Grand Theft Auto - Is this a joke?

Just tried to play the Grand Theft Auto demo (3dfx version). This game has the worst control problems I've ever seen in a computer game - and I mean EVER, including all the way back to when the Commodore-64 was the premier *** machine. Tried gamepad, analog joystick, T2 wheel (which it couldn't work with at all), and keyboard - and the control just sucks horribly. There is no analog control at all - with a joystick it doesn't react at all until you're nearly at the limit, then your guy spins like a balarina. It's even worse when you're "driving", trying to manuevre a car makes your average fall-down drunk look like a Mario Andretti by comparison. I love the concept, the graphics are cool, but as is the game is just a bad joke - I can't believe they even shipped a demo in such bad shape. Joe

> Just tried to play the Grand Theft Auto demo (3dfx version). This game > has the worst control problems I've ever seen in a computer game - and > I mean EVER, including all the way back to when the Commodore-64 was > the premier *** machine. no it's a great game. it isn't no simulation, this is pure arcade and very fun to play. why would you need a T2 to play a game like GTA? this is a keyboard game, I understand that the 3dfx version is too fast, making it almost uncontrollable. Play it in non 3dfx and it feels just right, sometimes a little slow. IF you are looking for eye candy in this game, you won't find it. It's arcade, kill people, complete tasks do "jobs" for the boss.

>why would you need a T2 to play a game like GTA? this is a keyboard game, >I understand that the 3dfx version is too fast, making it almost >uncontrollable. Play it in non 3dfx and it feels just right, sometimes a >little slow. IF you are looking for eye candy in this game, you won't find >it. It's arcade, kill people, complete tasks do "jobs" for the boss. Nope, just looking for a game that is possible to control. GTA has the absolute worst control I've ever seen. If they can't do something as simple as synchronizing the control-speed to real-time, well that just underlines my point that these people have no idea how to program controller support. Joe

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> >why would you need a T2 to play a game like GTA? this is a keyboard game, > >I understand that the 3dfx version is too fast, making it almost > >uncontrollable. Play it in non 3dfx and it feels just right, sometimes a > >little slow. IF you are looking for eye candy in this game, you won't find > >it. It's arcade, kill people, complete tasks do "jobs" for the boss. > Nope, just looking for a game that is possible to control. GTA has the > absolute worst control I've ever seen. If they can't do something as > simple as synchronizing the control-speed to real-time, well that just > underlines my point that these people have no idea how to program > controller support. > Joe

If you don't like it, dont buy the dang game.. that's why they make demos. Also, if you think that they "have no idea how to program controller support.", e-mail me when you can do better. -- Dave Otterness

>demos. Also, if you think that they "have no idea how to program >controller support.", e-mail me when you can do better. A) I can do better. I've programmed emergency response touchscreen software, and am well aware of the intricacies of low level hardware user interface programming. B) Even if I couldn't, that is the most lame-ass argument in the history of the net. By your logic no consumer should ever, for example, complain about a car - since they don't personally own the resources and tools to build one themselves. Joe

I'll agree the control leaves ALOT to be desired. If they can't get good analog routines for the joystick I'll prolly re-consider buying this. Once you get the hang of the antiquated(sp) controls that do exist it's not that hard. The faster vehicles though are impossible to control. I've found the Taxi to be one of the best vehicles so far as it's speed doesn't outdo the controls available. The Vette, GTO & faster motorcycles are definately going at ludicrous speed. ;-) Sure hope they get good Analog routines. Steve

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>Just tried to play the Grand Theft Auto demo (3dfx version). This game >has the worst control problems I've ever seen in a computer game - and >I mean EVER, including all the way back to when the Commodore-64 was >the premier *** machine. >Tried gamepad, analog joystick, T2 wheel (which it couldn't work with >at all), and keyboard - and the control just sucks horribly. There is >no analog control at all - with a joystick it doesn't react at all >until you're nearly at the limit, then your guy spins like a balarina. >It's even worse when you're "driving", trying to manuevre a car makes >your average fall-down drunk look like a Mario Andretti by comparison. >I love the concept, the graphics are cool, but as is the game is just >a bad joke - I can't believe they even shipped a demo in such bad >shape. >Joe

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>Just tried to play the Grand Theft Auto demo (3dfx version). This game >has the worst control problems I've ever seen in a computer game - and >I mean EVER, including all the way back to when the Commodore-64 was >the premier *** machine. >Tried gamepad, analog joystick, T2 wheel (which it couldn't work with >at all), and keyboard - and the control just sucks horribly. There is >no analog control at all - with a joystick it doesn't react at all >until you're nearly at the limit, then your guy spins like a balarina. >It's even worse when you're "driving", trying to manuevre a car makes >your average fall-down drunk look like a Mario Andretti by comparison. >I love the concept, the graphics are cool, but as is the game is just >a bad joke - I can't believe they even shipped a demo in such bad >shape. >Joe

R: I tried it out this weekend as well and ditto. Control was terrible. Q.B.M.

