Jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >>>> Andrew MacPherson wrote: >>>>> [email hidden] () wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >>>>> >>>>> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given up >>>>> gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on >>>>> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. >>>>> >>>>> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing in >>>>> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Andrew McP >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not >>>> sure it's that much better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not good enough to justify >>>> the pricing to me. >>> >> >> >

> the concept of pick up racing as being a waste of time. iRacing isn't going to convince my wife otherwise.

> And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. I didn't think iRacing CAME in a box... speedmd

[email hidden] (Tony R) wrote: > Better turn the filter on, not a single "it's no GPL" in the > house... :-) Reading these threads so far, I think I'll be ok. I'm just not the kind of driver this sim's aimed at. I'm far more comfortable racing AI offline, and not having to worry about ruining their day with my mistakes, than paying a regular fee to feel guilty. :-) If there was a 'buy once, drive offline only' version I'd be far happier, even if it had quite a high price. Andrew McP

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> Jack <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be >> subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much >> better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not >> good enough to justify the pricing to me. >> > > Thanks for being honest, unlike the other sycphantic beta tester.What you > posted is what I suspected all along.

We don't want your type of person in iRacing any way.

I cant agree more it'll be so interesting to see how this goes... Yes, there is a market for it and it wont be for everyone.. some thoughts from a guy from UK who used to race NROS..... It has to have $$ (or ��) behind it, it is the only way to ensure everyone is in it for the right reasons.. sure you can find leagues in other sims but i'm also of the opinion that the realism offered via this, from now in the future, will be as close as it'll be... Time: I dont know whether I will sign up, I am almost 28 and was on the NROS as a late teen! I do a load of socccccer and right now I dont know if I can invest what is required, even if money situation is better, i am not one to keep subscriptions going when i dont use them..... 5 years down the line who knows things may be different and i'll want in, we'll just have to see... I think this absolutely has to have a taster. You might say for twenty USD its worth getting it for the one month... but i think even that is a bit much.. perhaps they should look to offer one car (really basic, like a 1300cc hatch), one track, and definitely nothing else but a feel for what it is.. and time limit it to a week or 14hours of seat time etc.. for like.. i dunno the cost of a couple of beers in a respectable bar!.. or the cost of a monthly subscription mag.. eg about 10dollars here. There has to be some kind of taster, one that can only lead to wanting the bigger picture, with nothing of any substance to allow someone to be content using it.. heck i remember the NCR1 demo.. on a 3.5 floppy cover disk!!.. 2 laps of tally qual unrestricted then it quit out, played that more than i played some full games haha. could not wait to get in the order for the full release. I'm sure this can only get better and better and im sure the entire concept will have a issues just like the real thing, im sure people will try to cheat, im sure there will be times when the servers blip.. but the idea of creating an online profile and career where all your actions have consequence (good or bad) and where everyone is there for the same reason, and it'll offer the buzz and thrill of the real thing as close as is possible.. without the danger and the real-world financial situations... well.. im with franc.. im sure this is going to be so sweet!! any uk/euro nros crowd still lurking?? =) -jon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The NDA has been lifted for iRacing. > > > And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. It's the > most > addicting thing a simracer will get since the end of the NROS. It's > that > amazing. Sure it's not finished yet, but it will open in less than a > month > so you guys better start preparing yourself if you ever want to start > simracing again. > > > Let me rephrase this : iRacing is so good (physics, track modelling, > multi > racing experience) that it made me come back from retirement, made me > buy a > 1500$ PC and a G25 wheel. > > > > Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back.

I have to agree with Larry on this one. 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names. > That way the road rage types have plenty of time to amass > a proper collection of weapons before paying a retribution visit. => Really? Only in America... I've tried racing ARCA Sim racing online, but really am tired of those l33t names... RacinDuDz2 and the likes. I've always used my real name and am still alive today. Philippe jeffareid wrote:

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>> 1. Am tired of online crash fests. > Turn collision mode off. > >> 2. Truly, TRULY sick of the whole mod thing. > Then don't download any. > >> 3. Love the idea of a centralized scoring system. > Aren't the scores for each game kept on a game specific central computer? > >> 4. Love the idea of people racing under their REAL names. > That way the road rage types have plenty of time to amass > a proper collection of weapons before paying a retribution visit. > >> 5. People being responsible for their actions. > Would this mean the road rage guys would have to do their own > ammo loading? > > > > > > > > >> And a bunch more. >> >> -Larry >> >> "schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ktg2k.20$L03.9@edtnps92... >>> There is a lot more and lot less to it compared to other sims. How you see the glass will impact who joins. The sim >>> community is traditionally an open varied community with a lot of small groups doing varied things, with open mods, >>> group leagues, custom tracks, add-ons, etc. iRacing is none of that as I understand it. iRacing is more about >>> regimented organized racing on a grand scale with a central rules board running all aspects, which has both good and >>> bad aspects. >>> >>> Time will tell how it goes, but I personally think the pricing plus strict rules and dictated racing divisions may >>> turn a lot away from it. >>> >>> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:02g2k.3741$[email hidden]... >>>> Then it's not for you Jack. No problem. It's not expected to be for everyone. >>>> >>>> However, your post completely side-steps the community, competition and other aspects of iRacing. There is a lot >>>> more to it than comparing the sim itself against sim xxxxxx. >>>> >>>> -Larry >>>> >>>> "Jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >>>>> Andrew MacPherson wrote: >>>>>> [email hidden] () wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >>>>>> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given up >>>>>> gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on >>>>>> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. >>>>>> >>>>>> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing in >>>>>> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew McP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not >>>>> sure it's that much better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not good enough to justify >>>>> the pricing to me. >>> > >

Cowboy Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in news:PEv2k.27475$[email hidden]: > => Really? Only in America... I've tried racing ARCA Sim racing > online, but really am tired of those l33t names... RacinDuDz2 and the > likes. I've always used my real name and am still alive today. > Never heard of anyone with a real name like "Cowboy Bob" before. Cool. Have to say though, only morons use their real name on the internet.

"Roger Longcock" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:4Oq2k.96711$[email hidden]: > We don't want your type of person in iRacing any way. > > Well, just to spite you, I might get a subscription anyway. :)

> Never heard of anyone with a real name like "Cowboy Bob" before. Cool. Have > to say though, only morons use their real name on the internet. Why thank you.

> Never heard of anyone with a real name like "Cowboy Bob" before. Cool. Have > to say though, only morons use their real name on the internet. But I see his point. I am BTGoss, that is my name (well initials), it is even on my tag on my car. So, for me I have always raced as myself. I think knowing that I am racing against other people with real names will be good. I remember when DTR was first hitting the scene, and many people used real names or very close versions of their names, and it did seem to make it more "real". Also, I have no proof, but I think people behave better when they are using their real name.

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> Andrew MacPherson wrote: >> [email hidden] () wrote: >> >>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >> >> I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll hate it. I've almost given up >> gaming completely, and the 'beast' down the desk hasn't been switched on >> for weeks. Actually it might nearly be months. >> >> It sounds like I'd better start filtering out any message with iRacing in >> it, just in case anyone starts calling it GPL2. :-) >> >> Andrew McP >> >> > Well I have been testing it about a month,I don't think I'll be > subscribing after release.Yea ,it's good but not sure it's that much > better than the other racing sims that are out there now.At least not > good enough to justify the pricing to me.

[/FIX] ..the HIGH pricing.. [/FIX] :-P and, not sure, but some writers here seems PR of Iracing to me ;-)

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> But I see his point. > I am BTGoss, that is my name (well initials), it is even on my tag on > my car. So, for me I have always raced as myself. > I think knowing that I am racing against other people with real names > will be good. > I remember when DTR was first hitting the scene, and many people used > real names or very close versions of their names, and it did seem to > make it more "real". > Also, I have no proof, but I think people behave better when they are > using their real name.

