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You could get the same setup at the Computer Show held at the LA County Fairgrounds every month for about $3,000 + tax......info only.

On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:12:53 -0500, "Thomas E. Retkowski"

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>I thank everyone who responded to my Gateway questions, and questions >about video cards. They have been very informative. >I have found a Pentium II 300 mhz system locally and I would like input >as soon as possible. The following are what would be included on the >system if I bought it tomorrow. >Pentium 300 mhz processor, AGP motherboard. >64 megs of SDRAM >Monster 3dfx video card >Diamond Stealth PCI video card with 8mb video ram >6.1 Gig HD >24x CD-Rom >Viewsonic PS 17" monitor >AWE 64-bit sound card >speakers >USR 33.6 Internal Modem

So far, so good... :) Maybe if I was you I'd throw in a DVD-ROM or a CD-R/W drive as well.. Hell, if money's no object, get 'em both... With a 6.1 GB HD, what do you want a zip drive for? If you transfer large stuff from home to office, go for it.. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it.. (personally...) ISA is very nearly obsolete.. So I wouldn't worry about that too much.. PCI is the way to go.. Yuch.. You said UO.... I wouldn't bother with UO for a long, long time.. Ben -={ To get my real email address, remove the NOSPAM }=- SPAMMERS!!! Read this!!! No spam for me! Unwanted, unsolicited commmercial email WILL be dealt with.. And, why the hell do you even bother sending the shit if you don't include your own return address?

Sound great. Don't bother with the speakers. Save the $$$$$$$ and go buy a set of Altec Lansing Cubes with the Subwoofer. only 80 0r 90 bucks and they Rock. I have them a love them. Get the floor rumbling and my wife hates them....So that means they do their job. I'm jealous of your system man. Oh yeah???????? 33.6 ? 56k Flex please. Dont' shell out 4 grand for a system with yesterday's modem. Demand one with Flash Memory so it can be upgraded to the new standard whrn it comes out next year. ( I suggest Zoom, USR is good but overpriced as hell, or maybe a Hayes......it's expensive too though. Get an external......(they are always rated higher than the internal counterparts......and you can take them for service and keep your system at home with little or no hassle. Plus you can see the lights on it and know how well its working.......or if it is working at all. Hope this helps you. please visit my quake page,,,,,,,,,, http://www.mindspring.com/~spiderman62/Quake%20Page.htm

You can configure the same setup for around $3400. Probably something similar with Dell.

This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msD965DC32D1ACFEDA6EB20D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The price SUCKS. I work at Best Buy in the Computers and Home Office > dept. We have a Compaq pII 300mhz with DVD, 64 megs RAM What kind of Ram? Mine would have SDRAM, I would bet Best Buys is EDO Ram?Also what kind of Motherboard? I wouldn't think Compaq is in the habit of including the 440 FX AGP board? Who makes the 3dfx card, and mine would not be Voodoo, VooDoo is the lesser of the 3dfx cards. My 17" monitor would be 1600 x 1200 .25 pitch, the Viewsonic PS.

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> You could get the same setup at the Computer Show held at the LA County > Fairgrounds every month for about $3,000 + tax......info only. > > I thank everyone who responded to my Gateway questions, and questions > > about video cards. They have been very informative. > > I have found a Pentium II 300 mhz system locally and I would like input > > as soon as possible. The following are what would be included on the > > system if I bought it tomorrow. > > Pentium 300 mhz processor, AGP motherboard. > > 64 megs of SDRAM > > Monster 3dfx video card > > Diamond Stealth PCI video card with 8mb video ram > > 6.1 Gig HD > > 24x CD-Rom > > Viewsonic PS 17" monitor > > AWE 64-bit sound card > > speakers > > USR 33.6 Internal Modem > > I've calculated this with tax to be approximately $4,077.15. > > What I would like to know, is this a good deal? If so why, if not why > > not? Should I add a SCSI controller and get a zip drive, or hold that > > for later? > > There are only two ISA slots, but thankfully one of the sound cards is > > PCI...do I want something with more ISA slots??? Hit me with your best > > shot, as I do not want to make a mistake on this? > > As for the game I will want to play???? > > GL Quake, if there will be a GL Quake 2 so be it. > > NASCAR 2 in full 3d, yes I know there isn't a 3dfx patch yet. > > Perhaps UO if isn't too costly. > > Thanks

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What is UO?