> B) Even if I couldn't, that is the most lame-ass argument in the > history of the net. By your logic no consumer should ever, for > example, complain about a car - since they don't personally own the > resources and tools to build one themselves. > Joe No, that's not my logic.. It's just that you do SO much shittalking over just about EVERY game that comes out.. I can't imagine what your expectations are for these games. When you fix the problem with all your programming skills, show me.. until then quit whining and just play the games with what you have.. I don't think we'll ever see the "perfect sim".. From what I can tell I KNOW you'll never see yours.. -- Dave Otterness

>No, that's not my logic.. It's just that you do SO much shittalking over >just about EVERY game that comes out.. If I has posted one of those generic "It SUX!" messages you might have a point. However, detailed descriptions of flaws in a game to not constitute "shittalking" in my opinion. Good gameplay, decent graphics (i.e., a good frame-rate), and a usable interface (including controller device support). Doesn't seem like too much to expect to me. What on EARTH are you talking about? It's an arcader, not a sim. That doesn't mean they can get away with fundamental programming errors though. And so you fall back to that lame-ass argument... Joe

> >No, that's not my logic.. It's just that you do SO much shittalking over > >just about EVERY game that comes out.. > If I has posted one of those generic "It SUX!" messages you might have > a point. However, detailed descriptions of flaws in a game to not > constitute "shittalking" in my opinion. Do you actually have any games/sims that you LIKE? Fine, game, sim, it really doesn't matter.. Sorry, but but it seems like you have such HIGH expectations for every single new game/sim/whatever that comes out on the market.. not every, if any, game is going to have the perfect combination.. Basically, the way I see it is "Good gameplay, decent graphics (i.e., a good frame-rate), and a usable interface (including controller device support), pick 2" When a game can combine all 3.. THEN we can set the standards higher, but for now I don't think you should complain about what we do have. -- Dave Otterness

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>>No, that's not my logic.. It's just that you do SO much shittalking over >>just about EVERY game that comes out.. >If I has posted one of those generic "It SUX!" messages you might have >a point. However, detailed descriptions of flaws in a game to not >constitute "shittalking" in my opinion. >>I can't imagine what your >>expectations are for these games. >Good gameplay, decent graphics (i.e., a good frame-rate), and a usable >interface (including controller device support). Doesn't seem like too >much to expect to me.

Get a new computer and stop whining. If you don't have money for it, save some money from buying new games. Also why the forking hell would you want T2 support on a game like GTA. Are you too lazy to even push those god damn buttons on the keyboard I don't see yours any better

>Do you actually have any games/sims that you LIKE? Sure. Nascar2, Jedi Knight, LongBow2, Flying Corps, Moto Racer, PowerPlay98, Need for Speed 1, Jet Fighter 3. Why do you ask? Of course I do - why should I ask for any less in the sof***e I buy? Not asking for perfection, just adequate quality in three departments (gameplay, graphics, and user interface/control). Joe

This makes no sense whatsoever. My computer (P200 w/3dfx) is fine and can run even the demanding sims well (LongBow2 for example). A new computer isn't going to fix the flawed control in GTA. Joe

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> I'll agree the control leaves ALOT to be desired. If they can't get good >analog routines for the joystick I'll prolly re-consider buying this. Once >you get the hang of the antiquated(sp) controls that do exist it's not that >hard. The faster vehicles though are impossible to control. I've found >the Taxi to be one of the best vehicles so far as it's speed doesn't outdo >the controls available. The Vette, GTO & faster motorcycles are definately >going at ludicrous speed. ;-) Sure hope they get good Analog routines. > Steve