Sometimes people are afraid to say what they really want to say when they use their real name. Not using your real name allows one to say what they want without fear of retribution. That's a big problem with people. There are always those that will use fear and intimidation to shut someone up because they are scumbags. Anyway, you guys saying iRacing will force people to use their real name? Isn't that an invasion of privacy issue?

jeffareid wrote: >> Never heard of anyone with a real name like "Cowboy Bob" before. Cool. Have >> to say though, only morons use their real name on the internet. > > Why thank you. > > Saw that one coming from a mile. To me, there's a difference between using my real name and reply e-mail address in a very public newsgroup (with the chance of being spammed to death...) and using my real name in a racing "sim", which needs a login to enter. And it makes chatting much more easier than "Hey R2D2c00Lman, nice lap" vs "Hey Phil, nice lap". If by some remote chance a real race driver is on there, you could always say: I've raced against so and so online. I'll let you be the judge of that. I've been racing online since TEN, I still have the printout of the race results and people I raced against used real name (or close enough... YMenard for example ;). It made it alot easier to remember them after all those years and at least I felt like I was racing versus another fellow race instead of some 12 year old wrecker... Plus I really liked the fact that one of the posters didn't use his real name for fear for physical retribution. I don't know if this is a joke. I don't know from which country he's from. I'm Canadian, and I doubt one of my fellow citizens would ever wish to physically harm me; I also doubt anyone outside this country would travel to this remote place to do violence to me. And of course, you had to point out the name thing just to feel superior. I'm surprised you didn't also make fun of my grammar or sentence construction. You didn't even bring any other argument why you would prefer a racer under a real name in comparison to a really fake one that's not even close to any known language.

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> btgoss <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> But I see his point. >> I am BTGoss, that is my name (well initials), it is even on my tag on >> my car. So, for me I have always raced as myself. >> I think knowing that I am racing against other people with real names >> will be good. >> I remember when DTR was first hitting the scene, and many people used >> real names or very close versions of their names, and it did seem to >> make it more "real". >> Also, I have no proof, but I think people behave better when they are >> using their real name. > > Sometimes people are afraid to say what they really want to say when they > use their real name. Not using your real name allows one to say what they > want without fear of retribution. That's a big problem with people. There > are always those that will use fear and intimidation to shut someone up > because they are scumbags. Anyway, you guys saying iRacing will force > people to use their real name? Isn't that an invasion of privacy issue?

So, Einstein, how are people going to get away with using fear and intimidation in rFactor if they have to use their real names to do it?

I have to completely agree with you there AE It's funny how "honest" "non-one-sided" questions are simply NOT answered. Quick to post praise..... but slow (or stopped) when it comes to answering some simple questions. Hmmmmmmm strange me thinks ==--== > [/FIX] > > :-P > > and, not sure, but some writers here seems PR of Iracing to me ;-) >

<[email hidden]> wrote in... > The NDA has been lifted for iRacing. > > > And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. > It's the most addicting thing a simracer will get since > the end of the NROS. It's that amazing. Wow Franky, coming from you that's one hell of an endorsement. > Let me rephrase this : iRacing is so good (physics, > track modelling, multi racing experience) that it > made me come back from retirement, made me > buy a 1500$ PC and a G25 wheel. > > Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. Obviously, simracing never went anywhere in your absence(*), but I trust your judgement. Welcome back, BTW. Jan. =--- (*): Papyrus just caught up in the trappings of mainstream game developement.

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:02:39 -0700 (PDT), [email hidden] wrote: >And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. It's the >most addicting thing a simracer will get since the end of the NROS. Not for the price they're asking. Crack seems affordable in comparison. Cheers, Rod.

On Jun 9, 5:00 am, Rod <[email hidden]> wrote: > Not for the price they're asking. > > Crack seems affordable in comparison. How much crack do you think you'll get for $150? It's definitely not a year's worth, that's for sure.

One Pizza delivered with Tip can cost you more than a full month of iRacing. So eat Veggies one night :) -Larry "Rod" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:02:39 -0700 (PDT), [email hidden] wrote: > >>And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. It's the >>most addicting thing a simracer will get since the end of the NROS. > > Not for the price they're asking. > > Crack seems affordable in comparison. > > Cheers, > Rod.

On top of that for your $150 +/- you get one year's suscription and a $60 credit to use either for added content (tracks/cars) or put toward your next year's subscription.. That's my understanding anyway. GP >On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 04:43:31 -0700 (PDT), jason moyer <[email hidden]> wrote: >How much crack do you think you'll get for $150? It's definitely not >a year's worth, that's for sure.

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> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:02:39 -0700 (PDT), [email hidden] wrote: > >>And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. It's the >>most addicting thing a simracer will get since the end of the NROS. > > Not for the price they're asking. > > Crack seems affordable in comparison.

You should know, as you're clearly on it.

Cowboy Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in news:HDT2k.973$[email hidden]: > And of course, you had to point out the name thing just to feel > superior. I'm surprised you didn't also make fun of my grammar or > sentence construction. I'm not a spelling cop and I only pointed out the name thing because I thought it was funny that someone who thinks there is some kind of honor in using their real name as opposed to a nymn calls themselves "Cowboy Bob". If I was to call myself Jonathan Seagull how do you know if that is my real name or not? The fact is you don't so there is no reason to use your real name on the internet for anything except business transactions. There are quite a few cases of people getting harassed in RL because they divulged their real name on the internet. They are knaive and gullible. I've been here long enough to know better.

"Roger Longcock" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:x4V2k.32630$[email hidden]: > So, Einstein, how are people going to get away with using fear and > intimidation in rFactor if they have to use their real names to do it? > > Scumbags don't care about such matters because they know that such cases are rarely prosecuted.

The Coward Robert Ford: >Roger Longcock: >> So, Einstein, how are people going to get away with using fear and >> intimidation in rFactor if they have to use their real names to do it? > > Scumbags don't care about such matters because they know that such cases > are rarely prosecuted. Oh, there is an EASY way around it. In my country, it is enough to be prosecuted once BEFORE. First time scumbag wouldn't have too much problems. Second time? Well this is completly different question. So, people, if you have problems, just notice the police about it. Scumbag wouldn't have much problems because of this THAT, first time, so don't expect too much. But if this is his second time! The real truth is that scumbags KNOW what are the consequences of their behaviuor, so, you don't have to be afraid of them. Just mention the police to them, and they will became quiet in a second. They will be tuff on words, but they will be very AFFRAID to do some offence, if they had problems with the police before. Of course, this applies to the country I am living in (Croatia, Europe). -- Mario Petrinovich

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:8qa3k.5085$[email hidden]: > One Pizza delivered with Tip can cost you more than a full month of > iRacing. So eat Veggies one night :) > Frozen pizza is now to the point were it is better than the shite most delivery places give you and costs 1/3 the price too.

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote innews:8qa3k.5085$[email hidden]: > > > One Pizza delivered with Tip can cost you more than a full month of > > iRacing. So eat Veggies one night :) > > Frozen pizza is now to the point were it is better than the shite most > delivery places give you and costs 1/3 the price too.

I dunno where the hell you order pizza from, but that's not the case here.

> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. But for how long? We've been weaned on non-stop variety for two years with rFactor and GTR2. You're going to be content with a half dozen cars and tracks? Yes, there are more but the $ mounts up quick. And there's the protracted, boring apprenticeship with the Solstice and... that other one. Maybe novelty is the real crack.