The price SUCKS. I work at Best Buy in the Computers and Home Office dept. We have a Compaq pII 300mhz with DVD, 64 megs RAM, 7gig (I THINK) HD, 3dfx card, 17 inch monitor for 3650 bucks. Add in the price of a Diamond MONSTER (not Stealth, the monster is faster) which is 199 and it comes to 1850. Thats a savings of 150 bucks. Check Best Buy because we are also getting a 300 by HP (The Hewlett Packard Pavillion 8000 series PCs are fantastic) and an IBM 300. Not only THAT, but you can get an HP 266 with 48megs RAM (no DVD) for 2699 right now, but as soon as the 300 comes in it should drop to 2299 or 2399...check it out. Mike Frazer On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:12:53 -0500, "Thomas E. Retkowski"

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>This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. >--------------msC49D42B1757B1BC6F4AE6490 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I thank everyone who responded to my Gateway questions, and questions >about video cards. They have been very informative. >I have found a Pentium II 300 mhz system locally and I would like input >as soon as possible. The following are what would be included on the >system if I bought it tomorrow. >Pentium 300 mhz processor, AGP motherboard. >64 megs of SDRAM >Monster 3dfx video card >Diamond Stealth PCI video card with 8mb video ram >6.1 Gig HD >24x CD-Rom >Viewsonic PS 17" monitor >AWE 64-bit sound card >speakers >USR 33.6 Internal Modem >I've calculated this with tax to be approximately $4,077.15. >What I would like to know, is this a good deal? If so why, if not why >not? Should I add a SCSI controller and get a zip drive, or hold that >for later? >There are only two ISA slots, but thankfully one of the sound cards is >PCI...do I want something with more ISA slots??? Hit me with your best >shot, as I do not want to make a mistake on this? >As for the game I will want to play???? >GL Quake, if there will be a GL Quake 2 so be it. >NASCAR 2 in full 3d, yes I know there isn't a 3dfx patch yet. >Perhaps UO if isn't too costly. >Thanks >--------------msC49D42B1757B1BC6F4AE6490 >Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" >Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature >MIIQYgYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIQUzCCEE8CAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC >DpswggnlMIIJTqADAgECAhAwYDySct3MLw5hVeogqOyeMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMGIxETAP >BgNVBAcTCEludGVybmV0MRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjE0MDIGA1UECxMrVmVy >aVNpZ24gQ2xhc3MgMSBDQSAtIEluZGl2aWR1YWwgU3Vic2NyaWJlcjAeFw05NzA2MTQwMDAw >MDBaFw05NzEyMTQyMzU5NTlaMIIBBTERMA8GA1UEBxMISW50ZXJuZXQxFzAVBgNVBAoTDlZl >cmlTaWduLCBJbmMuMTQwMgYDVQQLEytWZXJpU2lnbiBDbGFzcyAxIENBIC0gSW5kaXZpZHVh 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Mike Frazer #11 American Airlines/STP/MBNA Ford, IGN Prime Time Motorsports

On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:35:56 -0500, "Thomas E. Retkowski"

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>> Sound great. Don't bother with the speakers. Save the $$$$$$$ and go buy >> a set of Altec Lansing Cubes with the Subwoofer. only 80 0r 90 bucks and >> they Rock. I have them a love them. Get the floor rumbling and my wife >> hates them....So that means they do their job. >> I'm jealous of your system man. >The Altec are an option, and you are right. I listened to them yesterday >and they were awesome.

