CART racing (ICR2)

On 15 Oct 1997 07:22:00 -0700, "Richard A. Ishida" >I've not been here in a while so forgive my ignorance. While browsing >the product release schedule at Avault I saw a listing for CART Racing >(Indy Car Racing II) set for release on 10/23/1997. What is this title? -- snip -- My understanding is that CART Racing is a repackaging of ICR2 with some minor updates and enhancements. Hopefully I've heard incorrectly and it turns out to be a major upgrade. As you've noticed, this is not the same product as CART Precision Racing by Terminal Velocity and Microsoft. That product does look like a major improvement to the CART racing options. Jim Getzen --------------------------------------------- Unofficial CART Precision Racing Headquarters http://members.home.net/getzen/ ---------------------------------------------

I've not been here in a while so forgive my ignorance. While browsing the product release schedule at Avault I saw a listing for CART Racing (Indy Car Racing II) set for release on 10/23/1997. What is this title? Is it an expansion title like the BGN add-on for N2? If so, then what does it include? Are there new cars and tracks? Have the graphics been tweaked in the game? Since it's from Sierra it won't be 3DFX enhanced. :,( However, if new tracks and cars are added, then it may be a cool diversion until CART Precision Racing from MS is released. :-) If you have any info re Cart Racing from Sierra, then please respond. Cordially, Buddha

There are no fixes to the game, this according to Mike Lescault at Papyrus...It contains all the builds of ICR2 (less the Mac ver), and also comes with a Tips Guide written by Steve Smith. Price is about $29.95 US. Cheers! Marc Marc J. Nelson Sim Racing Online / Sim Racing News / The Sim Project http://members.aol.com/simproject

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> >My understanding is that CART Racing is a repackaging of ICR2 with > >some minor updates and enhancements. Hopefully I've heard incorrectly > >and it turns out to be a major upgrade. > There are no fixes to the game, this according to Mike Lescault > at Papyrus...It contains all the builds of ICR2 (less the Mac ver), > and also comes with a Tips Guide written by Steve Smith. Price > is about $29.95 US. > Cheers! > Marc > Marc J. Nelson > Sim Racing Online / Sim Racing News / The Sim Project > http://members.aol.com/simracing

Papyrus is due for a RUDE AWAKENING ... Sounds like their "CART" product is going to be ***next to MS/TV's CART/PR game ... I had to chuckle when I read the Sierra Propaganda Rag's descrpiption of their CART product and they descrbed it as "state of the art" and "beautiful..." This is one time where I am actually GLAD Microsoft is doing something ... Doug

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> > >My understanding is that CART Racing is a repackaging of ICR2 with > > >some minor updates and enhancements. Hopefully I've heard incorrectly > > >and it turns out to be a major upgrade. > > There are no fixes to the game, this according to Mike Lescault > > at Papyrus...It contains all the builds of ICR2 (less the Mac ver), > > and also comes with a Tips Guide written by Steve Smith. Price > > is about $29.95 US. > > Cheers! > > Marc > > Marc J. Nelson > > Sim Racing Online / Sim Racing News / The Sim Project > > http://members.aol.com/simracing > Papyrus is due for a RUDE AWAKENING ... Sounds like their "CART" > product is going to be ***next to MS/TV's CART/PR game ... > I had to chuckle when I read the Sierra Propaganda Rag's descrpiption of > their CART product and they descrbed it as "state of the art" and > "beautiful..."

Perhaps if it had added 3DFX support it would be worth looking at. This looks like re-cycled software to me.

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>> There are no fixes to the game, this according to Mike Lescault >> at Papyrus...It contains all the builds of ICR2 (less the Mac ver), >> and also comes with a Tips Guide written by Steve Smith. Price >> is about $29.95 US. >Papyrus is due for a RUDE AWAKENING ... Sounds like their "CART" >product is going to be ***next to MS/TV's CART/PR game ... >I had to chuckle when I read the Sierra Propaganda Rag's descrpiption of >their CART product and they descrbed it as "state of the art" and >"beautiful..." >This is one time where I am actually GLAD Microsoft is doing something >...

Not to be quite so negative (re: the quality of the product, since it was "state of the art", two years ago :) ), but isn't it an odd coincidence that Papyrus/Sierra has managed to sell it as "ICR2" for almost two years, but now finds it necessary to rename it? CART (the big boys) officially changed their name from IndyCar *long* ago; that can't be the reason. Could it be a cynical ploy to put a new box on the shelf labeled "CART Racing" (with tiny print that says "formerly released as ICR2") just before another unnamed company puts "CART Precision Racing" boxes on the shelf next to it? Boo, hiss, Sierra! I also find it odd that, if the inclusion of the tips book is the big selling point (at least to us who already have ICR2), that it is not mentioned *at all* in the latest Sierra flyer. Does anyone know if this book will be available separately? (ie: for less than $29.95? :) I wouldn't feel so bad if it was. Sad to see the Papyrus IndyCar line go out on such a sour note... At least we're getting some alternatives (and GPL is "just around the corner"). Before you send me UCE, I know what you're thinking... Did he complain to five or six postmasters last month? Now, you must ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do you, punk?