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:8qa3k.5085$[email hidden]: > >> One Pizza delivered with Tip can cost you more than a full month of >> iRacing. So eat Veggies one night :) >> > > Frozen pizza is now to the point were it is better than the shite most > delivery places give you and costs 1/3 the price too.

Yeah, yeah, you don't like iRacing and, you now what? We don't care. It's mind over matter. We don't mind and you don't matter.

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>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. > > But for how long? We've been weaned on non-stop variety for two years > with rFactor and GTR2. You're going to be content with a half dozen > cars and tracks? Yes, there are more but the $ mounts up quick. And > there's the protracted, boring apprenticeship with the Solstice and... > that other one. Maybe novelty is the real crack.

If that was the case this place would be alive with posts about new mods and tracks rather than discussing the quality of delivery pizzas...

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> [email hidden] wrote: > >> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. > > > But for how long? We've been weaned on non-stop variety for two years > > with rFactor and GTR2. You're going to be content with a half dozen > > cars and tracks? Yes, there are more but the $ mounts up quick. And > > there's the protracted, boring apprenticeship with the Solstice and... > > that other one. Maybe novelty is the real crack. > > If that was the case this place would be alive with posts about new mods > and tracks rather than discussing the quality of delivery pizzas...

Haha, good point. I'll probably get an IR trial membership, nevertheless, out of sheer curiosity.

Ok, a few points, speaking for myself... First, the mess that rFactor has become is exactly what I want to get AWAY from. Second, does iRacing cost? Yes. Is it expensive? Depends on your perspective. When you pays your $156 for a full year, you also get $60 in iRacing $$$ to spend on tracks, cars, etc.... so it's not _that_ bad. And the "protracted, boring apprenticeship with the Solstice and..." thing is only as protracted and boring as you make it. Race clean, and often, and you're out of there in no time. I went through that stage. LOL, several times, actually :) You'll live. -Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. > > But for how long? We've been weaned on non-stop variety for two years > with rFactor and GTR2. You're going to be content with a half dozen > cars and tracks? Yes, there are more but the $ mounts up quick. And > there's the protracted, boring apprenticeship with the Solstice and... > that other one. Maybe novelty is the real crack. >

So just to be clear on your view Larry.... You're saying that rFactor with ALL it's FREE mod content is a "mess" but as long as you have to PAY for new stuff -- then it's "not_that_bad". LOL - kind of funny when you look at it that way isn't it !?! "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aST7k.4704$[email hidden]...

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> Ok, a few points, speaking for myself... > > First, the mess that rFactor has become is exactly what I want to get AWAY > from. > > Second, does iRacing cost? Yes. Is it expensive? Depends on your > perspective. When you pays your $156 for a full year, you also get $60 in > iRacing $$$ to spend on tracks, cars, etc.... so it's not _that_ bad. > > And the "protracted, boring apprenticeship with the Solstice and..." thing > is only as protracted and boring as you make it. Race clean, and often, > and you're out of there in no time. > > I went through that stage. LOL, several times, actually :) You'll live. > > -Larry > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> >>> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back. >> >> But for how long? We've been weaned on non-stop variety for two years >> with rFactor and GTR2. You're going to be content with a half dozen >> cars and tracks? Yes, there are more but the $ mounts up quick. And >> there's the protracted, boring apprenticeship with the Solstice and... >> that other one. Maybe novelty is the real crack. >> >

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:31:59 +0100, Tony R wrote: > If that was the case this place would be alive with posts about new mods > and tracks rather than discussing the quality of delivery pizzas... I'm not sure I can agree with you here, Tony (although I normally do on other matters). Simracing communication is mostly done using those pesky web forums these days (which also is a blessing because it keeps the myspace type kiddies at a safe distance ;-), and I think the recent buzz in here about iRacing ist mostly due to us "old school" GPL types still checking RAS for news every once in a while. So many RASsers have been anxious for iR news that it's no wonder we're discussing it here at the moment, and it 's good to see some old names popping up and being drawn into the conversation again. It's not necessarily due to the "excitement" that racing the milk truck generates, or the frustration caused by that damned incident system ;-) All the best, Uwe --

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> Ok, a few points, speaking for myself... > > First, the mess that rFactor has become is exactly what I want to get AWAY > from. > > Second, does iRacing cost? Yes. Is it expensive? Depends on your > perspective. When you pays your $156 for a full year, you also get $60 in > iRacing $$$ to spend on tracks, cars, etc.... so it's not _that_ bad. > > And the "protracted, boring apprenticeship with the Solstice and..." thing > is only as protracted and boring as you make it. Race clean, and often, > and you're out of there in no time. > > I went through that stage. LOL, several times, actually :) You'll live. > > -Larry >

I like rFactor fine. The main problem is that there are just so many mods......and a lot of them very much the same, that it gets confusing especially online. BTW Larry.......I haven't heard anything from iRacing yet. I have signed up for their newsletter and all but still no word on the invite. Ed

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> So just to be clear on your view Larry.... > > You're saying that rFactor with ALL it's FREE mod content is a "mess" > > but as long as you have to PAY for new stuff -- then it's "not_that_bad". > > LOL - kind of funny when you look at it that way isn't it !?!

You can eat a ton of food at Taco Bell for $9.99, or you can get a great meal at a premium steak house for $50. You can get 'full' at either, but I know I'll enjoy and remember the steak house dinner much more. Taco Bell is great when I'm hungry, only have $10 on me, and don't have the time for the steak house. -- Scott B. Husted� http://www.RacingHistorian.com

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>> If that was the case this place would be alive with posts about new mods >> and tracks rather than discussing the quality of delivery pizzas... > > I'm not sure I can agree with you here, Tony (although I normally do > on other matters). Simracing communication is mostly done using those > pesky web forums these days (which also is a blessing because it keeps > the myspace type kiddies at a safe distance ;-), and I think the > recent buzz in here about iRacing ist mostly due to us "old school" > GPL types still checking RAS for news every once in a while.

The reference was to novelties though, I don't think RAS is the place you will see the novelty "it rocks" posts you will see on the pesky web forums. Those hardened few left will know the real deal when they see and still post up the negatives. In the food analogy that seems to be taking off here iRacing is the high quality restaurant for sure but the menu is limited. If you don't fancy what is on the menu it then best to go elsewhere and check back to see what is new every now and then. If you like what is on offer there is no doubt the quality is top notch. Cheers Tony

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> Uwe Sch�rkamp: >>> If that was the case this place would be alive with posts about new mods >>> and tracks rather than discussing the quality of delivery pizzas... >> >> I'm not sure I can agree with you here, Tony (although I normally do >> on other matters). Simracing communication is mostly done using those >> pesky web forums these days (which also is a blessing because it keeps >> the myspace type kiddies at a safe distance ;-), and I think the >> recent buzz in here about iRacing ist mostly due to us "old school" >> GPL types still checking RAS for news every once in a while. > > The reference was to novelties though, I don't think RAS is the place you > will see the novelty "it rocks" posts you will see on the pesky web > forums. > > Those hardened few left will know the real deal when they see and still > post up the negatives. > > In the food analogy that seems to be taking off here iRacing is the high > quality restaurant for sure but the menu is limited. If you don't fancy > what is on the menu it then best to go elsewhere and check back to see > what is new every now and then. If you like what is on offer there is no > doubt the quality is top notch.

