AMD K6 200 or Intel 200MMX ????

snip snip It is my understanding the 2200 chip is having anti aliasing conflicts with Icr2. No conflicts with Nascar2 as it did not include anti aliasing in rendition. I hear they are working on a fix for this. Also another note, there is another player coming on with the 3dfx chip. Integraph is coming out with one, evidently that is the reason they are dumping their rendition cards so cheap. While I currently run the rendition verite 1000 chip, and will probably upgrade to the new 2200 when it comes out, the rendition folks better get on the stick, 3dfx obviously is becoming the chip of choice for most gamers. Don Burnette

>I want to buy a new motherboard and CPU but i don't know wich one to >choose. Can't help you there. 3dfx (Orchid Righteous 3D, Diamond Monster 3D, Flash 3D, soon the Canopus Pure3D), is the current champ both in terms of support and speed. Well, certainly in support, but a new player on the block, the Nvidia Riva 128 chip (STB Velocity 128) is nearly as or faster (depending on cpu, and who you talk to). But again, supportwise, the 3dfx Voodoo wins out. I'm waiting on the Canopus as it has an extra 2MB of texture memory. Rumor has it that it is available Sept 23. Price is $179 (retail?). Note these 3dfx cards are 3D only. You can keep your current 2D card to handle the normal chores. Seeing that you posted to RAS, one must mention that the only chip supported by ICR2 and Nascar2 is the Verite chip. Currently the Verite1000, which is decent but decidedly slower than the 3dfx. Verite is about to release their 2200 chip (Hercules Thriller) which is apparently 3dfx fast. But I've read rumors that it doesn't work with ICR2 and N2! Comments?

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> I want to buy a new motherboard and CPU but i don't know wich one to > choose. > I want the best CPU for games like GP2, N2, Janes Longbow & Quake > family. > Can someone help me to choose beetween K6 & 200 MMX? > Also I need some help for a video card. > Which one seems to be the best? > What does 3DFX and rendition cards do? > Thank you!

I have an AMD-K6-233 and I love it! I highly reccomend this chip over either 200mhz option, and it is not much more than the 200 AMD anyway. As for 3D, I prefer my Rendition Intense 3D to any of the 3DFX because I only need one card for both 2d and 3d. As for performance, the only noticable difference is that the 3dfx chips have translucent water. I'd wait and go with a V220 Rendition card unless you want to buy 2 video cards. Another thing to remember, the price difference is $100, plus the cost of a good 2d card. The performance difference is maybe 5%. Mike

Interesting, I don't know the answer to that, I didn't realize you could turn it on and off in Icr2. Course, I mainly run Nascar 2 anyway. Don Burnette

% It is my understanding the 2200 chip is having anti aliasing conflicts with % Icr2. No conflicts with Nascar2 as it did not include anti aliasing in % rendition. I hear they are working on a fix for this. I am curious, since ICR2 has the option to turn-off/on the anti-aliasing, will the 2200 chip run ICR2 with the option turned off? -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

: : : I want to buy a new motherboard and CPU but i don't know wich one to : choose. : I want the best CPU for games like GP2, N2, Janes Longbow & Quake : family. : Can someone help me to choose beetween K6 & 200 MMX? : : : Also I need some help for a video card. : Which one seems to be the best? : : What does 3DFX and rendition cards do? : : : Thank you! Sylan, There are others in this NG that can give you better, first hand comparisons between the K6 and Intels, however there has been much discussion in this group regarding 3Dfx and Rendition cards. Much of the postings have been directed toward who will shake out as the industry standard in reasonably priced 3D accelerator cards. Case in point the Creative Labs Sound Blaster shake out in the early 90's. I am the type of person that likes to find independent comparisons before I make a hardware purchase. If you are interested in info on these types of cards, I found an article in Computer Shopper Mag a while back that gives you a good basic info on the cards so you can make an informed purchase. You can find this article at: http://www.zdnet.com/cshopper/content/9704/cshp0013.html I hope it helps. -Dave

Just a little info on the CPU's you are asking about... I have just finished reading the latest PCmagazine article on "The Best CPU's" It says the Pentiums have way better Floating point calculations than all the other CPU's. Floating Point Utilization is used in more and more Games for 3d graphics.....So IMHO I'm going with The Pentiums....just my thoughts on what I read... Hope that helps....And for Anyone who wants to SLAM me, read the article FIRST...PCmag Sept.23 page 122. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Doug Maer "Somebody's gonna wreck, let it be the other guy!" See ya in the pits!!!!

> I want to buy a new motherboard and CPU but i don't know wich one to > choose. You should add just a little money and go with the K6 233, I know I will :-). AMD K6 seems to run GP2 faster than Intel, according to http://volftp.tin.it/GP2/gp2bench.htm Intel runs Quake faster than AMD K6, but I've read somewhere that there is a Quake version with 3D support and then there would be no difference between the processors. I'm also after a graphics card and I'm currently looking at the Hercules Stingray 128/3D, which is a 2D card with 3Dfx support and 6MB memory. Anyone tried this? An alternative is Matrox Millenium for 2D and Righteous 3D for the 3Dfx, but it will cost you a lot more. Increase the 3D with about a factor 10 in games that support it. /Christer Andersson

I'm not sure that games will use more and more Floating point for the 3D, I think that they will let the graphics card handle the 3D. Quake is often used to test floating point performance but the latest Quake version has 3Dfx support and runs super fast on any processor if there's a 3Dfx card in the computer (I've just checked the Quake tech Q&A). /Christer Andersson

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> Just a little info on the CPU's you are asking about... > I have just finished reading the latest PCmagazine > article on "The Best CPU's" > It says the Pentiums have way better Floating point > calculations than all the other CPU's. > Floating Point Utilization is used in more and more > Games for 3d graphics.....So IMHO I'm going with > The Pentiums....just my thoughts on what I read... > Hope that helps....And for Anyone who wants to > SLAM me, read the article FIRST...PCmag Sept.23 page 122. > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Doug Maer > "Somebody's gonna wreck, let it be the other guy!" > See ya in the pits!!!!