I have a set of the ACS52's.. I wouldn't trade them for anything out there now, but it is a step down from my last set.. I had my 'puter running through my home system, with a B&W Rock Solid Sat. & Sub "A" speaker set, Bose 401 "B" speaker set, Advent surrounds, and Bose center channel.. Nothing like cranking up the afterburner on JetFighter 3 and hearing it at near real volume.. :) Go for the USR X2 56k external.. For all the reasons above... You betcha.. The only way I would buy a damn outta-the-box system from Worst Buy is if that was the *ONLY* thing available.. I'm assuming you're having someone build your computer for you.. Another advantage to your original setup is that EVERYTHING is interchangable and upgradable.. Every time I work on a client's or friend's computer, it never fails that they have an IBM, Compaq, or Packard Bell.. Go figure.. -={ To get my real email address, remove the NOSPAM }=- SPAMMERS!!! Read this!!! No spam for me! Unwanted, unsolicited commmercial email WILL be dealt with.. And, why the hell do you even bother sending the shit if you don't include your own return address?

>> The price SUCKS. I work at Best Buy in the Computers and Home Office >> dept. We have a Compaq pII 300mhz with DVD, 64 megs RAM >What kind of Ram? Mine would have SDRAM, I would bet Best Buys is EDO >Ram?Also what kind of Motherboard? I wouldn't think Compaq is in the habit >of including the 440 FX AGP board? 440LX is the chipset that supports AGP... Actually, they're both called "Voodoo". "Voodoo Graphics" is the faster one, and it's 3D-only. You have to have a standard 2-D card as well. Manufacturers/brand names: Diamond "Monster 3D", Orchid "Righteous 3D", Canopus "Pure 3D" "Voodoo Rush" is the newer one, which is used in combination 2D/3D cards. It's not as fast as the original "Voodoo Graphics" chipset in some situations (GLQuake is 5-9fps slower). 3Dfx is working on new drivers and BIOS that will address that. Manufacturers/brand names: Hercules "Stingray 128/3D" Intergraph "Intense 3D Voodoo" Jazz "Adrenaline Rush"

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> On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:35:56 -0500, "Thomas E. Retkowski" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >James G. wrote: > >> Sound great. Don't bother with the speakers. Save the $$$$$$$ and go buy > >> a set of Altec Lansing Cubes with the Subwoofer. only 80 0r 90 bucks and > >> they Rock. I have them a love them. Get the floor rumbling and my wife > >> hates them....So that means they do their job. > >> I'm jealous of your system man. > >The Altec are an option, and you are right. I listened to them yesterday > >and they were awesome. > I have a set of the ACS52's.. I wouldn't trade them for anything out > there now, but it is a step down from my last set.. I had my 'puter > running through my home system, with a B&W Rock Solid Sat. & Sub "A" > speaker set, Bose 401 "B" speaker set, Advent surrounds, and Bose > center channel.. Nothing like cranking up the afterburner on > JetFighter 3 and hearing it at near real volume.. :) > >> Oh yeah???????? 33.6 ? 56k Flex please. Dont' shell out 4 grand for > >> a system with yesterday's modem. Demand one with Flash Memory so it can > >> be upgraded to the new standard whrn it comes out next year. ( I suggest > >> Zoom, USR is good but overpriced as hell, or maybe a Hayes......it's > >> expensive too though. > >My options for modems are Smartlink 33.6USR Sportster 33.6 modem w/fax > >USR Sportster X2 56k modem w/fax > >USR Sportster X2 56k modem w/fax external. > Go for the USR X2 56k external.. For all the reasons above... > >> http://www.mindspring.com/~spiderman62/Quake%20Page.htm > Cool page.. > >I've heard crazy talk about getting a Compaq 300 mhz at Best Buy...I know > >how much I hate that place, is my distrust well founded? > You betcha.. The only way I would buy a damn outta-the-box system from > Worst Buy is if that was the *ONLY* thing available.. I'm assuming > you're having someone build your computer for you.. Another advantage > to your original setup is that EVERYTHING is interchangable and > upgradable.. Every time I work on a client's or friend's computer, it > never fails that they have an IBM, Compaq, or Packard Bell.. Go > figure.. > -={ To get my real email address, remove the NOSPAM }=- > SPAMMERS!!! Read this!!! > No spam for me! Unwanted, unsolicited commmercial email > WILL be dealt with.. And, why the hell do you even bother > sending the shit if you don't include your own return address?