No coincidence, since Sierra/Papyrus' license on the use of the name "IndyCar" expires in December (this year)...Would you have continued to call it ICR2?<g> For whatever reason, the "official" word is that CART Racing is being re-released to show that Papyrus is dedicated to continuing its support for all types of open-wheel racing (see Mike Lescault's quote in News Section - SRN <http://members.aol.com/simnews>). Wouldn't it be funny if a 2_year_old product outsold its newer rival?<g> Only in the CR box I'm afraid... Eh?...Sour note? Not a bad swan_song for a veteran sim. Cheers! Marc - SRN

<...> I think it is because of the IRL/CART split. I think CART wants to get away from the association with the name "Indycar", since a)the Indy500 isn't a race anymore for them, b) the IRL is turning out to be no more than a sort of big-advertising budget IndyLights, and c) the term "IndyCar" sounds a little provincial for the most competitive form of racing on the planet. CART, even without Indy500 is, is growing exponentially in popularity and support and competitiveness- it has discovered that it doesn't need IMS... hence it is time for the name-change to really take effect. Also, since IMS wouldnt' license their track to ICR2, and all the other tracks in ICR2 are in the CART league... it is in Papy's best interest to also lose the Indy name. CART simply has nothing to do with a town or track in Indiana anymore. I guess you could say that TG gambled, and TG lost. I still remember Rick Genter saying there would never be anything further in the ICR line, so I am just glad Papyrus still wants to be connected with it in any way. But I do think Papy will have an *awfully* hard time going head-to-head with Microsoft... after all, if everyone from Big Blue to Corel to Borland to you-name-it has had to sue MS for bullying tactics, then what can you expect? OTOH, I am extremely e***d that MS is putting this out- they don't do things halfway. And they have been making MS FLight Sim, the most popular sim of all time, for as long as their have been graphical PCs. It is sort of shocking, really, that they are going in to this racing area- hell, even F1 must be a little intimidated- imagine the advertising and worldwide distribution MS is going to put behind the CART name? I can't even imagine the implications for the sport. With the new fans coming in from the Playstation Sony hit CART World Series (I'd say the best sim on any console at this time), and this upcoming CART Precision Racing, '98 looks like it is going to be the best year in CARTs history. 19 races, one in Japan... wow!

Having once been a Product Manager, my take on this rebranding and packaging is that it has something to do with Papryus's licensing agreement. Since the division of Indy Car Racing league and the advent of CART, the licensing agreement probably is requiring this change.

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> I've not been here in a while so forgive my ignorance. While browsing > the product release schedule at Avault I saw a listing for CART Racing > (Indy Car Racing II) set for release on 10/23/1997. What is this title? > Is it an expansion title like the BGN add-on for N2? If so, then what > does it include? Are there new cars and tracks? Have the graphics been > tweaked in the game? Since it's from Sierra it won't be 3DFX enhanced. > :,( However, if new tracks and cars are added, then it may be a cool > diversion until CART Precision Racing from MS is released. :-) > If you have any info re Cart Racing from Sierra, then please respond. > Cordially, > Buddha

-- "...because only if you have been in the deepest valley, can you ever know how magnificent it is to be at the highest mountain" - Richard M. Nixon - White House Staff Farewell Speech, August 9, 1974

It is part of the deal between IRL and CART. Neither one can use the term "Indycar" in any association with their series. Thus, the boxes had to be redone and packaged. Brian

Sorry to interupt, but what does C.A.R.T stand for? Thanks, -- Richard Cowl

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> >> Not to be quite so negative (re: the quality of the product, since > >> it was "state of the art", two years ago :) ), but isn't it an odd > >> coincidence that Papyrus/Sierra has managed to sell it as "ICR2" for > >> almost two years, but now finds it necessary to rename it? CART (the > >> big boys) officially changed their name from IndyCar *long* ago; that > >> can't be the reason. Could it be a cynical ploy to put a new box on > >> the shelf labeled "CART Racing" (with tiny print that says "formerly > >> released as ICR2") just before another unnamed company puts "CART > >> Precision Racing" boxes on the shelf next to it? Boo, hiss, Sierra! > >It is part of the deal between IRL and CART. Neither one can use the > >term "Indycar" in any association with their series. Thus, the boxes > >had to be redone and packaged. > >Brian > Sorry to interupt, but what does C.A.R.T stand for? > Thanks, > -- > Richard Cowl

Championship Auto Racing Teams.. -- Dave Otterness

> Sorry to interupt, but what does C.A.R.T stand for? CART = Champioship Auto Racing Teams Jon Van Ginneken