"History" of rec.autos.simulators from Google

Fun : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about Check out the peak circa summer of 2000. Just before the proliferation of web-boards. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BqPpc.1180$[email hidden]...

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> Fun : > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about > > > Check out the peak circa summer of 2000. Just before the proliferation of > web-boards. >

Same problems as ever. In Dec 1993 I was complaining about framerate problems with ICR2, bemoaning the artificial steering help in World Circuit, and starting to solder together my own wheel because nothing decent existed on the market... Stephen

1993 ?!? ICR2 didn't come out until 1995, and GP2 in 1996. I recall getting my first Pentium based PC, a 133mhz cutting edge "monster" that cost $5,000 US as a Christmas present to myself at the end of 1995, and buying a Thrustmaster T2 wheel and those two games. It was a few months after that, sometime in early 1996 that I first came upon this newsgroup. "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40a88f96$[email hidden]...

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> > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BqPpc.1180$[email hidden]... > > Fun : > > > > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about > > > > > > Check out the peak circa summer of 2000. Just before the proliferation

of > > web-boards. > > > > Same problems as ever. In Dec 1993 I was complaining about framerate > problems with ICR2, bemoaning the artificial steering help in WorldCircuit, > and starting to solder together my own wheel because nothing decentexisted > on the market... > > Stephen > >

On Sun, 16 May 2004 15:38:15 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Fun : > > >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about > > >Check out the peak circa summer of 2000. Just before the proliferation of >web-boards.

Amazing. What happened in the summer of 2000 to cause 12,000 posts a month? Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now). I'm going to check out how some of the other groupsI frequent have done over the years... John DiFool

RAS didnt exist in 93. In fact ICR1 was in beta at the end of 93' so I doubt you were running ICR2 quite yet :) This could have happened in late 95 though. Mitch "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40a88f96$[email hidden]... >

>>Amazing. What happened in the summer of 2000 to cause 12,000posts a month? Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now).<< Just a guess, but wasn't that about the time that the West Brothers first came to the forefront? Mike

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> On Sun, 16 May 2004 15:38:15 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Fun : > > > > > >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about > > > > > >Check out the peak circa summer of 2000. Just before the proliferation of > >web-boards. > > Amazing. What happened in the summer of 2000 to cause 12,000 > posts a month? Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged > back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now). > > I'm going to check out how some of the other groupsI frequent > have done over the years... > > John DiFool

Perusing the samples, it looks like there were a number of controversies at full boil - GP3 against the upstart F1-2000, NH against Nascar4, and GPLRank had started and GPL was gaining interest (I think the first GPL graphics improvements were coming out then too). Kendt

>"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote > Amazing. What happened in the summer of 2000 to cause 12,000 > posts a month? Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged > back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now). Like I wrote, it's simply the normal Internet growth, before the appearence of web boards. When they appeared (about around that time in 2000-01), most NG on the Usenet starts to go downwards in # of posts. Soccer moms at home, brat kids on their college PC, they all prefer web boards and their cheesiness. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bh1qc.14000$qA.1785581@attbi_s51... > 1993 ?!? > > ICR2 didn't come out until 1995, and GP2 in 1996. > > I recall getting my first Pentium based PC, a 133mhz cutting edge"monster" > that cost $5,000 US as a Christmas present to myself at the end of 1995,and > buying a Thrustmaster T2 wheel and those two games. > > It was a few months after that, sometime in early 1996 that I first came > upon this newsgroup. > Of course I meant ICR1. In December 1993, GP1 (World Circuit) and ICR1 were very much a topic in the newly-formed newsgroup. I remember transferring my GP1 discussions from r.a.s.f1 over to the new hangout... Stephen

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> > "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:40a88f96$[email hidden]... > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BqPpc.1180$[email hidden]... > > > Fun : > > > > > > > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about > > > > > > > > > Check out the peak circa summer of 2000. Just before the

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> of > > > web-boards. > > > > > > > Same problems as ever. In Dec 1993 I was complaining about framerate > > problems with ICR2, bemoaning the artificial steering help in World > Circuit, > > and starting to solder together my own wheel because nothing decent > existed > > on the market... > > > > Stephen > >

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ju5qc.49917$[email hidden]...

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> RAS didnt exist in 93. In fact ICR1 was in beta at the end of 93' so I > doubt you were running ICR2 quite yet :) > > This could have happened in late 95 though. > > Mitch >

My typo. I meant ICR1, and it was definitely commercial in late '93 (as was GP1). Stephen p.s. (r.a.s. was formed in December 1993, and I moved there from r.a.s.f1 to chat about GP1)

Speaking of the history of this joint, I hung out here a lot back in the late 90s. The most controversial period I remember was upon the release of Cart Precision (man, that word still makes me laugh) Racing. (LOL-makes me laugh just thinking about it). Talk about shit hitting the fan! Never has so much hype been about a sim that turned out to be alpha rubbish! It was this event that got simmers to be extremely pessimistic about all sim releases since - and normally for good reason. So many expected so much. Some were convinced - some were outraged that some were convinced. Shit was flying in all directions, threats of legal action (slander) and generally the internets version of a WWF Smackdown! Good stuff! Can any of the regs point to a more stirring time? Probably the release of GPL was the exact opposite. "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 16 May 2004 15:38:15 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Fun : > > > > > >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.simulators/about > > > > > >Check out the peak circa summer of 2000. Just before the proliferation