Five years ago, when I used to race online, I had problem, I was an European who liked Nascar races. There were not too many people online when I was awake. I don't know what is the situation now, how many people race online, but I wonder, if you like to eat at Taco Bell, will you eat there alone? -- Mario Petrinovich

"0-0-0-0-0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Z7V7k.48239$gc5.10594@pd7urf2no... > So just to be clear on your view Larry.... hmmm.... > You're saying that rFactor with ALL it's FREE mod content is a "mess" Yep. Can't keep up with it, it's utterly fragmented, completely out of control, and something I personally don't have the time to deal with. > but as long as you have to PAY for new stuff -- then it's "not_that_bad". No, it's not. Not when it's quality materials managed in a quality manner. Not a screwed up free-for-all like rFactor is. > LOL - kind of funny when you look at it that way isn't it !?! I find nothing funny about the current rFactor mess. I have NO problem with rFactor (other than I don't much care for ISI engine based sims). It's the uncontrolled mess that the whole tracks, cars, mods thing has become. Every time I've EVER tried to join a race I either didn't have the right Mod, track, version of track or mod, or whatever. I spent more time trying to keep up with the changes than racing. At least in iRacing if something changes, you get an "Update Required" flag and you mash a button to update. And EVERONE has to do it so everyone is on the same page. If rFactor would incorporate something like that, 90% of my gripes with rFactor would go away.

Or... iRacing is the Mac, rFactor is the PC. LOL -Larry "Tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1na8k.69377$[email hidden]...

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Agreed on the rFactor thing... As for the invites, we are keeping them on their toes with "when" questions. Trust me :) -Larry "Ed Medlin" <ed@ edmedlin.com> wrote in message news:Ug68k.12735$[email hidden]...

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> I like rFactor fine. The main problem is that there are just so many > mods......and a lot of them very much the same, that it gets confusing > especially online. > > BTW Larry.......I haven't heard anything from iRacing yet. I have signed > up for their newsletter and all but still no word on the invite. > > Ed >

This is not really expensive. World of Warcraft... the real "crack" of the intertubes... is $155 US a year (without tax) if purchased at the lowest bulk rate. iRacing is totally inline with this cost, actually since you have to add the cost of the box to WoW ( around $50 US ), that first year is more expensive, where as with iRacing the second year could be less expensive. That being said I still do not think the iRacing price model will work. I am going to be very happy with just the Legend car, and the basic tracks for a very long time. I know I will only add two other classes, and maybe 3-4 tracks at most. So they will not be getting a random boost of money from me when something new comes out. I think you will have many people who will fall into this type of category. (many being relative to the actual numbers who use this service) So I wonder if the 50 to 100 thousand people who will pay to play will be enough. But it should be fun to watch at least.

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> This is not really expensive. > > World of Warcraft... the real "crack" of the intertubes... is $155 US > a year (without tax) if purchased at the lowest bulk rate. > iRacing is totally inline with this cost, actually since you have to > add the cost of the box to WoW ( around $50 US ), that first year is > more expensive, where as with iRacing the second year could be less > expensive. > > That being said I still do not think the iRacing price model will > work. I am going to be very happy with just the Legend car, and the > basic tracks for a very long time. I know I will only add two other > classes, and maybe 3-4 tracks at most. So they will not be getting a > random boost of money from me when something new comes out. I think > you will have many people who will fall into this type of category. > (many being relative to the actual numbers who use this service) So I > wonder if the 50 to 100 thousand people who will pay to play will be > enough. > > But it should be fun to watch at least.

50000-100000 ? I would be surprised @ 5-10 thousand

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Dmr8k.4606$[email hidden]...

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> > "0-0-0-0-0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Z7V7k.48239$gc5.10594@pd7urf2no... > >> So just to be clear on your view Larry.... > > hmmm.... > >> You're saying that rFactor with ALL it's FREE mod content is a "mess" > > Yep. Can't keep up with it, it's utterly fragmented, completely out of > control, and something I personally don't have the time to deal with. > >> but as long as you have to PAY for new stuff -- then it's "not_that_bad". > > No, it's not. Not when it's quality materials managed in a quality > manner. Not a screwed up free-for-all like rFactor is. > >> LOL - kind of funny when you look at it that way isn't it !?! > > I find nothing funny about the current rFactor mess. > > I have NO problem with rFactor (other than I don't much care for ISI > engine based sims). It's the uncontrolled mess that the whole tracks, > cars, mods thing has become. Every time I've EVER tried to join a race I > either didn't have the right Mod, track, version of track or mod, or > whatever. I spent more time trying to keep up with the changes than > racing. > > At least in iRacing if something changes, you get an "Update Required" > flag and you mash a button to update. And EVERONE has to do it so > everyone is on the same page. > > If rFactor would incorporate something like that, 90% of my gripes with > rFactor would go away.

Spot on, 100% right, Larry. rFactor is good if you want to run in a league, but if you just want to grab a quick bit if on-line racing fun, it's a disaster.

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> btgoss: >> This is not really expensive. >> >> World of Warcraft... the real "crack" of the intertubes... is $155 US >> a year (without tax) if purchased at the lowest bulk rate. >> iRacing is totally inline with this cost, actually since you have to >> add the cost of the box to WoW ( around $50 US ), that first year is >> more expensive, where as with iRacing the second year could be less >> expensive. >> >> That being said I still do not think the iRacing price model will >> work. I am going to be very happy with just the Legend car, and the >> basic tracks for a very long time. I know I will only add two other >> classes, and maybe 3-4 tracks at most. So they will not be getting a >> random boost of money from me when something new comes out. I think >> you will have many people who will fall into this type of category. >> (many being relative to the actual numbers who use this service) So I >> wonder if the 50 to 100 thousand people who will pay to play will be >> enough. >> >> But it should be fun to watch at least. > > 50000-100000 ? I would be surprised @ 5-10 thousand

It just started, few minutes ago. There were 1000 beta testers, and supposedly they now work with 7000 invitees. -- Mario Petrinovich

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> btgoss wrote: > > This is not really expensive. > > > World of Warcraft... the real "crack" of the intertubes... is $155 US > > a year (without tax) if purchased at the lowest bulk rate. > > iRacing is totally inline with this cost, actually since you have to > > add the cost of the box to WoW ( around $50 US ), that first year is > > more expensive, where as with iRacing the second year could be less > > expensive. > > > That being said I still do not think the iRacing price model will > > work. I am going to be very happy with just the Legend car, and the > > basic tracks for a very long time. I know I will only add two other > > classes, and maybe 3-4 tracks at most. So they will not be getting a > > random boost of money from me when something new comes out. I think > > you will have many people who will fall into this type of category. > > (many being relative to the actual numbers who use this service) So I > > wonder if the 50 to 100 thousand people who will pay to play will be > > enough. > > > But it should be fun to watch at least. > > 50000-100000 ? I would be surprised @ 5-10 thousand

It can't work with those few people paying to play. I think the number has to be at least 50K to keep it alive. And I am making that statement based on Eve online having around 70K. So I would think 50K to 100K range is a fair number for something that is never going to be a mainstream type of experience. Now if they could get a Nascar License AND CART/IRL/Open Wheel license... then who knows... but right now I think they are hoping for at least 50K.

Lets not forget, McDonalds started with only 1 being served. Now, they can't fit the number on the sign any more :) -Larry "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... It can't work with those few people paying to play. I think the number has to be at least 50K to keep it alive. And I am making that statement based on Eve online having around 70K. So I would think 50K to 100K range is a fair number for something that is never going to be a mainstream type of experience. Now if they could get a Nascar License AND CART/IRL/Open Wheel license... then who knows... but right now I think they are hoping for at least 50K.

