Upcoming F1 sims - winners and losers.

being It DOES have a***pit view. Take a look at: [link lost in import] Mike. -- Voice: +44 (0)113 297 9797 Fax: +44 (0)113 297 9798 Snail: BJSS, Capitol House, Bond Court, Leeds, LS1 5SS, England

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>>Psygnosis F1'97 www.psygnosis.com >>The follow on to the 'F1' for playstation and 3d-accelerated PC's (3dfx >etc) >>Like its predecessor has NO***PIT VIEW - some vague comments about one >being >It DOES have a***pit view. Take a look at: >[link lost in import]

Well the playstation version does. I'm not so sure about the PC version. I'm trying to track down the interview with the F1 product manager from Psygnosis - I read it a couple od days ago but can't track it down! I thought it stated that there wouldn't be a***pit unless they had time to add one?! Of course I could be horrible wrong. Still - no wing mirrors. Rob

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>Microprose GP2'97 / GP3 www.microprose.com >Will there, won't there, who knows ? PC-GAMER say 'yes!' but only microprose >knows for real and they wont confirm or deny the existance of any patch, update >or new version of the current champion of F1 sims. GP2, despite lacking variable >weather and any real multiplayer support, is way ahead in terms of driving >experience. IF a GP2'97/GP3 is happening then it is a safe bet that it will have >WEATHER, MultiPlayer, improved track models, 3D hardware support. >IF this happens then all the other sims, apart from Ubisoft F1 perhaps, can kiss >their exhaust pipes goodbye.

An intersting point, since it also applies to ICR2 and Nascar, the only other wto real racing sims. Why are these companies too stupid to realize they could clean up in the 3dfx racing sim market? Joe

It will support Rendition...no plans at this time to support 3Dfx

I don't believe it! Another racing sim thats Rendition only :( What is it with racing sims and 3dfx!? Rob

>I don't believe it! Another racing sim thats Rendition only :( >What is it with racing sims and 3dfx!? Apparently racing sim developers have an aversion to money. I'll be glad to help out by making sure they get none of mine! Joe

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:05:58 +0100, Thomas JS Brown

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>> Visiware - Starting Grid (www.visiware.com): >> A long time comming. Scenery look very pretty. Cars look a bit odd. Lots of >> blurb on this one, lots of talk about how good the graphics engine is and how >> detailed the race model/AI are. DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D HARDWARE ACCELERATION. This >> is the 'dark horse' of the bunch. >It will support Rendition...no plans at this time to support 3Dfx

I heard it wont....maybe as a patch but not out of the box..then again i could be wrong, the game has been delayed for so long maybe they had time to finish it (rendition support) but i heard the help from rendition's techs was horrible and so they dropped it.. who knows, i sure hope it will support the rendition or atl east direct3d!

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> Microprose GP2'97 / GP3 www.microprose.com > Will there, won't there, who knows ? PC-GAMER say 'yes!' but only microprose > knows for real and they wont confirm or deny the existance of any patch, update > or new version of the current champion of F1 sims. GP2, despite lacking variable > weather and any real multiplayer support, is way ahead in terms of driving > experience. IF a GP2'97/GP3 is happening then it is a safe bet that it will have > WEATHER, MultiPlayer, improved track models, 3D hardware support. > IF this happens then all the other sims, apart from Ubisoft F1 perhaps, can kiss > their exhaust pipes goodbye.

No, thanks! I will continue to buy flightsims from MicroProse, but they will not sell me the patch for GP2... l8er ronny