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> >web-boards. > > Amazing. What happened in the summer of 2000 to cause 12,000 > posts a month? Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged > back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now). > > I'm going to check out how some of the other groupsI frequent > have done over the years... > > John DiFool >

"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> Speaking of the history of this joint, I hung out here a lot back in the > late 90s. The most controversial period I remember was upon the release of > Cart Precision (man, that word still makes me laugh) Racing. (LOL-makes me > laugh just thinking about it). Talk about shit hitting the fan! Never has so > much hype been about a sim that turned out to be alpha rubbish! > > It was this event that got simmers to be extremely pessimistic about all > sim releases since - and normally for good reason. So many expected so much. > Some were convinced - some were outraged that some were convinced. Shit was > flying in all directions, threats of legal action (slander) and generally > the internets version of a WWF Smackdown! Good stuff! > > Can any of the regs point to a more stirring time? Probably the release > of GPL was the exact opposite.

Or the release of Brands Hatch for GPL, the first addon track. That CART Precision Racing incident was really something indeed. It was also probably the last time any developers were posting to this newsgroup. That game was a total waste of a good CART licence, but it had the first (and only I think) attempt to make a race engineer into the game. It's too bad that you have to be a setup guru to go really fast. No professional racing driver has to go through that. -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

>"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote > Speaking of the history of this joint, I hung out here a lot back inthe > late 90s. The most controversial period I remember was upon the release of > Cart Precision (man, that word still makes me laugh) Racing. (LOL-makes me > laugh just thinking about it). Talk about shit hitting the fan! Never hasso > much hype been about a sim that turned out to be alpha rubbish! You always knew that when either of those two Microsoft guys posted in a thread, it would be entertaining. > Can any of the regs point to a more stirring time? Probably therelease > of GPL was the exact opposite. <no comments> ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I think 2/3'rds of them simply state "It ain't no GPL". That may have also been that dreadful period where MHO Gaming was down. :) -Larry "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >>Amazing. What happened in the summer of 2000 to cause 12,000 > posts a month? Now we get about 1/4 of the posts we averaged > back then (~6000 in more normal months vs. 1500 now).<< > > Just a guess, but wasn't that about the time that the West Brothers firstcame > to the forefront? > > Mike

"Olav Malmin" wrote: > That CART Precision Racing incident was really something indeed. It > was also probably the last time any developers were posting to this > newsgroup. Randy Cassidy posted a fair bit after that, plus more recently Ilari Lehtinen from Bugbear.

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> "Olav Malmin" wrote: > > > That CART Precision Racing incident was really something indeed. It > > was also probably the last time any developers were posting to this > > newsgroup. > > Randy Cassidy posted a fair bit after that, plus more recently Ilari > Lehtinen from Bugbear. >

Ah forgot that. But R.C. was our friend :-) -- Olav Malmin remove .spam when replying

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:26:59 +1000, "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Can any of the regs point to a more stirring time? GPaL ring a bell anyone ... Jack Rambo where are you? http://tinyurl.com/2eerq ;-)

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> On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:26:59 +1000, "Byron Forbes" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Can any of the regs point to a more stirring time? > > GPaL ring a bell anyone ... Jack Rambo where are you? > http://tinyurl.com/2eerq > > ;-)

It would be good to see JR around again, he provided me with some of my first "organized" racing with GPL on his server, and I learned a lot about simracing in general.....it still bums me out a bit that people only remember Jack for GPaL not coming out, instead of the servers he ran for us. GPal was due for release right around the time that WinVROC came out, which effectively made GPaL obsolete before release, as I seem to recall. Maybe some of the other historians know more, Ed

"Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:9ksvc.35888$[email hidden]:

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> It would be good to see JR around again, he provided me with some of > my first "organized" racing with GPL on his server, and I learned a > lot about simracing in general.....it still bums me out a bit that > people only remember Jack for GPaL not coming out, instead of the > servers he ran for us. GPal was due for release right around the time > that WinVROC came out, which effectively made GPaL obsolete before > release, as I seem to recall. Maybe some of the other historians know > more, Ed >

Wasn't ......naw...I won't go there.. lol!!!!!!! dave henrie

I totally agree Ed. Jack may have hyped Gpal a bit but he did many other things for the community that many others havent. I ran in his NTT series and had a bunch of fun even though I was usually last. Mitch "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9ksvc.35888$[email hidden]... > It would be good to see JR around again, he provided me with some of my > first "organized" racing with GPL on his server, and I learned a lot about > simracing in general.....it still bums me out a bit that people only > remember Jack for GPaL not coming out, instead of the servers he ran forus. > GPal was due for release right around the time that WinVROC came out,which > effectively made GPaL obsolete before release, as I seem to recall. Maybe > some of the other historians know more, > Ed > >

PS. The installer is coming to a town near you very soon ;-) MS "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:K%vvc.64126$[email hidden]...

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> I totally agree Ed. Jack may have hyped Gpal a bit but he did many other > things for the community that many others havent. I ran in his NTT series > and had a bunch of fun even though I was usually last. > > Mitch > > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9ksvc.35888$[email hidden]... > > It would be good to see JR around again, he provided me with some of my > > first "organized" racing with GPL on his server, and I learned a lot

about > > simracing in general.....it still bums me out a bit that people only > > remember Jack for GPaL not coming out, instead of the servers he ran for > us. > > GPal was due for release right around the time that WinVROC came out, > which > > effectively made GPaL obsolete before release, as I seem to recall.Maybe > > some of the other historians know more, > > Ed > > > > > >