Thanks Larry I do see your point and I do understand that it can be daunting for non-savy PC users to manage the mods, tracks, etc. Personally I would have liked to see some sort of "standards" released with the base rFactor sim that laid out some kind of mandated format for all mods/tracks. It would have made things easier if "all" mods-tracks were to contain a standard install that everyone could do "eyes-closed" so to speak. It would have been great if there was ONE central mod-track depository (rfactorcentral.com does come very close though). I cannot disagree with you and these points. Having said that though.... iRacing is a controlled "league" if you will. Anyone running rFactor in a (controlled) league should have almost zero problems getting going or locating the necessary mod/tracks. They will also get a nicely worded "updates required" message that some league admin has graciously written out. It's not iRacing-automatic, but it works just fine. The real problems you are talking about is with "pick-up racing" which I personally don't think rF was ever really made for. JMHO 0-0-0-0-0-0 "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Dmr8k.4606$[email hidden]...

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> > "0-0-0-0-0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Z7V7k.48239$gc5.10594@pd7urf2no... > >> So just to be clear on your view Larry.... > > hmmm.... > >> You're saying that rFactor with ALL it's FREE mod content is a "mess" > > Yep. Can't keep up with it, it's utterly fragmented, completely out of > control, and something I personally don't have the time to deal with. > >> but as long as you have to PAY for new stuff -- then it's "not_that_bad". > > No, it's not. Not when it's quality materials managed in a quality > manner. Not a screwed up free-for-all like rFactor is. > >> LOL - kind of funny when you look at it that way isn't it !?! > > I find nothing funny about the current rFactor mess. > > I have NO problem with rFactor (other than I don't much care for ISI > engine based sims). It's the uncontrolled mess that the whole tracks, > cars, mods thing has become. Every time I've EVER tried to join a race I > either didn't have the right Mod, track, version of track or mod, or > whatever. I spent more time trying to keep up with the changes than > racing. > > At least in iRacing if something changes, you get an "Update Required" > flag and you mash a button to update. And EVERONE has to do it so > everyone is on the same page. > > If rFactor would incorporate something like that, 90% of my gripes with > rFactor would go away.

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> Or... > > iRacing is the Mac, rFactor is the PC. > > LOL > > -Larry >

Are you saying that rFactor is better than iRacing!! Interesting

Man, I hope your married because if your'e single life must be hell if you can't even get yourself organised with rFactor. Just grab the mods you want to use and regularly check rFactorcentral for updates. How complicated is that.

NO ! He's saying that iRacing is for "artsy-fartsy" people.... and rFactor is for everyone else. LOL ( Easy Larry.... I am just making a pc-mac joke here! - no i-offense meant ;) "Boofhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Snr8k.4607$[email hidden]... >> Or... >> >> iRacing is the Mac, rFactor is the PC. >> >> LOL >> >> -Larry >> > > Are you saying that rFactor is better than iRacing!! > > Interesting >

As a casual simracer my problems are as follows: 1) I would like to spend 4(ish) hours pr week on sim racing 2) I would like to do as much quality racing as possible in my limited simracing slot I have a ton of simracing experience, respect fellow racers, have good and consistent pace, love realism, but have limited time. I would guess that there must be many thousands like me out there, so we represent a substantial market group. And the same group of people, due to time constraints, probably are at a point in life where they have more money than time. I have had one option, rFactor. The sim works great on my computer, there are plenty of pick-up races to be found, I encounter great sportsmanship and racing all the time, but I also encounter sabotage, complete stupidity, total lack of ability and total lack of will to do good. With this mix of ingredients comes the growing feeling of "unfullfilledness", never to finish a race without having been taken out thrice, etc, etc. I have nothing against rFactor, but I have a lot against the wild diversity of users of it. With iRacing I now have a new option. I can spend my simracing time in a controlled environment, I can spend it with equally paced racers, but my big question is: Does my limited simracing time slot allow me to progress, rank higher, and generally feel that the time I put in is well spent? I suspect that iRacing have come up with a market model much in the mould of WoW, Everquest etc; i.e. trying to exploit the addictiveness of a game, with a tendency to favour those ready to put in 3 hours + pr day. I am not talking about "favour" in terms of money, I am talking about "favour" in terms of progress, schedules, season lengths etc. I know for sure that I won't fall into the "addictiveness" aspect, due to lack of time, and I am highly uncertain about the "time well spent" aspect. I am sure iRacing will offer a splendid alternative to rFactor and open-source racing, but I am not so sure it will fit every bill out there, and I am kind of thinking that the optimum racingsim situation would be if: 1) The sim was open for leagues, pick-up racers and official rank/security rating events alike 2) Open standards for track and car modelling, and easy ways of upgrading with tracks, cars etc 3) Possibility to set up public servers with a custom degree of racing rule enforcement to the point where the idiots would be rejected and shunned after that If rFactor had efficient ways of enforcing racing rules, it would fit *my* bill perfectly, and there would be less of a need to look elsewhere. ---A--- On 06.06.2008 03:02, * [email hidden] wrote:

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> The NDA has been lifted for iRacing. > > > And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. It's the > most > addicting thing a simracer will get since the end of the NROS. It's > that > amazing. Sure it's not finished yet, but it will open in less than a > month > so you guys better start preparing yourself if you ever want to start > simracing again. > > > Let me rephrase this : iRacing is so good (physics, track modelling, > multi > racing experience) that it made me come back from retirement, made me > buy a > 1500$ PC and a G25 wheel. > > > > Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back.

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> Thanks Larry > > I do see your point and I do understand that it can be daunting for non-savy > PC users to manage the mods, tracks, etc. > > Personally I would have liked to see some sort of "standards" released with > the base rFactor sim that laid out some kind of mandated format for all > mods/tracks. It would have made things easier if "all" mods-tracks were to > contain a standard install that everyone could do "eyes-closed" so to speak. > It would have been great if there was ONE central mod-track depository > (rfactorcentral.com does come very close though). I cannot disagree with > you and these points.

Well, one is suprised how some people manage to start their browser. Imagine, having to install the latest release of the mod they wanna drive! l8er ronny

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> > Having said that though.... iRacing is a controlled "league" if you will. > Anyone running rFactor in a (controlled) league should have almost zero > problems getting going or locating the necessary mod/tracks. > They will also get a nicely worded "updates required" message that some > league admin has graciously written out. It's not iRacing-automatic, but it > works just fine. > > The real problems you are talking about is with "pick-up racing" which I > personally don't think rF was ever really made for. > > JMHO > > 0-0-0-0-0-0 > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Dmr8k.4606$[email hidden]... >> "0-0-0-0-0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Z7V7k.48239$gc5.10594@pd7urf2no... >> >>> So just to be clear on your view Larry.... >> hmmm.... >> >>> You're saying that rFactor with ALL it's FREE mod content is a "mess" >> Yep. Can't keep up with it, it's utterly fragmented, completely out of >> control, and something I personally don't have the time to deal with. >> >>> but as long as you have to PAY for new stuff -- then it's "not_that_bad". >> No, it's not. Not when it's quality materials managed in a quality >> manner. Not a screwed up free-for-all like rFactor is. >> >>> LOL - kind of funny when you look at it that way isn't it !?! >> I find nothing funny about the current rFactor mess. >> >> I have NO problem with rFactor (other than I don't much care for ISI >> engine based sims). It's the uncontrolled mess that the whole tracks, >> cars, mods thing has become. Every time I've EVER tried to join a race I >> either didn't have the right Mod, track, version of track or mod, or >> whatever. I spent more time trying to keep up with the changes than >> racing. >> >> At least in iRacing if something changes, you get an "Update Required" >> flag and you mash a button to update. And EVERONE has to do it so >> everyone is on the same page. >> >> If rFactor would incorporate something like that, 90% of my gripes with >> rFactor would go away. > >

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> Man, I hope your married because if your'e single life must be hell if you > can't even get yourself organised with rFactor. > > Just grab the mods you want to use and regularly check rFactorcentral for > updates. > > How complicated is that. >

This post reminds me that the theory very rarely matches the real life application particularly closely.