Or at least some good mouse routines. Steve

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>>Just tried to play the Grand Theft Auto demo (3dfx version). This game >>has the worst control problems I've ever seen in a computer game - and >>I mean EVER, including all the way back to when the Commodore-64 was >>the premier *** machine. >>Tried gamepad, analog joystick, T2 wheel (which it couldn't work with >>at all), and keyboard - and the control just sucks horribly. There is >>no analog control at all - with a joystick it doesn't react at all >>until you're nearly at the limit, then your guy spins like a balarina. >>It's even worse when you're "driving", trying to manuevre a car makes >>your average fall-down drunk look like a Mario Andretti by comparison. >>I love the concept, the graphics are cool, but as is the game is just >>a bad joke - I can't believe they even shipped a demo in such bad >>shape. >>Joe >+-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >| And quickly he's subdued | Split_S3 on IRC | >| Thru constant pain and disgrace | Steve-S on TEN | >| This young boy learns their rules | Unforgiven (unfg) on Warbirds | >| Metallica | Dweebs of Death - Cadet | >+-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >| www.concentric.net/~steve-s | Dale Earnhardt #1 | >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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>>Get a new computer and stop whining. If you don't have money for it, save >>some money from buying new games. >This makes no sense whatsoever. My computer (P200 w/3dfx) is fine and >can run even the demanding sims well (LongBow2 for example). A new >computer isn't going to fix the flawed control in GTA. >Joe

Maybe you need to get one of those 10 bucks keyboard from Staples. It runs fine here. Maybe you are just so good that you can't even make a car turn :)

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> > I'll agree the control leaves ALOT to be desired. If they can't get good > >analog routines for the joystick I'll prolly re-consider buying this. Once > >you get the hang of the antiquated(sp) controls that do exist it's not that > >hard. The faster vehicles though are impossible to control. I've found > >the Taxi to be one of the best vehicles so far as it's speed doesn't outdo > >the controls available. The Vette, GTO & faster motorcycles are definately > >going at ludicrous speed. ;-) Sure hope they get good Analog routines. > > Steve > Or at least some good mouse routines. > Steve > >>Just tried to play the Grand Theft Auto demo (3dfx version). This game > >>has the worst control problems I've ever seen in a computer game - and > >>I mean EVER, including all the way back to when the Commodore-64 was > >>the premier *** machine. > >>Tried gamepad, analog joystick, T2 wheel (which it couldn't work with > >>at all), and keyboard - and the control just sucks horribly. There is > >>no analog control at all - with a joystick it doesn't react at all > >>until you're nearly at the limit, then your guy spins like a balarina. > >>It's even worse when you're "driving", trying to manuevre a car makes > >>your average fall-down drunk look like a Mario Andretti by comparison. > >>I love the concept, the graphics are cool, but as is the game is just > >>a bad joke - I can't believe they even shipped a demo in such bad > >>shape. > >>Joe > >+-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > >| And quickly he's subdued | Split_S3 on IRC | > >| Thru constant pain and disgrace | Steve-S on TEN | > >| This young boy learns their rules | Unforgiven (unfg) on Warbirds | > >| Metallica | Dweebs of Death - Cadet | > >+-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > >| www.concentric.net/~steve-s | Dale Earnhardt #1 | > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > | And quickly he's subdued | Split_S3 on IRC | > | Thru constant pain and disgrace | Steve-S on TEN | > | This young boy learns their rules | Unforgiven (unfg) on Warbirds | > | Metallica | Dweebs of Death - Cadet | > +-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > | www.concentric.net/~steve-s | Dale Earnhardt #1 | > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

...on the bright side, has any one ever played a funnier game. Running round the police cars with a cop chasing you, jumping in the squad car and running the cop over.....makes me laugh 8-)

On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:24:22 +0000, Mike Williams >...on the bright side, has any one ever played a funnier game. Running >round the police cars with a cop chasing you, jumping in the squad car >and running the cop over.....makes me laugh 8-) It`s immoral, digusting, and possibly the most hilarious game i`ve ever played:) I feel bad liking it, but can`t get enough. Admittedly the control stinks, and I think there should at least be a choice of controls. (The whole accelerate,brake left and right turn thing being crap. The direction you hit should be the direction you go IMO) The game it excellent fun though. Went gun crazy, and ambulance turned up, shot the driver, then stole the ambulance. I can understand totally why some people want this game banned. --- The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny

Do you have to have 3dfx to play the demo? I saw it somewhere and it said you need 3dfx, but if someone knows different could you please let me know? Thanks

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> On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:24:22 +0000, Mike Williams > >...on the bright side, has any one ever played a funnier game. > Running > >round the police cars with a cop chasing you, jumping in the squad > car > >and running the cop over.....makes me laugh 8-) > It`s immoral, digusting, and possibly the most hilarious game i`ve > ever played:) I feel bad liking it, but can`t get enough. Admittedly > the control stinks, and I think there should at least be a choice of > controls. (The whole accelerate,brake left and right turn thing being > crap. The direction you hit should be the direction you go IMO) The > game it excellent fun though. Went gun crazy, and ambulance turned up, > shot the driver, then stole the ambulance. > I can understand totally why some people want this game banned. > --- > The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny

-- Thank you Marc Johnson

There`s 3 versions. The 8bit, the 24bit (needs Vesa2) and the 3DFX version. --- The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny