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Rendition Cards over Matrox Mystique????

16 posts by 12 people · 19 Aug 1997 - 01 Sep 1997

Jspencer 19 Aug 1997#375923
Rendition is really the only good graphics card for Sim Racers.Nearly all of the sims or ONLY Rendition Ready and if Im correct,SODA Off Road is going to be Rendition Ready only.If your going to buy a Rendition card,You may want to wait for the Rendition V2200.Its alot faster than a Voodoo(Monster 3D)and can run all the old Rendition Ready titles.Just go to www.rendition.com to find out more. Brian Kochmit -Team SAVATS
jim butt 19 Aug 1997#375924
What, if any, of an improvement can you get with a Rendition Card over a 2mb Mystique Video card? Or how about a Monster 3D card?
Ksw 20 Aug 1997#376033
Rendition Cards utilize a different processor to process the video signal called a "Verite" chipset. I would highly reccomend the Intergraph Intense 3d card available factory direct from Intergraph (www.intergraph.com) - Look for the Intense 3D link from their homepage. Please keep in mind that the Intense 3D comes with 4 Megs of Ram, and at $149.00 it's a steal. No, I don't work for Intergraph, I'm just a happy customer! Kevin Beware the Red Bowtie
Yup! And once the V2200 cards come out, I'm changing my hardware yet again! :-) -- Hena Hakkanen IGN '97: #61 Duplo Chevy >Switched to a screamin' 3-d from a 4 meg mystique and it was well worth >it...mystique now gathering dust in closet...Mark Junk >> What, if any, of an improvement can you get with a Rendition Card over a >> 2mb Mystique Video card? Or how about a Monster 3D card?
Mark Jun 20 Aug 1997#376035
Switched to a screamin' 3-d from a 4 meg mystique and it was well worth it...mystique now gathering dust in closet...Mark Junk
maxwel 22 Aug 1997#376132
snip 3DFX > chip,and less expensive. However, herein lies the difficulty, while there are seems to me the hot setup is gonna be the rendition 2200 card feading in to the canopus 3DFX w/ 6 meg. that way you can have the best of both worlds! i have seen guys running the 4meg 3DFX with the rendition 1000 right now. also if the rendition 2200 is gonna be as good as they say then youll see lots of titles ported to it as well as the 3DFX. take tomb raider for example.i have the rendition card myself because the only thing i play a lot of is nascar and nascar2 and am quite happy with it over all. but if you play lots of different games then i think that the 3DFX card would be a better choice. maxwell
JH 22 Aug 1997#376133
Quoted text (11 lines)>: What, if any, of an improvement can you get with a Rendition Card over a >: 2mb Mystique Video card? Or how about a Monster 3D card? >This is really a difficult call. Certainly if a game supports Rendition >then it will be heads and tails faster than a Mystique for 3D. The new >Rendition V2200, which is due out soon is about as fast as the 3DFX chip, >and less expensive. However, herein lies the difficulty, while there are >no 3DFX versions of Indycar 2 and Nascar 2 (unless I'm mistaken) 3DFX >still remains a better option overall, particulary the cards coming out by >Intergraph (distributed by EA) and Canopus (both former Rendition card >manufacturers).
If you can afford it, having the existing rendition card (mine's the Intergraph version) along with the 3DFX add-on card works just great. It is expensive but you get the best of both worlds. The 3dfx takes over in windows-directx-gl modes while the rendition card handles regular SVGA,VGA and rendition accelerated products (namely ICR2 and Nascar2). I have not had any conflicts, they get along just fine. Jeff
Eric Busch 25 Aug 1997#376245
The current Rendition cards offer a significant improvment in 3D over the Mystique. Direct3D games will not run much faster, but they will look substantially better because of the Rendition's support of bi-linear filtering. You also will have more Rendition native titles than you will Mystique native ones. On the 2D end you'll really not see much of a difference for SVGA games. Mode13 VGA (Doom uses this mode) will be significantly slower, and Windows GUI speed will be a little slower but still fast enough for most users. However, I really can't recommend buying one of these cards as the second generation V2200 based cards are due out very shortly. They offer much better all around performance (early reports say the cards outperform the Voodoo's) and are no more expensive than the original V1000 cards (though the 8MB versions will be more). They also add TV outputs if you're into that kinda thing. -- http://ebusch.akorn.net