And it's suprising how someone can so entirely miss the point. "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g40b5l$tnq$[email hidden]... > Well, one is suprised how some people manage to start their browser. > Imagine, having to install the latest release of the mod they wanna drive! > > l8er > ronny

> If rFactor had efficient ways of enforcing racing rules, it would fit > *my* bill perfectly, and there would be less of a need to look elsewhere. Who knows what ISI has planned for the future? They may surprise us. I'm sure they been pouring over iRacing since the early alpha days. Their Racecast was a bust and didn't even make a stab at including a ratings overlay. And, yes, IR claims state of the art Force Feedback, physics and netcode. But it's the newest in a rapidly evolving environment. You expect the bar to be raised. GTR2 was prettier than rFactor. N2K3 had better physics than N4, etc. Yawn.... I suspect the handful of cars and tracks in iRacing are gonna get old *really* fast. But I could be totally wrong. Haha.

Larry wrote: > And it's suprising how someone can so entirely miss the point. Well, you don't even have a point, right? Just whining...

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> > > "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:g40b5l$tnq$[email hidden]... > >> Well, one is suprised how some people manage to start their browser. >> Imagine, having to install the latest release of the mod they wanna >> drive! >> >> l8er >> ronny >

Come on, admit it, the rFactor scene is a mess as far as just doing pick up races goes. The driving standard is appallingly low. I had a race in the Renault Megane Trophy and just got continuously punted off because people knew they could get away with hitting you as you turn into the corner. "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g411u7$220$[email hidden]...

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> Larry wrote: >> And it's suprising how someone can so entirely miss the point. > > Well, you don't even have a point, right? Just whining... > >> >> >> "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:g40b5l$tnq$[email hidden]... >> >>> Well, one is suprised how some people manage to start their browser. >>> Imagine, having to install the latest release of the mod they wanna >>> drive! >>> >>> l8er >>> ronny >>

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> As a casual simracer my problems are as follows: > 1) I would like to spend 4(ish) hours pr week on sim racing > 2) I would like to do as much quality racing as possible in my limited > simracing slot > > I have a ton of simracing experience, respect fellow racers, have good and > consistent pace, love realism, but have limited time. I would guess that > there must be many thousands like me out there, so we represent a > substantial market group. And the same group of people, due to time > constraints, probably are at a point in life where they have more money > than time. > > I have had one option, rFactor. The sim works great on my computer, there > are plenty of pick-up races to be found, I encounter great sportsmanship > and racing all the time, but I also encounter sabotage, complete > stupidity, total lack of ability and total lack of will to do good. With > this mix of ingredients comes the growing feeling of "unfullfilledness", > never to finish a race without having been taken out thrice, etc, etc. I > have nothing against rFactor, but I have a lot against the wild diversity > of users of it.

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> With iRacing I now have a new option. I can spend my simracing time in a > controlled environment, I can spend it with equally paced racers, but my > big question is: Does my limited simracing time slot allow me to progress, > rank higher, and generally feel that the time I put in is well spent? I > suspect that iRacing have come up with a market model much in the mould of > WoW, Everquest etc; i.e. trying to exploit the addictiveness of a game, > with a tendency to favour those ready to put in 3 hours + pr day. I am not > talking about "favour" in terms of money, I am talking about "favour" in > terms of progress, schedules, season lengths etc. > > I know for sure that I won't fall into the "addictiveness" aspect, due to > lack of time, and I am highly uncertain about the "time well spent" > aspect. > > I am sure iRacing will offer a splendid alternative to rFactor and > open-source racing, but I am not so sure it will fit every bill out there, > and I am kind of thinking that the optimum racingsim situation would be > if: > 1) The sim was open for leagues, pick-up racers and official rank/security > rating events alike > 2) Open standards for track and car modelling, and easy ways of upgrading > with tracks, cars etc > 3) Possibility to set up public servers with a custom degree of racing > rule enforcement to the point where the idiots would be rejected and > shunned after that > > If rFactor had efficient ways of enforcing racing rules, it would fit *my* > bill perfectly, and there would be less of a need to look elsewhere. > > ---A--- > > On 06.06.2008 03:02, * [email hidden] wrote: >> The NDA has been lifted for iRacing. >> >> >> And as I said in the subject, iRacing is crack in a box. It's the >> most >> addicting thing a simracer will get since the end of the NROS. It's >> that >> amazing. Sure it's not finished yet, but it will open in less than a >> month >> so you guys better start preparing yourself if you ever want to start >> simracing again. >> >> >> Let me rephrase this : iRacing is so good (physics, track modelling, >> multi >> racing experience) that it made me come back from retirement, made me >> buy a >> 1500$ PC and a G25 wheel. >> >> >> >> Bitches better prepare yourself, simracing is back.

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>> If rFactor had efficient ways of enforcing racing rules, it would fit >> *my* bill perfectly, and there would be less of a need to look elsewhere. > > Who knows what ISI has planned for the future? They may surprise us. > I'm sure they been pouring over iRacing since the early alpha days. > Their Racecast was a bust and didn't even make a stab at including a > ratings overlay. And, yes, IR claims state of the art Force Feedback, > physics and netcode. But it's the newest in a rapidly evolving > environment. You expect the bar to be raised. GTR2 was prettier than > rFactor. N2K3 had better physics than N4, etc. Yawn.... > > I suspect the handful of cars and tracks in iRacing are gonna get old > *really* fast. But I could be totally wrong. Haha.

The most popular rFactor mod as far as online pick-up races go, is the the Renault Megane. And those severs switch through a small amount of the oldest tracks. The key to iR is enforcement of driving standards. If people can't grasp that then they are probably part of the problem in rFactor.

David Fisher's Left Testicle wrote: > Come on, admit it, the rFactor scene is a mess as far as just doing pick > up races goes. The driving standard is appallingly low. I had a race in > the Renault Megane Trophy and just got continuously punted off because > people knew they could get away with hitting you as you turn into the > corner. Well, that's about as surprising as "the world is not flat"... Go to any server of any online game that is moddable (FPS, flight or racing sim) -> big chance you don't have the right level, area or track. It's just the silly bashing of rF for being what it is. If you don't like it, get LfS or iRacing. BTW, who wants to race total strangers in a pick up race anyway? There's only a 1% chance to have a race without a crash kiddie anyway. l8er ronny

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> > > "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:g411u7$220$[email hidden]... >> Larry wrote: >>> And it's suprising how someone can so entirely miss the point. >> >> Well, you don't even have a point, right? Just whining... >> >>> >>> >>> "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:g40b5l$tnq$[email hidden]... >>> >>>> Well, one is suprised how some people manage to start their browser. >>>> Imagine, having to install the latest release of the mod they wanna >>>> drive! >>>> >>>> l8er >>>> ronny >>> >

Really, ISI hasn't suprised me at all. I've never seen any major interface or engine changes that really get me excited over the years. Seems to be the same thing over and over with just a few tweaks. Maybe. But, that's just me. For those that enjoy ISI based SIMS more power to you! Have fun :) -Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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>> If rFactor had efficient ways of enforcing racing rules, it would fit >> *my* bill perfectly, and there would be less of a need to look elsewhere. > > Who knows what ISI has planned for the future? They may surprise us. > I'm sure they been pouring over iRacing since the early alpha days. > Their Racecast was a bust and didn't even make a stab at including a > ratings overlay. And, yes, IR claims state of the art Force Feedback, > physics and netcode. But it's the newest in a rapidly evolving > environment. You expect the bar to be raised. GTR2 was prettier than > rFactor. N2K3 had better physics than N4, etc. Yawn.... > > I suspect the handful of cars and tracks in iRacing are gonna get old > *really* fast. But I could be totally wrong. Haha.

