Why won't SIERRA/PAPYRUS support 3dfx ??

What gives with Sierra/Papyrus ?? Why don't they support 3dfx in their Nascar series ?? Why only Rendition ? Am I missing something obvious? Thanks, Doug -- FIN. PROTECTION DURING RETIREMENT: [link lost in import] KEYWORDS: AARP *** daycare living facility Allianz Alzheimer's Disease American Travellers Insurance Company assisted benefits care CNA cognitive impairment Commissioners conditions custodial disability elder estate planning eldercare financial grandparents HCFA health care HIAA home hospital indemnity Insurance Long Term Care LTC Medicaid medical underwriting Medicare NAIC nonforfeiture nurse nursing parents policy retirement senior citizens services skilled care Social spousal benefit support pre-existing reimbur***t respiratory respite restoration retire

Sierra Screamin' 3D=Rendition board Only thing I can figure...

Uh, Rendition is currently talking with EA about rendition-patches. Notice how in NHL '98 that the menu gives you the option to turn "3D acceleration" on and off. They don't call it "3Dfx acceleration". Expect to see Rendition patches or at least D3D patches before the end of the year for EA Sports games.

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> >To me, that's a bunch of baloney -- sure, Papyrus would want to support > >Rendition first and out of the box, but WHY would they want to IGNORE > >the marketshare of 3DFX owners ... ? Other game mfg's support both -- > >EA for example and they sell a 3dfx product ... > >Doug > Have you checked out EA's NHL '98? 3Dfx only. How about Nuclear > Strike? 3Dfx only. Need For speed 2 SE? 3Dfx only. Longbow 2? > 3Dfx only. NBA '98? You get the picture.

>What gives with Sierra/Papyrus ?? Why don't they support 3dfx in their >Nascar series ?? Why only Rendition ? Am I missing something obvious? >Thanks, >Doug Because Sierra SELLS Rendition boards - they don't sell 3Dfx. Nuff said.

> >What gives with Sierra/Papyrus ?? Why don't they support 3dfx in their > >Nascar series ?? Why only Rendition ? Am I missing something obvious? > >Thanks, > >Doug > Because Sierra SELLS Rendition boards - they don't sell 3Dfx. Nuff said. To me, that's a bunch of baloney -- sure, Papyrus would want to support Rendition first and out of the box, but WHY would they want to IGNORE the marketshare of 3DFX owners ... ? Other game mfg's support both -- EA for example and they sell a 3dfx product ... Doug -- FIN. PROTECTION DURING RETIREMENT: [link lost in import] KEYWORDS: AARP *** daycare living facility Allianz Alzheimer's Disease American Travellers Insurance Company assisted benefits care CNA cognitive impairment Commissioners conditions custodial disability elder estate planning eldercare financial grandparents HCFA health care HIAA home hospital indemnity Insurance Long Term Care LTC Medicaid medical underwriting Medicare NAIC nonforfeiture nurse nursing parents policy retirement senior citizens services skilled care Social spousal benefit support pre-existing reimbur***t respiratory respite restoration retire

Have you checked out EA's NHL '98? 3Dfx only. How about Nuclear Strike? 3Dfx only. Need For speed 2 SE? 3Dfx only. Longbow 2? 3Dfx only. NBA '98? You get the picture.

>>To me, that's a bunch of baloney -- sure, Papyrus would want to support >>Rendition first and out of the box, but WHY would they want to IGNORE >>the marketshare of 3DFX owners ... ? Other game mfg's support both -- >>EA for example and they sell a 3dfx product ... Could it be because old idiot boy Ken Williams is stuck with a warehouse full of "screamin' 3d's" that he's still trying to unload. It seems like Sierra was attempting to force the market in that direction by purposely excluding 3D support for other cards. Since Papyrus sold out to Mr. moneybags they only do what he tells em'.....

I heard through the grapevine that Sierra is working on a patch that will support the 3Dfx chipset for Nascar 2. Supposedly it will ship with the N2-Track Pack.

bunch of snips Actually, this is not entirely correct. Canopus makes the rendition card that Sierra sells. Sierra buys them from Canopus with the screamin 3d name on them, and offers them to the public. Canopus as well sells their own, which competes with them as does Soundblaster and Integraph. I suspect when Sierra was writing N2 for rendition, they saw an opportunity to sel the cards as well from Canopus and grabbed it. I have a feeling with public support for 3dfx, it is only a matter of time before they port it to that as well, imho. DonB.