He's right. Out of the box has Disadvantages. Unless you really are going to use the software they include. Compaq sucks. Pk Bell is worse still. I have an HP Pavillion and love it though. Lotsa upgrade room on very reliable so far ( 11 months now ). USR Sportster X2 56k modem w/fax external Go with this modem. It has flash memory upgrade in it. It is worth the money just to reduce the Quake lag. Good to see people using the newsgroups for something useful. DOWN WITH SPAM..........................HEY guys copy the **Notice** I have attached to the bottom of this page and use it when posting.Stay Cool. remove the number one from my email to respond or visit my page. http://www.mindspring.com/~spiderman62/ **LEGAL NOTICE** It's this simple.. Any unsolicited commercial e-mail you send me will be subject to a download and archival fee of $200 each, plus a proofreading fee of $100. In general, each unsolicited commercial e-mail to me will cost you $500. Consider this fair warning.. "By US Code Title 47, Section 227 (a)(2)b, a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227b(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227b(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." --------------EE39C419FC9E33A49A1A0E95 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> &nbsp; <P>W. Benjamin Fletcher wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:35:56 -0500, "Thomas E. Retkowski" <BR>&lt;[email hidden]> wrote: <P>>James G. wrote: <BR>> <BR>>> Sound great. Don't bother with the speakers. Save the $$$$$$$ and go buy <BR>>> a set of Altec Lansing Cubes with the Subwoofer. only 80 0r 90 bucks and <BR>>> they Rock. I have them a love them. Get the floor rumbling and my wife <BR>>> hates them....So that means they do their job. <BR>>> I'm jealous of your system man. <BR>> <BR>>The Altec are an option, and you are right.&nbsp; I listened to them yesterday <BR>>and they were awesome. <BR>I have a set of the ACS52's.. I wouldn't trade them for anything out <BR>there now, but it is a step down from my last set.. I had my 'puter <BR>running through my home system, with a B&amp;W Rock Solid Sat. &amp; Sub "A" <BR>speaker set, Bose 401 "B" speaker set, Advent surrounds, and Bose <BR>center channel.. Nothing like cranking up the afterburner on <BR>JetFighter 3 and hearing it at near real volume.. :) <BR>>> <BR>>> Oh yeah????????&nbsp; 33.6 ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 56k Flex please. Dont' shell out 4 grand for <BR>>> a system with yesterday's modem. Demand one with Flash Memory so it can <BR>>> be upgraded to the new standard whrn it comes out next year. ( I suggest <BR>>> Zoom, USR is good but overpriced as hell, or maybe a Hayes......it's <BR>>> expensive too though. <BR>> <BR>>My options for modems are Smartlink 33.6USR Sportster 33.6 modem w/fax <BR>>USR Sportster X2 56k modem w/fax <BR>>USR Sportster X2 56k modem w/fax external. <BR>> <BR>Go for the USR X2 56k external.. For all the reasons above... <BR>>> <BR>>> <A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~spiderman62/Quake%20Page.htm">http://www.mindspring.com/~spiderman62/Quake%20Page.htm</A> <BR>Cool page.. <BR>> <P>>I've heard crazy talk about getting a Compaq 300 mhz at Best Buy...I know <BR>>how much I hate that place, is my distrust well founded? <BR>You betcha.. The only way I would buy a damn outta-the-box system from <BR>Worst Buy is if that was the *ONLY* thing available.. I'm assuming <BR>you're having someone build your computer for you.. Another advantage <BR>to your original setup is that EVERYTHING is interchangable and <BR>upgradable.. Every time I work on a client's or friend's computer, it <BR>never fails that they have an IBM, Compaq, or Packard Bell.. Go <BR>figure.. <BR>> <P>-={ To get my real email address, remove the NOSPAM }=- <P>SPAMMERS!!! Read this!!! <BR>No spam for me! Unwanted, unsolicited commmercial email <BR>WILL be dealt with.. And, why the hell do you even bother <BR>sending the shit if you don't include your own return address?</BLOCKQUOTE> &nbsp; <P>He's right. Out of the box has Disadvantages. Unless you really are going to use the software they include. <BR>Compaq sucks. Pk Bell is worse still. I have an HP Pavillion and love it though. Lotsa upgrade room on very reliable so far ( 11 months now ). <BR>&nbsp; <P>USR Sportster X2 56k modem w/fax external <BR>Go with this modem. It has flash memory upgrade in it. 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The G6-300XL has 64MB SDRAM and the AGP motherboard. Base price $3799, but that's with a 19" monitor, 8.4GB HD, DVD-ROM dirve, and 56kbps modem Once you knock those down to what you're looking at the price drops to about $3300. The G6-300 seems to meet all your specs too, and its only $3099 (it lacks some of the "extras" of the XL). Check it out at http://www.gateway.com/frameset.asp?s=enthus&a=gseries