On Jun 27, 10:07 am, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote: > BTW, who wants to race total strangers in a pick up race anyway? There's only > a 1% chance to have a race without a crash kiddie anyway. >You think the odds are that high?

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> David Fisher's Left Testicle wrote: >> Come on, admit it, the rFactor scene is a mess as far as just doing pick >> up races goes. The driving standard is appallingly low. I had a race in >> the Renault Megane Trophy and just got continuously punted off because >> people knew they could get away with hitting you as you turn into the >> corner. > > Well, that's about as surprising as "the world is not flat"... > > Go to any server of any online game that is moddable (FPS, flight or > racing sim) -> big chance you don't have the right level, area or track. > It's just the silly bashing of rF for being what it is. If you don't like > it, get LfS or iRacing. > > BTW, who wants to race total strangers in a pick up race anyway?

Well, lots of people who don't have time to schedule for proper league racing. It's rather stupid of you to pose that question! Shows your lack of empathy with the greater community. The fact is that iRacing is worth the extra money, for me, over rFactor. And looking at the whining surrounding the new Historic GT mod and the overall piss poor driving standards, I don't really want to be part of the online rFactor community any more. Also, people like you put me off.

[email hidden] wrote: > But it's the newest in a rapidly evolving > environment. You expect the bar to be raised. GTR2 was prettier than > rFactor. N2K3 had better physics than N4, etc. Yawn.... I don't believe it is a rapidly evolving environment which is what has paved the way for iRacing to be worthy of the investment. > I suspect the handful of cars and tracks in iRacing are gonna get old > *really* fast. But I could be totally wrong. Haha. Only time will tell but GPL managed for a pretty long time with just one series and minor variants within that. Cheers Tony

> Only time will tell but GPL managed for a pretty long time with just one > series and minor variants within that. True, but GPL did provide the charms of mixed class racing for many. I hope iRacing succeeds. The concept is innovative and will profit from Kaemmer's sim creating experiences and his insider status status within the world of real motor racing. Not to mention John Henry's cash infusion. And who knows what IR will resemble 6 months from now? But watch out. RFactor will surely come up with a renamed, vastly revamped variation on Racecast with ratings and rankings. Along with physics, graphics and force feedback enhancements. Laser scanned tracks may prove beyond their reach, however. Unless Gjon hooks up with an heiress.

On reconsideration, laser scanning the tracks may not be the roadblock. Rather acquiring the licenses.

You should of course consider that there were NO real alternatives to GPL - it was the "only" option really at the time, so referencing it in this discussion is somewhat moot. -- As soon as rFactor hit the market... GPL member numbers started to decline. If GTR had not had the classic multiplaer flaws that it did... I wonder how many would have moved from GPL to GTR? The terrible online code was the main reason that there was not a mass exodus to it from GPL. (that and of course no F1 cars!) I'm all for iRacing and for the pay-people that will be a part of it. But, why do some feel they have to disrespect rFactor to make iRacing "sound good"? It doesn't make sense. If iRacing is that good..... then people will move to it on their own... they won't need to be told the "problems" "shortcomings" or percieved "disillusionments" of rF. rFactor is currently the BEST of the BEST. Number ONE league based sim. When iRacing surpasses the user base of rFactor... then go ahead and say so. Meantime.... I personally would appreciate less rFactor belittling as it is not fair nor is it needed. No-one comes here everday to point out that iRacing has no driver swaps, no pitstops, no proper flags, etc. etc. There is no need for bashing either one. Fair??? 0-0-0-0-0-0 "Tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9D99k.20811$[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] wrote: >> But it's the newest in a rapidly evolving >> environment. You expect the bar to be raised. GTR2 was prettier than >> rFactor. N2K3 had better physics than N4, etc. Yawn.... > > I don't believe it is a rapidly evolving environment which is what has > paved the way for iRacing to be worthy of the investment. > >> I suspect the handful of cars and tracks in iRacing are gonna get old >> *really* fast. But I could be totally wrong. Haha. > > Only time will tell but GPL managed for a pretty long time with just one > series and minor variants within that. > > Cheers > Tony

0-0-0-0-0 wrote: > No-one comes here everday to point out that iRacing has no driver swaps, no > pitstops, no proper flags, etc. etc. > There is no need for bashing either one. Fair??? Rewind to 2005 and I was enthusiastic about rFactor as it finally seemed to represent a significant step forward with the ISI engine that had evolved since f1 2000. Indeed rFactor and GT Legends were the sims that finally eclipsed GPL for me. My reference to slow progress was that GPL was *way* overdue for being replaced. The string of blockbuster releases in the 90s had come to an end as Papyrus was restricted to Nascar titles and then no more and Crammond had seemingly lost his way. ISI and the small studios have had the market uncontested with a large well funded developer and it has been steady progress. here we are in mid 2008 and rFactor has see a few patches. GTR2 and RACE have some nice weather features but the underlying sim engine is still much the same. It has been steady evolution with each release. No problem with that but not the dynamic rapid evolution the poster I responded to suggested. It is selfish and I do respect the work ISI and Simbin have done along with the modders with limited resources, but I do want more from sim racing. Economics with publishers seemed to make that unlikely until John Henry stumped up the cash to produce a higher budget sim. If it belittles the likes of rFactor to say we needed iRacing then it is unintended but to move sim racing forward I believe we do. The smaller outfits have had a free go for long enough to become well enough established to position themselves to take a slice by differentiating by price and approach (e.g. modding capability) so I don't think iRacing is going to come along and squash them. Outside of small leagues I don't think sim racing was really going anywhere, comparing sales of modern titles with those of the mid nineties sim racing is even more niche now. It needs impetus and iRacing could just provide that. I am a fan of sim racing and just want to get better and better sim racing experiences be it software or hardware developments. Cheers Tony

Very well written and very clear and concise -:)- Good read. Now although I agree with your points... if price was not an issue; I'd be just stepping out of my motion platform sim-racer after just giving iRacing a good going over (say a demo or a 1 month membership). Money being an issue to me, and to most perhaps, it is well we have the likes of both rF - so richly supported by the generous modders - and also iRacing - generously supported by the rich (lol - I just couldn't resist the smile) so we can EACH enjoy the best available sim adn equipment at each of our 'fair market values'. Enjoy... and I always look forward to news of how things are going "over there" ;) 0-0-0-0-0 "Tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lje9k.127788$[email hidden]...