<...> Hmmm... the upcoming playstation version supposedly is going to have mirrors and***pit- according to some UK playstation mag I happened across 2 weeks ago or so. They'd be crazy not to put mirrors in it- they must have figured out by now that this was a major oversight- 1/2 of racing is in watching the mirrors.***pit actually wasn't such a big issue to me- but let's face it, they could gain some framerate by filling half the screen with a pretend***pit, and it would enhance the sim. The article did say they were emphasizing the *sim* attributes of the next release... Agreed. To bad the AI was beyond bad- essentially nonexistant, at least in comparison with Papy or Crammond's. If Crammond is listening- PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make a CART sim! It is completely obvious that Papy has dropped the ball on this one; they gave up on Indycar. I've said it before- I don't know why CART doesn't just *PAY* somebody to make a 1st class sim. I don't think they realize the power of sims. I mean, people in Finland, Japan, AUstralia are NASCAR fans- why? Because of a computer game! This year NASCAR goes to Japan. Lord knows I would never have discovered Formula One had it not been for GP2- it just isn't popular in the USA. My sister and I got up at 3:30 in the morning and met with two friends to watch Spa last week! None of us would have even known or cared about it had it not been for That is the power of sims. Racing is the only sport I can think of that you can actually see everything from the athletes point of view, make the same decisions as the althete- think about it! That is what makes it so engaging. So engaging I think that in 20 years lots of people will have personal enclosed simulators in their houses to simulate 1st person games (racing perhaps foremost), like people have hot-tubs now. I can't wait!

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> [snip] > > Microprose GP2'97 / GP3 www.microprose.com > > Will there, won't there, who knows ? PC-GAMER say 'yes!' but only microprose > > knows for real and they wont confirm or deny the existance of any patch, update > > or new version of the current champion of F1 sims. GP2, despite lacking variable > > weather and any real multiplayer support, is way ahead in terms of driving > > experience. IF a GP2'97/GP3 is happening then it is a safe bet that it will have > > WEATHER, MultiPlayer, improved track models, 3D hardware support. > > IF this happens then all the other sims, apart from Ubisoft F1 perhaps, can kiss > > their exhaust pipes goodbye. > No, thanks! I will continue to buy flightsims from MicroProse, but they > will not > sell me the patch for GP2...

I used to think this way too. I have started playing GP2 again. Man I'll tell you, it gives the best sense of driving a road course that I have seen. You must be in the same gear at the same part of the track as the real F1 cars & most everything else is accurate. Apart from how the framerate vs CPU occupancy is done I really enjoy GP2. If GP3 has 3DFX support, that alone will probably be enough for me to get the game. Of course I think I ought to hold out for weather too :-) I did like the way GP1 did it. -- Header address intentionaly scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

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>I've said it before- I don't know why CART doesn't just *PAY* somebody >to make a 1st class sim. I don't think they realize the power of sims. >I mean, people in Finland, Japan, AUstralia are NASCAR fans- why? >Because of a computer game! This year NASCAR goes to Japan. Lord knows >I would never have discovered Formula One had it not been for GP2- it >just isn't popular in the USA. My sister and I got up at 3:30 in the >morning and met with two friends to watch Spa last week! None of us

I beg to differ. Australians dont really like NASCAR racing (real life) that much. We would much rather play the Pits TCC or GP2/Psygnosis' F1 or Power F1 than straight Nascar 2. I could guess thatthe reason behind good sales of Nascar 2 in this country is because of the availbility of The Pits' Super Touring cars, and the also available V8Supercar kits for N2.

:I've said it before- I don't know why CART doesn't just *PAY* somebody :to make a 1st class sim. I don't think they realize the power of sims. :I mean, people in Finland, Japan, AUstralia are NASCAR fans- why? :Because of a computer game! This year NASCAR goes to Japan. Lord knows Since you took Finland as one of the examples of where there are lots of Nascar fans, it doesn't appear to be so to me. Sure you can occasionally see Nascar in e.g. Eurosport channel, but Nascar 2 (the game) never was a heavy seller here, it appears to me it has been discount bin software for quite some time here already (in fact, I think I saw it in some discount bins after a few weeks of its launch here, months ago). Games like F1GP, F1GP2 and Screamer (a rally game) have been much more successful games here, probably because there even are Finnish rally and F1 drivers with moderate or even good success (hey, does anyone still remember how Keijo Rosberg won the F1 world championships in the eighties? ;-)). :I would never have discovered Formula One had it not been for GP2- it :just isn't popular in the USA. My sister and I got up at 3:30 in the :morning and met with two friends to watch Spa last week! None of us The situation for Nascar is pretty much the same in Finland (and probably the rest of Europe).

:Games like F1GP, F1GP2 and Screamer (a rally game) have been much :more successful games here, probably because there even are Finnish Naturally, I meant Screamer 2, not the original Screamer. Screamer 2 is a Sega Rally rip-off, while the original Screamer was a Ridge Racer rip-off.