: Have you checked out EA's NHL '98? 3Dfx only. How about Nuclear : Strike? 3Dfx only. Need For speed 2 SE? 3Dfx only. Longbow 2? : 3Dfx only. NBA '98? You get the picture. Nuclear Strike is D3D. 3Dfx only give you a few more graphics options. NFS2SE is not completed. Maybe it is also like Nuclear Strike. But I don't understand why EA's game requires the Glide 2.4 which makes my Voodoo Rush board cannot run in 3Dfx mode. The Glide 2.42 in 3Dfx home page just doesn't works with my rush board. Bernard Shum

: Could it be because old idiot boy Ken Williams is stuck with a warehouse : full of "screamin' 3d's" that he's still trying to unload. It seems like : Sierra was attempting to force the market in that direction by purposely : excluding 3D support for other cards. Since Papyrus sold out to Mr. moneybags : they only do what he tells em'..... I think Sierra should release their game with native Rendition support + D3D. This can narrow the difference in performance with the 3Dfx while can also got a much larger market. D3D games can make those people with crappy 3D cards to upgrade again. Think of that large amount of people having S3 virge and Mystique. Although not all of them will jump to the Rendition, at least helps to unload the Screaming Stock which Sierra got. Bernard Shum

What game *does* say 3Dfx specifically in-game? >Uh, Rendition is currently talking with EA about rendition-patches. Notice >how in NHL '98 that the menu gives you the option to turn "3D acceleration" >on and off. They don't call it "3Dfx acceleration". Expect to see >Rendition patches or at least D3D patches before the end of the year for EA >Sports games.

Sadly, NFS2 SE. And yes that is true to what I beleive. But still, I believe Rendition is a better buy. My question is, why don't just they make a main chip, like a pc and mac difference, with PC's leading. Why can't they just do the same with video card differences between 3d and 2d. Oh well. -- Sincerely, Mark F. Got a site on the Web? Want to promote or Join a Network? Heres your place to go: http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/ Want to learn NASCAR 2 and/or Icr2 Editing? Well, then come here!: http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/mypage/ >What game *does* say 3Dfx specifically in-game? >>Uh, Rendition is currently talking with EA about rendition-patches. Notice >>how in NHL '98 that the menu gives you the option to turn "3D acceleration" >>on and off. They don't call it "3Dfx acceleration". Expect to see >>Rendition patches or at least D3D patches before the end of the year for EA >>Sports games.

Why can't there just be a set standard for 3D acceleration? It seems like to get full capabilities, you need 5 different video cards...sheesh!!!!! Mike Frazer aka Junior

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> Sadly, NFS2 SE. And yes that is true to what I beleive. But still, I >believe Rendition is a better buy. My question is, why don't just they make >a main chip, like a pc and mac difference, with PC's leading. Why can't they >just do the same with video card differences between 3d and 2d. Oh well. >-- > Sincerely, > Mark F. >Got a site on the Web? Want to promote or Join a Network? Heres your place >to go: >http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/ >Want to learn NASCAR 2 and/or Icr2 Editing? Well, then come here!: >http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/mypage/ >>What game *does* say 3Dfx specifically in-game? >>>Uh, Rendition is currently talking with EA about rendition-patches. >Notice >>>how in NHL '98 that the menu gives you the option to turn "3D >acceleration" >>>on and off. They don't call it "3Dfx acceleration". Expect to see >>>Rendition patches or at least D3D patches before the end of the year for >EA >>>Sports games.

Mike Frazer #11 American Airlines/STP/MBNA Ford, IGN Prime Time Motorsports

I meant one that had the capabilities of the Rendition, 3Dfx, D3D, M3D, and Voodoo cards...why not just make a standard card that does what all these do and can be updated with drivers? If they can make a relatively inexpensive 300mhz computer (Compaq 4850, cost: $2999.99 w/o monitor, several other brands in that range too), I know they can get a card to do all that. Mike Frazer >> Why can't there just be a set standard for 3D acceleration? It seems >> like to get full capabilities, you need 5 different video >> cards...sheesh!!!!! >Nope - just one, a 3dfx card ... look at the canopus ?sp? card .. 6mb of >memory. It's the only one you need ... Mike Frazer #11 American Airlines/STP/MBNA Ford, IGN Prime Time Motorsports

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> I meant one that had the capabilities of the Rendition, 3Dfx, D3D, > M3D, and Voodoo cards...why not just make a standard card that does > what all these do and can be updated with drivers? If they can make a > relatively inexpensive 300mhz computer (Compaq 4850, cost: $2999.99 > w/o monitor, several other brands in that range too), I know they can > get a card to do all that. > Mike Frazer > >> Why can't there just be a set standard for 3D acceleration? It seems > >> like to get full capabilities, you need 5 different video > >> cards...sheesh!!!!! > >Nope - just one, a 3dfx card ... look at the canopus ?sp? card .. 6mb of > >memory. It's the only one you need ... > Mike Frazer > #11 American Airlines/STP/MBNA Ford, IGN > Prime Time Motorsports

And who is "they" ?? Who should set the standard ?? That seems to be the crux of the issue ...