Papy CART and ICR2?

Racers, Riddle me this oh race fans. Is is true that the new Papyrus CART I saw at E.B. today is really just ICR2 repackedged? Is there anything new at all? I read on the box that five tracks were enhanced, sounds just like ICR2 to me. It says it comes with some guide and a ten buck rebate, for thirty bucks on the box that makes the manual twenty, any racers out there that could fill me in would be appriciated. My copy of ICR2 came with my Rendition card (no manual) and I'm tempted to pick it up for the info. All the best, Mike Davis -- Michael S. Davis Creative Media-Works Computer/Audio/Video Convergance http://www.creativemedia-works.com "From Creative Minds spring Creative Solutions."

On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:21:07 -0800, "Mike \"LongHorn\" Davis" >Racers, > Riddle me this oh race fans. Is is true that the new Papyrus CART I saw >at E.B. today is really just ICR2 repackedged? Is there anything new at >all? Aside from the convenience of having the most recently patched DOS/Win95/Rendition versions on one CD and the handbook (more below), nope, don't think so. A long time ago (1 1/2 years?) there was going to be a ICR2 handbook published by the same publisher (Sybex maybe?) that did the NASCAR1 handbook. That got shelved. Apparently this is what's being included with CART Racing. It should be worthwhile (YMMV), although I haven't seen the handbook myself (although I'll probably pick it up next time I'm out). As far as the ICR2 *manual*, I don't know if there'll be a paper manual (the original was 160 pages) or a CD-ROM version (as Sierra seems fond of doing). Before you send me UCE, I know what you're thinking... Did he complain to five or six postmasters last month? Now, you must ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do you, punk?

On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:21:07 -0800, "Mike \"LongHorn\" Davis" Hi Mike :) %Racers, % Riddle me this oh race fans. hmm, ok, what's balck & blue, and.. oh, not that riddle.. % Is is true that the new Papyrus CART I saw %at E.B. today is really just ICR2 repackedged? Yes, it's true.. % Is there anything new at %all? No, nothing that you don't either already have, or have access to. % It says it comes with some guide and a ten buck rebate, The 'guide' is written by Steve Smith (ex. Car & Driver editor) and is apparently a very well written book (knowing Steve, it'd have to be!). All told, the thing would be $20 (as you said)... So is the book (and manual in your case) worth $20.. I'd say probably. <AFAIK>, there is no other way to get this guide... Maybe someone who has read the thing (Marc?) will chime in and tell us how the book is? Best, -Rob

The book is exceptional in my humble opinion. I bought Cart for $29.95, but it included a $10 rebate. In my mind I paid $19.95 for the manual I have wanted for a long time. -Paul No pictures in the manual. All text. 206 pages.

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> On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:21:07 -0800, "Mike \"LongHorn\" Davis" > Hi Mike :) > %Racers, > % Riddle me this oh race fans. > hmm, ok, what's balck & blue, and.. oh, not that riddle.. > % Is is true that the new Papyrus CART I saw > %at E.B. today is really just ICR2 repackedged? > Yes, it's true.. > % Is there anything new at > %all? > No, nothing that you don't either already have, or have access to. > % It says it comes with some guide and a ten buck rebate, > The 'guide' is written by Steve Smith (ex. Car & Driver editor) and is > apparently a very well written book (knowing Steve, it'd have to be!). > All told, the thing would be $20 (as you said)... > So is the book (and manual in your case) worth $20.. I'd say > probably. > <AFAIK>, there is no other way to get this guide... Maybe someone who > has read the thing (Marc?) will chime in and tell us how the book is? > Best, > -Rob

CashCow I say. They could have reditionized all the Tracks or added Network play a least. This was suppose to be out a few months after the 3D Blaster was. All for a lousy book. Come on Papy. You could have done better. And for those poor people who do not have a Rendition, 1 less reason to buy when they are standing in the store wondering which to buy, CPR or CART. Save your money.

What...the book? When the blaster was released, Steve Smith (the author of the included book) hadn't hardly put pen to paper (this I know). If you get the chance, have a look at the book before you make such a judgement. I like to think of it as an ICR book - with a companion CD. =) They didn't have to release the book, and they certainly didn't have to give the buyer an extra $10-bucks in return. I think the later was a nice touch. I would presume that if they're "poor", that they probably don't have the required resources to run CPR effectively. As beautiful a sim it is (in most areas), it is a CPU nightmare for the unwary. I say to any new comers to the sport to try both, and make up their own minds. =) Cheers! Marc Marc J. Nelson Sim Racing Online / Sim Racing News / The Sim Project http://members.aol.com/simracing ** Any similarities of a rational and logical mind ** are unintended, and purely coincidental.

In article Is there a review of the book anywhere? Does anyone in the group have it that would be willing to share with us their impressions? What kind of information does it provide, and to what depth? etc, etc... I'm one of those who doesn't have the ponies for CPR (P120) and might consider shelling out $20 for an up to date ICR with a nice, helpful book. -- Prophet and Interpretive Dancer Fixer of broken stuff

Unless someone else posts it, I'll see about getting my hands on one. =) Cheers! Marc Marc J. Nelson Sim Racing Online / Sim Racing News / The Sim Project http://members.aol.com/simracing ** Any similarities of a rational and logical mind ** are unintended, and purely coincidental.

are there patches to the helmet bug in the Rendition version of CART Racing? what else is new in CART Racing? Loren Team SAVATS

Only from DOS. Cheers! Marc Marc J. Nelson Sim Racing Online / Sim Racing News / The Sim Project http://members.aol.com/simracing ** Any similarities of a rational and logical mind ** are unintended, and purely coincidental.

Helmets aren't fixed...The only new item is the handbook by Steve Smith...There is however, a $10 rebate, so a book (with a free CD game) is a good buy. =) Cheers! Marc Marc J. Nelson Sim Racing Online / Sim Racing News / The Sim Project http://members.aol.com/simracing ** Any similarities of a rational and logical mind ** are unintended, and purely coincidental.