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> I get the impression it doesn't include the AGP motherboard and the faster > SDRAM. The same faster SDRAM on a DELL costs $400 more. > Correct me if I am wrong? > > >$4,000! Since you were interested in Gateways, check out their web site. > > You can configure the same setup for around $3400. Probably something > > similar with Dell.

Well, AGP really hasn't proven itself, but get it anyway. The next incarnationg of AGP will be a lot better. P2-300 might be overkill, since you're still running on a 66MHz system bus. Get a P2-233 or 266MHz and save some money and wait until a 100MHz bus becomes a standard. You probably only see the difference in benchmarks anyways... Good... Good... Well, i'd get a Diamond Viper 330, but thats just me. Its a lot better in D3D than the 3Dfx and has killer 2d. Based on the Riva128 chipset. What kind? SCSI (2, 3, UW, etc...) or EIDE (ATA33, etc...)? 24x is overkill, but hell get it. Good... AWE64 or AWE64 Gold? Either one would be good. What kind of speakers? Labtec, Microworks, Altec, etc... Good, but look into 56k modems. They may not be great, but they are better than the current crop of 33.6 modem. However, I'd wait until the FCA regulates a standard between 56k technology, if they ever will that is... Just remember, EIDE drives MUST be the C: drive. If you have an EIDE and a SCSI in the same system the EIDE will override anything and become the C: But i wouldn't use SCSI. Ultra ATA 33 (an EIDE spec) is suppose to increase performance a lot, but make sure your hard drive supports it and your motherboard. PCI will be the way to go. Only thing for ISA is modem and possibly a good joystick game card. Joystick ports on soundcards (most anyways) are crap. I don't know about $4000.00 for this system. Look at all of the components in a Computer Shopper and see what it would cost for each individual component.

>or better yet, you could upgrade your mail program. Some prefer to read news using just a UNIX shell, not some bloated Microsoft product or Netscape . Guanyao Cheng -- Guanyao Cheng "And I personally assure you, everybody here, that http://www.uiuc.edu/ph chess, I personally guarantee you I'll /www/gcheng tear it to pieces" -- Garry Kasparov

[snip] Until a standard is forth coming and adopted the decision on a 56K modem has to be determined by who you will connect to. My ISP uses 56k Flex which limits my modem selection. If your ISP uses X2 then you are pretty much stuck with USR/3Com. [snip] - David ----- David Draper Draper Consulting Services http://www.drapercs.com/

[snip] I just received a Dell 300MHz P6 with an AWE64 (can't remember if it's Gold or not), and it takes up an ISA slot. That, in combination with the internal modem, unfortunately used up my ISA slots so now I can't use either my Thrustmaster ACM or Gravis CH3 gamecard. Are you sure that the soundcard is PCI? I elected not to get the Lansing speakers with the Dell, but bought the PCWorks speaker system from Cambridge Soundworks for $100 U.S. They sound excellent, IMO, better than the boombox that I had connected as the speaker setup on my old system. If you're interested, their URL is: [link lost in import] Have fun, Dave ================== Dave Mack

Could anyone please tell me in which way the art of choosing and buying a computer is relevant to the game of Empire. /Sverker -- ``Och vet du vad? Han tycker om sm?kakor ocks?!'' --- Morfars granne ang?ende mosters hund.