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> 0-0-0-0-0 wrote: >> No-one comes here everday to point out that iRacing has no driver swaps, >> no pitstops, no proper flags, etc. etc. >> There is no need for bashing either one. Fair??? > > Rewind to 2005 and I was enthusiastic about rFactor as it finally seemed > to represent a significant step forward with the ISI engine that had > evolved since f1 2000. Indeed rFactor and GT Legends were the sims that > finally eclipsed GPL for me. > > My reference to slow progress was that GPL was *way* overdue for being > replaced. The string of blockbuster releases in the 90s had come to an end > as Papyrus was restricted to Nascar titles and then no more and Crammond > had seemingly lost his way. > > ISI and the small studios have had the market uncontested with a large > well funded developer and it has been steady progress. here we are in mid > 2008 and rFactor has see a few patches. GTR2 and RACE have some nice > weather features but the underlying sim engine is still much the same. It > has been steady evolution with each release. No problem with that but not > the dynamic rapid evolution the poster I responded to suggested. > > It is selfish and I do respect the work ISI and Simbin have done along > with the modders with limited resources, but I do want more from sim > racing. Economics with publishers seemed to make that unlikely until John > Henry stumped up the cash to produce a higher budget sim. > > If it belittles the likes of rFactor to say we needed iRacing then it is > unintended but to move sim racing forward I believe we do. The smaller > outfits have had a free go for long enough to become well enough > established to position themselves to take a slice by differentiating by > price and approach (e.g. modding capability) so I don't think iRacing is > going to come along and squash them. > > Outside of small leagues I don't think sim racing was really going > anywhere, comparing sales of modern titles with those of the mid nineties > sim racing is even more niche now. It needs impetus and iRacing could just > provide that. > > I am a fan of sim racing and just want to get better and better sim racing > experiences be it software or hardware developments. > > Cheers > Tony

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> Well, lots of people who don't have time to schedule for proper league > racing. It's rather stupid of you to pose that question! Shows your lack > of empathy with the greater community. > > The fact is that iRacing is worth the extra money, for me, over rFactor. > And looking at the whining surrounding the new Historic GT mod and the > overall piss poor driving standards, I don't really want to be part of the > online rFactor community any more. Also, people like you put me off.

I paid my 20 bucks for a month of iRacing and put a bunch of laps on both the Solstice and the Legends car. I have to be the slowest out there.....:-). I finally got the Solstice down to the 1.09s at Limerock and am still 4-5 seconds slower than the competitive guys...:-). Still, after a couple of races (last....:-) I paid up for a year just because it is really nice to race in an environment where instead of getting flamed for being slow, guys actually gave me some tips to help get the speed up. I was very aware of my mirror and gave room for faster cars but there were still a few that were in the same boat as me.....:-). Everyone races clean and light bumps are not penalized, so you can race hard too. Ed

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> NO ! > > He's saying that iRacing is for "artsy-fartsy" people.... > and rFactor is for everyone else. LOL > > ( Easy Larry.... I am just making a pc-mac joke here! - no i-offense > meant ;)

Offending is my forte'! iRacing is for sandal wearing fags that need to be spoon fed their pablum and rFactor is for cool geeks that like to tinker.

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:aST7k.4704$[email hidden]: > Ok, a few points, speaking for myself... > > First, the mess that rFactor has become is exactly what I want to get > AWAY from. Fag!

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:Dmr8k.4606$[email hidden]: > Yep. Can't keep up with it, it's utterly fragmented, completely out > of control, and something I personally don't have the time to deal > with. Um, no it isn't. It is purely user choice as to what you install and play in rFactor. The base game has the fantastic trainers so there is no need to install any mods if you don't want to.

"Ed Medlin" <ed@ edmedlin.com> wrote in news:Ug68k.12735$[email hidden]: > I like rFactor fine. The main problem is that there are just so many > mods......and a lot of them very much the same, that it gets confusing > especially online. Mods are user choice and not mandatory.

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> > "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:g42s7l$3bo$[email hidden]... >> David Fisher's Left Testicle wrote: >>> Come on, admit it, the rFactor scene is a mess as far as just doing >>> pick up races goes. The driving standard is appallingly low. I had a >>> race in the Renault Megane Trophy and just got continuously punted >>> off because people knew they could get away with hitting you as you >>> turn into the corner. >> >> Well, that's about as surprising as "the world is not flat"... >> >> Go to any server of any online game that is moddable (FPS, flight or >> racing sim) -> big chance you don't have the right level, area or track. >> It's just the silly bashing of rF for being what it is. If you don't like >> it, get LfS or iRacing. >> >> BTW, who wants to race total strangers in a pick up race anyway? > > Well, lots of people who don't have time to schedule for proper league > racing. It's rather stupid of you to pose that question! Shows your lack > of empathy with the greater community. > > The fact is that iRacing is worth the extra money, for me, over rFactor. > And looking at the whining surrounding the new Historic GT mod and the > overall piss poor driving standards, I don't really want to be part of > the online rFactor community any more. Also, people like you put me off.

I'm not driving online at all, fuckwit. Just because of what I mentioned. But IF you wanna drive rF online, you better get your five braincells together and start a server with your buddies. Who's talking about a league, moron? Yeah, you're as dumb as those twits complaining about the DVD check for Historic GT....

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> "Ed Medlin" <ed@ edmedlin.com> wrote in > news:Ug68k.12735$[email hidden]: > >> I like rFactor fine. The main problem is that there are just so many >> mods......and a lot of them very much the same, that it gets confusing >> especially online. > > Mods are user choice and not mandatory.

Don't stress his feeble brain, it might pop...

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> "Ed Medlin" <ed@ edmedlin.com> wrote in > news:Ug68k.12735$[email hidden]: > >> I like rFactor fine. The main problem is that there are just so many >> mods......and a lot of them very much the same, that it gets confusing >> especially online. > > Mods are user choice and not mandatory.

And off course you'll have loads of people to race if you just stick with the original content. <ROLLS EYES>

"David Fisher's Left Testicle" <dfg.myass@aol> wrote in news:dUG9k.90902$[email hidden]: > And off course you'll have loads of people to race if you just stick > with the original content. <ROLLS EYES> > > So? You just install a few of the more popular online racing mods. What's so confusing about that? Hopefully you are rolling your eyes because you are on your death bed.

Well excuse me for being so "dumb" but it would have been NICE to find out this "little requirement" BEFORE doing the 6 large downloads. I don't know about complaining re: the need --- but I do know the problems with NOT TRYING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW IN ADVANCE of their downloading time and bandwidth. That's STUPID or DUMB This should be the first line of the "mod" description: NOTE - GTL DVD REQUIRED TO INSTALL THIS er, mod. It's so easy and yet the decision seems to have been made to make this point somehow moot. ******* FINAL NOTE ******** Due to the use of GTL's 3D models, and the big respect we have for the great work Simbin did creating that game, a valid GTL DVD is going to be required to install the mod in rFactor. ------ oh, yeah, after getting this far..... if you don't have a GTL DVD - throw away everything you have done up to here. Final point? WTF. That should have been the FIRST point. Not the last. 0-0-0-0-0-0-0 "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g46c7m$943$[email hidden]... > > Yeah, you're as dumb as those twits complaining about the DVD check for > Historic GT.... > >

Just buy a copy, you tight cnut! http://shop.ebay.co.uk/items/_W0QQ_nkwZGTQ20LegendsQQ_fromZR40QQ_mdoZ "0-0-0-0-0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HjT9k.42363$Jx.2458@pd7urf1no...

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> Well excuse me for being so "dumb" > > but it would have been NICE to find out this "little requirement" BEFORE > doing the 6 large downloads. > > I don't know about complaining re: the need --- but I do know the problems > with NOT TRYING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW IN ADVANCE of their downloading time > and bandwidth. That's STUPID or DUMB > > This should be the first line of the "mod" description: > > NOTE - GTL DVD REQUIRED TO INSTALL THIS er, mod. > > It's so easy and yet the decision seems to have been made to make this > point somehow moot. > > ******* FINAL NOTE ******** > > Due to the use of GTL's 3D models, and the big respect we have for the > great work Simbin did creating that game, a valid GTL DVD is going to be > required to install the mod in rFactor. > > ------ oh, yeah, after getting this far..... if you don't have a GTL DVD - > throw away everything you have done up to here. > > Final point? WTF. That should have been the FIRST point. Not the last. > > 0-0-0-0-0-0-0 > > > > "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:g46c7m$943$[email hidden]... >> >> Yeah, you're as dumb as those twits complaining about the DVD check for >> Historic GT.... >> >> > >