Eric: Wait till you see the 3D-RAGE IV chipset from ATI. Working there, I've seen the early versions in action. VERY impressive. Blow the Matrox away for speed and effects. It will also add a TV output/full motion VidCap/still VidCap and a growing list of titles. One question: Will Windows-Based (WIN95 native mode) games require manufacturer specific support? My knowledge (granted limited as I work in telecom) would say Direct3D would make it virtually device-indepandant as it would be up to the OS to determine what effects/quality would be displayed. JW
Quoted text (21 lines)> The current Rendition cards offer a significant improvment in 3D over the > Mystique. Direct3D games will not run much faster, but they will look > substantially better because of the Rendition's support of bi-linear > filtering. You also will have more Rendition native titles than you will > Mystique native ones. On the 2D end you'll really not see much of a > difference for SVGA games. Mode13 VGA (Doom uses this mode) will be > significantly slower, and Windows GUI speed will be a little slower but > still fast enough for most users. However, I really can't recommend buying > one of these cards as the second generation V2200 based cards are due out > very shortly. They offer much better all around performance (early reports > say the cards outperform the Voodoo's) and are no more expensive than > -- > http://ebusch.akorn.net > >What, if any, of an improvement can you get with a Rendition Card over a > >2mb Mystique Video card? Or how about a Monster 3D card?
Eric Busch 26 Aug 1997#376276
It looks to have good features, but early benchmarks I've seen suggest it's still not on the same level for 3D as compared to the Voodoo and V2200 cards. Of course these are earlyu reports, and things may very well change. Still, unlike the Rendition and Voodoo cards, I highly doubt you'll see any non-bundled games ported to the ATI card though... Exactly. The idea is to use a common API (so far it's either Direct3D or OpenGL) so that the largest number of cards can be supported. -- http://ebusch.akorn.net
Quoted text (11 lines)> Unfortunately, my priority list has that darn N2 on top/bottom and > middle. Anything non-Rendition is not even a contender at the > moment. Keyword: MOMENT... this video market seems change > with the wind! Anyway, if it weren't for Papyrus Sims I'd still be on > a 286 machine. It' a gosh darn *** to get me to buy > hardware. I love it! > Mike Radler > Hawaii Ace League [link lost in import]
My sentiments EXACTLY!! If Papyrus had never produced "Indianapolis 500" I would have saved a fortune (but then....would I be as contented? :-)) -- Bruce. ----------------------------------------- From the volume Note-worthy Quotations: "Yoh!" Sylvester Stallone. -----------------------------------------
UnserFan1 28 Aug 1997#376350
FASTER, my friend, FASTER AND LESS EXPENSIVE! Rendition fan, Loren Team SAVATS/MIRacing
>If you can afford it, having the existing rendition card (mine's the >Intergraph version) along with the 3DFX add-on card works just great. >It is expensive but you get the best of both worlds. The 3dfx takes >over in windows-directx-gl modes while the rendition card handles >regular SVGA,VGA and rendition accelerated products (namely ICR2 and >Nascar2). I have not had any conflicts, they get along just fine. What is the wiring like? Two displays? You manually switch the display from one port to the other? The boards connect to one another? The boards connect via the PCI bus? -- Best Wishes!!! Robert Huggins Raleigh, NC
Eric Busch 01 Sep 1997#376599
Very true, but then we'd all could be running on P2-300's with 128MB RAM, 21-inch flat panel monitors, UW-SCSI drives, etc... Not every one can afford to tie up $350+ in their video card, and this is exactly the type of person Rendition has in mind. They've never aimed to directly compete with the 3Dfx cards. Instead they aim their products at the middle of the road users who want an inexpensive all in one solution. -- http://ebusch.akorn.net

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